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Why is the Lord sitting at the right hand?
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 Answer this question, and I'll will give my answer in a week.

 Why is the lord sitting at the right hand?

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Re: Why is the Lord sitting at the right hand?
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 Answer this question, and I'll will give my answer in a week.

 Why is the lord sitting at the right hand?

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Re: Why is the Lord sitting at the right hand?
« Reply #2 on: Thu May 17, 2012 - 13:45:23 »


 Not everyone have the same answer. Here is one, but this is not my answer. The Lord sit at the right hand because it was granted by the Father to rule in His stead. All power was given to Him, in heaven and on earth. Please give an answer. Why does He sit at the right hane.

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Hebrews 1:13  . . Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

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Re: Why is the Lord sitting at the right hand?
« Reply #4 on: Fri May 18, 2012 - 09:01:26 »


 Answer this question, and I'll will give my answer in a week.

 Why is the lord sitting at the right hand?

Harry ::smile::








Because he is the Word of God whom the Fathers uses to create all things. He IS the right hand of God!!


When God spoke "Let there be light" that Light was His Word Jesus whom is the right hand of God, for the sun and moon were created by the Word on the 4th day.

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
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John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
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Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.KJV

How does God create? By and with His Word!
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Re: Why is the Lord sitting at the right hand?
« Reply #5 on: Fri May 18, 2012 - 10:01:29 »
 I will give my answer now, instead of waiing one week. Jesus said the Father and he are one. The Father is in Him, and He in the Father. One as Soul and Body or Divine and Human in Jesus Christ . In John 14:9,He that hath seen Me hath seen the Father. Isaiah 9:6 Unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given,the Everlasting Father. Jesus was call the Everlasting Father.

To sit at the right hand does not mean two persons sitting together. It means God the Creator's Divine Ominpotence through the Human, which He assumed in the world, and gave Himself the name Jesus Christ. To assume a Human is to become a person. God the Creator became Man. By means of this He in first and the last. By means of this He overthrew and subjugated hell. By means of this He restored order in heaven By means of this He redeem both angels and men, and will continue forever. The Human Form is the right hand of God

"Let us made man" means the Lord God regenerates us through his angels. He was not speaking to a son and a spirit.The book of Genesis is about the regeneration of man's soul, not about the creation of the natural world, for it was here billions of years before the book of Genesis was written.The angels are helping and leading us to heaven. We must want to be on the right path. I deny the trinity at creation. One God created this world, and the same God became a Divine Person.Born of the virgin Mary.

These saying of God deny the trinity at creation
Isaiah 42:8
I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. One God had said this. 

Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath e:stablished it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
 
Isaiah 45:5
I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
                                     
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Re: Why is the Lord sitting at the right hand?
« Reply #6 on: Fri May 18, 2012 - 10:56:02 »
I will give my answer now, instead of waiing one week. Jesus said the Father and he are one. The Father is in Him, and He in the Father. One as Soul and Body or Divine and Human in Jesus Christ . In John 14:9,He that hath seen Me hath seen the Father. Isaiah 9:6 Unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given,the Everlasting Father. Jesus was call the Everlasting Father.

To sit at the right hand does not mean two persons sitting together. It means God the Creator's Divine Ominpotence through the Human, which He assumed in the world, and gave Himself the name Jesus Christ. To assume a Human is to become a person. God the Creator became Man. By means of He in first and the last. By means of this He overthrew and subjugated hell. By means of this He restored order in heaven By means of this He redeem both angels and men, and will continue forever.

"Let us made man" means the Lord God regenerates us through his angels. He was not speaking to a son and a spirit.The book of Genesis is about the regeneration of man's soul, not about the creation of the natural world, for it was here billions of years before the book of Genesis was written.The angels are helping and leading us to heaven. We must want to be on the right path. I deny the trinity at creation. One God created this world, and the same God became a Divine Person.Born of the virgin Mary.

These saying of God deny the trinity at creation
Isaiah 42:8
I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. One God had said this.  

Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath e:stablished it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
 
Isaiah 45:5
I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
                                      
Harry ::smile::





Aww, you dissapoint me. I thought the Lord had finally revealed himself to you. There is only ONE GOD,yet Jesus is not the Father, but His Word in which the Father creates all things. He also is the Seed of God that creates the good sons for harvest who become as angels. Don't forget, the Word became flesh and walked among us and you can always tell the character of a man by his word.

Heb 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.
KJV

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
KJV

Luke 8:11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.
KJV

1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
KJV

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.KJV
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Re: Why is the Lord sitting at the right hand?
« Reply #7 on: Fri May 18, 2012 - 11:23:37 »


Jesus sat down because His work was finished.



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Re: Why is the Lord sitting at the right hand?
« Reply #8 on: Sat May 19, 2012 - 14:54:23 »
Jehovah God descended and assumed a Human, and gave Himself the name Jesus, that He might redeem men and save them. In the Christian churches at this day it is believed that God the Creator of the universe begat a Son from eternity, and that this Son descended and assumed a Human in order to redeem and save men. This is an error, and of itself falls to the ground as soon as it is considered that God is one, and that it is worse than incredible in the sight of reason to say that the one God begat a Son from eternity, and that God the Father, together with the Son and Holy Spirit, each one of whom singly is God, is one God. This incredible notion is wholly dissipated, like a falling star in midair, when it is shown from the Word that Jehovah God Himself descended and became Man and also Redeemer.

 The first statement, that it was Jehovah God Himself who descended and became Man, is made clear in the following passages: Behold, a virgin shall conceive and shall bear a Son, who shall be called God-with-us (Isa. 7:14; Matt. 1:22, 23). Unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government shall be upon His shoulder; and His name shall be called Wonderful, God, Mighty, Father of Eternity, the Prince of Peace (Isa. 9:6).

It shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for Him that He may deliver us; this is Jehovah; we have waited for Him; let us exult and be glad in His salvation (Isa. 25:9).

 The voice of one crying in the desert, Prepare ye the way of Jehovah; make level in the wilderness a highway for our God, and all flesh shall see it together (Isa. 40:3, 5).

Behold, the Lord Jehovah cometh in strength, and His arm shall rule for Him behold, His reward is with Him. He shall feed His flock like a shepherd (Isa. 40:10, 11).

Jehovah said, Sing for joy and be glad, O daughter of Zion; for lo, I come to dwell in the midst of thee. Then many nations shall cleave to Jehovah in that day (Zech. 2:10, 11). I, Jehovah, have called thee in righteousness, and I will give thee for a covenant of the people.

I am Jehovah; this is My name; My glory will I not give to another (Isa. 42:6-8).

 Behold, the days come, that I will raise up unto David a righteous Branch and He shall reign as King, and He shall execute judgment and righteousness in the earth, and this is His name, Jehovah our righteousness (Jer. 23:5, 6; 33:15, 16). See also the places where the Lord's coming is called "the day of Jehovah" (as in Isa. 13:6, 9, 13, 22; Ezek. 31:15; Joel 1:15; 2:1, 2, 11; 3:1, 14, 18; Amos 5:13, 18, 20; Zeph. 1:7-18; Zech. 14:1, 4-21; and elsewhere.

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Re: Why is the Lord sitting at the right hand?
« Reply #9 on: Sat May 19, 2012 - 15:10:58 »

A Son of God born from eternity descended and put on a Human is a total error which falls to the ground and is dissipated in the light of those passages in the Word where Jehovah Himself says that He Himself is the Savior and Redeemer, as in the following:

 Am I not Jehovah, and there is no God else beside Me? A just God and a Savior, there is none beside Me (Isa. 45:21, 22).

I am Jehovah; and beside Me there is no Savior (Isa. 43:11). I am Jehovah thy God, and thou shalt acknowledge no God beside Me and there is no Savior beside Me (Hos. 13:4).

That all flesh may know that I Jehovah am thy Savior and thy Redeemer (Isa. 49:26; 60:16).

As for our Redeemer, Jehovah of Hosts is His name (Isa. 47:4). Their Redeemer is strong; Jehovah of Hosts is His name (Jer. 1:34). O Jehovah, my Rock and my Redeemer (Ps. 19:14).

 Thus said Jehovah, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel, I am Jehovah thy God (Isa. 48:17; 43:14; 49:7).

Thus said Jehovah, thy Redeemer, I am Jehovah that maketh all things, even alone by Myself (Isa. 44:24). Thus said Jehovah, the King of Israel, and His Redeemer, Jehovah of Hosts,

I am the First and I am the Last; and beside Me there is no God (Isa. 44:6). Thou, O Jehovah, art our Father, our Redeemer; from everlasting is Thy name (Isa. 68:16). With everlasting kin

dness will I have mercy on thee, said Jehovah, Thy Redeemer (Isa. 54:8). Thou hast redeemed me, O Jehovah of truth (Ps. 31:5). Let Israel hope in Jehovah; for with Jehovah there is mercy, and with Him is plenteous redemption. And He shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities (Ps. 103:7, 8).

Jehovah of Hosts is His name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; the God of the whole earth shall He be called (Isa. 54:5). From these and many other passages it can be seen by every man who has eyes, and a mind that has been opened by means of them, that God, who is one, descended and became Man, in order to effect redemption. Who cannot see this as in the light of morning when he gives any attention to these Divine declarations themselves which have been presented? But those who are in the shades of night, owing to a confirmed belief in the birth of another God from eternity, and in His descent and work of redemption, shut their eyes to these Divine declarations, and in that state study how to apply them to their own falsities and pervert them.

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Re: Why is the Lord sitting at the right hand?
« Reply #10 on: Tue May 22, 2012 - 14:23:41 »

 Thus said Jehovah, thy Redeemer, I am Jehovah that maketh all things, even alone by Myself(Isa. 44:24). Thus said Jehovah, the King of Israel, and His Redeemer, Jehovah of Hosts,

This one proves the creation was done by one God, not three.  The book of Genesis is not written, In the beginning the gods created heaven and earth.

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« Reply #11 on: Tue May 22, 2012 - 17:29:10 »
Matt 3:16 After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and [a] he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him,

     This passage clearly depicts all three, God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit, separately and in the same instance.



Rev 14:1 Then I looked, and behold, the Lamb was standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His name and the name of His Father written on their foreheads.

      As you can see, in this passage two different names of the Father and the Son written on the 144K witnesses.

Mark 15: 33  When the
  • sixth hour came, darkness [p]fell over the whole land until the [q] ninth hour. 34 At the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, “ Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?

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Re: Why is the Lord sitting at the right hand?
« Reply #12 on: Wed May 23, 2012 - 11:08:44 »
Matt 3:16 After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and [a] he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him,

     This passage clearly depicts all three, God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit, separately and in the same instance.



Rev 14:1 Then I looked, and behold, the Lamb was standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His name and the name of His Father written on their foreheads.

      As you can see, in this passage two different names of the Father and the Son written on the 144K witnesses.

Mark 15: 33  When the
  • sixth hour came, darkness [p]fell over the whole land until the [q] ninth hour. 34 At the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, “ Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?” which is translated, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?” 35 When some of the bystanders heard it, they began saying, “Behold, He is calling for Elijah.” 36 Someone ran and filled a sponge with sour wine, put it on a reed, and gave Him a drink, saying, “[r]Let us see whether Elijah will come to take Him down.” 37  And Jesus uttered a loud cry, and breathed His last. 38  And the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. 39  When the centurion, who was standing right in front of Him, saw [t]the way He breathed His last, he said, “Truly this man was the Son of God!”


      My personal favorite.  God the Father and Jesus the Son at the moment our salvation was purchased by his blood.  This does not depict the dispair of a dying man.  Jesus cried out because, as he took the sin of all mankind on himself,  God, his Holy and just Father had to turn away.  Removal from the sight of God and his Holy presence is the price of our sin.  The only begotten son and Lamb without blemish was abandoned by his Father for our sins.  This event more than any depicts that there are multiple reasons why events are significant.  What happens on the earth must reconcile with what happens in Heaven and what happens in the spirit.
       Can you even imagine that day from the perspective of Heaven.  Can you imagine your only child being badly hurt and being put to death and you have all the power to stop it and having to turn and walk away.  Can you imagine legions upon legions of angels standing ready to smite his enemies and being forced to hold.
        On that day, Jesus was Jesus and God was God.  Since that day, Jesus sits at the place of highest Honor, at the right hand of God.  The word had to become flesh to take on our sin and defeat death.

       My question to you is, do you know who, to this day is at the left hand of the Almighty?  He has been there since before creation.

        God alone created the world.  God became flesh in his son Jesus but was still God.  God can send his spirit at will but remains on the throne.
         


 It is never explicitly stated in so many words that the Father and the Son are two distinct Persons. That is never said. But it was assumed - taken for granted - by the Councils of the Early Christian Church from 325 AD onwards and has been unthinkingly accepted as the orthodox Christian faith itself. But search as you will, you will never find a passage that says explicitly that the Father and the Son are two, or that he who has seen the Son has yet to see the Father. 

"My God, My God why hast Thou forsaken Me" (Matt. 27:46) - on the cross, the last of the Lord's' lifelong temptations, The Lord was painfully aware of His Human Form to the exclusion of His Soul(Father) as we are in a finite way in temptations. The Divine Soul, which was the Father,  seems to have forsaken it.

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Re: Why is the Lord sitting at the right hand?
« Reply #13 on: Wed May 23, 2012 - 13:43:13 »
 Does the Divine Trinity has something to do with the right hand of God? It sure does,,because the Human Form which God the Creator had put on while on earth was the Son of God. The Son of God is the Father in His Divine Humanity.

 The Sacred Scripture teaches that God is one, and reason enlightened by the Lord sees it there and thence. But that God was a trinity before the world was created, the Sacred Scripture does not teach, and reason enlightened therefrom does not see. What is said in David concerning the Son, "This day have I begotten thee," is not from eternity, but in the fulness of time; for the future in God is present, thus to-day; in like manner as in Isaiah 9:6 Unto us unto us a Son is given, whose name is God, Hero, the Father of eternity.


 What rational mind, when it hears that before the creation of the world there were three Divine Persons, called the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, does not say within itself while thinking of them, "What is meant by a Son born from God the Father from eternity? How could He be born? And what is the Holy Spirit proceeding from God the Father through the Son from eternity? And how could He proceed and become God by Himself? How could a person beget a person from eternity? and both produce a person? Is not a person a person? How can three Persons, of which each is a God, be conjoined into one God, 1+1+1=3 otherwise than into one person? And yet this is contrary to theology, and this to that. How can the Divinity be divided into three Persons, and yet not into three Gods, when yet each Person is a God? How can the Divine essence, which is one, the same, and indivisible, fall into number,  be either divided or multiplied? How can three Divine Persons be together and take counsel together in a non-extense of space, such as was before the world was created? How, from Jehovah God, who is One, and thence Sole, Infinite, Immense, Eternal, and Omnipotent, could there be produced three equals to Himself? How can a Trinity of Persons be conceived of in the Unity of God, and the Unity of God in a Trinity of Persons? Besides the idea of plurality destroys the idea of unity, and vice versa. Perhaps it would have been possible for the Greeks and Romans also to unite all their gods into one, which were many, by identity only of essence."


The rational mind, in revolving and reflecting upon a Trinity of Persons in the Divinity from eternity, might also consider of what use was it that a Son was born, and that the Holy Spirit went forth from the Father through the Son before the world was created? Was there a use for three to consult how the universe should be created? And thus that three should create it? When yet the universe was created by the one God? Neither was there occasion that the Son should redeem, when yet redemption was effected after the world was created, in the fulness of time.  The Holy Spirit should sanctify, because as yet there was no man to be sanctified. Therefore if there were those uses in God's idea, still they were not [realized] before the creation of the world, but after it actually existed; from which it follows, that the Trinity from eternity was not a real Trinity, but ideal, and still more so is a Trinity of Persons.

Who in the church, while reading the Athanasian Creed, is able to understand this? That it is of the Christian verity, that each Person by Himself is God, and yet that it is not lawful by the Catholic religion to account them three Gods? Is not religion thus to him something other than truth? and that in truth three Persons are three Gods, but that from religion they are one God?


 A trinity of Persons in the Divinity before the world was created, did not come into the mind of any one from the time of Adam down to the advent of the Lord, as is clear from the Word of the Old Testament, and from histories concerning the religion of the ancients. Neither did it come into the mind of the Apostles, as is evident from their writings in the Word. Neither did it come into the mind of any one in the Apostolic Church, which was before the Council of Nice, as appears from the Apostles' Creed, in which no Son from eternity is mentioned, but a Son born from the Virgin Mary. A Trinity of Persons from eternity is not only above reason, but opposed to it. It is against reason that three Persons created the universe; that there were three Persons, and each one God, and not three Gods but one, and then three Persons and not one Person. Will not the New Church about to come call this age of the old church benighted or barbarous, when they worshiped three Gods? Similarly irrational are those things which are derived from that Trinity.


A Trinity of Persons in the Divinity from eternity was first taught by the Nicene Council, as appears from the two Creeds, the Nicene and the Athanasian. And afterwards it was received by the churches as the principal dogma, and as the head of the doctrines, after that time even to the present day. There were two reasons why that Trinity was given forth by the Council of Nice; the first was, that they knew not how otherwise to dissipate the scandals of Arius, who denied the Divinity of the Lord; the other, because they did not understand what is written by the evangelist John (Chap. i. 1, 2, 10, 14; xvi. 28; xvii. 5). How these things are to be understood may be seen above.


 The Divinity before the world was created as believed according to the Nicene Council and the churches after that, to consist of three Persons each of which was God, and that from the first Person was born a second, and from these two went forth a third, is not only above the understanding, but contrary to it, and the faith of a paradox, which is opposed to the rational understanding. It is a faith in which there is not anything of the church, but a persuasion of the false, such as obtains with those who are insane in religious matters. But still it is not here said of those who do not see [these things to be] contradictory and contrary to the Sacred Scripture and yet believe them, that they are insane in religious matters; thus it is not said of the Council of Nice, nor of the churches derived from it after that time, because they did not see.

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Re: Why is the Lord sitting at the right hand?
« Reply #14 on: Thu May 24, 2012 - 12:43:50 »
Harry,
      In the case of the story of Christ's baptism, i see your point that the scripture here or anywhere else does not specifically say that the three divisions of the trinity are separate or one.  From the opposite end of the same point, the scriptures do not say they are not separate.  I believe the distinctions make it obvious to the point that a further disclosure is not needed.
      Taking the tack that since it does not specifically say so we must not assume what is implied is a bit flawed I think.  I kind of liken it to the Church of Christ stand that there are things that are not permissible, like instrumental music, not because scripture forbids it but because scripture does not specifically mention it.  It is easy to see many references to music in the scripture but because the mention of instruments is conspicuously absent then it must be prohibited.  Just does not make sense to me.  Nothing against the Church of Christ mind you, merely a mild disagreement.

     That aside, I see that most of your point about the single Godhead is focused around creation.  Goodness, I know I am gonna get flames for this but I agree with you on that.  I think there is a valid case for the singularity of God at creation.  Does that have to mean that it did not change at the moment of Christ's conception.  Correct me if I am wrong but I don't recall much if any reference to the Holy Spirit in the context of the old testament either.

      Salvation is the part that required the separation.  God in his Holy and just form simply cannot allow sin in his presence.  The moment before Jesus died by both earthly and heavenly perspectives required them to be separate and exist as 2 different beings in the same moment.
     
      We often look at the three components of salvation as salvation, sanctification and justification.  That work is accomplished individually by the three persons within the trinity.  Salvation belongs to Christ.  He paid the price and He alone holds the gift, paid for and offered for all.  Once accepted the Holy Spirit dwells within us and Sanctifies us, making us suitable citizens of Heaven.  God the Father, as only he can, owns the Justification or final judgement that we are worthy.  These are three distinct and different processes.  The timing is often debated from being complete at the moment we ask for it to not being complete until the final judgement.  Few argue that three different things exist within the whole.

      My point is, why does the definition have to be singular.  Why cannot the whole being of God exist as Father, Son and Spirit, separate but also one or of one?  It mirrors our own existence and that of the universe as I see it.  There are three distinct existences as we know it.  Earth, Heaven and Spirit.  There are distinctions between all three, but all three exist at the same time and are the same thing.

      Cannot the majesty of God exist as one God and at the same time as three parts?  If that is possible is it imperative that it was always that way?  Could God have been one but at the appointed time become three?

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Re: Why is the Lord sitting at the right hand?
« Reply #15 on: Fri May 25, 2012 - 09:10:44 »
Matt 3:16 After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and [a] he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him,

     This passage clearly depicts all three, God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit, separately and in the same instance.



Rev 14:1 Then I looked, and behold, the Lamb was standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His name and the name of His Father written on their foreheads.

      As you can see, in this passage two different names of the Father and the Son written on the 144K witnesses.

Mark 15: 33  When the
  • sixth hour came, darkness [p]fell over the whole land until the [q] ninth hour. 34 At the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, “ Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?” which is translated, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?” 35 When some of the bystanders heard it, they began saying, “Behold, He is calling for Elijah.” 36 Someone ran and filled a sponge with sour wine, put it on a reed, and gave Him a drink, saying, “[r]Let us see whether Elijah will come to take Him down.” 37  And Jesus uttered a loud cry, and breathed His last. 38  And the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. 39  When the centurion, who was standing right in front of Him, saw [t]the way He breathed His last, he said, “Truly this man was the Son of God!”


      My personal favorite.  God the Father and Jesus the Son at the moment our salvation was purchased by his blood.  This does not depict the dispair of a dying man.  Jesus cried out because, as he took the sin of all mankind on himself,  God, his Holy and just Father had to turn away.  Removal from the sight of God and his Holy presence is the price of our sin.  The only begotten son and Lamb without blemish was abandoned by his Father for our sins.  This event more than any depicts that there are multiple reasons why events are significant.  What happens on the earth must reconcile with what happens in Heaven and what happens in the spirit.
       Can you even imagine that day from the perspective of Heaven.  Can you imagine your only child being badly hurt and being put to death and you have all the power to stop it and having to turn and walk away.  Can you imagine legions upon legions of angels standing ready to smite his enemies and being forced to hold.
        On that day, Jesus was Jesus and God was God.  Since that day, Jesus sits at the place of highest Honor, at the right hand of God.  The word had to become flesh to take on our sin and defeat death.

       My question to you is, do you know who, to this day is at the left hand of the Almighty?  He has been there since before creation.

        God alone created the world.  God became flesh in his son Jesus but was still God.  God can send his spirit at will but remains on the throne.
         

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Re: Why is the Lord sitting at the right hand?
« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2012, 05:29:10 PM »



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Matt 3:16
And Jesus being baptized, went up straightway out of the water; and lo, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon Him.

This means ascending rapidly out of external truths, He enters into the interior truths and goods of the Word, even to the Divine Truth in Himself. The Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon Him is the Divine Truth in Jesus. The Divine Truth is the Word, and Jesus Christ is the Divine Word. He is also the Holy Spirit. You can say Spirit of God or Holy Spirit, both mean the samething.

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Re: Why is the Lord sitting at the right hand?
« Reply #16 on: Thu May 31, 2012 - 17:45:59 »
Because the Jews didn't have toilet paper.

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Re: Why is the Lord sitting at the right hand?
« Reply #17 on: Sat Jun 02, 2012 - 21:30:34 »

Third Memorable Relation: I saw at a distance five gymnasia, each one surrounded by a light from heaven. A purple light, such as there is in the clouds in the morning before sunrise on earth, surrounded the first; a yellowish light, like that in the east after sunrise, urrounded the second; a bright light, like that of noonday in the world, surrounded the third; and a moderate light, like daylight when it begins to be tempered by the shades of evening, surrounded the fourth. The fifth stood in the actual shade of evening. Gymnasia in the spiritual world are halls where the learned assemble and discuss various arcana that are serviceable to their knowledge, intelligence, and wisdom. Seeing these gymnasia I felt a strong desire to visit one of them, and went in spirit to the one that was surrounded by the moderate light; and entering I saw an assembly of the learned; who were discussing with one another what is involved in the statement that the Lord was taken up to heaven and sits at the right hand of God (Mark 16:19).

 [2] The greater part of the assembly said that this should be understood in accordance with the very words, that the Son does so sit beside the Father; and it was asked why He did so. Some said that the Son had been placed by the Father at His right hand on account of the redemption He had accomplished; others said that it was from love that He sat there; others that it was in order that He might be the Father's counselor; and being such, that He might be honored by the angels; others that it was because it had been granted Him by the Father to rule in His stead, for it is written that all power was given to Him in heaven and on earth. But the greater number said that it was in order that He might hear, from the right hand, those for whom He intercedes; for in the church at the present day all approach God the
Father, and pray to Him to be merciful for the Son's sake; and this causes the Father Himself to turn to the Son, that Hemay receive the Son's mediation. Some, however, said that it is only the Son of God from eternity who sits at the right hand of the Father, that He may impart His Divinity to the Son of man born in the world.

 [3] After hearing this, I was greatly astonished that learned men, who had already been living for some time in the spiritual world, should be so ignorant of heavenly things; but I perceived why it was so, namely, that from confidence in their own intelligence they had not suffered themselves to be taught by the wise. But that they might no longer remain ignorant of the meaning of the Son's sitting at the Father's right hand I raised my hand, asking them to give ear to a few words that I wished to say on that subject; and as they assented I said, "Do you not know from the Word that the Father and the Son are one, that the Father is in the Son, and the Son in the Father? This the Lord plainly says (in John 10:30, and 14:10, 11). If you do not believe this you divide God into two; and when this is done you are unable to think about God otherwise than naturally, sensually, and even materially; and this has been done in the world since the time of the Council of Nice, which introduced the doctrine of three Divine persons from eternity, and thereby turned the church into a theater furnished with painted hangings, wherein the actors were representing new plays. Who does not know and acknowledge that God is one? If you acknowledge this in heart and spirit, all that you have just said is of itself dissipated, or rebounds into the air like nonsense from the ear of a wise man."

 [4] At these remarks many were incensed, and burned to pull my ears and order me to be silent. But the president of the congregation said with indignation," This discussion is not about the unity and plurality of God, for we believe in both, but about what is involved in the statement that the Son sits at His Father's right hand; if you know anything about this, speak." I replied, "I will speak, but I pray you to suppress the noise." And I said, "'To sit at the right hand' does not mean to sit at the right hand, but it means God's omnipotence through the Human that He assumed in the world. By means of this He is in things last as well as in things first; by means of this He entered and overthrew and subjugated the hells; by means of this He restored order in the heavens; and thus by means of this He redeemed both men and angels, and will continue to redeem for ever. If you consult the Word, and are capable of enlightenment, you will perceive that
'right hand' means here omnipotence,

as it does in Isaiah: My hand hath founded the earth, and My right hand hath spanned the heavens (47:13).

 Jehovah hath sworn by His right hand and by the arm of His strength (62:8).

 Thy right hand doth hold Me up (Ps. 18:35).

Look to the Son that Thou madest strong for Thyself; let Thy hand be for the man of the right hand, for the Son of man whom Thou madest strong for Thyself (Ps. 80:15, 17).

 From this it is plain how the following is to be understood: The saying of Jehovah to my Lord, Sit Thou at My right hand until I make Thine enemies a footstool for Thy feet Jehovah shall send the staff of Thy strength out of Zion; rule Thou in the midst of Thine enemies (Ps. 110:1, 2).

This whole Psalm treats of the Lord's combat against the hells, and His subjugation of them. As 'the right hand of God' signifies omnipotence: The Lord says that He is to sit at the right of power (Matt. 26:63, 64) And at the right hand of the power of God" (Luke 22:69).

 [5] But at this the assembly became tumultuous, and I said, "Take heed; for a hand may appear from heaven, and when it appears (as it had appeared to me), it strikes the beholder with an incredible terror of its power; and this has been to me a proof that 'the right hand of God' signifies omnipotence." Scarcely had I spoken when beneath heaven an outstretched hand was seen, at the appearance of which such terror seized them that they rushed in crowds toward the doors, and some to the windows to throw themselves out, and some fell down unable to breathe. But I remained unterrified, and went out calmly after them; and when some distance away I turned and saw the building enveloped in a dense cloud, and was told from heaven that this was done because they had spoken from a belief in three Gods, and that the former light would return when those who were more sane should meet there.

Emanuel Swedenborg

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Re: Why is the Lord sitting at the right hand?
« Reply #18 on: Thu Jun 07, 2012 - 11:50:50 »
The right hand in Jewish writings represents Checed - one of the attributes of God.  The word is translated in your Bible as 'loving-kindness' as it denotes a combination of the two.  Loving in the sense of favor and Kindness in the sense that one acts to show that favor.

The left hand is Gevurah if you care.  Judgment.  Not judgment in the sense of discernment, but in the sense of punishment.

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Re: Why is the Lord sitting at the right hand?
« Reply #19 on: Thu Jun 07, 2012 - 16:02:56 »
The historical and often repeated differentiation between the right being good and the left being bad are wide, varied and curious.  Thank you Jarrod for adding one to my list.

Even the Latin versions of right (dexter) and left (sinister) bring such positive and negative connotations.  Without getting into an origin or chicken and egg debate.  This is also reflected in Heaven at the throne of the Father.  The right hand of the Father is considered the place of honor, the place of power and the place of favor.  To the left, thanks again Jarrod, the seat of punishment.

At the right hand of the Father sits Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior, the perfect Lamb of God, the most high and honored name of all time, our advocate.

At the left hand of the Father is our enemy, the first fallen, the opponent of God, the most feared and reviled name of all time, our adversary.  To this day, Lucifer still stands in the presence of God.  He still has access to the Throne and stands there as our accuser until the appointed time when he is finally cast out of Heaven to the earth.

It is also interesting that in many of the worlds courts to this day place the prosecutor or plaintiff at the left hand of the judge and the defendant and their advocate to the right hand of the judge.

 

     
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