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WHY DO SOME BLIEVE IN KJV-ONLYISM , WHAT DO YOU SAY ??
« on: Tue May 08, 2018 - 20:48:20 »
  Hi to all and there are many who say that the  KJV  BIBLE  is  inspired  , what are you thinking ??

 Here is one example in 1 Tim 1:4  , where one Greek word is translated  "  godly edifying  "   but the Greek word is  OIKONOMIA / DISPENSATION  !!

 This is just one example !!

 What say you  , as there are 160 translation , and are they all  INSPIRED ??

 dan p
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Re: WHY DO SOME BLIEVE IN KJV-ONLYISM , WHAT DO YOU SAY ??
« Reply #1 on: Fri Jun 01, 2018 - 08:08:07 »
God is certainly not going to condemn a person for not reading the AKJV bible but the AKJV is the only one that doesnt water down the Scriptures (especially the ones in reference to the divinity of Christ- all others will water those passages down or remove them altogether)

No English translation is 100% free of error but the AKJV has the fewest.

And btw a question to anyone here who has ever read the NIV. Hasnt anyone ever noticed how most editions put in these annoying little footnotes saying "The most ancient and reliable manuscripts do not contain such-and such a verse" (again in particular mostly with reference to the divinity of Jesus). This is Satan's work no doubt.

What a great way to instill doubt in people about the accuracy and authenticity of God's holy Word.

Until of course you decide to do your homework and you learn that what the NIV translators consider the most "ancient and reliable" are NEITHER

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Re: WHY DO SOME BLIEVE IN KJV-ONLYISM , WHAT DO YOU SAY ??
« Reply #2 on: Fri Jun 01, 2018 - 14:33:01 »
 Hi and I always use the KJV  as I grew up some 80 years ago  !!

 What i mean is thsi , that  the original  autograph are  accurate  ,   BUT  COPIES  are  NOT  !!

 Just check Eph 4:5  reads  One  Father  , one  Faith  , one  baptism  !!

Not correct and when you check the Greek word for one  BAPTISM  ,  that is not the correct Greek word  !!

 The correct Greek is   ONE  BAPTISMA   and that word , means  ONE  WHO  BAPTIZES  !!

 Just one example  , so check and you will  SEE  i am right !!

 KJV-ONLY IS  WRING !!

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Re: WHY DO SOME BLIEVE IN KJV-ONLYISM , WHAT DO YOU SAY ??
« Reply #3 on: Sat Dec 21, 2019 - 17:10:31 »
  The KJVO myth is phony as a Ford Corvette ! It has NO SCRIPTURAL SUPPORT whatsoever ! It's completely man-made.

  early in my 42 years of being saved, I was exposed to KJVO, thought it had some merit til I studied it closely & saw it was garbage. I have worked against it ever since.

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Re: WHY DO SOME BLIEVE IN KJV-ONLYISM , WHAT DO YOU SAY ??
« Reply #4 on: Thu Apr 02, 2020 - 05:22:15 »
  The KJVO myth is Satan's work. He invented it to cast doubt upon God's word & to cause strife & dissent among & between congregations.

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Re: WHY DO SOME BLIEVE IN KJV-ONLYISM , WHAT DO YOU SAY ??
« Reply #5 on: Sat Apr 04, 2020 - 07:56:04 »
The Origin of the Current KJVO myth
By robycop3

Ever wonder where KJVO-the false doctrine that the KJV is the only valid English Bible translation out there came from? Here's the skinny:

In 1930, a 7th Day Adventist official, Dr. Benjamin Wilkinson(1872-1968), published a book he named "Our Authorized Bible Vindicated" in response to a squabble within the SDA cult. This book is a collection of snippets in favor of the KJV of God's holy word, and is full of goofs, such as the "Psalm 12:6-7 thingie". Apparently, Wilkinson didn't bother to check 0ut the VERACITY of any of the info he gathered. And he copied PARTS of Dean John Burgon's writings, omitting anything that was critical of the Textus Receptus.

He obtained a Scottish copyright for this book, which he apparently allowed to lapse many years ago, as interest in his book was mostly limited to the SDA cult, and for only a short time.

There's no doubt that SDA is a pseudo/quasi-Christian cult, and that Dr. W was a full-fledged SDA official, teacher, and preacher, who often argued for the inerrancy of Ellen Gould White's writings, placing them on a par with Scripture. Several SDA buildings and libraries are named after him.

In 1955, someone called J. J. Ray of Eugene, OR discovered that book, and wrote his/her own book, "God Wrote Only One Bible". Ray copied much of Dr. W's book verbatim in GWOOB without acknowledging him whatsoever, copying many of the goofs in Dr. W's book. Whether Ray obtained Dr. W's permission to use his book, or simply plagiarized it is unknown, but at any rate, Ray used the power of modern media to publicize his/her book, thus starting the idea of KJVO among some of the general public.

Now, try Googling "J. J. Ray" in the Eugene, OR. area. The only one I've found whose lifetime fit the 1955 timeline was a used-car salesman, now deceased, who apparently never published any book. Ray's company, Eye-Opener Publishers, only published that one book. Apparently, "J. J. Ray" is a pseudonym. Now, why would any REAL MAN(or woman) OF GOD use a pseudonym? Apparently, "Ray" was concerned that Dr. W might speak out about his plagiarism.

Then, in 1970, Dr. D. O. Fuller, a Baptist pastor, published "Which Bible?"(3rd revision, 1972), a book which copied much from both Ray and Wilkinson, including many of the original goofs. Like W and Ray before him, he didn't bother to check out the VERACITY of the material he published. And, while he at least acknowledged W, he made absolutely NO mention of W's CULT AFFILIATION. It was this book which brought the public's attention, especially in Baptist circles, to the other two boox, and to KJVO in general. Soon, a whole genre was developed of KJVO boox, all of which drew a large portion of their material from those first three boox.

Now, while Ray's plagiarism and Fuller's deliberate omission of W's CULT AFFILIATION might've been legal, it was certainly DISHONEST, not something any devout Christian would do!

Now, I have not forgotten Dr. Peter S. Ruckman's 1964 works, "Manuscript Evidence" and "Bible Babel". These goof-filled worx was derived largely from Wilkinson's and Ray's books, repeating many of their booboos, such as the "Psalm 12:6-7 thingie". and copying an erroneous chart from Ray's book. Ruckman referred to the title of Ray's book as "God Only Wrote One Book", which hints at the inaccuracy of Ruckman's work. However, Ruckman's works was not among the "foundation stones" of the KJVO myth, as were Ray's and Fuller's boox, both derived from Wilkinson's book.

Virtually every current KJVO author, from Riplinger to Bynum to Melton to Grady to whomever, uses material from those first three boox in their own work, often re-worded, but still the same garbage in a different dumpster. About the only newer material in any of these boox is their criticism of newer Bible versions as they came out. We see a pattern of DISHONESTY in KJVO authorship, as many of its authors copy from each other without any acknowledgement, all of them drawing from a KNOWN CULT OFFICIAL'S book! HOW CAN ANY CHRISTIAN, SEEING ALL THIS DISHONESTY AND ATTEMPTS TO CONCEAL OR JUSTIFY IT, BELIEVE KJVO IS FROM GOD?

These facts are easily verified, either on the Internet or in most public libraries. Unlike KJVOs, we Freedom Readers deal in VERIFIABLE FACT, not fishing stories, opinion, and guesswork. All the boox I mentioned are available online legally, in public libraries, many religious bookstores, or are for sale at various web sites of many religious book stores.

Thus, you see why I, and many other Christians who try to serve God in all aspects of life, are so vehemently against the KJVO myth! It's Satanic in origin, definitely NOT FROM GOD!

I challenge any KJVO to show us any book written before 1930 that is largely about KJVO, and which can be traced to having started the current KJVO doctrine.(Cont. next post)

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Re: WHY DO SOME BLIEVE IN KJV-ONLYISM , WHAT DO YOU SAY ??
« Reply #6 on: Sat Apr 04, 2020 - 07:57:47 »

(Cont. frpm prev. post)
  The KJVO has the burden of proof for his doctrine, as he makes a positive assertions that the KJV is the only valid English Bible translation, and that it's perfect. The Freedom Reader denies the veracity of the KJVO claims, so the KJVO must prove his assertions correct to shift the burden of proof to the Freedom Reader.   
     The Freedom Reader's first defense is actually the ace of trumps - that the KJVO myth doesn't have one word of Scriptural support. We Christians don't believe any doctrine of faith/worship that doesn't come from Scripture, and KJVO certainly doesn't! Its MAN-MADE origin is well-known, & has been published on many sites. That fact alone effectively kills the KJVO myth's veracity.

     
The KJVO myth asserts that the KJV is the ONLY valid English Bible translation out there, and that it is perfect. We shall first prove the KJV is NOT perfect.
A glaring error in the KJV is "Easter" in Acts 12:4. First, EASTER DIDN'T EXIST when Luke wrote "Acts". Second, if it HAD then existed, neither Herod nor the Jews he was trying to please would've observed it, as they didn't believe Jesus had been resurrected. The TRUTH is, Herod was waiting for PASSOVER, then ongoing, to be finished. And passover, ACCORDING TO GOD HIMSELF, is seven days long. That's proven in Ezekiel 45:21, a direct quote of GOD HIMSELF: “In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month, you shall observe the Passover, a feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten."

  Furthermore, John 18:28 supports this fact: "Then they led Jesus from Caiaphas to the Praetorium, and it was early morning. But they themselves did not go into the [a]Praetorium, lest they should be defiled, but that they might EAT THE PASSOVER." Now, the paschal lambs had already been eaten the previous evening, so the 'passover' cited here could only be the special unleavened meals to be eaten all week. So, there's no question that passover was ongoing when Peter was busted.

 
 Then, there's the KJV's 1 Tim. 6:10, "the love of money is THE root of ALL evil". While Koine Greek has an equivalent for the English "the", it does not have one for the English "a", so English must supply it for the sentence to make sense in English. But the Greek does NOT have that connecting word between "est(as) & "rhizo" (root).Therefore, "THE root" is incorrect. Also, the Greek "pas", rendered 'all' in this verse in the KJV generally means 'some of all kinds or sorts', so MODERN English Bibles render the passage as "the love of money is A root of ALL SORTS of evil", which reality fits perfectly.

  Then, there's Exodus 20:13, "Thou shalt not KILL." The Hebrew 'ratsach', here rendered 'kill', generally refers to murder or wrongful killing. This KJV mistake has caused controversy & protests for many years, including "conscientious objectors" to military service, & protests at execution sites. Again, modern versions correctly render this verse as "You shall not MURDER."

 And, there's NO MANUSCRIPT SUPPORT for the words "and shalt be" in Rev. 16:5.
 
  And this is but a short list of the KJV's goofs & booboos.While it's an excellent translation, it's far-from-perfect!(robycop3)