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Re: Homophobia
« Reply #35 on: Fri Jul 22, 2016 - 08:50:34 »
According to Romans 1:28 and context, homosexuality is the result of having been given over to a reprobate mind, and therefore, as a sin, in terms of degree of depravity, it is a cut above the rest (i.e. its moral depravity is greater: an act of homosexuality is more sinful than other kins of sinful actions).

Homoseuaity is associated in Romans 1 with the following attitudes:

Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness, full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, without understanding, covenant-breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:  Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. Romans 1:29-32

Now your average homosexual is out to promote the homoexual agenda so he or she will attempt to hide these things from you, and then say that the biblical assessment of the heart of the homoseual is unfounded.

But anyone can play-act at being good.  What matters is what they do in secret (behind closed doors).  It is shameful to even speak of what a homosexual act entails.   These things are an abomination to the Omniscient God, who feels vexed in his righteous souf from day to day with their lawless deeds, even as the case was with Lot (2 Peter 2:6-10).  And performing a homosexual act, I would gather, does something to the heart and conscience that God tells us about in the above passage in Romans.
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Re: Homophobia
« Reply #36 on: Sun Oct 02, 2016 - 10:52:53 »
I can't believe this is a Christian website, since there appears to be so many here that accept the homosexual lifetstyle which God's Word declares is an abomination:

1 Cor 6:8-11
8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
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Lev 18:22
22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
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I suppose I'm in the wrong place here, since I agree with what God said in His Word.

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Re: Homophobia
« Reply #37 on: Fri Jun 23, 2017 - 19:54:39 »
I am sick of people using the PHOBIA label incorrectly.

a PHOBIA is an irrational fear of something.

Christians are NOT homophobic.

homosexuality is condemned by God along with all other sins.

Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"

1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor HOMOSEXUALS, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."

Homosexuality is CLEARLY condemned in the Bible.  It undermines the basis of God's created order where God made Adam, a man, and Eve, a woman -- not two men, not two women -- to carry out his command to fill and subdue the earth (Gen. 1:28). Homosexuality cannot carry out that command. It also undermines the basic family unit of husband and wife, the God-ordained means of procreation.  It is also dangerous to society.

Unlike other sins, homosexuality has a heavy judgment administered by God Himself upon those who commit it - and support it. This judgment is simple in that those who practice it are given over to their passions - which means that their hearts are allowed to be hardened by their sins.

"For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error," (Rom. 1:26-27).

As a result, they can no longer see the error of what they are doing.  They will not seek forgiveness.  They will die in their sins and face God's holy condemnation.  But, that isn't all.  In addition to the judgment of being given over to their sin, those involved in it also promote it and condemn others who don't approve of their behavior.

"...and, although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them," (Rom. 1:32).

So, in their hearty approval of homosexuality they encourage others to be trapped in their sinfulness.  This means they will reject Christ's redemptive work on the cross.  Without Jesus, they will have no forgiveness.  Without forgiveness, they will have no salvation. Without salvation, there is only damnation in eternal hell.  We don't want this for anyone.

The only hope for the homosexual, and all people who break God's laws, is to realize that God is holy and he will rightfully judge all who have sined against him by breaking his law (1 Kings 8:32; Ps. 9:8; 1 John 3:4).  If he did not do this, then he would be approving of wrong doing.  However, God is loving (1 John 4:8) patient (Rom. 2:4), wanting people to repent (Acts 17:30) and come a saving knowledge of him so they might be redeemed.  What this means is that the sinner must turn to Christ, who is God the Son in flesh (John 1:1,14; Col. 2:9), who bore our sins in his body on the cross (1 Pet. 2:24), died and rose from the dead (1 Cor. 15:1-4), and made it possible for sinners to be saved from the righteous judgment of God by faith in what Jesus did on our behalf (2 Cor. 5:21) and be forgiven of their sins (Eph. 2:8).  This is done receiving Christ (John 1:12), by believing in him and his sacrifice that is a payment for our sins to God the Father.  Like any sinner, the homosexual needs to repent, receive Christ by faith, and be saved from God's righteous judgment by trusting in Christ and the judgment that fell upon him on the cross.  They need to pray and ask the Lord Jesus to save them.

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Re: Homophobia
« Reply #38 on: Sat Jun 24, 2017 - 03:48:18 »
I agree, its not a fear of anything. We have friends who have same-sex attraction, we are not in fear of them or anyone else, yet they continue to use that word in a demeaning way. That is satan's strategy of course, to demean and attack all those who stand up for the truth. 
They do not just want acceptance of what they do, they demand to flaunt it and have pride marches. Just imagine if there were pride marches for heterosexuals. They demand that every thinks as they do and seem very powerful in areas of power. They even want to skew our children's minds.

I thank God that many have found Jesus Christ and received healing and restoration. 

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Re: Homophobia
« Reply #39 on: Wed Sep 20, 2017 - 02:26:15 »
a phobia is an irrational fear of something.

I dont think Christians have an irrational fear of sodomites and lesbians.

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Re: Homophobia
« Reply #40 on: Wed Sep 20, 2017 - 02:48:06 »
"Phobia," especially in the combining form (homophobia, hydrophobia, etc.), does not necessarily constitute "fear."  It can also mean "strong aversion."

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Re: Homophobia
« Reply #41 on: Wed Sep 20, 2017 - 06:27:35 »
So God is homophobic, then?

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Re: Homophobia
« Reply #42 on: Wed Sep 20, 2017 - 06:28:53 »
Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"

1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor HOMOSEXUALS, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."

Homosexuality is CLEARLY condemned in the Bible.  It undermines the basis of God's created order where God made Adam, a man, and Eve, a woman -- not two men, not two women -- to carry out his command to fill and subdue the earth (Gen. 1:28). Homosexuality cannot carry out that command. It also undermines the basic family unit of husband and wife, the God-ordained means of procreation.  It is also dangerous to society.

Unlike other sins, homosexuality has a heavy judgment administered by God Himself upon those who commit it - and support it. This judgment is simple in that those who practice it are given over to their passions - which means that their hearts are allowed to be hardened by their sins.

"For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error," (Rom. 1:26-27).

As a result, they can no longer see the error of what they are doing.  They will not seek forgiveness.  They will die in their sins and face God's holy condemnation.  But, that isn't all.  In addition to the judgment of being given over to their sin, those involved in it also promote it and condemn others who don't approve of their behavior.

"...and, although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them," (Rom. 1:32).

So, in their hearty approval of homosexuality they encourage others to be trapped in their sinfulness.  This means they will reject Christ's redemptive work on the cross.  Without Jesus, they will have no forgiveness.  Without forgiveness, they will have no salvation. Without salvation, there is only damnation in eternal hell.  We don't want this for anyone.

The only hope for the homosexual, and all people who break God's laws, is to realize that God is holy and he will rightfully judge all who have sined against him by breaking his law (1 Kings 8:32; Ps. 9:8; 1 John 3:4).  If he did not do this, then he would be approving of wrong doing.  However, God is loving (1 John 4:8) patient (Rom. 2:4), wanting people to repent (Acts 17:30) and come a saving knowledge of him so they might be redeemed.  What this means is that the sinner must turn to Christ, who is God the Son in flesh (John 1:1,14; Col. 2:9), who bore our sins in his body on the cross (1 Pet. 2:24), died and rose from the dead (1 Cor. 15:1-4), and made it possible for sinners to be saved from the righteous judgment of God by faith in what Jesus did on our behalf (2 Cor. 5:21) and be forgiven of their sins (Eph. 2:8).  This is done receiving Christ (John 1:12), by believing in him and his sacrifice that is a payment for our sins to God the Father.  Like any sinner, the homosexual needs to repent, receive Christ by faith, and be saved from God's righteous judgment by trusting in Christ and the judgment that fell upon him on the cross.  They need to pray and ask the Lord Jesus to save them.

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Re: Homophobia
« Reply #43 on: Wed Sep 20, 2017 - 07:18:38 »
a phobia is an irrational fear of something.

I dont think Christians have an irrational fear of sodomites and lesbians.


I don't fear them but they do make my skin crawl.

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Re: Homophobia
« Reply #44 on: Wed Sep 20, 2017 - 18:01:54 »
So God is homophobic, then?

Norrin Radd said

""Phobia," especially in the combining form (homophobia, hydrophobia, etc.), does not necessarily constitute "fear."  It can also mean "strong aversion."

God said

Leviticus 18:22 (NKJV)  You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.

Leviticus 20:13 (NKJV)  If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.

"Abomination" means..............

Definition of abomination

1 :something regarded with disgust or hatred :something abominable considered war an abomination
2 :extreme disgust and hatred :loathing a crime regarded with abomination

So to answer your question.  It would appear yes.

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Re: Homophobia
« Reply #45 on: Thu Sep 21, 2017 - 12:25:03 »

I don't fear them but they do make my skin crawl.

Yes, but so do liars, gossips, slanderers, cheaters, etc.

Ive been convicted about that lately...that I let behaviors that are vile make me no longer see a person, but the embodiment of the behavior...but God sees their heart and need, and still loves those that I find the most deplorable.

So, I've been praying for eyes like that.  To see people as they are and love them apart from their actions.  Their actions are wrong, but they are just the evidence that they need Jesus love the most...

rambling here I know...

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« Reply #46 on: Thu Sep 21, 2017 - 12:43:31 »
Yes, but so do liars, gossips, slanderers, cheaters, etc.

Ive been convicted about that lately...that I let behaviors that are vile make me no longer see a person, but the embodiment of the behavior...but God sees their heart and need, and still loves those that I find the most deplorable.

So, I've been praying for eyes like that.  To see people as they are and love them apart from their actions.  Their actions are wrong, but they are just the evidence that they need Jesus love the most...

rambling here I know...

sorry.


Don't apologize, you're absolutely correct.


The sexual sins of those that partake are indeed akin to very many other sins that are common but less talked about. I think one of the reasons why homosexuals specifically are disgusting to me, is the way that their lifestyles are celebrated by the PC camp, something that is not found with thieves, cheaters, liars, etc. It certainly irks me.

I quite often feel the need to look past my own issues and understand that these people are as lost as any other person, and need Jesus all the same.

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Re: Homophobia
« Reply #47 on: Thu Sep 21, 2017 - 13:02:07 »
The issue to me is what constitutes repentance of any sin? If the sin is still regularly practiced could repentance have taken place. With the homosexual lifestyle advocates repentance or turning away from said lofestyle is repugnant. The Bible is clear that God considers that lifestyle repugnant and an abomination.
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Re: Homophobia
« Reply #48 on: Thu Sep 21, 2017 - 13:06:26 »

Don't apologize, you're absolutely correct.


The sexual sins of those that partake are indeed akin to very many other sins that are common but less talked about. I think one of the reasons why homosexuals specifically are disgusting to me, is the way that their lifestyles are celebrated by the PC camp, something that is not found with thieves, cheaters, liars, etc. It certainly irks me.

I quite often feel the need to look past my own issues and understand that these people are as lost as any other person, and need Jesus all the same.

If you paraded around in your lies or other sins and declared them to not be sin you would get more attention like those who are gay.

There are now more and more "affirming churches," who sacrifice truth for political correctness.

So there is a huge difference.

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« Reply #49 on: Thu Sep 21, 2017 - 13:19:53 »
The issue to me is what constitutes repentance of any sin? If the sin is still regularly practiced could repentance have taken place. With the homosexual lifestyle advocates repentance or turning away from said lofestyle is repugnant. The Bible is clear that God considers that lifestyle repugnant and an abomination.


Yep, repentance is key. For the thief and cheater, confessing those sins and starting a new day trying to turn things around differs vastly from the homosexual that wants us to accept their sin as being equal to all other sins.

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Re: Homophobia
« Reply #50 on: Thu Sep 21, 2017 - 13:24:23 »

Don't apologize, you're absolutely correct.


The sexual sins of those that partake are indeed akin to very many other sins that are common but less talked about. I think one of the reasons why homosexuals specifically are disgusting to me, is the way that their lifestyles are celebrated by the PC camp, something that is not found with thieves, cheaters, liars, etc. It certainly irks me.

I quite often feel the need to look past my own issues and understand that these people are as lost as any other person, and need Jesus all the same.

Thanks, Alan for your kind response as I try and muddle my way through something God has been pricking my heart over.

I don't have any sure fire answers yet, still just mulling over and trying to surrender any area of my thinking that is in disagreement with His...ugh. Some are HARD to give up! Haha!

It *is* absolutely heartbreaking how celebrated the sin is..I'm with you on that.   ::nodding:: ::cryingtears::

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Re: Homophobia
« Reply #51 on: Thu Sep 21, 2017 - 13:25:17 »
If you paraded around in your lies or other sins and declared them to not be sin you would get more attention like those who are gay.

There are now more and more "affirming churches," who sacrifice truth for political correctness.

So there is a huge difference.


I think the gays have made progress with the church because the left has made it a symbol of unity and love, not so sure the church would accept cheaters and liars that have no desire to change their ways without the support of the PC/left.

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« Reply #52 on: Sun Dec 03, 2017 - 19:29:21 »
a "phobia" is an irrational fear of something.

Christians do NOT have an irrational fear of sodomites and lesbians.

They are sinners and God calls homosexuality an "abomination" and tells us that homosexuals will NOT enter heaven.

They CAN be saved though by repenting and coming to Jesus Christ.

Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"

1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor HOMOSEXUALS, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."

Homosexuality is CLEARLY condemned in the Bible.  It undermines the basis of God's created order where God made Adam, a man, and Eve, a woman -- not two men, not two women -- to carry out his command to fill and subdue the earth (Gen. 1:28). Homosexuality cannot carry out that command. It also undermines the basic family unit of husband and wife, the God-ordained means of procreation.  It is also dangerous to society.

Unlike other sins, homosexuality has a heavy judgment administered by God Himself upon those who commit it - and support it. This judgment is simple in that those who practice it are given over to their passions - which means that their hearts are allowed to be hardened by their sins.

"For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error," (Rom. 1:26-27).

As a result, they can no longer see the error of what they are doing.  They will not seek forgiveness.  They will die in their sins and face God's holy condemnation.  But, that isn't all.  In addition to the judgment of being given over to their sin, those involved in it also promote it and condemn others who don't approve of their behavior.

"...and, although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them," (Rom. 1:32).

So, in their hearty approval of homosexuality they encourage others to be trapped in their sinfulness.  This means they will reject Christ's redemptive work on the cross.  Without Jesus, they will have no forgiveness.  Without forgiveness, they will have no salvation. Without salvation, there is only damnation in eternal hell.  We don't want this for anyone.

The only hope for the homosexual, and all people who break God's laws, is to realize that God is holy and he will rightfully judge all who have sined against him by breaking his law (1 Kings 8:32; Ps. 9:8; 1 John 3:4).  If he did not do this, then he would be approving of wrong doing.  However, God is loving (1 John 4:8) patient (Rom. 2:4), wanting people to repent (Acts 17:30) and come a saving knowledge of him so they might be redeemed.  What this means is that the sinner must turn to Christ, who is God the Son in flesh (John 1:1,14; Col. 2:9), who bore our sins in his body on the cross (1 Pet. 2:24), died and rose from the dead (1 Cor. 15:1-4), and made it possible for sinners to be saved from the righteous judgment of God by faith in what Jesus did on our behalf (2 Cor. 5:21) and be forgiven of their sins (Eph. 2:8).  This is done receiving Christ (John 1:12), by believing in him and his sacrifice that is a payment for our sins to God the Father.  Like any sinner, the homosexual needs to repent, receive Christ by faith, and be saved from God's righteous judgment by trusting in Christ and the judgment that fell upon him on the cross.  They need to pray and ask the Lord Jesus to save them.

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« Reply #53 on: Mon Dec 04, 2017 - 04:24:24 »
I thank God that many have found Jesus Christ and received healing and restoration.
Chosenone, I think you want to believe that and maybe because your heart is tender toward all people, God is judge, not me, that being said, I have lived a longer life than you and have YET to see one Sodomite that God has turned from their sins, not one, that lived differently, after a confession of faith~that's NOT saying there has not been one, I have not seen one, and have known many of them, EVEN in my own family. I have even preached a short sermon at one's funeral~my wife's brother who died on Christmas day 1987. It was an experience, to say the least, one I shall never forget. There were about forty to fifty of his friend's in attendance. I spoke very briefly that Jesus was not a babe in a manger as the world does love to think of him and KEEP him~but a KING upon a throne that shall soon return and judge this world.

I said I never have seen one that I have been convinced has turned from their sins, except maybe one. My wife's brother knew he was dying and asked to speak with my wife late in the afternoon before he died early morning Christmas day. Everyone left the room and he told her that he desired to be saved knowing that he soon was leaving this world. She asked him if he would speak to me and he said yes I will.  I came in not knowing what to expect, and he said to me, I know I'm going to died and do not want to die lost I need help..... something to that effect. I said, Rory, let me ask you a few questions~( I DID NOT want him to leave this world with a false hope, and myself being the main one giving him that hope) If God in his mercy raised you up from this deathbed, would you continue living the SAME lifestyle that you have up until now? He said no, but would keep my friends~I said you can not do that, they also must go, and he said, OKAY, then I'm willing to do what I must do. So I proceeded and said~Rory, I have no power to get you born again, I cannot put that desire within you NEITHER can I take that away IF God has put that in you. I said, If you desire God's mercy then God put that in your heart, and I can ASSURE you if it is there, then you will wake up in his presence rejoicing in his mercy, that's all I can assure you of. He said that's good enough for me~he died nine hours later. Before he died, he was totally alert and talked for three hours or more about many things that he and his sister and brother had done growing up, we left went back to the house for some rest and he died a few hours later.

I do not put much faith in deathbed experiences, yet Rory is the only person that I CAN SAY may have experienced it~God only knows.
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