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Humbled and Truthful
« on: Wed Sep 21, 2011 - 21:01:46 »
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Has Christianity evolved from Catholicism?

Yes and no.

When the Church was in its infancy, we were called "Christians". That was the first name crafted to the Church founded by Jesus Christ. Just a little short of a hundred years after Christ returned to Heaven, Christianity began to become diverse in its ideology and beliefs. What we call "heresy" became widespread. A major heretical sect was known as Gnosticism. The theology of Gnosticism was so controversial because it was inclusive to theology from other religions, while traditional Christianity was exclusive to only the teachings of Christ, His Apostles and those they ordained to continue on in their roles as teachers.

It was in response to the spread of heresy such as Gnosticism that the orthodox Christian community adopted a new term to distinguish themselves from all heresy. That title was "Catholic" (or the Greek "katholicus"). Hence forth the surname of the Christian Church was the Catholic Church, or the One, Holy, Apostolic, Catholic Church.

In regards to evolution, yes all modern day Christian sects hail from the Catholic Church.

In 451, the Catholic Church experienced its first succession, when the Patriarchate of Alexandria separated from the universal community. Then for about 600 years there were a series of schisms between Rome in the West and Constantinople in the East. The current schism is the result of a formal separation in 1054.

All post reformation sects in the West, including non-denominationals,  broke away from the Roman Catholic Church. Every other Christian on this site apart from myself and about seven others are members of one of those post Protestant Reformation sects.



So to a Muslim you willingly humble yourself and speak truth. The early Christians called themselves Christians, not Catholic, your own words.



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Re: Muslim in need of some information
« Reply #1 on: Wed Sep 21, 2011 - 21:05:28 »
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Has Christianity evolved from Catholicism?

Yes and no.

When the Church was in its infancy, we were called "Christians". That was the first name crafted to the Church founded by Jesus Christ. Just a little short of a hundred years after Christ returned to Heaven, Christianity began to become diverse in its ideology and beliefs. What we call "heresy" became widespread. A major heretical sect was known as Gnosticism. The theology of Gnosticism was so controversial because it was inclusive to theology from other religions, while traditional Christianity was exclusive to only the teachings of Christ, His Apostles and those they ordained to continue on in their roles as teachers.

It was in response to the spread of heresy such as Gnosticism that the orthodox Christian community adopted a new term to distinguish themselves from all heresy. That title was "Catholic" (or the Greek "katholicus"). Hence forth the surname of the Christian Church was the Catholic Church, or the One, Holy, Apostolic, Catholic Church.

In regards to evolution, yes all modern day Christian sects hail from the Catholic Church.

In 451, the Catholic Church experienced its first succession, when the Patriarchate of Alexandria separated from the universal community. Then for about 600 years there were a series of schisms between Rome in the West and Constantinople in the East. The current schism is the result of a formal separation in 1054.

All post reformation sects in the West, including non-denominationals,  broke away from the Roman Catholic Church. Every other Christian on this site apart from myself and about seven others are members of one of those post Protestant Reformation sects.



So to a Muslim you willingly humble yourself and speak truth. The early Christians called themselves Christians, not Catholic, your own words.






Reread what you quoted. This is not the place or the time but do try to keep up. I'm sure you've been watching my posts to try and catch me in a contradicting statement but if you have the reading comprehension of but a 3rd grader you will see that this is not that statement.


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Re: Muslim in need of some information
« Reply #2 on: Wed Sep 21, 2011 - 21:15:08 »
Don't flatter yourself I'm not hunting for your mistakes.

Lucky for me my reading comprehension is above 3rd grade, which might pose a problem for those who spout propaganda.


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Re: Humbled and Truthful
« Reply #3 on: Tue Nov 15, 2011 - 17:57:38 »
Mine is AT LEAST a 4th grade level.

Boo.  Ya.

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Re: Humbled and Truthful
« Reply #4 on: Tue Jan 03, 2012 - 11:29:05 »

So to a Muslim you willingly humble yourself and speak truth. The early Christians called themselves Christians, not Catholic, your own words.


Lucky for me my reading comprehension is above 3rd grade, which might pose a problem for those who spout propaganda.

FS,

In fairness to LightHammer, his post clearly indicates that the Church began using the term "Catholic" (καθολικος) in the late 2nd Century AD, as a way of distinguishing between true, faithful Christians and members of the growing number of heretical groups.

Therefore, I don't see where you can rightly accuse him of "spouting propaganda," at least with regard to this particular post.


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Re: Humbled and Truthful
« Reply #5 on: Fri Jan 13, 2012 - 04:16:56 »
So to a Muslim you willingly humble yourself and speak truth. The early Christians called themselves Christians, not Catholic, your own words.
No that is not quite correct.  The early Christians were called Christians by the non-Christians  because they were followers of "Chrestus".  Catholic simply refers to the universal church.

There was no such thing as a Christian Church only the Catholic Church.  The people were called Christians but the Church was referred to as Catholic because of the fact that from Jerusalem it had branched out to other countries.  And this is only to be expected because Christ commanded his apostles to make disciples of all nations. So the very first Christians were Catholic in the sense that they belonged to the same Church that was founded by Christ.

A person only became referred to as Catholic when the other denominations started sprouting up to distinguish those who still belong to the same Church that Christ founded from those who have affiliated themselves with the break away denominations.

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Re: Humbled and Truthful
« Reply #6 on: Tue May 08, 2012 - 04:20:23 »
 There is no biblical foundation  for evolution. So the simple answer is no.

There is though a biblical foundation as to what seed is it?

Many in the church have concepts and traditions that have no biblical foundation whatsoever albeit they are tenderly held and have been for decades centuries and more.This still does not make them right.
Jesus said "I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it"Unless God buiold the house then the builder build in vain"
The tabernacle in the wilderness was constructed "according to the pattern " of heaven and was to striclt so".MAKE SURE ....."
If that which was built by hands was to be exact how much the more  not built with hands?
If then the church  which is of Christ  is to be found we must look to the Bible to recognise it .

In rev 2 we have a church "who left its first love."
This opened the door to the "works of the nicolaitins" That si to say power over the leity.
That opened the door to the "doctrins of the nicoleity" Now not only have you a progrssion from works to Doctrin you have in consequence  a practice that now you have to believe.
Thus the development of not only the seperation  of the ministers from the congregation  but now into a sort of preisthood  manifested  in churches where the congregation is physicly seperated by a barriier and also only the 'qualified' can understyand the scriptures. Or indeed preach it although that aspect became less and less as time when on and in ist place cunninglky devisd fables abd doctrins. of devils.
That opend the door to "Jezebell" to understand that we need to go back to the Old testament  and understand  she brought in the worship of idols and she killed the p[rophest of God when she could.
That opend the door to the baalamites. here to we must go to the OT and read the account of Baalam.and for money he instigated the spirtiual fornication of the peopole of God so that thye woiuld come under a curse from God and theh they could be defeated by thier enmeies.
By the time of the reformation "she was rich increased with goods  and in need of nothing" in her own eyes.
Albeit God had kept a remnent and some were preaching the truth.There were persecuted and put to death.
But in the church as it was the truth was to all intents and purposes was dead and buried.Swamped by the traditions of men "who by thier traditioons made the Word of God of none effect" This jesus said in His day and so it was and has now become today also.
Jesus said "How shall we liken the kingdom of God?It is like a woman who secretly hid a measure of leven in the ,meal untill the while was leavened"
In all of scripture save one passage  Leven is used as sin. or an evil thing.
Thus it is written "beware the leven of the pharasees" They too lorded it over the people .
and in the end crucyfied the truth.
But God beign God who in the e bgining deecl;ared that every seed will  bring forth fruit after its own kind" Found a man who believed God ,Who before was a faitfull adherent of the 'churches' teachings and traditions .Yte found no peace with God.
When men have dispute  they go to what is written. There this man found what was written beliuved it and found peace with God.Then with the comfort that he had bene comforted he began to teach others.
The trouble was that it so contradicted the baalamites of the day and also the traditions and teachings of the day that rather than that which iwas called the church go to the scriptures,Did in fact say you must obey the church.
But who then does the church obey?Or should?
It is on record that Luthor did not seek to leave the church but rather to reform it.(It is still not reforned)But rather than reform and be conformed to Christ it persecuted him and also sought the death of all who by hte grace of God were not just reformed  but transformed by the renewal of thier minds and the conversion of thier hearts""

The isrealists sojourned in nEgypt,But in the end for delivered from her bondage.
So to were all who came out from her that was then caqlled the church and still is but is by the scriptures then as now unrecognisable as it.
we now have what is called the protestant church who for the same reason have gone down the same road albeit looking different but the end result is the same. In her own eyes "she is rich increased with goods and in need of nothing" and the baalamites are having a feiold day "making merchandise of Gods people"
Who by her traditions have made the word of God of none effect.
Here too there are and will be men and women who will believe God and be made conformable to Christ rather  than the traditions of men.

Jesus said "ye must be BORNagain" Not belong to this sinogogue or that.
and to be BORNagain it has to be of that "Incoruptable seed which is the word of GOD"
Thus is it written "Every seed shal bring forth fruit after nits own kind" and by thier fruits shall ye know them"

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Re: Humbled and Truthful
« Reply #7 on: Mon Jul 16, 2012 - 23:25:20 »
God first

thanks everybody

I am a Gnosticism/atheist/none

otherwise I am part Gnosticism

I am part every church that can teach me something

I also part atheist will i try but my pride gets in the way

I am part none because the bible is not God's Word

it has God word in it but it is not the complete truth because man pick which they wanted

King James order that everybody used one book

The Great Bible had others books in it

and there are others too

with love and a holy kiss Roy

No one is part atheist. If you do not believe God's word, then you have yet to know God. It looks to me like you are the one picking and choosing what you will and will not accept.

God has created you to have a relationship with Him, because He loves you more than you could ever imagine, and you cannot have that relationship without receiving His Son, Jesus, and what He did for you---namely paying the heavy price for your sin.

Receive Jesus Christ and accept His sacrifice for your sin and be welcomed into the family of God, with joy!

John 3:16
For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.

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Re: Humbled and Truthful
« Reply #8 on: Tue Jul 17, 2012 - 02:20:10 »
You said the church split in 1054 a.d.

This if funny, since a great supernova (today the remnants can be seen called the crab nebula), was visible to everyone, and occured that year!!

that's amazing!!  God knew about this beforehand!!


p.s. is it possible that the catholic church split because of  'the great rebellion' that was to occur because of the man of lawlessness written about in 2nd thessaolnians?

if so, was martin luther the man of lawlessness?

you know, maybe we don't need to keep rebelling against the catholics, but reform the catholic church maintaining the catholic church's name...

i don't know , just thinking...

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Re: Humbled and Truthful
« Reply #9 on: Tue Jul 17, 2012 - 03:05:49 »
You said the church split in 1054 a.d.

This if funny, since a great supernova (today the remnants can be seen called the crab nebula), was visible to everyone, and occured that year!!

that's amazing!!  God knew about this beforehand!!


p.s. is it possible that the catholic church split because of  'the great rebellion' that was to occur because of the man of lawlessness written about in 2nd thessaolnians?

if so, was martin luther the man of lawlessness?

you know, maybe we don't need to keep rebelling against the catholics, but reform the catholic church maintaining the catholic church's name...

i don't know , just thinking...

The true Church of Jesus Christ has never split.

The man of lawlessness has not showed his head to the world yet.

We do need to continue to make a strong stand against the bondage of religion that we have been freed from since the dark ages. We have made great strides toward freedom in Christ with the aid of Holy Spirit working in and through the Body of Christ since then, and we should never look back!

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Re: Humbled and Truthful
« Reply #10 on: Tue Jul 17, 2012 - 03:17:59 »
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thanks Lively Stone

you man of limit faith wake up everybody has a some unbelieved

they call it unbelief everyone has places were they are human

Many very strong believers do not have areas of unbelief. Many Christians do, however, and are not aware of it until God orchestrates their lives so that they become aware of it and change things! All glory goes to God for those times.

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Paul had them here

Romans 7:15-25
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15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

then even Paul had a atheist side when you get truthful but we know your better than me and apostel Paul

Paul was actually speaking of his early struggles. He had no atheist side! He was a strong believer in God, being a high-up member of the Pharisees!

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you must be honest to yourself first stop this lying

you wretched person you are

Why do you choose to be so vile? I was a wretched person before I found Jesus! Now I am a King's kid and I am blessed and highly favoured by God! There is nothing better! I don't lie, and you need to calm down.

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Mark 9:24 And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.

all we can do is ask God to help our unbelief like the man did

If you have areas of unbelief, then repent and pray that prayer every day until you make the decision that you will believe, no matter what. It dishonours God to believe one minute, posing as a believer, writing, "God first" all the time and then turn around and declare yourself an atheist, or express strong doubt like you have just done publically. God is calling you into relationship with Him. Doubt is going to hinder that. As James says, "...he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind."


Hang with God, get into His word daily, and you will change.

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Re: Humbled and Truthful
« Reply #11 on: Tue Jul 17, 2012 - 13:06:19 »
God first

thanks Lively Stone

do you believe what the word said about you yourself?

John 9:41 Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you would have no sin; but now you say, ‘We see.’ Therefore your sin remains.

Romans 3:9 What then? Are we better than they? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin.
10As it is written:
      “There is none righteous, no, not one;
11      There is none who understands;
      There is none who seeks after God.
12      They have all turned aside;
      They have together become unprofitable;
      There is none who does good, no, not one.” ◙
13      “Their throat is an open tomb;
      With their tongues they have practiced deceit”; ◙
      “The poison of asps is under their lips”; ◙
14      “Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness.” ◙
15      “Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16      Destruction and misery are in their ways;
17      And the way of peace they have not known.” ◙
18      “There is no fear of God before their eyes.” ◙
19Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all ◙ and on all who believe. For there is no difference; 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

you are under the curse of sin and I am the only different is I face the sin for what it is but you deny it

Romans 5:20 Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, 21so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

you are in sin

jesus forgave your past sin when Christ comceive himself in you

but you must ask for new sins personal

you sin against me when you said i had bad grammar not knowing my past

did you know Jesus Christ was taught in the schools of his time but he still talk to the poor uneducated person

did know that John the Baptist was in wildness with no schools at all

Jesus Christ call everybody the fools of the world

Paul was not talking about every years he was talking about here and now in Paul life

Ehp 5:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. 11Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of ◙ the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. 13Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

we are living in the evil world which is fleshly has wrestle against the images of our own mind

did not Christ if you thought it you are guilty of it

we are fools next to him

so growth up and open your spirit eyes

with love and a holy kiss Roy
     

I am free of the curse of sin because of what Jesus has done for me.

I didn't sin against you when I gave you some constructive advice. You took it in the wrong spirit. For your reaction, I forgive you.

Romans 8:1-2

Free from Indwelling Sin


There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.

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Re: Humbled and Truthful
« Reply #12 on: Tue Jul 17, 2012 - 13:47:49 »
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thanks  Lively Stone

I told I had a Stoke but refussed to hear me and keep it up like you were doing God's work but you were not


No I didn't. I suggested you retain some assistance. That is not bad advice, especially as you are creating YouTube submissions, which requires at least a modicum of legibility and articulation.

You can do whatever you wish to do.


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Romans 3:23
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23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

why other would need to ask for forgivrness of sins

Jesus Christ removed old sin when got conceive in the egg of Christ


Where's the scripture to prove that odd statement?

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Romans 3:23  For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

all means all not so other word




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1 John 1:9
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9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Jesus Christ wash away sin before we came Christ but there sin after we came

why would be need to confess something that no there




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1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

so your saying there no truth in your words



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Re: Humbled and Truthful
« Reply #13 on: Tue Jul 17, 2012 - 15:56:28 »
God first

thanks  Lively Stone

I have not the time to show every point over and over

Good, because they don't make sense, anyway...but you sure seem to have the time to continually bash me.

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Matthew 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

you are a sinner

I am so grateful to Jesus Christ that I am no longer a sinner, but a saint.

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with love and a holy kiss Roy

You need to stop with that hypocrisy right now.

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Re: Humbled and Truthful
« Reply #14 on: Sat Jul 21, 2012 - 15:15:04 »
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Has Christianity evolved from Catholicism?

Yes and no.

When the Church was in its infancy, we were called "Christians". That was the first name crafted to the Church founded by Jesus Christ. Just a little short of a hundred years after Christ returned to Heaven, Christianity began to become diverse in its ideology and beliefs. What we call "heresy" became widespread. A major heretical sect was known as Gnosticism. The theology of Gnosticism was so controversial because it was inclusive to theology from other religions, while traditional Christianity was exclusive to only the teachings of Christ, His Apostles and those they ordained to continue on in their roles as teachers.

It was in response to the spread of heresy such as Gnosticism that the orthodox Christian community adopted a new term to distinguish themselves from all heresy. That title was "Catholic" (or the Greek "katholicus"). Hence forth the surname of the Christian Church was the Catholic Church, or the One, Holy, Apostolic, Catholic Church.

In regards to evolution, yes all modern day Christian sects hail from the Catholic Church.

In 451, the Catholic Church experienced its first succession, when the Patriarchate of Alexandria separated from the universal community. Then for about 600 years there were a series of schisms between Rome in the West and Constantinople in the East. The current schism is the result of a formal separation in 1054.

All post reformation sects in the West, including non-denominationals,  broke away from the Roman Catholic Church. Every other Christian on this site apart from myself and about seven others are members of one of those post Protestant Reformation sects.



So to a Muslim you willingly humble yourself and speak truth. The early Christians called themselves Christians, not Catholic, your own words.

The early Church was called the Way, and they claimed to be catholic with a little C, not a big one. 

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Re: Humbled and Truthful
« Reply #15 on: Sat Jul 21, 2012 - 15:17:25 »
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thanks  Lively Stone

I have not the time to show every point over and over

Good, because they don't make sense, anyway...but you sure seem to have the time to continually bash me.

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Matthew 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

you are a sinner

I am so grateful to Jesus Christ that I am no longer a sinner, but a saint.

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with love and a holy kiss Roy

You need to stop with that hypocrisy right now.

I'm so curious, how do you claim to no longer be a sinner?  And what do you think that word means?  Meaning, sinner, not sin.  I'm pretty sure we don't agree, and I'm not bashing you here, I don't care if we agree or not.  I'm just trying to understand.   Thanks.

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Re: Humbled and Truthful
« Reply #16 on: Sat Jul 21, 2012 - 15:23:03 »
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thanks  Lively Stone

I told I had a Stoke but refussed to hear me and keep it up like you were doing God's work but you were not


No I didn't. I suggested you retain some assistance. That is not bad advice, especially as you are creating YouTube submissions, which requires at least a modicum of legibility and articulation.

You can do whatever you wish to do.


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Romans 3:23
King James Version (KJV)
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

why other would need to ask for forgivrness of sins

Jesus Christ removed old sin when got conceive in the egg of Christ


Where's the scripture to prove that odd statement?


Although I think he adds a bit to it, the verse he's referring to is 1 john 3:9, one born of God won't live a continuous sinning lifestyle (sinful nature being removed, and in fact can not continue sinning because His seed is in Him. 



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Romans 3:23  For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

all means all not so other word




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1 John 1:9
King James Version (KJV)
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Jesus Christ wash away sin before we came Christ but there sin after we came


Christ washed away your sins in terms of your penalty and sin debt.  Yes.  If you continue to sin you may ask for forgiveness.  But John the author of the verse you write above, shows when the sin is washed away, finally, THEN you will be in fellowship with God, 2:8, and that HE was in fellowship with GOD and those he wrote to were NOT.  So He was trying to help them get to where he was, and join him and his crew/posse/coterie with God and His son.   

I mean, if you are going to get onto him for scripture let's be fair and get it right and in context on both sides, right?



why would be need to confess something that no there


Because, along the way to being matured spiritually, you will still sin.  Nothing anywhere says you will sin forever while you live.  That's an apologetic pipe dream not rooted in exegesis, but hopes and excuses.




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1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

so your saying there no truth in your words





Maybe we shold do a 1 john 1 thread.... that sounds like it could be lively. :)

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Re: Humbled and Truthful
« Reply #17 on: Sat Jul 21, 2012 - 16:35:31 »
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thanks  Lively Stone

I have not the time to show every point over and over

Good, because they don't make sense, anyway...but you sure seem to have the time to continually bash me.

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Matthew 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

you are a sinner

I am so grateful to Jesus Christ that I am no longer a sinner, but a saint.

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with love and a holy kiss Roy

You need to stop with that hypocrisy right now.

I'm so curious, how do you claim to no longer be a sinner?  And what do you think that word means?  Meaning, sinner, not sin.  I'm pretty sure we don't agree, and I'm not bashing you here, I don't care if we agree or not.  I'm just trying to understand.   Thanks.

Nowhere in scripture are believers called sinners. They are saints. Our new nature and identity is in Christ.

Christians need to amend their language and take the higher road and declare themselves as who they are---no longer sinners but redeemed saints of God!

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Re: Humbled and Truthful
« Reply #18 on: Sun Jul 22, 2012 - 15:48:32 »
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thanks  Lively Stone

I have not the time to show every point over and over

Good, because they don't make sense, anyway...but you sure seem to have the time to continually bash me.

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Matthew 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

you are a sinner

I am so grateful to Jesus Christ that I am no longer a sinner, but a saint.

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with love and a holy kiss Roy

You need to stop with that hypocrisy right now.

I'm so curious, how do you claim to no longer be a sinner?  And what do you think that word means?  Meaning, sinner, not sin.  I'm pretty sure we don't agree, and I'm not bashing you here, I don't care if we agree or not.  I'm just trying to understand.   Thanks.

Nowhere in scripture are believers called sinners. They are saints. Our new nature and identity is in Christ.

Christians need to amend their language and take the higher road and declare themselves as who they are---no longer sinners but redeemed saints of God!


What ever you need to believe to support your narcissistic needs sister.

1 john 1 addresses people that have been atoned for, and have Christ as their mediator, but were being chastised for still sinning.  In fact the purpose of the letter was to help them NOT SIN so they could be in fellowship with God.

You have the horse pushing the cart.

You are claiming things with conditions to them in scripture before you have met the conditions.  No wonder you are confused.  It's like a blind man claiming He can see before He's healed.

Take your big bold claim of the Spirit inside you.

IF the Spirit is inside of you, you are no longer in the flesh.
If you are no longer in the flesh, that which makes you do what you don't want to do and not do what you want to do is no longer there, so therefore you have some freedom.  It was removed by a circumcision done by Christ. 
Now instead of battling sin, you can run a race TO GOD.
When you are indwelled by Spirit, you no longer give into temptations of the flesh.

You don't deny still sinning, therefore you are making claims against scriptures caveats.

So, No, I won't make those claims.  I'd rather know what I'm not than have to yell louder and louder what I am to try to convice man, something God says I'm not.


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Re: Humbled and Truthful
« Reply #19 on: Sun Jul 22, 2012 - 19:52:10 »
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Has Christianity evolved from Catholicism?

Yes and no.

When the Church was in its infancy, we were called "Christians". That was the first name crafted to the Church founded by Jesus Christ. Just a little short of a hundred years after Christ returned to Heaven, Christianity began to become diverse in its ideology and beliefs. What we call "heresy" became widespread. A major heretical sect was known as Gnosticism. The theology of Gnosticism was so controversial because it was inclusive to theology from other religions, while traditional Christianity was exclusive to only the teachings of Christ, His Apostles and those they ordained to continue on in their roles as teachers.

It was in response to the spread of heresy such as Gnosticism that the orthodox Christian community adopted a new term to distinguish themselves from all heresy. That title was "Catholic" (or the Greek "katholicus"). Hence forth the surname of the Christian Church was the Catholic Church, or the One, Holy, Apostolic, Catholic Church.

In regards to evolution, yes all modern day Christian sects hail from the Catholic Church.

In 451, the Catholic Church experienced its first succession, when the Patriarchate of Alexandria separated from the universal community. Then for about 600 years there were a series of schisms between Rome in the West and Constantinople in the East. The current schism is the result of a formal separation in 1054.

All post reformation sects in the West, including non-denominationals,  broke away from the Roman Catholic Church. Every other Christian on this site apart from myself and about seven others are members of one of those post Protestant Reformation sects.



So to a Muslim you willingly humble yourself and speak truth. The early Christians called themselves Christians, not Catholic, your own words.

The early Church was called the Way, and they claimed to be catholic with a little C, not a big one.

1. Of course it was with a little c alphabets didn't go case sensitive until the 1300's. The title is first recorded in the second century that's more than a thousand years before any developments in case sensitive.

2. The Church was only nominally called the Way in part by a small community in Acts. Catholic was her name. The Way is her Master and Groom.

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Re: Humbled and Truthful
« Reply #20 on: Sun Jul 22, 2012 - 20:22:51 »
God first

thanks  Lively Stone

I have not the time to show every point over and over

Good, because they don't make sense, anyway...but you sure seem to have the time to continually bash me.

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Matthew 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

you are a sinner

I am so grateful to Jesus Christ that I am no longer a sinner, but a saint.

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with love and a holy kiss Roy

You need to stop with that hypocrisy right now.

I'm so curious, how do you claim to no longer be a sinner?  And what do you think that word means?  Meaning, sinner, not sin.  I'm pretty sure we don't agree, and I'm not bashing you here, I don't care if we agree or not.  I'm just trying to understand.   Thanks.

Nowhere in scripture are believers called sinners. They are saints. Our new nature and identity is in Christ.

Christians need to amend their language and take the higher road and declare themselves as who they are---no longer sinners but redeemed saints of God!


What ever you need to believe to support your narcissistic needs sister.

I don't believe I am your sister, so you can stop calling me that right now. You come in here with your guns blazing and have no Christ-likeness in you.

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1 john 1 addresses people that have been atoned for, and have Christ as their mediator, but were being chastised for still sinning.  In fact the purpose of the letter was to help them NOT SIN so they could be in fellowship with God.

So? Saints still sin, but their identity isn't in sin, but in Christ who has wiped our sin away. We have a new nature, not a sin nature.

Ephesians 4:24
Put on your new nature, created to be like God—truly righteous and holy.

Colossians 3:10
Put on your new nature, and be renewed as you learn to know your Creator and become like him.

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You have the horse pushing the cart.

That just shows you don't know what you are talking about.

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You are claiming things with conditions to them in scripture before you have met the conditions.  No wonder you are confused.  It's like a blind man claiming He can see before He's healed.

Take your big bold claim of the Spirit inside you.

IF the Spirit is inside of you, you are no longer in the flesh.
If you are no longer in the flesh, that which makes you do what you don't want to do and not do what you want to do is no longer there, so therefore you have some freedom.  It was removed by a circumcision done by Christ. 
Now instead of battling sin, you can run a race TO GOD.

Been there and done that.

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When you are indwelled by Spirit, you no longer give into temptations of the flesh.

You don't deny still sinning, therefore you are making claims against scriptures caveats.

So, No, I won't make those claims.  I'd rather know what I'm not than have to yell louder and louder what I am to try to convice man, something God says I'm not.

I think you are confused.


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Re: Humbled and Truthful
« Reply #21 on: Sun Jul 22, 2012 - 22:50:43 »
I know you know the difference I. Your answer, and what would have been an answer to my objection.  I'm insulted you seemed to think I wouldn't see your evasion.

When caps were invented is irrevelant as I wasn't discussing symbols and fonts at all.  They said they were catholic in the non propername use of the word.  THAT didn't happen as it is used today until well after Constantine's deatn.

I will defend, AS A PROTESTANT, apostolic authority, disprove sola scriptura, protect sprinkling against rabid baptists, and generally be an apologist for most of your faith's doctrine.  So, please don't insult me with such an evasive, bs answer as you gave me just thenl.



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Has Christianity evolved from Catholicism?

Yes and no.

When the Church was in its infancy, we were called "Christians". That was the first name crafted to the Church founded by Jesus Christ. Just a little short of a hundred years after Christ returned to Heaven, Christianity began to become diverse in its ideology and beliefs. What we call "heresy" became widespread. A major heretical sect was known as Gnosticism. The theology of Gnosticism was so controversial because it was inclusive to theology from other religions, while traditional Christianity was exclusive to only the teachings of Christ, His Apostles and those they ordained to continue on in their roles as teachers.

It was in response to the spread of heresy such as Gnosticism that the orthodox Christian community adopted a new term to distinguish themselves from all heresy. That title was "Catholic" (or the Greek "katholicus"). Hence forth the surname of the Christian Church was the Catholic Church, or the One, Holy, Apostolic, Catholic Church.

In regards to evolution, yes all modern day Christian sects hail from the Catholic Church.

In 451, the Catholic Church experienced its first succession, when the Patriarchate of Alexandria separated from the universal community. Then for about 600 years there were a series of schisms between Rome in the West and Constantinople in the East. The current schism is the result of a formal separation in 1054.

All post reformation sects in the West, including non-denominationals,  broke away from the Roman Catholic Church. Every other Christian on this site apart from myself and about seven others are members of one of those post Protestant Reformation sects.



So to a Muslim you willingly humble yourself and speak truth. The early Christians called themselves Christians, not Catholic, your own words.

The early Church was called the Way, and they claimed to be catholic with a little C, not a big one.

1. Of course it was with a little c alphabets didn't go case sensitive until the 1300's. The title is first recorded in the second century that's more than a thousand years before any developments in case sensitive.

2. The Church was only nominally called the Way in part by a small community in Acts. Catholic was her name. The Way is her Master and Groom.

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Re: Humbled and Truthful
« Reply #22 on: Sun Jul 22, 2012 - 23:02:35 »
I came in with guns blazing?  Lie much? Or just as a last resort?

I asked you a legitimate question, which you evaded, then politely pointed out you evaded.  My guns didn't go off until after you had already been shooting your little cap gun comments at me. 

I will accept, I don't want to answer, but to talk about the mating habits of carp, when I asked you what color your car was, and then crying when I point out you didn't touch the question, is just pure desperation on your part. 

You have lied, misdirected purposefully, evaded, judged, and a bevy of other hypocritical hate mongering actions, and still sit there and pose as if you were God. 

You are a trip chickie. 


As far as being a sister iin the sense you used it?  Dang right you aren't.  You are no more spiritually related to me, as I am to a crane.  I come from the change how you live, school, not the try to crawel on the backs of lessers til I reach God as you are group.

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Re: Humbled and Truthful
« Reply #23 on: Sun Jul 22, 2012 - 23:15:23 »
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So? Saints still sin, but their identity isn't in sin, but in Christ who has wiped our sin away. We have a new nature, not a sin nature.

Ephesians 4:24 Put on your new nature, created to be like God—truly righteous and holy.

Colossians 3:10 Put on your new nature, and be renewed as you learn to know your Creator and become like him.

You are changing your angle now, dishonest much?  If you have no longer got a sinful nature, that which keeps you from behaving in sin, and are indwelled by the spirit of God, that which prevents you from giving into temptations of the flesh, how do you still sin?  Since Paul says you are a slave to either the flesh, or the spirit of God, you must add a lot of words to twist it so.
 
The 1 john 1 tale, John says fairly point blank he no longer sins.  He is in fellowshipm those he writes to are not in fellowship with God because they still sin.  John is in fellowship with God they aren't, if they were his joy would be complete.  You must walk in the light AS HE DOES to be in fellowship with Him, and there is no darkness in Him, but those he wrote to still needed some darkness to be washed off, 2:8, but, as they walk that trail to maturity, or being in fellowship with God, IF you sin, christ is your mediator.  All of us have sinned in our lives, and we all need the mediator, so don't be ashamed, this letter was written so you may not sin.  And you are getting close, darkness washed off and you will be.... now, if you still sin, you do not know Him and haven't met him, (sure sounds like ch 1s view on fellowship, no?) But if you are born of Him, you will no longer have that inner life of sin and in fact you can not sin. 

There is 1 john off the top of my head, up to 3:9.

I can go on.  But you won't ev3n face this.  But I would be sinning if I didn't put it before you for your chance to ignore or deny it.

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Re: Humbled and Truthful
« Reply #24 on: Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 00:06:32 »
When we receive Jesus Christ and receive our new nature, we will still sin. Our spirits are perfect and holy, as Christ dwells there, but our mental and emotional selves, the soul, are still in conflict, and rule the body. Paul talks much about that conflict!

God knows all about that, but because of God's great grace, we are cleansed CONTINUALLY of all sin by the blood of Jesus. We walk in the amazing grace of God.

We no longer can live as we used to---that is, continually sinning with nothing to do about it.

1 John 1:7 (AMP)
But if we [really] are living and walking in the Light, as He [Himself] is in the Light, we have [true, unbroken] fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses (removes) us from all sin and guilt [keeps us cleansed from sin in all its forms and manifestations].
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Re: Humbled and Truthful
« Reply #25 on: Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 08:49:18 »
I know you know the difference I. Your answer, and what would have been an answer to my objection.  I'm insulted you seemed to think I wouldn't see your evasion.

When caps were invented is irrevelant as I wasn't discussing symbols and fonts at all.  They said they were catholic in the non propername use of the word.  THAT didn't happen as it is used today until well after Constantine's deatn.

I will defend, AS A PROTESTANT, apostolic authority, disprove sola scriptura, protect sprinkling against rabid baptists, and generally be an apologist for most of your faith's doctrine.  So, please don't insult me with such an evasive, bs answer as you gave me just thenl.



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Has Christianity evolved from Catholicism?

Yes and no.

When the Church was in its infancy, we were called "Christians". That was the first name crafted to the Church founded by Jesus Christ. Just a little short of a hundred years after Christ returned to Heaven, Christianity began to become diverse in its ideology and beliefs. What we call "heresy" became widespread. A major heretical sect was known as Gnosticism. The theology of Gnosticism was so controversial because it was inclusive to theology from other religions, while traditional Christianity was exclusive to only the teachings of Christ, His Apostles and those they ordained to continue on in their roles as teachers.

It was in response to the spread of heresy such as Gnosticism that the orthodox Christian community adopted a new term to distinguish themselves from all heresy. That title was "Catholic" (or the Greek "katholicus"). Hence forth the surname of the Christian Church was the Catholic Church, or the One, Holy, Apostolic, Catholic Church.

In regards to evolution, yes all modern day Christian sects hail from the Catholic Church.

In 451, the Catholic Church experienced its first succession, when the Patriarchate of Alexandria separated from the universal community. Then for about 600 years there were a series of schisms between Rome in the West and Constantinople in the East. The current schism is the result of a formal separation in 1054.

All post reformation sects in the West, including non-denominationals,  broke away from the Roman Catholic Church. Every other Christian on this site apart from myself and about seven others are members of one of those post Protestant Reformation sects.



So to a Muslim you willingly humble yourself and speak truth. The early Christians called themselves Christians, not Catholic, your own words.

The early Church was called the Way, and they claimed to be catholic with a little C, not a big one.

1. Of course it was with a little c alphabets didn't go case sensitive until the 1300's. The title is first recorded in the second century that's more than a thousand years before any developments in case sensitive.

2. The Church was only nominally called the Way in part by a small community in Acts. Catholic was her name. The Way is her Master and Groom.

Don't be so dramatic. No one evaded anything. You stated that St. Ignatius used Catholic as an adjective and not a title because it is lower cased. That's faulty logic because capitalization was not around yet.

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Re: Humbled and Truthful
« Reply #26 on: Thu Aug 02, 2012 - 08:11:03 »
Humble = stand under God, (Under-stand, interpret things in His way, lean not to my own understanding)

Truthful = say/do what He wants to say/do, (I am his channel through which He is to move and have His being).

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Re: Humbled and Truthful
« Reply #27 on: Fri Aug 03, 2012 - 10:25:15 »
It was lighthammer who started this topic, by copying and pasting from another discussion.
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Re: Humbled and Truthful
« Reply #28 on: Wed Oct 05, 2016 - 01:48:48 »
Has Christianity evolved from Catholicism?

Where have you been-?

Christianity evolved from the teachings i.e. verses quoted out of the Old Testament by Jesus Christ. Who just happened to be a Jew.

Jesus spoke often of the verses in the Old Testament.

Some listened, some didn’t  ::tippinghat::

Some still don’t

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