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Justification and Sanctification
« on: Tue Dec 05, 2017 - 09:44:04 »
Justification and sanctification are two Words we Love because they speak of our release of our sinfulness into the fullness of God's Life.

Distinct Words with distinct meanings but one Concept. The Life of Jesus. Where Justification is basically our release from our conscience of sin. And the restoring of the conscience of Jesus in us.

Heb 9:14  How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
1Jn 3:9  Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Col 1:21  And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
Col 1:22  In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
Col 1:23  If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

Although they are not specifically used here we know this is what is spoken about.

By faith we are restored into a Father Child relationship.

And we enjoy our Loving Father.

And as time goes by and He teaches us more and more we seem to understand these words more and more.

And we enjoy them more and more.

It seems He is just taking us deeper and deeper into it.

So although everything is given to us and we understand it very well from the beginning that there is nothing lacking in it our experience of them just opens up more and more.

Like a Child growing and understanding more and more about Life.

Although any Child is born with everything complete any Child has to experience it more and more as He grows older.

Seems we just cannot fathom in the beginning all the richness included in it.

But basically it means that we as a Child of God have been born Complete. We just grow up to walk in it complete. As a Child can not walk the Fullness of God immediately.

But as we Live in them which is basically the Life of Jesus so the next step of the road opens up or the next phase of the Life of Jesus opens up. Like a baby who learns to crawl. He struggles to get it right and then he learns to crawl well and then there is a force pulling him up to start struggling to walk and the road is just ahead to experience more and more. Always something more.

In sanctification God is steadily and surely removing everything that is a hindrance to 100% focused just on Him. He is Holy. He has an undivided attention on us. Nothing is distracting Him. And we need to have it too to be perfect. To much in the world is taking us attention away from Him. It needs to be removed.

Mat 19:21  Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Bit by bit when we are ready. Until we are totally One. And all our treasure is just in heaven.

Mat 6:19  Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
Mat 6:20  But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
Mat 6:21  For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
Mat 6:22  The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
Mat 6:23  But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!
Mat 6:24  No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

We can not built for ourselves a life while our Life is in Jesus in heaven. But we do it. And while we do it we live in righteousness. Our sins are paid. What we do not understand and can not do are paid
in Blood in Full. There is no hindrance by it to our relationship with God.

And we want more of this relationship and more means sanctification. More of the removal of our joy we find in our earthly lifestyle. This is sometimes very painful and called our Cross. But we are never forced. We first desire it and then it is done.

Mat 23:26  Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

So we are called to walk in righteousness. To allow the Word to clean us thoroughly on the inside. And in this right standing and loving relationship with God the outside (our live .. sanctification) "may be clean also".
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Just walk in unbroken sinless relationship with God brought by righteousness which is the Blood of Jesus learning to rely just on the sacrifice.

Do not mind anything that looks contradictory.

2Co 5:7  For we live by faith, not by sight.

And what we can not do God will do according to our wishes which is the fullness of Christ and total One Being.

Joh 17:19  It is for their sakes that I sanctify myself, so that they, too, may be sanctified by the truth.
Joh 17:20  I ask not only on behalf of these men, but also on behalf of those who will believe in me through their message,
Joh 17:21  so that they may all be one. Just as you, Father, are in me and I am in you, may they also be one in us, so that the world may believe that you sent me.
Joh 17:22  "I have given them the glory that you gave me, so that they may be one, just as we are one.

This we can not understand. We can only understand what we are experiencing and not what is coming. But what is coming is for our Glory. He has it and He is restoring it in Us.

Eph 3:18  you will be able to understand, along with all the saints, what is wide, long, high, and deep—
Eph 3:19  that is, you will know the love of the Messiah—which transcends knowledge, and will be filled with all the fullness of God.
Eph 3:20  Now to the one who can do infinitely more than all we can ask or imagine according to the power that is working among us—
Eph 3:21  to him be glory in the church and in the Messiah Jesus to all generations, forever and ever! Amen.

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Re: Justification and Sanctification
« Reply #1 on: Tue Dec 05, 2017 - 10:18:18 »
Justification and sanctification are two Words we Love because they speak of our release of our sinfulness into the fullness of God's Life.

Distinct Words with distinct meanings but one Concept. The Life of Jesus. Where Justification is basically our release from our conscience of sin. And the restoring of the conscience of Jesus in us.
You may mean well, but you are very confused.

We thus define the Gospel justification of a sinner: It is a judicial, but gracious act of God, whereby the elect sinner is absolved from the guilt of his sins, and hath a right to eternal life adjudged to him, on account of the obedience of Christ, understood by the system of faith . Romans 4; and Galatians 3, etc. A person is said to be justified when he is approved of God as free from the guilt of sin and its deserved punishment; and as having that righteousness belonging to him that entitles to the reward of life.

Justification, then, refers not to any subjective change wrought in a person’s disposition, but is solely an objective change in his standing in relation to the law. That to justify cannot possibly signify to make a person inherently righteous or good is most clearly to be seen from the usage of the term itself in Scripture. For example~
Quote from: Solomon
Proverbs 17:15~"He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD"
Now obviously he who shall make a "wicked" person just is far from being an "abomination to the LORD," but he who knowingly pronounces a wicked person to be righteous is obnoxious to Him. Again....
Quote from: Luke
Luke 7:29~"And all the people that heard Him, and the publicans, justified God"
How impossible it is to make the words "justified God" signify any moral transformation in His character; but understand those words to mean that they declared Him to be righteous, and all ambiguity is removed.
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Re: Justification and Sanctification
« Reply #2 on: Tue Dec 12, 2017 - 03:36:43 »
You may mean well, but you are very confused.

We thus define the Gospel justification of a sinner: It is a judicial, but gracious act of God, whereby the elect sinner is absolved from the guilt of his sins, and hath a right to eternal life adjudged to him, on account of the obedience of Christ, understood by the system of faith . Romans 4; and Galatians 3, etc. A person is said to be justified when he is approved of God as free from the guilt of sin and its deserved punishment; and as having that righteousness belonging to him that entitles to the reward of life.

Justification, then, refers not to any subjective change wrought in a person’s disposition, but is solely an objective change in his standing in relation to the law. That to justify cannot possibly signify to make a person inherently righteous or good is most clearly to be seen from the usage of the term itself in Scripture. For example~Now obviously he who shall make a "wicked" person just is far from being an "abomination to the LORD," but he who knowingly pronounces a wicked person to be righteous is obnoxious to Him. Again....  How impossible it is to make the words "justified God" signify any moral transformation in His character; but understand those words to mean that they declared Him to be righteous, and all ambiguity is removed.

When we believe the "explanation of man" and we do not drink these Words the effect which you are describing is our part.

But when we drink it the effect which I described is our part.

1Pe 2:2  As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby: 

When we grow in knowledge of man we just acquire more knowledge while staying the same . . .man

When we grow in "milk" or revelation God creates what is His Character into us.

2Pe 1:4  Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. 

The difference is man vs Jesus.

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Re: Justification and Sanctification
« Reply #3 on: Tue Dec 12, 2017 - 03:59:21 »
When we believe the "explanation of man" and we do not drink these Words the effect which you are describing is our part.

But when we drink it the effect which I described is our part.

1Pe 2:2  As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:

When we grow in knowledge of man we just acquire more knowledge while staying the same . . .man

When we grow in "milk" or revelation God creates what is His Character into us.

2Pe 1:4  Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

The difference is man vs Jesus.

It is impossible to respond to your post since I have no clue what in the world you are attempting to prove by your words....do you?

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Re: Justification and Sanctification
« Reply #4 on: Wed Dec 13, 2017 - 06:16:11 »
It is impossible to respond to your post since I have no clue what in the world you are attempting to prove by your words....do you?

No problem.  There are many ways to put it.

When we try to understand the Word of God we gain knowledge.

If God reveals the mystery to drink the Word we gain Life.

The Life of Jesus is to be created in us.  It can not happen with more knowledge. 

God create by speaking.

And we need His "speaking" in order for the Life of Jesus to be created in us.

And when He speak Righteousness in us then our experience of ourselves as human beings change to that of Jesus.

And we began to enjoy Godly Life.  And in this instance a clean conscience.  We learn what it means to have fellowship with God with the Conscience of Jesus created in us.

We meet with God now on a new Way.

The way of Jesus.  And thus we have the same fellowship that Jesus had.

Heb 10:19  Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, 
Heb 10:20  By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; 
Heb 10:21  And having an high priest over the house of God; 
Heb 10:22  Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.