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Re: Should Christians have a devotion to Mary?
« Reply #105 on: Fri May 01, 2015 - 14:00:16 »
Mary doesn't save people. Jesus does.

Yes, we know that.

And your point?

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Re: Should Christians have a devotion to Mary?
« Reply #106 on: Fri May 01, 2015 - 14:18:18 »
All true Marian devotions will always lead to chrsit as savior.  Look at the holy lives of the saints. 
I personally was healed in an instant from an addiction by saying the rosary for the first time. 

I love what Jesus loves and he loves his mother
Matthew 12:46-50

Jesus’ Mother and Brothers
46 While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. 47 Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”

48 He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”

It says his mother and brothers not the children of Mary these children where from Joseph's 1st marriage Joseph's was older and his first wife died
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They where Jesus's cousins since there was no word for cousin in Aramaic you can see that lot and Abraham are called brothers but are not brothers

That is an entirely made up story to try and  pretend that Mary never had sex with her God given husband, and never had children.Its entirely untrue and unBiblical, I am astounded you cant see that.  ::eek:: ::frown:: ::shrug::
 

There is nothing in the Bible that says that Mary had sex with Joseph.

There is nothing in the Bible that says Mary had other children. There are some things (e.g. "brothers") from which you can infer that Mary had children - but no proof.

There are also some things from which we can infer that the "brothers" mentioned were not Mary's children.

There are many things from which we can infer that Mary remained a virgin.


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Re: Should Christians have a devotion to Mary?
« Reply #107 on: Mon Aug 17, 2015 - 14:49:05 »
What are those things in scripture that we can infer Mary remained a virgin?

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Re: Should Christians have a devotion to Mary?
« Reply #108 on: Mon Aug 17, 2015 - 16:08:33 »
All true Marian devotions will always lead to chrsit as savior.  Look at the holy lives of the saints. 
I personally was healed in an instant from an addiction by saying the rosary for the first time. 

I love what Jesus loves and he loves his mother

Matthew 12:46-50

Jesus’ Mother and Brothers
46 While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. 47 Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”

48 He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”


It says his mother and brothers not the children of Mary these children where from Joseph's 1st marriage Joseph's was older and his first wife died
Or
They where Jesus's cousins since there was no word for cousin in Aramaic you can see that lot and Abraham are called brothers but are not brothers


That is an entirely made up story to try and  pretend that Mary never had sex with her God given husband, and never had children.Its entirely untrue and unBiblical, I am astounded you cant see that.  ::eek:: ::frown:: ::shrug::
 


There is nothing in the Bible that says that Mary had sex with Joseph.

There is nothing in the Bible that says Mary had other children. There are some things (e.g. "brothers") from which you can infer that Mary had children - but no proof.

There are also some things from which we can infer that the "brothers" mentioned were not Mary's children.

There are many things from which we can infer that Mary remained a virgin.


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Re: Should Christians have a devotion to Mary?
« Reply #109 on: Mon Aug 17, 2015 - 16:44:24 »
There is nothing in the Bible that says that Mary had sex with Joseph.

Matthew 1:25  "And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS." (KJV)

Knew - Greek, Ginosko
 Definition
1. to learn to know, come to know, get a knowledge of perceive, feel, to become known
2. to know, understand, perceive, have knowledge of, to understand, to know
3. Jewish idiom for sexual intercourse between a man and a woman
4. to become acquainted with, to know

There is nothing in the Bible that says Mary had other children. There are some things (e.g. "brothers") from which you can infer that Mary had children - but no proof.

Matthew 13:55 "Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?" (KJV)

Matthew 27:56 "Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee's children." (KJV)

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Re: Should Christians have a devotion to Mary?
« Reply #110 on: Mon Aug 17, 2015 - 17:09:14 »
Just want to say, it would be kind of silly to have a husband and not get it on at least once. God never commanded her to remain a virgin, only that she would have a child despite being a virgin. Come on, it's common sense...

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Re: Should Christians have a devotion to Mary?
« Reply #111 on: Thu Dec 03, 2015 - 08:17:59 »
Beware of summoning the dead. We go to God directly.

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Re: Should Christians have a devotion to Mary?
« Reply #112 on: Thu Dec 03, 2015 - 08:23:10 »
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First, I think it's important to clarify.  I do not mean "worship."  By having a devotion, I mean love, honor, respect, and, yes, pray to her.  No, Mary is not God.  However, she has compassion for us, and wants to assist us in our relationship with her son.  She prays for us in the same way that a faithful pastor would pray for his congregation. 


It is dangerous to imagine things about Mary that are not revealed in Scripture. Devotion to any human being is not only a distraction, but easily become idolatry. There is one mediator between God and man and that is Jesus Christ alone. Do not summon the spirits of the dead or petition them to intercede on your behalf. That is strictly prohibited. Jesus bridged the gap between man and God and as Christians who know and believe this, we go directly to God in Jesus name, period.

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Re: Should Christians have a devotion to Mary?
« Reply #113 on: Fri Jan 01, 2016 - 02:09:29 »
God loves Mary and regards her as extra special and so do Catholics but Protestants do not - wincam

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Re: Should Christians have a devotion to Mary?
« Reply #114 on: Fri Jan 01, 2016 - 07:00:18 »
God loves Mary and regards her as extra special and so do Catholics but Protestants do not - wincam
 

God loves all of His children. She was chosen for a special task, as were many in the Bible such as Peter and Abraham and Moses, but she is never to be lifted up above others or prayed to as that is forbidden.

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Re: Should Christians have a devotion to Mary?
« Reply #115 on: Fri Jan 01, 2016 - 07:03:03 »
All true Marian devotions will always lead to chrsit as savior.  Look at the holy lives of the saints. 
I personally was healed in an instant from an addiction by saying the rosary for the first time. 

I love what Jesus loves and he loves his mother
Matthew 12:46-50

Jesus’ Mother and Brothers
46 While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. 47 Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”

48 He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”

It says his mother and brothers not the children of Mary these children where from Joseph's 1st marriage Joseph's was older and his first wife died
Or
They where Jesus's cousins since there was no word for cousin in Aramaic you can see that lot and Abraham are called brothers but are not brothers

That is an entirely made up story to try and  pretend that Mary never had sex with her God given husband, and never had children.Its entirely untrue and unBiblical, I am astounded you cant see that.  ::eek:: ::frown:: ::shrug::
 

There is nothing in the Bible that says that Mary had sex with Joseph.

There is nothing in the Bible that says Mary had other children. There are some things (e.g. "brothers") from which you can infer that Mary had children - but no proof.

There are also some things from which we can infer that the "brothers" mentioned were not Mary's children.

There are many things from which we can infer that Mary remained a virgin.

matthew 1 v 25, take you pick as to which translation you like, they all say the same thing very clearly.
New International Version
But he did not consummate their marriage until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.

New Living Translation
But he did not have sexual relations with her until her son was born. And Joseph named him Jesus.

English Standard Version
but knew her not until she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus.

Berean Study Bible
But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a Son. And he gave Him the name Jesus.

Berean Literal Bible
But he did not know her until she had brought forth a Son, and he called His name Jesus.

New American Standard Bible
but kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a Son; and he called His name Jesus.

King James Bible
And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
but did not know her intimately until she gave birth to a son. And he named Him Jesus.

International Standard Version
He did not have marital relations with her until she had given birth to a son; and he named him Jesus.

NET Bible
but did not have marital relations with her until she gave birth to a son, whom he named Jesus.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And he did not know her sexually until she delivered her firstborn son, and she called his name Yeshua.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
He did not have marital relations with her before she gave birth to a son. Joseph named the child Jesus.

New American Standard 1977
and kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a Son; and he called His name Jesus.

Jubilee Bible 2000
and knew her not until she had brought forth her firstborn son, and he called his name Jesus.

King James 2000 Bible
And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.


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Re: Should Christians have a devotion to Mary?
« Reply #116 on: Fri Jan 01, 2016 - 07:41:57 »
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Should Christians Red have a devotion to Mary
I do, that was my mother's name. The Mary's of the scriptures are all sisters, nothing more.

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Re: Should Christians have a devotion to Mary?
« Reply #117 on: Fri Jan 01, 2016 - 09:56:35 »
My wife and went to Taos, NM for a ski trip with our kids and grandkids over the holidays and one of the days we toured the Taos Pueblo. There was a historic Catholic church on the tour and we were allowed inside. At the front of the small sanctuary there was a huge mural of Mary in the center of the front wall, and over to the right in the corner seemingly as an afterthought was a statue of Jesus that was about 1/3 the size of Mary. I thought that was odd, but wasn't surprised that much.
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Re: Should Christians have a devotion to Mary?
« Reply #118 on: Sun Aug 07, 2016 - 16:06:03 »
There have been so many debates about this here... 

I believe we should have respect for what she was called to do.  Devotion?  No.  We should devote our lives to serving Christ.  Mary is my sister in the Lord, I will be happy to meet her and talk to her about child raising in Heaven.  I owe her no devotion or any kind for what Jesus did for me.  He alone is worthy to be praised. He alone died for my sins and He alone merits my devotion. 

It is more rational to think that He has an eternal influence on her life.  He being the Son of God and she being a human being who He saved on the cross.

Amen, devotion as I understand the meaning is to God alone.    I respect all people, regardless because we are made in God's image.

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Re: Should Christians have a devotion to Mary?
« Reply #119 on: Sat Jul 08, 2017 - 07:37:12 »
Christians should have a devotion to Mary because, as the mother of our savior, she deserves our love and respect.  Christ made her our mother when He died on the cross, and in life she had the greatest influence with Him.  It is rational to think that, even after death, she would still have an enormous influence on Him, which is why it is reasonable to send our petitions to her.  Thoughts?

It should be known that the Roman church has a long history of corrupting the Word of God.   

Beginning with the edicts of Roman Emperor Constantine, who made Christianity a legitimate religion, the Roman church has taken upon itself rules and regulations and interpretations that God did not intend.   Worship of Jesus' mother is one of these.   ONLY Christ is to be worshipped. 

and that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

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Re: Should Christians have a devotion to Mary?
« Reply #120 on: Sun Jul 09, 2017 - 05:28:53 »
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It should be known that the Roman church has a long history of corrupting the Word of God.   

FALSE

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Beginning with the edicts of Roman Emperor Constantine, who made Christianity a legitimate religion, the Roman church has taken upon itself rules and regulations and interpretations that God did not intend.


FALSE


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Worship of Jesus' mother is one of these.

FALSE


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ONLY Christ is to be worshipped. 

FALSE


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and that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

And that's you displaying your ignorance and anti-Catholic bigotry

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Re: Should Christians have a devotion to Mary?
« Reply #121 on: Sun Jul 09, 2017 - 08:25:55 »
Hey winsome! Great to see you  ::smile::


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Re: Should Christians have a devotion to Mary?
« Reply #122 on: Sun Jul 09, 2017 - 08:45:15 »
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It should be known that the Roman church has a long history of corrupting the Word of God.   

FALSE

Quote from: Choir Loft
Beginning with the edicts of Roman Emperor Constantine, who made Christianity a legitimate religion, the Roman church has taken upon itself rules and regulations and interpretations that God did not intend.


FALSE


Quote from: Choir Loft
Worship of Jesus' mother is one of these.

FALSE


Quote from: Choir Loft
ONLY Christ is to be worshipped. 

FALSE


Quote from: Choir Loft
and that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

And that's you displaying your ignorance and anti-Catholic bigotry


Nowhere are we told to worship or venerate Mary. In fact, Jesus plays down her role stating that we are his family.

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Re: Should Christians have a devotion to Mary?
« Reply #123 on: Sun Jul 09, 2017 - 09:00:54 »

Nowhere are we told to worship or venerate Mary. In fact, Jesus plays down her role stating that we are his family.

Catholics do not worship Mary. That piece anti-Catholic bigotry has been made and refuted many times. Repeating it over and over again doesn't make it true.

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Re: Should Christians have a devotion to Mary?
« Reply #124 on: Sun Jul 09, 2017 - 20:11:45 »
I pray that Mom & granma are listening when I visit their graves. Hope their watching & are OK about me. Bible don't say it's bad; so why not !! 7 bill. peeps;GODZ gotta B busy,so maybe a saint or angel will pick up the call. St. Paul said'"pray always ",I think that means keep in a holy frame of mind;don't succumb 2 road-rage, and most of all' don't waste precious time,(we only got little enough) worrying about who GOD loves the most ? Silly hobby ! U pray 10 Rosarys a day & I mumble as I stumble ,Thanx LORD,or "OOPS,dint mean that, As the 'Beatles' sang;"All U need is LOVE !"           peace&popsicles ! pastormarty ::groupprayer::

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Re: Should Christians have a devotion to Mary?
« Reply #125 on: Sun Jul 09, 2017 - 20:19:37 »
The Bible also doesn't say we can't pray 2 those in Heaven. Why all the hate 4 Caths? They burn 1 o' yer Gr. Grannies 4 witchcraft? Well,they got lots o'mine,(gypsies). I just don't hold grudges 4 centuries;upsets me'tummy.

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« Reply #126 on: Sun Jul 16, 2017 - 05:58:48 »
1) The bigger-than-life Mary of Roman Catholicism is a FALSE portrayal of the Biblical Mary (the Bible never portrays Mary as being anything more than a godly woman used by God).

2) She's dead. why have devotion to a dead person?

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Re: Should Christians have a devotion to Mary?
« Reply #127 on: Sun Jul 16, 2017 - 07:22:14 »
The Bible also doesn't say we can't pray 2 those in Heaven. Why all the hate 4 Caths? They burn 1 o' yer Gr. Grannies 4 witchcraft? Well,they got lots o'mine,(gypsies). I just don't hold grudges 4 centuries;upsets me'tummy.
 

Yes it does, we are clearly told not to contact those who have died.

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Re: Should Christians have a devotion to Mary?
« Reply #128 on: Sun Jul 16, 2017 - 08:57:46 »
 

Yes it does, we are clearly told not to contact those who have died.

No it doesn't

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Re: Should Christians have a devotion to Mary?
« Reply #129 on: Sun Jul 16, 2017 - 09:00:04 »
1) The bigger-than-life Mary of Roman Catholicism is a FALSE portrayal of the Biblical Mary (the Bible never portrays Mary as being anything more than a godly woman used by God).

Scripture says she is much more than that.

2) She's dead. why have devotion to a dead person?

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Re: Should Christians have a devotion to Mary?
« Reply #130 on: Mon Jan 01, 2018 - 01:20:44 »
Christians should have a devotion to Mary because, as the mother of our savior, she deserves our love and respect.   

Love and respect? Sure. "devotion"? no, sorry. My devotion is to JESUS DIRECTLY.


Christ made her our mother when He died on the cross,

NOWHERE in the Bible did Jesus "give" mary to us.

He entrusted her to john because He knew john was going to outlive the other apostles.


and in life she had the greatest influence with Him.

Sorry, that is NOT what the Bible shows. Jesus didnt even refer to or recognize her as His mother.


 It is rational to think that, even after death, she would still have an enormous influence on Him,

No offense, but that is nonsense. Jesus is seated at the right hand of God and mary is not in the picture at all, neither are all the other physically dead sinners.


which is why it is reasonable to send our petitions to her.

Praying to a physically dead person? ugh, no thanks. The curtain in the temple was torn so that we can have DIRECT access to God.

Going "through" mary reminds me of a child who, knowing daddy will say "no" will go through mum and ask her to ask him.

Jesus said come unto ME.


 
Can you show me anywhere in the Bible where anyone prays to anyone other than God?

 

     
anything