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WHAT DOES ROM 5:14 MEAN ?
« on: Fri Jan 26, 2018 - 17:23:43 »
 Hi to all and many , on other forums say that their is only one gospel  !!

 Rom 5:14 reads , But death reigned fro  Adam  until  Moses , even over the ones  not  having  sinned after the likeness of the  transgression  of  Adam , who is the  Pattern of the  coming  ( ONE ) !!

 So if there really is one gospel  How were people   saved  from  Adan until  Moses ??

 I have a view , and maybe some one has a better explanation then I  ??

 Let's see !

dan p

 
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Re: WHAT DOES ROM 5:14 MEAN ?
« Reply #1 on: Sat Jan 27, 2018 - 10:03:17 »
Hi to all and many , on other forums say that their is only one gospel  !!

 Rom 5:14 reads , But death reigned fro  Adam  until  Moses , even over the ones  not  having  sinned after the likeness of the  transgression  of  Adam , who is the  Pattern of the  coming  ( ONE ) !!

 So if there really is one gospel  How were people   saved  from  Adan until  Moses ??

 I have a view , and maybe some one has a better explanation then I  ??

 Let's see !

dan p

I don't understand what you see as a problem.

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Re: WHAT DOES ROM 5:14 MEAN ?
« Reply #2 on: Sat Jan 27, 2018 - 14:39:42 »
 Hi and you see no problem , then you are saying that people were saved , HOW  , if there is only  one  Gospel fro Adam until Moses ??

 dan p

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Re: WHAT DOES ROM 5:14 MEAN ?
« Reply #3 on: Mon Jan 29, 2018 - 14:19:02 »
 Hi and this is what I see in Rom 5:14 !!

 #1, And  death  reigned from then on as the verb   REIGNED / BASILEVO  is in the Greek AORIST TENSE od what we call the past tense !!

 #2, Adam was nthe  ONLY  one to have  Free  Will !!

 #3, No one can  EVER  do again what Adam did in the garden as text says ,  even after the  likeness of the tgransgression of Adam !!

 #4 Gen 4:4 says what is even happening today ,   Abel  brought the right  OFFERING  , a Lamb    ,   and Cain  brought the  WORK  of his hands !!

 #5 We have the same problems today ,  I give and have been going to church 50 years   OR  I have been baptized  ETC , ETC !!

 #6 We see that Adam is a  PATTERN  of the old creation !!

 #7 Now , Christ is the  PATTERN  of the new creation !!

 dan p

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Re: WHAT DOES ROM 5:14 MEAN ?
« Reply #4 on: Mon Jan 29, 2018 - 15:40:25 »
Hi and this is what I see in Rom 5:14 !!

 #1, And  death  reigned from then on as the verb   REIGNED / BASILEVO  is in the Greek AORIST TENSE od what we call the past tense !!

 #2, Adam was nthe  ONLY  one to have  Free  Will !!

 #3, No one can  EVER  do again what Adam did in the garden as text says ,  even after the  likeness of the tgransgression of Adam !!

 #4 Gen 4:4 says what is even happening today ,   Abel  brought the right  OFFERING  , a Lamb    ,   and Cain  brought the  WORK  of his hands !!

 #5 We have the same problems today ,  I give and have been going to church 50 years   OR  I have been baptized  ETC , ETC !!

 #6 We see that Adam is a  PATTERN  of the old creation !!

 #7 Now , Christ is the  PATTERN  of the new creation !!

 dan p

Call me dense but I do not understand what you are seeking to know.

First...........

I see this as wrong.
 
#2, Adam was nthe  ONLY  one to have  Free  Will !!

 #3, No one can  EVER  do again what Adam did in the garden as text says ,  even after the  likeness of the tgransgression of Adam !!

Where have you ever read in the Bible thatAdam was the only one to have Free Will?

What are you referencing when you say no one can EVER do again what Adam did in the garden?

If you are talking about eating of the fruit that Eve gave him to eat after she picked it from the tree ... you are correct because we have
no access to that fruit... HOWEVER...If you mean disobeying God's direct order and command...My friend , that is done every day by someone.

You need to come clarify specifically what you are talking about if you want an honest dialogue.

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Re: WHAT DOES ROM 5:14 MEAN ?
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Re: WHAT DOES ROM 5:14 MEAN ?
« Reply #5 on: Sat May 05, 2018 - 14:19:52 »
  Hi and in Rom 5:14 it means that death reigned  from Adan to  Moses !!

 And even  over the  ONES  NOT , NOT  ,  NOT   HAVING  SINNED  after the  likeness of the  transgression of  Adam , in other words  no one can sin and give his authority like Adam did !!

 So if there is only one  GOSPEL  , how were people saved from  Adam to  Moses ??

 dan p

 

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Re: WHAT DOES ROM 5:14 MEAN ?
« Reply #6 on: Sun May 06, 2018 - 17:49:03 »
 Death reigned from Adam to Moses. No one was "saved." ( Maybe at the resurrection of the just.)

The law came and helped atone for sins. (still the same gospel). The O.T. law of works.

Jesus came and brought the free gift of grace through salvation.



 


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Re: WHAT DOES ROM 5:14 MEAN ?
« Reply #7 on: Mon May 07, 2018 - 13:40:23 »
  Hi lea and ture to Heb 11:4 and see how Abel to Moses were saved   , by  Faith and Sacrifice !!

 Gen 4:4 Abel brought the of the  firstlings of his flock and of the  Fat thereof  !!

 Cain is doing what many are doing today , in verse 3 , brought the of the  FRUIT of the ground an  OFFERING unto the Lord , in other words brought the  WORKS OF NHIS HANDS !!

 What are works today ,  I go to church every Sunday , give a tithe , I was water baptized  ETC ETC  WORKS , WORKS  never gets any one saved !!

 So the gospel is called  , FAITH  and  SACRIFICE !!

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Re: WHAT DOES ROM 5:14 MEAN ?
« Reply #8 on: Mon May 07, 2018 - 19:06:09 »
Yes, you're right about the O.T. faithful.
I was thinking of the word "blessed" instead of "saved" because it wasn't clear of what they were being "saved" from.


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Re: WHAT DOES ROM 5:14 MEAN ?
« Reply #9 on: Mon May 07, 2018 - 19:40:20 »
  Hi lea and this is just one of 4  gospels mentioned in the bible !!

 dan p

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Re: WHAT DOES ROM 5:14 MEAN ?
« Reply #10 on: Fri Jun 01, 2018 - 08:36:12 »
People in OT times lived under the Law which was a foreshadowing of the coming of Christ. The Law was our schoolmaster

Galatians 3

21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Those that died before Christ went to Sheol, also known as Paradise or Abraham's Bosom

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Re: WHAT DOES ROM 5:14 MEAN ?
« Reply #11 on: Fri Jun 01, 2018 - 14:00:00 »
  Hi and tnd can you agree that those   BEFORE    Moses  were saved by  FAITH  and  SACRIFICE  as Heb 11:4 and if you do we are in agreement  !!

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