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Offline dan p

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ARE THE 12 APOSTLES IN THE BODY OF CHRIST ?
« on: Sat Jan 27, 2018 - 16:07:49 »
 Hi to all and I have seen this subject on other forums !!

 If there is  a program or Israel   , called the  UN- CIRCUMCISION   and Paul's program is called  THE GOSPEL of  THE   CIRCUMCISION  , how can the 12 apostles be in the  Body of Christ ??

 Read Gal 3:28 and see that is impossible  !!

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Re: ARE THE 12 APOSTLES IN THE BODY OF CHRIST ?
« Reply #1 on: Sun Jan 28, 2018 - 05:17:46 »
Hi to all and I have seen this subject on other forums !!

 If there is  a program or Israel   , called the  UN- CIRCUMCISION   and Paul's program is called  THE GOSPEL of  THE   CIRCUMCISION  , how can the 12 apostles be in the  Body of Christ ??

 Read Gal 3:28 and see that is impossible  !!

 dan p

Paul does't have a different gospel and what Paul preaches in not called 'THE GOSPEL of  THE   CIRCUMCISION'

Gal 2:7 says "had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised".

Paul was to take THE gospel not A gospel to the uncircumcised.

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Re: ARE THE 12 APOSTLES IN THE BODY OF CHRIST ?
« Reply #2 on: Mon Jan 29, 2018 - 13:58:43 »
  Hi and the text reads  " I have been entrusted with the gospel of  THE  UN-CIRCUMCISION  !!

 The Greek ARTICLE  " THE / TES  is used and reads like above and check the Greek text and see !!

 The Greek ARTICLE   " THE "   will always point to a  specific thing and here it points to   gospel  of  THE  UN-CIRCUMCISION  and verse 8 says who Paul means ,  GENTILES / ETHNOS !!

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Re: ARE THE 12 APOSTLES IN THE BODY OF CHRIST ?
« Reply #3 on: Sat Feb 03, 2018 - 02:51:46 »
first define HOW you get INTO the body of Christ, please.

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Re: ARE THE 12 APOSTLES IN THE BODY OF CHRIST ?
« Reply #4 on: Sat Feb 03, 2018 - 08:20:48 »
Paul used the term "my gospel" to differentiate his teachings from the teachings of the Jerusalem church.   The Jerusalem church demanded that Greek/Gentile converts be subject to the Mosaic Law.   The "circumcision" were those Jews in the church who made that demand.   

The Body of Christ includes all who have been saved by putting their faith in the finished work of Christ.   Jews had to turn from their being under the authority of Moses and the Mosaic Law and commit to being under the authority of Christ.  Many of the Gentiles were involved in pagan religions and they needed to turn away from such things and turn to Christ for salvation and reconciliation.   All of mankind needed reconciliation.   There's a lot of bad teaching that I have known and seen as far back as I can remember and that is the teaching that the Old Testament and the New Testament are separate testaments and not related.  Thus we have this false idea that Jews are forever Jews and Gentiles are forever Gentiles because there are two Gospels - or two means of salvation - with one plan of salvation for Jews and another plan for the Greeks/Gentiles.   

There is one Body.   Jesus Christ is the promised offspring of Abraham and those who have put their faith in Him have become joint heirs with Him.   

Gal 3:16  Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, "And to offsprings," referring to many, but referring to one, "And to your offspring," who is Christ.

Gal 3:28  There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29  And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.

Rom 8:16  The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
Rom 8:17  and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, provided we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with him.

Rom 10:11  For the Scripture says, "Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame."
Rom 10:12  For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him.
Rom 10:13  For "everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."



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Re: ARE THE 12 APOSTLES IN THE BODY OF CHRIST ?
« Reply #5 on: Sat Feb 03, 2018 - 09:34:37 »
Another thing that adds to the controversy over the 12 Apostles is the wrong teaching from the Mid-Acts/Hyperdispensationals who clam that Paul was the first member of the Body of Christ.  They claim that Paul was called exclusively to the Gentiles to take the Gospel of Grace to the Gentiles.    Those who believe this also deny that we are now under the New Covenant and they further claim that the New Covenant is for the Jews and it will not be established until Christ sets up His earthly kingdom to rule over Israel.   Again, they separate Israel/The Jews and the Gentiles/The Church.   Even Jews who have gone on in the rapture have to return to be on the Earth with Jesus, while the Gentiles/The Church remain in Heaven which is the destination of the Church who receive "heavenly blessings."  Israel/The Jews receive "earthly blessings" so their final destination is the Earth.  The New Jersusalem is claimed to be the abode of the Church which God brings down and makes planetary to the Earth.   

Lewis Sperry Chafer, the founder of Dallas Theological Seminary, along with others like Bullinger and Stam, have introduced these things to dispensational believers, who were confused in the first place from Scofield's or Dake's teachings.   You can ask an assortment of dispensationals who will be on the Earth during the Millennium and you'll get various answers.  I've asked here for answers.  The few answers I have received are varied.   I think most are reluctant to answer because they really don't know what they think.  They just "know" that God is dealing with Israel in a separate way but really can't consistently explain how or why.  They'll quote the same Scripture but give different interpretations.   It depends on whose teachings were studied.    The Messianics confuse things too.  There is a hesitation to be critical of a Messianic Jew (Genesis 12:3) because they claim a superior position for the Jews/Israel.  A former regular Messianic poster here claimed that Israel did have a preferred position during the Millennium but he was not sure how Gentiles were placed positionally other than they were secondary. 

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Re: ARE THE 12 APOSTLES IN THE BODY OF CHRIST ?
« Reply #6 on: Sat May 05, 2018 - 14:05:22 »
 Hi , and  IF  you believe that the Jews are in the  B O C  give a verse where it says so !~!

 Gal 3:28 and Col 3:11 is a  CLEAR answer , for all !!

 Here is one for you , how was Paul saved with verse  ?

 Here is my answer for you !!

  #1  1 Tim 1:16 and what  FIRST / PROTO  means ?

 #2 , Acts 16:14  !!

 #3 Acts 9:6  , and the Greek word  LORD / KURIOS  is the Key  !!

 #4 Next is 1 Cor 12:3  !!

 #5 Then Rom 10:9  !!

 That is how Paul was saved and those who know their bible is how all person are  saved today !!

 So  IF  you disagree , explain how you were saved ??

 If you can see what these verses mean , say so and will be glad to explain them !!

 dan p
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Re: ARE THE 12 APOSTLES IN THE BODY OF CHRIST ?
« Reply #7 on: Fri Jun 01, 2018 - 08:10:57 »
Its faith and belief in the body of Christ that makes you part of the body of Christ, not whether or not you are circumcised, man!


Galatians 3:28   | View whole chapter   | See verse in context
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
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Re: ARE THE 12 APOSTLES IN THE BODY OF CHRIST ?
« Reply #8 on: Fri Jun 01, 2018 - 14:23:37 »
  Hi and verse in Gal 3:28  has 4  verbs  ALL  IN THE GREEK   PRESENT TENSE !!

This means that only Paul presented   who is in the Body of Christ  !!

 The first 3  verbs  CANNOT BE  /  ENI  means that there  CANNOT  BE , THERE  CANNOT  BE ,   and  means  THERE  CANNOT  BE  Jews    NOT   Greeks      THERE  CANNOT  BE /  ENI   Slaves    NOR  Free  , there  CANNOT BE / ENI   Male   and  Female  for you  ARE / ESTE  all  one  " in Christ  >"

 It means  THERE  CANNOT  BE  , EVER  !!

 This means the  MARY  is not in Heaven   NOR  THE  QUEEN  of Heaven !!

 So we    ARE / ESTE  , in the present tense  , because the  Present tense means  CONTINUOUS  ACTION  which means  OSAS  !!

  By the way Col 3:11 is the same and more !!

 dan p