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"more than conquerors" Romans 8:31-39
« on: Sat Mar 02, 2013 - 21:19:30 »
"more than conquerors" Romans 8:31-39

"What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?" (Romans 8:31) I think of how Joseph's brothers "hated him and could not speak peaceably to him." (in Genesis 37:4) And they sold him into slavery in Egypt, but with God he then became lord of all the resources of Egypt and used this to save those brothers and their families and many other people from starving to death. And they were restored into family sharing with each other > when he had them in his power to get back at them, any way he wanted, here is how he handled it >

"Joseph said to them, 'Do not be afraid, for am I in the place of God? But as for you, you meant evil against me; but God meant it for good, in order to bring it about as it is this day, to save many people alive. Now therefore, do not be afraid; I will provide for you and your little ones.' And he comforted them and spoke kindly to them." (Genesis 50:19-21)

So, with God Joseph turned the tables so he was speaking to them "kindly", even after they could not speak "peaceably" with him (c:
"not returning evil for evil or reviling for reviling, but on the contrary blessing, knowing that you were called to this, that you may inherit a blessing." (1 Peter 3:9) So, with God for us, we can get into family loving, even with ones who have been hateful against us (c: With God, then, we do not only get our own troubles taken care of, but we become able to help and bless others along with us (c:

"You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies," David says in Psalm 23:5. And, lo and behold, God made the way for those brothers of Joseph to eat at table with him in Egypt! (c: > Genesis 43:15-34. And this was used to get the brothers into family relating with Joseph, instead of hating him.

So, God is for us, much more than for solving problems >


"He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things?" (Romans 8:32)

Not only do we have all creation shared with our Father (1 Corinthians 3:21-23), but we have God, Himself. And He shares His very own love with us >
"Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us." (Romans 5:5) He loves us, in us, "in our hearts" >

"'I will heal their backsliding,
. I will love them freely,
. For My anger has turned away from him.'"

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(Hosea 14:4)

He loves us
"freely"; so God "freely" giving us "all things" includes how we have God Himself sharing His very own Heaven's love with us . . . now . . . "in our hearts".

And He wants us also to freely love any and all people, like we have Paul as our example > "And I will very gladly spend and be spent for your souls; though the more abundantly I love you, the less I am loved." (2 Corinthians 12:15)

But are we with God, like this? God is with us, loving us (c: But we need to be with Him in how He is loving "freely", in order to be connected with how He is doing good, including so we may join with Him in how He is freely loving others and not only us, ourselves. One thing He gives is healing of our backsliding way of loving.

"Confess your trespasses to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much." (James 5:16) We can be "healed" together with God in His way of loving > Ephesians 4:31-5:2. As you can see, this is all in the Bible > God is committed to making this work; so, just as I am and just as you are, let us trust our Father to heal us to do better (c:

In Romans 8:34, we have that Jesus
"makes intercession for us." So, we do not depend only on how we are to pray, or on our prayer heros, but we have Jesus Himself praying for us . . . according to His own faith to get all we can be and share with God.

And we with one another are included in all the love blessings our Father freely gives us. But, in order to connect with this with other Christians, we need to be ready, including with
"longsuffering" (Ephesians 4:2) and forgiveness (Ephesians 4:32), so that we are with God and can detect and connect with our Jesus love people, and then be ready for loving any and all people, not to let anyone have power over us to separate us from our family love with God and each other.

Romans 8:35-39 says no one and nothing is able to separate us from God's love. But being in God's love includes how we share intimately and personally and sweetly with one another of God's family caring and sharing love,
"tenderhearted" (Ephesians 4:31-32, 1 Peter 3:8-9). In this loving we have almighty power to keep us, deeply and emotionally. But with our idols of independence and our excuses we have weakness so we can get hurt and keep on suffering and failing.

So, all this scripture can make it clear what God means where He says,

"Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us." (Romans 8:37)

In all the "things" we go through, we do not use only things that "conquerors" use to win and get what "conquerors" are able to get. Conquerors use military power, fear, charm and harm, lying and bribing, force and favoritism, complaining and arguing . . . to be over others in order to get what they want . . . while they can hide with their idol of independence, unable to share in close relating with other people. They miss out on so much.

"God is with us, but are we with Him?" - - - if we are with You, LORD our Father and Jesus our Groom (c: > we have all You mean by sharing
"all things" with us "freely". Most of all, I consider now, is how we can be sharing as family with You and each other. So . . . please heal us into this with You (c: and how You have us reaching with hope of sharing this with any person, at all . . . that we "freely" love any and every person, give all we can that You please and Your grace makes us able to do with each person, to reach everyone with this hope which You, Jesus, had on the cross. And this, I consider, is included in all You mean by carrying our cross. So, thank You for desiring more and better than we have been believing and arguing for!! (c:

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"more than conquerors" Romans 8:31-39
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Re: "more than conquerors" Romans 8:31-39
« Reply #1 on: Sun Mar 03, 2013 - 00:00:44 »
I've thought about Joseph a lot. When all ends well, he's not angry, but I can't help but wonder if he never grumbled while being at the bottom of the well, a slave, and the dungeon, knowing full-well which people were the reason for all that misery. One thing's for sure, though, that once they saw Joseph as ruler of Egypt they sure didn't hesitate to admit their wrongdoing.

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« Reply #2 on: Sun Mar 03, 2013 - 04:48:50 »
I've thought about Joseph a lot. When all ends well, he's not angry, but I can't help but wonder if he never grumbled while being at the bottom of the well, a slave, and the dungeon, knowing full-well which people were the reason for all that misery. One thing's for sure, though, that once they saw Joseph as ruler of Egypt they sure didn't hesitate to admit their wrongdoing.

Greetings Cally,

He humbly submitted to God's  Read Genesis 45:5-8 (I am saying this not for your sake, for I know you believe this, but for others) He submitted to God' sovereignty over all things, as the reason why things happen the way that they did.  Regardless, what some believe who profess to believe the scriptures, God directs every thing in our life, for his own purpose and glory and for our own good, even though at the time, we may not like what we are going through.  He is infinite wise and full of goodness toward his own. God has left nothing to chance with his elect. 

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« Reply #3 on: Sun Mar 03, 2013 - 11:49:35 »
I've thought about Joseph a lot. When all ends well, he's not angry, but I can't help but wonder if he never grumbled while being at the bottom of the well, a slave, and the dungeon, knowing full-well which people were the reason for all that misery. One thing's for sure, though, that once they saw Joseph as ruler of Egypt they sure didn't hesitate to admit their wrongdoing.

Greetings Cally,

He humbly submitted to God's  Read Genesis 45:5-8 (I am saying this not for your sake, for I know you believe this, but for others) He submitted to God' sovereignty over all things, as the reason why things happen the way that they did.  Regardless, what some believe who profess to believe the scriptures, God directs every thing in our life, for his own purpose and glory and for our own good, even though at the time, we may not like what we are going through.  He is infinite wise and full of goodness toward his own. God has left nothing to chance with his elect. 

RB




Yes, absolutely. It is a glorious thing, isn't it? All the plans of the evil one blow in his face to proclaim God's glory. God always wins, and he gets the best of his enemy's evil intentions all the way around! The story of Joseph is a perfect example. Joseph, who was faithful, got to taste the wondrous plan of God, redeeming evil into good, because of his faithfulness.

Indeed it is amazing the elegance of how God dovetails all of these things--all of these events that have so much meaning. When we're in the middle of these things it is so hard to "feel" but at the end we know how true it really is that God had orchestrated all things to proclaim his glory.

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for His glory, yes, and for our good, too (c:
« Reply #4 on: Tue Mar 05, 2013 - 13:33:04 »
So, He works things for His glory, and it is for our good.

Cally, I think Joseph could have had times or moments when he gave in to doubting or whatever, because he was not perfect.

And I notice how his first son's name was Manasseh > "For God has made me forget all my toil and all my father's house." (in Genesis 41:51) So, I can see this means he did sorrow and suffer and miss his family, but God used an actual circumstance with blessing to help him be comforted and encouraged. And he named his second son Ephraim > "For God has caused me to be fruitful in the land of my affliction." (in Genesis 41:52) So, he did feel affliction, I would say, however that was.

Plus, his brothers knew he suffered; they said, "we saw the anguish of his soul when he pleaded with us, and we would not hear" (in Genesis 42:21).

So, he had feelings. And they missed out on love, so much, by not being able to feel for him. But while he was in prison, we might notice how he noticed when those other prisoners "were sad." (in Genesis 40:6) And he asked why, and then this led to him interpreting their dreams so that got him attention so he got his meeting with Pharaoh. So, Cally, I can see that because he cared how others felt, this helped to open the door for him to meet, eventually, with Pharaoh.

What if he had cared less that two guys in prison were sad? A number of people would say, "What else is new? They're in prison. Why ask stupid questions?" But each person is different; ones don't all have the same reason for what they do, how they react, why they do what looks like the same as others do.

So, he was faithful . . . and loving.

But first he was in Potiphar's house. He had charge of things and people, but then . . . with a trouble along the way to take that away . . . then was when he went on to more. A trouble can be perfectly designed to take away something, in order to make room for more . . . more loving!! ::smile:: > he got not only more power, but he got his own family and then reconciliation with his brothers and being with all of them who came to be with him.

"So, troubles can be surgery to remove what is not enough of all God has for us."

In Genesis 45:4-11 > right when he first lets his brothers know who he is, he shows he is totally clear that his brothers did not send him to Egypt, but God did so he could be used to rescue his family from the famine. So, he had faith this ready to go and this practical, even though he did so suffer and could feel, and "maybe" was not perfect about things, all the time.

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for His glory, yes, and for our good, too (c:
« Reply #4 on: Tue Mar 05, 2013 - 13:33:04 »