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Re: win in us - - new > "How love has us know" (Reply #34)
« Reply #35 on: Mon Nov 28, 2011 - 07:36:46 »
Call me blind comfy, it wasn't until after I highlighted your words that I could see them.  ::smile::

The other day I was reading 2 John 1:5 And now, dear lady, I am not writing you a new command but one we have had from the beginning. I ask that we love one another. 6 And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love.

I just couldn't get it until I read your words. God has truly blessed you with a gift, I hope other people that need something more can find it in your God given words too.

We can't continue to blame ourselves or anyone else because Jesus never did and that's my new walk in love.

Thank you God for Comfy!

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Re: win in us - - new > "How love has us know" (Reply #34)
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« Reply #36 on: Wed Nov 30, 2011 - 02:09:33 »
God bless you, too, Bitter Sweet . . . thanks for stopping by ::smile:: bill

Here is a message I shared with a love friend who may not be able to stay in touch with me; I have made some changes in this message >

Now . . . I hear the nice sound of rain, one of my favorite things (c: We enjoy each other and love each other by faith and be satisfied by God. God's love has communication deeper than words. All else comes after having the deeper communication. And this deep communication is in the Holy Spirit and does not depend on how far or close we are, but God does not change between us, whether He is a few inches between us or He is all the way between the ends of the earth from each other. So rest and enjoy.

With my phone pal I did some in Philippians, and then to Psalms. We have talked about how the Philippians were more obedient after Paul was away, because God kept making them more and more obedient. Philippians 2:12-13. And we talked about how it says to do everything "without" any complaining or arguing. And if you are "without" something, how much do you have? None, at all. If you are "without" food, you have no food, at all. If you are truly "without" clothes . . . how much clothing are you wearing? So, we need to be without complaining and arguing, so that we are not feeding ourselves any complaining or arguing, inside ourselves, and so we are not wearing any complaining or arguing. But in us and not only in what we show, we are to have not complaining or arguing. And this is so that inside us we can become blameless and harmless and without fault. And this can be right in this evil world, so that this evil world is not deciding how we are.

Then we went to Psalm 77, and we read about how God did great works but the people rebelled. And the writer was saying things were coming down on him so much, more than he could take, so he wondered where God was. But then he meditated on God and all God had done, already.

And in our group we talked about how God used Joshua to lead the Israelites into the promised land. We started Joshua, chapter one. God told Joshua that Moses was dead. Then He took Joshua from there. I saw how God could mean, Moses is dead so you, Joshua, are the one now to do what can be done. Do not keep thinking about how you thought Moses was; he did not do what you can do, now. All he did was lead the rebellious Jews around in the wilderness until they were all dead. You, though, can now lead the people into the promised land. So, never mind trying to copy-cat Moses, because you have better to do. You will do greater works than Moses did. And Jesus says we will do greater works than He did. But people are looking for this to mean miracles and signs and wonders. But greater works can simply mean whatever Jesus has you doing. Because what you do can minister the church into how Jesus is and building up the church.

His miracles healed physical bodies, but then those healed people might have only lived selfish lives. So, building the body of Jesus can be greater than all the miracles and casting out of devils by Jesus! If you help to build people in love, this is greater.

So, it does not matter who is removed from your way . . . whether me or anyone else . . . so you can do what God has you grow and go on to do. But there are ones who can share with you and not hold you back. And we can do this, whether you see us or not. Paul was so great and Paul was so intimately involved with ones he brought to Jesus. But Paul was not always with the ones he so dearly loved. But they became more obedient while Paul was absent, because God was giving the increase to Paul's ministry; and so Paul's ministry was truly successful.

So - - - . . . thank you (c: willie

"Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure. Do all things without complaining and disputing, that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world, holding fast the word of life, so that I may rejoice in the day of Christ that I have not run in vain or labored in vain." (Philippians 2:12-16)

"But we were gentle among you, just as a nursing mother cherishes her own children." (Philippians 2:7)

"'Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father.'" (John 14:12)
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« Reply #37 on: Sat Dec 03, 2011 - 17:51:01 »
It is so pleasant to be quiet with God. To be simple, and He can do deeply what He wants. I may not know what He is doing, how He is preparing me, what He may be programming me for! (c: Quietly and deeply the computer can be programmed with many things and so more complicated than we have the intelligence to understand and the memory to keep track of. May be, then, this is "why" He does not give us explanations of things > in His programming and coordinating, He has us connected and orchestrated with all He is doing with people all around the earth and with the lives of past and future people. He is micro-detailing, micro-managing, all-working; and how it all connects and relates with us "could" be so more than we can understand or keep track of.

It is not a reason only about ourselves.

"It's not about me;
so it sure is not about you . . .
but it's all about Jesus
on Calvary's tree,
how He shed His blood
for you and for me,
that we might be
in the unity
of the Holy Spirit
who makes us one
in God's own love
for eternity."

So, He may not give us an explanation, but this can be like how we enjoy being with our human father while he does not tell us all the surprises he has for us for Christmas (c:

"Gifts of Christmas"

Yes, we can spend all day
  looking at the wrapping
       and be clapping
           about the labels.
But you need to *open* your gifts  (c:
It does not matter if
  they are institutionalized
      ones with ribbons,
 or just covered with paper
     or copy-cat patterns.
  Open each gift and see
     who is inside, for us to love  (c:

"The Snow Job"

Now that I'm on top of the hill,
  my face is being stung by
 these swarms of snowflakes
  busy making the hilltop
   bedtime blanket of white.

And there > down in the distant night >
   I see a light, and it's getting bigger,
     then splits into t-w-o lights;
   so it's getting closer, coming at me
      in a swirling cloud of white ! !

Then I hear the mighty engine's
   rumbling accompanied by a muffled
   grumbling of the blade on asphault
       as it is
   tumbling dirt and snow out of the way.

So, no . . . it's not a ghost, but the
        WOW-plow passing by  (c:
  But it's heading straight toward me;
    so I scurry to get out of the way,
     wading up to my thighs
      in a roadside snow drift, where I am
     s-t-i-l-l right in the path of that swath.

But the truck turns out and around me,
    then stops (all that power and authority,
      and He s-t-o-p-p-e-d, for *me*!);
  the passenger door swings open, and
     "Co-MON, get IN," he calls;
    so I stumble and hurry to the running board
     where I need to kneel before I can
     crawl and haul myself up into the seat.

And here I am kissed by the warmth of the cab,
   while being treated to the intriguing delight
  of seeing all that blowing coldness
     and flakiness of this world's snow job
   *now* being bounced
        from right before my eyes
      while I just rest and ride
          with the Master at the wheel  (c:

"Polar and Warmer"

That polar bear
has come down
the river's trough, again,
shedding its fur
all over the place,
before God got around
to vacuuming up
what it left, the last time.

And I'm on this bridge
where my face is being
bitten by the polar breath . . .
while ducks are swimming,
   down below,
     with the ice floes (c:

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« Reply #38 on: Sat Dec 03, 2011 - 17:54:38 »
beautiful and free . . .

God's artwork done faster and better than any artist
could spends days trying to do;
and each piece of His work can be only for a moment.
Like this, during each day . . . every moment can be
God's love art (c: in how we love others.

This bull moose may not look exactly handsome,

but he's got what he needs, so he can get through the
winter water and snow, and be big and strong enough,
and able to last long enough through the cold season.
He is great because he was brought up gently,
so he was not squashed or injured before he had
grown big and strong >

"Your gentleness has made me great."
. . . . . . . . . . . .(in Psalm 18:35)

1 Peter 3:1-4 shows me how "without a word" a Christian wife
can win her disobedient husband, while she is being a
good example in love's "incorruptible beauty of a
             gentle and quiet spirit,
which is very precious in the sight of God."

"Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass,
     you who are spiritual restore such a one
               in a spirit of gentleness,
considering yourself lest you also be tempted." (Galatians 6:1)


and growing

While we rest, this can be time when we grow stronger

in Your love, LORD our Father, so we will be strong in love
while with people and doing things . . .

in Your peace ruling us >

"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts,
    to which also you were called in one body;
         and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)

So, this peace is for being with others who are Your children.
So, we have Your peace for being able to relate
"without complaining and disputing" (Philippians 2:14)
with others, and not only to make ourselves feel good
by ourselves or only with certain ones who are our favorites ! ! ! (c:

So, I can see that we can't have Your love and peace while
we are trying to stay by ourselves and have just the lives
that we want. But >

"in the presence of my enemies", we have
all that You have for us, of Your own table
prepared before us . . . to offer to share
with anyone.
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« Reply #39 on: Tue Dec 06, 2011 - 16:12:40 »
"Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort," (2 Corinthians 1:2-3)
So, God is "the God of all comfort" > it says "all comfort" > so, true comfort comes only from God Himself. So, drugs and sex and people and pleasures and security and copy-cat religious practice are not sources of real comfort, I can see > they can be idols, gods of false comfort. But yes, I would say God does use people and things and circumstances, to help to comfort us, but real comfort starts from God,
"who comforts us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort those who are in any trouble, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God." (2 Corinthians 1:4)
So, God does not comfort us just so we can feel better and feel good, ourselves. But God is all-loving; so He has us sharing our comfort with others, also. Our cups run over (c:
And Paul says we can comfort people "who are in any trouble" > God's comfort succeeds against how evil would use "any trouble" to effect us. And notice how it says you don't have to have been in the same situation as someone you desire to comfort; but with God it is possible for you to help anyone "in any trouble". And because it is God in us who is giving us our comfort, this comfort works even while we don't have any pleasures or people or circumstances present which we could try to use for comfort. Because God's comfort is almighty in His power greater than "any trouble"!!! (c:
So, while we are being comforted in God's love, this love has us also busy with caring for others, doing how we can to bless them, too, "with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God."
But we humans can pray to God only or mainly when we get into something we can't handle. This is not depending on Him, all the time. Praying as a self-dependent person does not work so well. We need to not be trying to just use God for handling problems. But our Father loves us; so He desires to share with us His children, all the time.
The best of time is for God (c:
"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15) Why be on "time out" from living in God's peace??? If we are obeying how God is ruling us in His peace, we already have the comfort of this peace, before "any trouble" arrives. God bless you, too (c:
So - - - if we are in God's love during problems, we are busy with caring as much about others as ourselves; and so in caring about others also we have His all-caring love's power almighty to make us strong against however wrong people would effect us. We ought not to allow evil to decide how we are "and where our attention goes"!!!! But be attentive to God during trouble, and caring about others as ourselves . . . like how Jesus was, on the cross > Jesus prayed, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do." (in Luke 23:34) So He was caring even about those people who were still busy hating and torturing and cursing Him. He was not only trying to solve His own problem.
"For if you love those who love you, what reward have you?" (in Matthew 5:46) When we are in selfish picky and choosy loving, we are in weakness so we can get hurt and suffer. But in all-loving, we are already in comfort ready-to-go . . . faster than fast food (c:

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« Reply #40 on: Fri Dec 09, 2011 - 18:17:04 »
"making melody in your heart to the Lord" (in Ephesians 5:19) 

a good diet for your heart (c:

being in the beauty of His love's melody

And this satisfies us so we are not going after satisfaction of foods not good for us. 

Yes, God will trust you with people as you become the way He wants us to be as His examples.

"nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:3)

And before He trusts us with people, we need to become the way God's love has us relating so it is good for us to have the people God is trusting us to love, so that we aren't getting the wrong way about people while we are involved with them.

"Do all things without complaining and disputing," (Philippians 2:14) Complaining is a bad example, and arguing gets us hurt while we are trying to dominate and control, instead of how love has us "submitting to one another in the fear of God." (Ephesians 5:21) "with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffering, bearing with one another in love," (Ephesians 4:2) Even our good example people can be wrong, at times ("even Barnabas" messed up > Galatians 2:11-13); so we need to always be ready to be longsuffering and be there for them in prayer when they get in trouble (Galatians 6:1) . . . instead of feeling betrayed and hurt and being critical about how they have failed us, etc. But "be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might," (in Ephesians 6:10) in order that wrong people and evil can not have power over us to decide how we are and how we see things!!! (c: "Be a good example for those who have been there for us with their good example (c:" when they need us to be good example for them the way they have been loving and good with us, yes!

"'Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.'" (John 14:27) So, Jesus says not to let our heart be troubled; do not let any person or power or thing have power to get us troubled. And Jesus provides us His own peace with His own power almighty to protect us so we can not be troubled (c: So, whatsoever Jesus desires of us He provides all we need to do all this (c:


Philippians 4:1 > "Therefore, my beloved and longed-for brethren, my joy and crown, so stand fast in the Lord, beloved." So Paul was not just preaching to them and showing off his authority, but loving us . . . "But we were gentle among you, just as a nursing mother cherishes her own children." (1 Thessalonians 2:7). "And I will very gladly spend and be spent for your souls; though the more abundantly I love you, the less I am loved." (2 Corinthians 12:15)

"I implore Euodia and I implore Syntyche to be of the same mind in the Lord. And I urge you also, true companion, help these women who labored with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the Book of Life." (Philippians 4:2-3)

I consider it possible, that Euodia and Syntyche had gotten into a fight or some other problem with each other, and Paul was begging them to get back together and do better. Even if they had gotten into un-Christian stuff against each other, I see Paul could be saying that they were God's servants and they should do better and the people should help them and support them, and not just criticize them for failing. In another situation, Paul says, "even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy," we have in Galatians 2:13. So, yes even our God-approved leaders can get in trouble. So, we should be ready in prayer to be there for them the way they have helped us.

And then Paul says >

"Rejoice in the Lord always. Again I will say, rejoice!" (Philippians 4:4) Instead of letting your attention get tied up with how you see something wrong with another person, be rejoicing in Jesus with our attention to Jesus and how He is (c:

"Let your gentleness be known to all men. The Lord is at hand." (Philippians 4:5) But . . . oh-oh . . . I have been trying to make myself known for how I know so much about God and the Bible; instead, may I be known for my gentleness of Jesus!!!! (c: And I suspect we have people who are trying to be known for how attractive and charming they can look and act. "Owe no one anything except to love one another," we have in Romans 13:8 > so, what we really owe, is to love. We do not owe ourselves only that we make a lot of money, get our golf score down, get a bigger TV, be better than others in sports, or that we look the way this selfish world dictates and demands that we look (c:

"Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God; and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus." (Philippians 4:6-7)

So, the Bible does say for us to make requests to God, but "with thanksgiving". I'd say this can mean that we ask God for things, but we are in thanksgiving, meaning we are already being satisfied - - unconditionally satisfied because of being in God's love . . . so that we are content, whether or not God gives us what we may ask. Thanksgiving means we so appreciate our Father. And if we say thank you, this means it is enough, whatever we are thanking for; so we are not only using prayer to try to use God for what we want.

In the Garden of Gethsemane (Matthew 26:36-46), Jesus prayed, "O My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as You will." (in Matthew 26:39) So, Jesus did make known His request that our Father remove the cup of all that Jesus would suffer on Calvary. But with this request Jesus, right away, said, "nevertheless, not as I will, but as You will." So, Jesus was praying with thanksgiving appreciation of our Father and such appreciation of our Father's will, that Jesus was willing to so suffer if it was our Father's will for Him to suffer instead of getting what He was requesting from our Father. So, I can see this means that if we truly appreciate our Father, then we are willing to even suffer instead of getting what we want, if He wants this. And this is our "thanksgiving": how we are so satisfied in His love, that we value His will more than things we might like to have.

Philippians 4:11-13 > "Not that I speak in regard to need, for I have learned in whatever state I am, to be content: I know how to be abased, and I know how to abound. Everywhere and in all things I have learned both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need. I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." So, Paul had unconditional satisfaction.

So, God bless us (c: Thank You, God our Father, for all this, how You mean this and Your love's action in us makes us growing to be relating with You more and more this way in Your Son Jesus, amen we offer in the name of Jesus our Lord and Savior and Groom. Please evaluate us by this standard and win in us, succeeding . . . amen ! ! ! ! (c:

Oh yes, and it says how Your peace "will guard" our "hearts and minds through Christ Jesus" while we obey how You have us praying. Your peace with Your almighty power protects us so our heart is not troubled by any complaining, arguing, hurts, depression, nasty angry reacting, unforgiveness and bitterness "or being irritable". Amen. Thank You so much; so if we fail in this in any way, may we trust You to have us doing better . . . instead of being troubled with guilt or disappointment or frustration or boredom or loneliness. Because we are Your children, and children do need how their parents help them to learn and do better (c:

Please do bless us with Your beauty (1 Peter 3:4), Your love (Romans 5:5), Your melody (Ephesians 5:19) amen!!!

God bless you, too (c: thanks for stopping by, good to see you (c: Well, this is what I woke up to, this morning . . . that I need this. So, thank you to whoever prays this to me and all of us! (c: bill

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« Reply #41 on: Sat Dec 17, 2011 - 06:27:53 »
With Jesus we have light

and we are safe.

Hi (c: Now I'm up at about twenty-five after six, after I got up at around two in the morning, I think. And I have been writing on the Net. And I think I'll offer some of a meditation I just did about the two trumpets that the LORD told Moses to make. It is long and I plan to send some, at a time, this time. So, it is good to see you. And we have colder weather, here, but it was blowing and nice enough to dry my clothes outside after I hand washed them (c: And we just had a Christmas dinner at a church in town. But I was somewhat short-tempered about people doing things that got in my way of doing the dishes. I was too much into just accomplishing the dish washing, I would say, instead of first being into enjoying the LORD and loving the people caringly. So, I need to be better all the time the way God has me relating in love > "tenderhearted" (Ephesians 4:32) "with longsuffering" (in Ephesians 4:2). Here is our start (c: >

"The Two Silver Trumpets"

Numbers 10:1-10 >

God told Moses to make two silver trumpets (Numbers 10:1-2). The trumpets were used for calling for the assembly of all the Jews (Numbers 10:3), or calling gathering of "the leaders, the heads of the divisions of Israel" (Numbers 10:4), and calling for the whole nation to journey to another location (Numbers 10:5-6), and they would "sound an alarm with trumpets" when going to war against the enemy (Numbers 10:9). "'Also in the day of your gladness, in your appointed feasts, and at the beginning of your months, you shall blow the trumpets over your burnt offerings and over the sacrifices of your peace offerings; and they shall be a memorial for you before your God: I am the LORD your God.'" (Numbers 10:10) So, these trumpets were used for various things of the Jews' lives, to get their attention and as a memorial before God.

So, what might these two silver trumpets represent about Jesus and our New Testament way of living? Thanksgiving has our attention to God, and I would say is a memorial before Him. So, we can see we need to have thanksgiving in gathering together, receiving God's direction, fighting the enemy, and in keeping track of days and celebrations and in making our sacrifices of love, "giving thanks always for all things to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ," (Ephesians 5:20) "Therefore by Him let us continually offer the sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of our lips, giving thanks to His name." (Hebrews 13:15)

I can see the trumpets and their blowing mean God wants to be involved in everything in our lives, like how the trumpets were for assembly (our unity in Jesus); announcing it was time for them to journey onward (getting God's direction about when He wants us to do something, including when He wants us to move on somewhere or to another relationship or ministry); going to war (our spiritual fighting against the enemy); and these trumpets were used during celebration, the first day of a month, and during sacrifices > like this, in our celebrating and "spiritual sacrifices", of course, God wants to be sharing with us >

"you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ." (1 Peter 2:5)

So, it is good to see you, and thanks for stopping by (c: God bless you, too (c: bill

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Re: win in us - - new > "safe at home (c:" (Reply #41)
« Reply #42 on: Sun Dec 18, 2011 - 22:57:03 »
Ok, so we be patient. And frustration can be stubborn and doesn't get us anywhere; so we need to trust God against negative stuff so we become free and peaceful and then clear to know and do what is good. "Test all things; hold fast what is good." (1 Thessalonians 5:21) Test the thing and see what is good - - - what already is good and what is good to do. Yeah, I did just send you this quote. But it can be good to eat certain things, more than once . . . like oranges (c: There are things of God's word that we need to keep feeding on, not just once. When a trouble comes, test it, in prayer give it a hard time, make trouble for it by trusting God instead of going along with how it would have us be. lololololol Well, I need to do better, myself, with this. But even though it can seem like you or I are not getting anywhere with something, still I get that I should keep praying with hope for how God is able to have us be better in our character and how we see things and how we are loving; so in a problem a main thing is not only solving the trouble, but dealing with how in us we need our character changed more to be in God's love and this meaning we will have His love's way of reacting and seeing things and having creative ways of taking care of anything - - - because of being creative in our Creator's love. I say in our character, because we can have ideas and verses about what to do, but we need the right nature and character for doing it (c: It is not like a cookbook recipe that any person can just put together and get the same result; oh but a real cook can get a very different result, because of the experience and the maturing of that person! (c: Maturing included, I would say, as a person, so the person is better able to relate with people and communicate so the person can be better able to learn and gain from others. And I would say not to make a big deal out of things of this life > "If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God." (Colossians 3:15) So, while we may have things we prefer and enjoy in this life, first we need to be seeking the things which are where Jesus is. And humble what is in this world, humble by not making a big deal out of what is this life's stuff.  There are things that Satan uses to call for our attention away from God. So, there is the attention battle that I think is included in our spiritual warfare. So our attention is first to seeking those things above, and this meaning we become stronger so we don't get messed up when Satan and people mess with us and our things we like and need. We need to be ready to do with or without something, so these things can't be used to get power over us > "I will not be brought under the power of any," Paul says in 1 Corinthians 6:12. I guess you could say, have something in this life for security or enjoyment, but don't get married to it (c: Or else, we can get tangled and mangled by something because of the strings Satan has attached to it; so this is an emotional battle to win, that my emotions all belong to God in His love, with gentle and humble emotions > Jesus is "gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls." (in Matthew 11:29) So, be gentle and humble so we are sensitive so we don't get caught in the snares > Paul told Timothy > "No one engaged in warfare entangles himself with the affairs of this life, that he may please him who enlisted him as a soldier." (2 Timothy 2:4) So, I think we can see that we are going the wrong way if and when we are getting tangled in something > this means we need to stop and pray and submit to God, ourselves, first, so He is managing us in His peace, and we are not just trying to control whoever and whatever. Obeying Him comes before our succeeding against the devil > "Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you." (James 4:7) So, this is for me. I may know this, but in order for us to have character that is being submissive to God, we need God's deep correction and healing and changing us to how He is holy in His love. Holy has to do with how God is, and so better and superior to created pleasure things. He is so more satisfying, and can satisfy and comfort us in spite of anything of this life and the devil's dirty dealing. So, holy includes how evil can not decide how God is or how we are. But only God's Holy Spirit decides, as much as we are holy. So, holy means being free, so we are not controlled or decided by wrong people or by nice things in this world, and we can't be tangled in. But it does say God "gives us richly all things to enjoy." (in 1 Timothy 6:17) But this means not depending on nice things for our peace and happiness, because they can only give us pleasure and excitement that does not last. So we need to submit to You, LORD our Heavenly Father . . . how You work in us so we are submitting the way You please and are pleased with how we are.

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"our calling . . . quality, not quantity of just accomplishment (c:"
« Reply #43 on: Sat Dec 24, 2011 - 01:43:55 »
Hi  (c: Here is some personal spiritual sharing I have just written >

"our calling . . . quality, not quantity of just accomplishment (c:"

It is raining gently. I enjoy hearing the rain, and I like to be out getting my face kissed by raindrops (c:

But now I am feeling the need to become how God really wants. I have not been loving and joyful and quiet with love and compassion for people who are wrong or seem to me to be wrong. I have been critical and imagining putting people down. And this has not been fragrantly pleasing to our Father.

Oh . . . ooh . . . "For we are to God the fragrance of Christ among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing." (2 Corinthians 2:15)

So, I can not make myself sweetly pleasing, sweet-smelling to You, God. Only You can make me how You really please. And You say, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself," in Romans 13:9; so You desire that I love others as much as myself . . . caring just as much about any other person getting right with You and real with You in Your love.

So, we are Yours, for how You have us praying. Praying and obeying. Yes. Not just feeling better and relieved, but . . . discovering how You have us with You >

"Now may the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God and into the patience of Christ." (2 Thessalonians 3:5) So, the guiding we need is how You guide us in our hearts into Your own love; and Your love is in You; so . . . by being guided into Your love, we are not only feeling loved, but we are with You Yourself sharing with us and one with us so You are having us loving the way Your all-loving love has us loving any and all people, and this while we are personally sharing with You. And so, in union with You this is all the time, I consider.

So, we submit now, how You bless us to. We do not make ourselves do this, on our own, I would say; "for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure." (Philippians 2:13) So work in us that we are submissive, from how we have been, please, and thank You so much. May we be the thanks, by being more like Jesus is pleasing to You and obeying and loving > "with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffering, bearing with one another in love," (Ephesians 4:2) > it says we are called to this > right before this verse, it says, "I, therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you to walk worthy of the calling with which you were called," and then it says, "with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffering, bearing with one another in love," > so our calling is not only some ministerial activity with a reputation for being a pastor or whoever. But our calling includes how God wants us to be loving "with all lowliness and gentleness" > Jesus is "gentle and lowly in heart" (Matthew 11:29); so I consider that "all lowliness and gentleness" means being gentle and humble even like Jesus who is being "formed in you", like Paul says in Galatians 4:19. 

And I think "all lowliness and gentleness" can mean, personally in each of us, how we are gentle and lowly in our emotions and feelings and how we react and how we take things. So, "There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love." (1 John 4:18) And in Mark 3:14 it says that Jesus "appointed twelve, that they might be with Him and that He might send them out to preach," > So, Jesus did not only call them to preach, but first it says He called them "that they might be with Him".

So, being with Jesus in His love is where we have our calling, not in training and some ministerial self-image. Our calling is not about status. We are family, in Jesus. So our calling is about being family (c: So we first start with loving, not first with showing and telling. And Jesus gives "rest for your souls." (in Matthew 11:29) This is basic to our calling > "'Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.'" (Matthew 11:28-30) So, Jesus is not that one who drives us and worries us and wastes us and abuses us emotionally and confuses us. But Jesus is kind, "gentle and lowly in heart" in the emotions and guiding in His love. There is beautifully wonderful sweet and tender sharing in His love making us "tenderhearted" (Ephesians 4:31-32, 1 Peter 3:8-9) with others and also not being abusive with our own selves, but being tenderly caring with our own selves.

So - - - how You do this, God our Father, is for us to discover more and more as we grow. So, thank You; may we please thank You by being sweetly and fragrantly pleasing to You and obeying You and how You have us loving any and all people. In the name of Jesus our Lord, amen.

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« Reply #44 on: Wed Dec 28, 2011 - 11:21:20 »
We can share with You, LORD.

But I am finding that there is time when I am quiet and there is deeper than words sharing.

And You want us to be submitting to You, all the time, including while we are relating with each other > "submitting to one another in the fear of God." (Ephesians 5:21) You want our relating to be in submission to how You have us relating so You are guiding us the same way. So, this can be interesting, while we are with each other, to be sensing deeply to see if You are leading us the same way, right while we are involved with each other. And it says, "Do all things without complaining and disputing," (Philippians 2:14) So, by relating "without" any complaining and "without" arguing, this can help us to keep our attention to You and stay submissive to You while we are with each other.

And if I start to get bitter or irritable or impatient with someone . . . this, I would say, is a way of complaining. It says, "Husbands, love your wives and do not be bitter toward them." (Colossians 3:15) So, I can see this means a husband is never to accept any excuse to get bitter against his wife, but always be loving her and be for her. And this is no matter what she does or how she relates or how she does things unexpected or even against how he may like. Be like Jesus on the cross. And example can reach her > "nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:3) Good example can win her, when he is right.

And . . . by the way (c: . . . it says God's ways are "past finding out," in Romans 11:33. So, a lady of Jesus in her personality will have God's ways that I can not figure out!!! (c: He will have her doing better than I may want, as an imperfect person; so my selfish nature can be riled because she is doing better than what my ego may want. So, good for her!!! (c:

So, yes I can be dealing with anger because I am wrong; so I need to submit to God first whenever I start to get irritated or mad or impatient or trying to control a lady. And get in God's peace, first, then see how He makes me clear (c: and loving and for her, and then cheerfully creative in His peace. "And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)

And this is unconditional love; so I can see that . . . with anyone, at all . . . God also wants me to be loving and not allowing myself to get bitter against any person, at all, but be loving and caring for every person, with caring and hope for, and never being against anyone. God is spiritual enough to make us like this (c:

And if you have anything to share about this or whatever, that I may include in my messages with others on the Net and in e-mail, please write whatever it's ok with you for me to share, but I do not plan to personally identify anyone.

So . . . God bless you, and thank you for sharing with me (c: So, now it is time to be still and see how You have us being submissive to You and even actually sharing with You personally in Your own peace, LORD . . . so You are preparing us for how You desire that we love each person . . . even while sharing with You in Your love personal and affectionate, warmly, sweetly, and sensitively . . . "tenderhearted" (Ephesians 4:32, 1 Peter 3:8-9) with each other who can share this way with us, but being ready for how You are able to change any person to become able to join us > be ready always for any person to be changed by You, God our Father, to become family with us.

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"Yes, God is about family"
« Reply #45 on: Wed Dec 28, 2011 - 11:26:11 »

Here is what I am having for breakfast >

"Yes, God is about Family"

Oh, look at that splashing bird taking an icy cold bath! >

But deeply that bird is warm, under those feathers. And it can enjoy family sharing with the other birds . . . even though all is so cold around them.

Yes, even in this cold world, we can be deeply warm in love and affection, and even be family with each other > "Finally, all of you be of one mind, having compassion for one another; love as brothers, be tenderhearted, be courteous; not returning evil for evil or reviling for reviling, but on the contrary blessing, knowing that you were called to this, that you may inherit a blessing." (1 Peter 3:8-9) God knows we are "in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation" (Philippians 2:15); and we know how this world's people can cheat us and betray us and hurt and abuse and just use us; but God says to love like this, so warmly in His affection making us "tenderhearted" with each other. So, even while we have problems to deal with, we can have the very best of loving with God and one another who are family in Jesus. "But we need to obey how He does this with us, including with His correction." > "Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live?" (Hebrews 12:9) So, we need to seek God to correct us. And correction is "painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it." (in Hebrews 12:11)

By the way, God does not want us to be loving only birds of our own feather > Jesus Himself does say, "For if you love those who love you, what reward have you?" in Matthew 5:46.

Birds of a feather flock together and get bird flu together . . . the bird flu of conceit, of judging who is good enough for them to love, and who is worth their attention; but Jesus left Heaven itself, in order to love and reach any and all people; so though He is so superior, He has not been judging about who is good enough for Him to love. And Jesus wants to share His very own with anyone who will trust Him that He loves us like this; for one example, Jesus shares His very own peace with us > "My peace" He says in John 14:27. So, Jesus Himself is not conceited, at all . . . though He is so superior!!!! (c: But we have people who are so conceited, that they think they are too good for Jesus and how He desires that we love any and all people . . . like I have been conceited against people, but really conceited against Him. So, LORD our God and Father, may we be humble so we do the loving that You want and Jesus has been our Example of this. Amen.

God made man "in His own image", we have in Genesis 1:27 > "male and female He created them." And they had children. So, the image of God is "male and female", I understand, plus children who came from them. So, God made man in His image, and man is a family being . . . because he is in the image of God who is Family > God is Father and Son and Holy Spirit . . . three family Persons, like how man in His image is three basic family persons - - - father and child and mother.

And we have that "God is love" in 1 John 4:8&16. In order to have sharing love you need to have more than one person. And God who is family love is more than one family Person > our Father, His Son, and the Holy Spirit who helps our Father and mothers the church and prepares the church Bride for our Groom Jesus. Preparing a bride is what her mother does, often enough, I understand (c:.

But God is using men to take care of His people > our Apostle Paul commands that, "A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach; not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous; one who rules his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence (for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?);" (1 Timothy 3:2-5) So, before a man may be just considered for ordination to "take care of the church of God", he "must be blameless" and proven in his own home, first, in his own marriage and with their own children. Or he is not qualified to be even considered, I consider (c:

He is a family man, and his wife is his helpmate who has helped him become "blameless" and "gentle" and "not quarrelsome" and "sober-minded" . . . not only physically sober, but emotionally sober in God's love making us "gentle and lowly in heart" like Jesus (Matthew 11:29) so our feelings and reacting and emotions are gentle and humble in Jesus' love. And she has helped him find out how to relate in love in their marriage, and helped him to bring up his children right. So, he needs his wife to help him pastor, "nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:3) She is included in his example, and so are the children; so his family's example pastors God's people. So, God wants a man who has learned how to take care of people in God's family caring and sharing way!! Halleluiah!!! The glory is to You, LORD (c: This is beautifully wonderful, how You are so about family with us.

All our loving that is Your loving is in Your family way > "Let all that you do be done with love." (1 Corinthians 16:14) "But we were gentle among you, just as a nursing mother cherishes her own children." (1 Thessalonians 2:7) "Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ." (1 Corinthians 11:1) So, Paul was following Jesus, by loving people "just as a nursing mother cherishes her own children." And He calls us to follow the example of our Apostle Paul. So, this is basic for God's way of loving everyone, not just picking and choosing favorites for marriage and who has our interests. So, I need to seek You, Father, to greatly correct me to be loving like this, amen. Thank You! (c:

So, this is a prayer request.

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sharing from our Tuesday group about Jericho (c:
« Reply #46 on: Wed Jan 04, 2012 - 21:47:17 »
Hi  (c: I have been writing what we were sharing in the group, for the one evening I was leading the discussion of Jericho. First, we had a song that we sang twice. The song was saying we are with God, or something like this, and is it I, Lord, who You want to send? And we had prayer, I don't remember it being before or after the song, and we included prayer, right away, for someone who had a virus. Then we did reading in Joshua about Jericho. Here is the first part that I have been sharing > there may be even three parts, whatever You please, LORD (c: > thank You for blessing us to share with one another, now, in this; please bless us to be more and more beautiful to You in Your love and growing in enjoying loving with joy however You please in all our relating; amen, in the name of Jesus our Lord and Savior >

First, we have Joshua 5:13-15. Joshua sees "a Man" who "stood opposite him with His sword drawn in His hand." Joshua asks Him if He is for or against the Jews. And the Man says He is "commander of the army of the LORD". And Joshua falls "on his face" to worship Him, and He tells Joshua to take off his sandals because he is on holy ground. Plus, He tells him also to remove his "sandal" > he has not done enough!! So, I can see "the Man" was Jesus Himself.

And do you see a little déjà vu, here? The Man tells Joshua "take the sandal off your foot, for the place where you stand is holy." I think of the burning bush where Moses was told to remove his sandals because he was on holy ground (Exodus 3:2-5). And now God is appearing to Joshua and telling him to take off his sandal because the place where he is standing is holy. And God made it clear to Joshua > "as I was with Moses, so I will be with you." (in Joshua 1:5 and Joshua 3:7) And, lo and behold, God appears to each one and tells Moses to remove his sandals because he is on holy ground and does like this with Joshua. And God had Joshua split the Jordan River, while it was overflowing (Joshua 3:15 and 4:18) like how God had Moses split the red sea. So, even in practical ways, God was with Joshua as He was with Moses, like He said he would be.

So, this can help us see that God will put His word into action, including in practical ways (c: Whatever you read in the Bible . . . God will do this with you, the way He means each thing in His word. Whatever you read - - even though you know you could never get yourself to do what something says in God's word . . . trust God to do it with you, the way He can and how He means it . . . every bite (c:

"'So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth;
  It shall not return to Me void,
  But it shall accomplish what I please,
  And it shall prosper in
        the thing for which I sent it.'"
                    (Isaiah 55:11)

So, whatever God's word says, it will do whatsoever God pleases. For example, our apostle Paul says, "Do all things without complaining and disputing," (Philippians 2:14) So, God will have us doing this. The power of God's love in us is almighty to make us easily able to relate in His loving way, and say no to complaining and arguing . . . not only to stop the arguing and complaining that are wrong, but also to be living the way His love has us living so we have all that is so right and not only stop what is wrong > "to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge; that you may be filled with all the fullness of God." (Ephesians 3:19)

Also, in God's word which He guarantees He will do with us, we have that Jesus says, "'Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.'" (see this with the rest of Matthew 5:43-48). God will have us doing better than what people are arguing that this means or does not mean . . . better than we can ask or think (Ephesians 3:20-21) > God brings us to better than all that humans are struggling for or against, in their arguing about His word (c: It says, "as He is, so are we in this world," in 1 John 4:17. So, trust God to do this with you, to make us "as He is" "in this world"; He is spiritual enough to make you "as He is" "in this world", in spite of how you are now!!! (c:

God does with us all that His word means to Him, so more and better than we have been expecting or considering. His love in us shares with us how He is, in our nature, even, more and more as we grow in Jesus > the kind of perfect we are talking about, here, is not just of religious practice or merely stopping some list of wrong behaviors!! (c: But we are growing in Jesus > "My little children, for whom I labor in birth again until Christ is formed in you," (Galatians 4:19) > Jesus Himself is growing in us as our new inner Person with His personality "gentle and lowly in heart" (Matthew 11:29). The perfection of Jesus in us comes with growing in God's love, not just with changing our behavior and disciplining our own selves.

It's kind of like how a baby may be perfect, but as a baby; the baby needs to grow and develop so then the person can be more and more mature in God's love (c: Jesus Himself grew, I understand > it says He "increased in wisdom and stature," in Luke 2:52. So, the perfection of God's love involves growing > like we have been told during preaching, we do not want to just get rid of wrong things, but get more and more into all that is so right and good, instead.

"There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love." (1 John 4:18) So, we get rid of what is wrong such as fear, by getting the love which is so right (c:

And Jesus says, "'Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.'" (John 14:27) So, like this, Jesus gives us His very own peace that makes us so we do not let ourselves be troubled or afraid, but also we have all that is so right, of sharing with Jesus Himself in the peace which is His peace that He Himself enjoys and shares with us. So, God does desire to share His very own with us. His word is for all He means and He is able to do with us.

So thank You, LORD our Father, for all You mean by this with us. In the name of Jesus Your Son, thank You so much!!! May we have all that You mean, by the ministering of Your Holy Spirit. amen bill (c:

Yes, we shared more than this, in less than an hour > continued in Reply #50 ::smile::
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"resting as family (c:"
« Reply #47 on: Sat Jan 14, 2012 - 09:30:00 »
Even while the waves of this world's trouble's keep attacking our
Solid Rock, and just break themselves all over the place . . .

we are family resting with our Solid Rock (c:

"'Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden,
                and I will give you rest.
    Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me,
            for I am gentle and lowly in heart,
        and you will find rest for your souls.'"
                              (Matthew 11:29)

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« Reply #48 on: Tue Jan 17, 2012 - 02:33:45 »

This is a baby coot >

Coots are water birds that eat on land or in the water, eating plant food as well as fish and insects and snails and other small animals including tadpoles and salamanders.

Do you see how baby coot has those long toesies? (c: By having such long toes, a coot's feet spread out its weight so it can walk on soft and uneven places, including those dainty lily pads without sinking. It's like how humans wear snowshoes so they don't drop into deep soft snow.

Like this, we as Christians walk softly and gently and humbly so we do not sink . . .  where worldly people stomp proudly and in haste so they fall through (c:

Being gentle and humble and sensitive, we do not fall in what is not love. It says to relate gently and humbly > "with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffering, bearing with one another in love," (Ephesians 4:2) "making melody in your heart to the Lord, giving thanks always for all things to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, submitting to one another in the fear of God." (in Ephesians 4:19-21)

There are times when even my really Christian friends can be wrong; so I need to have "longsuffering" ready, so I don't throw away a good relationship just because of one problem > I need to not let wrong things decide how I am and if I keep on loving or not! But pray when there are problems . . . first be for someone, in prayer, instead of so fast like I can be to criticize against. Have compassion for.

Also, "be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath; for the wrath of man does not produce the righteousness of God." (in James 1:19-20)

"He who answers a matter before he hears it,
 It is folly and shame to him." (Proverbs 18:13)

Often enough, after becoming quiet in prayer, I find that someone was not wrong like I thought, but I was limited in my ability to understand the person > because God's ways are "past finding out" (Romans 11:33). The way that God has people loving me will be "past finding out" . . . not what I can figure out (c: So, I need to not try to limit people to how I can understand things and try to clone people to be what I want >

"nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:3)

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« Reply #49 on: Tue Jan 17, 2012 - 14:08:11 »
Oh - h - h , I can feel how this bee is so glad to be coming in to a flower,

so she can get nectar and pollen to bring home, to love her family of bees.

What a beautiful creation she is, so marvelously designed for getting
what is needed for her family . . . designed for loving.

Yes, all God has made is designed for loving.

All His word has His love meaning . . . for how we can have honey
with Him and each other.

In Psalm 81:16, it says, "with honey from the rock I would have satisfied you." This is written to people who refused God, to people who it says "would have none of Me." (in Psalm 81:11) It looks like it actually means that the people were so anti-God, that they did not want any of Him, at all. How horrible and awful that they could be like that, against God who "is love" (1 John 4:8&16) and who would share His own honey with them! But even though they were like that, God is not only interested in criticizing and condemning them; but He is thinking of how He would like . . . enjoy . . . giving honey from the rock to these people.

He would even satisfy them, not just try to use them to please Him somehow, but He desires to satisfy them with His own honey > so I can see that God cares how we feel, if He wants to satisfy us. And He is not just about judging wrong people, but He cares for them. Well, Jesus did die for any and all people (1 John 2:2) > "And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world." So, Jesus is sweet enough to please our Father to forgive any and all people of all our evil things; "so His honey will satisfy us, too, to love caringly each and every person who has hurt us and done such awful things in this 'whole world'."

"So, God's love is spiritual enough!!!!"

WOW!!! So, thank You, God our Father!!!

So, God is about honey > "God is love" (in 1 John 4:8&16), but not about the sort of love that humans fall into and then are not satisfied and then they lose that love when things go against what they want. Honey does not change because of bees not getting what they want; even if there are attacks on their hive and disasters of something tearing their hive apart, they still feed on that honey ! (c: "and they stay busy with their honey (c:"

And you can't sting honey (c: I mean, bees do have stingers, but honey can't be hurt. Like this, God's love "never fails" (in 1 Corinthians 13:8). No matter how much Satan may try to sting us in God's love, we keep loving > "And who is he who will harm you if you become followers of what is good?" (1 Peter 3:13) So we can stay even sweet while being attacked. The almighty power of God's love keeps us this way. And this is practical, too > it is not wise to allow evil to decide how we are, if we believe in Jesus or not, if we will lovingly forgive or not. But, most of all, we are sweet with God, in His honey enjoying Him, "giving thanks always for all things to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ," (Ephesians 5:20)

Honey is multi-tasking, then, for making us sweetly pleasing to God and enjoying Him, while also being sweet and kind, "tenderhearted" (Ephesians 4:32, 1 Peter 3:8-9) with one another, and sweetly caring with compassion for wrong people > 2 Corinthians 12:15 > "And I will very gladly spend and be spent for your souls; though the more abundantly I love you, the less I am loved." "He can have compassion on those who are ignorant and going astray, since he himself is also subject to weakness." (Hebrews 5:2)

So, of course, we might not be like this, but please do not be discouraged about this; because God is the One who is spiritual enough to make us more His way in His love. And He wants this. Jesus is said to be our Groom (Ephesians 5:22-33, Revelation 19:7). A groom is involved in marriage . . . intimacy, sweet romance, family sharing and caring . . . all so sweet in honey :o) multi-tasking (c:

"Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us." (Romans 5:5) So, God does please to share His very own love with us, right in each of "our hearts" . . . not only in certain specially called super-spiritual people. So, we can enjoy You in Your love warmly oozing through us, sweetly and sensitively soothing us with Your soul rest > "and you will find rest for your souls," Jesus says in Matthew 11:29. So, You do desire this with us, to satisfy us. However . . . we do need to be sweetly pleasing to You, not just trying to use You to make us feel good. And if we are sweetly beautiful (1 Peter 3:4) in Your love, Your love makes us all-loving sweetly and tenderly caring for any and all people. Thank You, Jesus, who died for us so sweetly . . . "for a sweet-smelling aroma" (in Ephesians 5:2) > so may we be beautiful and pure in Your honey loving the unlovable, how You use us as Your example to win them to join us.

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Jericho - - continued from Reply #46 above . . . "resting in victory"
« Reply #50 on: Mon Jan 23, 2012 - 17:17:17 »
Joshua 6:1-20 > I notice how the Jews walked around Jericho, one time for each of the first six days; then on the seventh day they walked around seven times. I can see that the seventh day could have been the Sabbath, their day of rest. And they did not work to make the wall come down or to fight their way over the wall. But the LORD made the wall fall "down flat"; and so they did not try on their own to make the victory happen, but they rested in how the LORD gave them the victory.

In the Bible, we have how Moses said to the people, in one military situation, "'The LORD will fight for you, and you shall hold your peace.'" (Exodus 14:14) And when David went against Goliath, he said, "the LORD does not save with sword and spear; for the battle is the LORD's," in 1 Samuel 17:47. And in the military situation of King Jehoshaphat, Jahaziel was used by God to say, "the battle is not yours, but God's," in 2 Chronicles 20:14-15. And in Zechariah 4:6 the angel said,

"'Not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit,'
  Says the LORD of hosts."

With God, we can rest in how He gives us victory > in Psalm 37:7 we have, "Rest in the LORD, and wait patiently for Him;" and Jesus says, "'Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.'" (Matthew 11:29)

But, of course, we can read about how there were things that the Jews needed to do, to do their part in the victory that God gave to them. But God did what really made sure they would win . . . while they obeyed how God had them getting the victory. We see in history how mighty countries with great military power have fought where they seemed so sure to win, but they have gotten themselves in such messes and have been so inefficient, taking even decades to not really get what is good for them. Because only with God can we do anything right > Jesus does say, "for without Me you can do nothing," in the Gospel of John 15:5.

And we have, "Do all things without complaining and disputing," (Philippians 2:14) So, arguing is not the way to win. If we in our marriages, then, get to where we feel like we have to fight to make the other see things our way, this is when we need to not fight with arguing, but rest and trust the LORD to win all that He can win. "He will bring better than what our arguing can." And so, it will look very tempting, very convincing that we have to get in the last word, etc. Yes, Satan can make this feel so convincing!

But it does say, "nor give place to the devil." (Ephesians 4:27) No matter how convincing or charming or intimidating a person may seem to be, threatening to make us look like the fool if we don't force our way, rest in the LORD and His victory! (c: > "nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:3) > not forcing, not trying to lord ourselves over anyone, not just trying to use anyone, but caring for each person > "tenderhearted" (Ephesians 4:32, 1 Peter 3:8-9) in how we relate as His "examples" feeding our example of love so people can get what is really good and not just what they can fight for (c:

No matter how someone will tempt you by seeming as though they will misrepresent you if you don't argue . . . uh-uh . . . do not give in to the temptation (c: > "without" arguing means how much? If you are "without" food, how much food do you have? Feed on Jesus, instead (c: Be faithful to our Groom by refusing to have any affair with Satan and his arguing. Amen.
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« Reply #51 on: Mon Jan 23, 2012 - 17:27:02 »
Joshua 6:16-21 > Joshua said only Rahab and those of her house were to live. In our group, one lady brought up the issue about why it is that God had them kill even little babies and the animals. Well, we maybe have already heard that God is the judge and who are we to question Him? And others say, oh we won't understand this until we die and go to Jesus and ask Him. Well . . . I'm not sure that, while we are face to face with Jesus, we will be thinking and wondering about what happened at Jericho. After all, the Bible does says this earth and the present universe's heavens "shall not be remembered or come to mind," in Isaiah 65:17. So, then, if we won't remember this earth, how will we be able to remember this earth's things so we can ask Jesus about them? (c:

And the Bible says the things of God's word are for teaching us and helping us . . . now (Romans 15:4, 1 Corinthians 10:11, Hebrews 4:12) to teach and comfort and warn us and expose how we can be wrong and in danger. So, what can we get from how God had all the people, including kids, and their animals killed?

Well, God is merciful and He does clearly say, "I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked," in Ezekiel 33:11. But this mainly means about Jesus, how only the death of Jesus could be enough to satisfy God to forgive us > "And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world." (1 John 2:2)

But He knew the situation in Jericho. He knew how the children were because of their parents, and He knew how even their animals had become because of being owned and managed by those people. I will not go into detail about how animals can become in the wrong hands. I will offer something > there is "the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience." (in Ephesians 2:2) And I understand that this evil spirit of Satan can infect a child from conception, coming from the child's parents. And it is clear how God burned Sodom and Gomorrah, possibly killing unborn children and plenty of animals. So, this is no surprise to God.

So, if God knew every person needed to be killed, this can show how bad God knows sin is. Any sin, at all, is so bad, because of the evil spirit in it. If Jesus suffered like He did on Calvary, in order to fight sin, this can show us how bad sin really is. Every sin, I think we understand, needs the shed blood of Jesus, in order for that sin to be forgiven. So, then, I consider and offer that any sinning, at all, is that bad, that dangerous . . . because of the evil spirit "of disobedience" in it. So, it says we need to do everything "without" complaining and "without" arguing (Philippians 2:14). I think you can understand how much there will be if you are "without" something.

And, of course, God does not want us to stay feeling guilty and worrying about this. Such negative guilt and worry are sin, too, meant to keep us suffering about our sinning, so our attention is decoyed away from God (c: God wants us forgiven and living with Him in His love, instead.

It says, "nor give place to the devil." (Ephesians 4:27) This means no place, at all . . . in our emotions included . . . but "with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffering, bearing with one another in love," (Ephesians 4:2) So, there is the loving that God wants, instead!!!! (c:

But what about how God had the Jews killing the animals? What can this represent, for us in our everyday lives? Well, yes there might have been those cute little lambs so soft and fuzzy and beautiful; how could anyone want or need to kill them? But isn't it true that there are sins that seem so innocent? They can make us feel so fuzzy and funny. But the spirit in them is keeping us weak so we can suffer the pain "later" and be fighting, later! > and those nasty gases of our selfish love-dead nature's decaying can build up until we blow up about not getting our own way. God knew what needed to be done. Not only the vicious and abusive and murderous and hateful sins have to go, but also the sweet and tender and charming sins witch help to feed our weakness and keep our attention away from God and His loving.

Sin can seem so charming . . . so cute and soft and fuzzy on the surface. Those pleasures can be so convincing that they aren't hurting us. However, it is the deeper "spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience" witch is the main problem. Plus, God brings us to better than the pleasures of Satan's selfish pleasure seeking > > > >

"Because Your lovingkindness is better than life,
 My lips shall praise You." (Psalm 63:3)

"'He who loves his life will lose it, and he who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life.'" (John 12:25)

While we are seeking selfish pleasures, we are isolating ourselves from God and from loving all people as ourselves, especially while we are using people in order to get our pleasures. Yes - - in sinning we can become very emotionally involved with other people who are with us in our pleasure seeking, and our emotional involvement with their personalities can make a pleasure addiction much more deeply complicated than if we have something by ourselves. But in our independence we can get isolated, too - - so we can't love like we can with Jesus - - because in selfish love for pleasure, we are too weak to be able to live in close involvement with someone else and stay clear of arguing and getting hurt and frustrated. And when someone messes effectively with a pleasure witch is an emotional treasure for you, you can get to reacting like a lunatic and suffering in depression and revenge seeking etc. and be a slave of this . . . since your treasure is so inferior to God and His love which no one can mess with. Instead of falling in that stuff, grow in God's love!!! (c: "And who is he who will harm you if you become followers of what is good?" (1 Peter 3:13)

Paul says, "I will not be brought under the power of any," in 1 Corinthians 6:12. And "You are not restricted by us, but you are restricted by your own affections." (2 Corinthians 6:12) So, in God's love, no one can have power over us by messing with things in our lives: in our victory in Jesus, He saves us and makes us safe. God bless you, too (c:

Planning one more sharing from the group on Jericho, in next reply, #52 >
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« Reply #52 on: Fri Jan 27, 2012 - 12:49:09 »
Hi (c: While the Jews were getting ready to attack Jericho, the LORD told Joshua, "But the seventh day you shall march around the city seven times, and the priests shall blow the trumpets. It shall come to pass, when they make a long blast with the ram's horn, and when you hear the sound of the trumpet, that all the people shall shout with a great shout; then the wall of the city will fall down flat." This is in Joshua 6:4-5. Then we have, in Joshua 6:20 > "And it happened when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat."

I can feel how it could have been to be inside that big wall between me and the Jews. The Jews had walked around the city once for each of six days without attacking; so maybe Jews were not interested in trying to attack over the wall, since that could mean a lot of Jews getting killed and crippled and gashed while attacking. They could have been thinking that wall was keeping the Jews out so their food and water would keep them alive, for a while, at least longer than if the Jews attacked.

But then, on that seventh day . . . all of a sudden - - down comes that wall > the only thing between them and the Jews is gone. And the wall falls flat: it is not broken up in pieces that could jab the attacking Jews feet and ankles and maybe tripped them up on their way in; and, maybe, there had been traps and obstacles at the base of the wall, that could have made it harder for attackers to get to the base of the wall, but now the fallen wall had covered any defensive items near the wall's base. So, I'm considering, even, that their wall fell in a way to make it safer for the Jews to come in!

It is kind of like how we in sin were covering for ourselves. We had our walls to keep people from seeing the truth about us, and knowing about and interfering with our sinning. But then the Holy Spirit brought "conviction" of our sin, showing us we had no secrets and we were in fact wide open to judgment and could not keep ourselves safe; when the Holy Spirit showed us how things really are, it was like that great big wall coming down. And our only hope was God, we could then see, and not ourselves doing anything to try to protect ourselves or prove we were right or "ok". We were condemned and saw how wide open we really were, how God was the only One, really, to answer to. Our walls had fallen; it turned out that they had no foundation to keep them up for when we needed them the most.

Yes, when those people of Jericho needed their wall the most, then was when it failed them!! Halleluiah!!! And so it is with our sinning and how we try to cover it up. Our tricks will fail us . . . right when it can hurt the most for things to come out in the open, or for our sneaky character of our sinning will have us going the wrong way when it will be the most embarrassing and get us in the most trouble < well > speaking for my own experience, anyway.

How good it is to know that our tricks and gimmicks and rigging, and charming and harming others can do nothing to protect us, and not only this but it will fail us and even maybe fall in a way that will help whoever wants to attack us.

Halleluiah!!! (c: Let us rest in Jesus, instead > "'Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.'" (Matthew 11:29)

"My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness." (in 2 Corinthians 12:9)

We can be totally in the open and be safe because we have God. "And who is he who will harm you if you become followers of what is good?" (1 Peter 3:13)

We can be without walls so we can reach and love and share with people; and our strength is in the LORD so we are safe and taken care of by Him, "casting all your care upon Him, for He cares for you." (1 Peter 5:7)

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« Reply #53 on: Sun Feb 05, 2012 - 16:35:41 »

beautiful . . . and look at all the detail of how God made this bee >

And this bee is busy with getting nectar and pollen to bring back to her hive. She is so about family > even while she may be away from all her bee family, still whatever she is doing is about loving her family. Yes, every detail of how her body is designed is for loving.

Like this, we are new creatures in Christ, and it says, "For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them." (Ephesians 2:10) So, everything about us that God has done has been designed for loving . . . not for us to get pleasure that we want, not for just getting through troubles so we can live the lives we would like to live! Not just to please people who are pressuring us . . . getting our attention by being mean and nasty and intimidating etc. But first our attention belongs with God.

The bee is faithful to her family, all the time > every thing she does is for the whole family.

God is about us having honey with Him >

"'He would have fed them also with
             the finest of wheat;
  And with honey from the rock
      I would have satisfied you.'"
                      (Psalm 81:16)

"When the bee has been busy and has become weary, it can go back to the hive to be refreshed."

And Jesus on the cross was "a sweet-smelling aroma," Paul says in Ephesians 5:2. So, while Jesus was so suffering and dying on the cross, He was being sweet about it and loving us tenderly. So, God has us loving sweetly . . . "tenderhearted" (Ephesians 4:32, 1 Peter 3:8-9) "at any time." About the breaking of the bread and drinking of the cup, Jesus says to do these "in remembrance of Me," in 1 Corinthians 11:24-25; and I consider now that being sweetly and tenderly loving in family sharing, like Jesus on the cross was being loving, is included in our remembrance of Jesus during the Lord's Supper (c: We are participating in the sufferings of Christ, by loving like He does.

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« Reply #54 on: Sun Feb 05, 2012 - 16:42:59 »

God's loving light is able to reach us . . .

in spite of the shadowy things of this world
and this world's lines and guarding fences . . .

and bring His beauty of enjoying (c:

"Command those who are rich in this present age not to be haughty,
         nor to trust in uncertain riches but in the living God,
       who gives us richly all things to enjoy." (1 Timothy 6:17)

"Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
  I will fear no evil;
  For You are with me;
  Your rod and Your staff, they comfort me." (Psalm 23:5)

Yes, we may be in the valley of the shadow of death,
but "it is just a shadow", and - - (c: the light of Your love
makes the darkest shadows disappear ! ! !  (c:

And we are like we are in a deep well,

where drops from Heaven fell

to refresh us and start us new,

and the ripples of this life's circumstances
are only on the surface of the
deep deep still and resting loving waters.
Those rippling circumstances are
related to all that is coming for us
from Heaven ! (c:

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« Reply #55 on: Wed Feb 08, 2012 - 22:28:27 »
Here is a video showing musk oxen and wolves. It involves the wolves hunting a little baby musk ox; so you may not want to watch. Plus, there may be advertising that is not Christian. So, you can skip to the message I have below, if you prefer >


Those mommy and daddy oxen are pretty big and rough and tough, and they have those horns that can hook a wolf, and they know how to form a defense against the wolves. In fact they moved together and effectively stopped the wolves!! But what happened?


They are strong enough, tough enough, but they let worry get the better of them. They needed to simply stand against those wolves.

Like this, with God we have more than we need against Satan. Consider how Jesus says "I cast out demons with the finger of God," in Luke 11:20. All it takes is God's finger . . . His little pinky, I would say!!! So, it is God who is strong enough > in His love we have His power almighty to make us immune against any evil that would mess us with fear (1 John 4:18), dominating emotions and cruel feelings and stupid lusts. We can easily stand, in God's strength, against any temptation.

Jesus says, "My strength is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness." (in 2 Corinthians 12:9) So, God is spiritual enough ::smile:: It does not depend on our own ability.

"Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you." (James 4:7)

So, yes, it can be discouraging, then, how we fail though we even know this. But . . . now let us trust You, LORD our Father to have us take heart and start fresh and do better. Thank You so much for encouraging us, that You care about us and do not give up on us . . . but You do also expect us to not give up on anyone ::smile:: Amen, in the name of Jesus Your Son, who did not give up on His disciples who could fail and be wrong.

In fact, even before Peter denied Jesus three times, here is what happened >

"And the Lord said, 'Simon, Simon! Indeed, Satan has asked for you, that he may sift you as wheat. But I have prayed for you, that your faith should not fail; and when you have returned to Me, strengthen your brethren.'" (Luke 22:31-32)

So, even before Peter denied Jesus three times, already Jesus had prayed for Peter. I see that Jesus claimed in prayer that Peter would get back with Jesus and that Peter would also have enough strength, then, to strengthen others also. So, he would not have strength only enough for himself; but Jesus' all-loving prayer made him able to also minister strength to others.

And Paul says Christ "also makes intercession for us," in Romans 8:37. So, we have Jesus Himself making intercession for us . . . according to His own faith; so stand against any evil, plus expect to be able to pray successfully for others to be stronger and to do better.

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« Reply #56 on: Tue Feb 14, 2012 - 09:05:35 »
Here is a sea otter.

A sea otter can be 30 to 100 pounds, and mostly they stay in the water; they even sleep floating in the water > there is a long seaweed called kelp that is attached to the bottom, and so a sea otter can put kelp around it so the kelp keeps the otter from floating away while it is sleeping on top of the ocean (c: And the water can have ice in it, and they are fine because they have nice thick furry coats; but they need to keep their fur clean so it can hold air in it to keep their warmth in. And they dive to the bottom and catch food and then bring it up and float on their backs to eat; an otter keeps a rock and uses it to smash open clams on the rock on its belly; so its belly is a "kitchen" for making dinner. Also, a sea otter uses its rock down on the sea bottom, where it uses the rock to pull food creatures loose. And on top they eat on their backs. So, their bellies are their dining tables, too (c:

Yes, then, a sea otter could just float on its back and rest and sleep in the sunshine and be plenty warm. But it eats a quarter of its weight in food, every day! So . . . it can get pretty hungry if it doesn't go diving for food. I think this can be like how Jesus could have stayed in Heaven, resting with all He had going for Him in Heaven. But Heaven is about love. I can see Jesus got hungry to be loving, and so He came down here to earth to be with us, so He could reach us and share with us in His love and bring us to be with Him in Heaven.

And, like this, we might be able to stop everything and be with God. But . . . after a while . . . we would get hunger to be loving > we need to be with other people, even with enemies and family members who do not love us. Because God's Heaven love is all-loving . . . making Paul like this > "And I will very gladly spend and be spent for your souls; though the more abundantly I love you, the less I am loved." (2 Corinthians 12:15) "But we were gentle among you, just as a nursing mother cherishes her own children. So, affectionately longing for you, we were well pleased to impart to you not only the gospel of God, but also our own lives, because you had become dear to us." (1 Thessalonians 2:7-8) These were people who were total strangers when Paul first came to them! But God turned them into Paul's own Jesus family brothers and sisters so dear to him. They were like a bunch of clams and urchins and octopuses each living for their own selves (2 Corinthians 5:15, Matthew 5:46), down in the cold (Matthew 24:12, 2 Timothy 3:13), but Paul reached to them and turned them "from the power of Satan to God" (see Acts 26:18) and His family love's sharing and caring.

God's love so satisfying makes us deeply satisfied to love any and all people, no matter what > "unconditionally", we say. This is the only way God's love has us be; so unless we are all-loving like this, we are not satisfied in this love which is the only love truly satisfying and fulfilling (c: So, picking and choosing certain favorites has not worked, for this "reason". Ones try to have love with only certain favorite people of family, friendship, and marriage; however, when a relationship breaks or someone dies, what happens when that one treasure relationship ends or suffers? With God, we are in love strong so we do not break when a relationship breaks, or die inside ourselves when a favorite dies. "And who is he who will harm you if you become followers of what is good?" (1 Peter 3:13) Yes, if we are all-loving in Jesus family love, we will adopt more and more dearly loved ones so special to us, and this will mean having all these people's problems to bear with them, not just our own! (c: And ones of these will die before we do. But we will be strong in God's love so we can do well, even while so-special people have troubles and die. And we will keep adopting more . . . and more . . . because our love is in "the Spirit of adoption" (Romans 8:15) (c:

In this adoptive love, we are always ready for God to change any impossible and evil person to become reasonable and sensible with us > our example is there for any and all people, ready to feed them how to love (c: > "nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:3) Always stay this way in love; someone will be feeding on your example (1 Corinthians 15:58), even while close family members may not be showing you appreciation > stay God's way for those who are benefitting from you (c: Do not let wrong people decide how you are and what you think of yourself!! God bless you (c:

When a special companion dies or goes elsewhere, you can feel as though you will never be able to have "love", again, like you had with that person. Well, if we have been down low like we are in a clam with some one other person, only, it can be and feel like this when our shell gets broken open; but in Jesus we grow: God's love makes us better and better with Him, in more and more perfect intimacy in His own Heaven-beauty (1 Peter 3:4) love with Him and in sharing with all the others who are sharing in this with us "in one body" (in Colossians 3:15); so no matter what is happening to your body, even in old age > "My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness." (in 2 Corinthians 12:9) Now is your time to have honey with God (Psalm 81:16) more than ever before, and with us, too > please do not leave us out (c:

But are we fully like this? I would say no > we need to keep feeding on loving . . . so we grow in Jesus to become like Him (Galatians 4:19, 1 John 4:17-18). Our reason to get out and do something, then, is not only so we can get money and food and social excitement, then, but so we can be loving. Jesus says, "'As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me.'" (John 6:57) "This comes with preparing in prayer, so we are with our Father, first, the way we can be in His love."

So, like the sea otter, we might be able to rest warmly in the sunshine of God's love, even floating warmly in this evil world so cold; but just resting and feeling so good in this love is not enough > we need to go deep and reach those ones God has us loving, then feed on loving these people, while enjoying and loving our Father in this love. And as we feed on Jesus by sharing with God and loving all people, we find out how Jesus really is, by loving like He does; and this makes us compatible with our Groom so we can spend eternity with Him.

God bless you, too (c: LORD our Father, only You can have us like this and doing this; so we trust You, now, to do all You mean by this, with us; amen, in the name of Jesus Your Son and our Lord and Savior. Good to see you (c: bill

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« Reply #57 on: Sun Mar 11, 2012 - 13:13:15 »
There's a video on Net about a family getting a whale free from a net. It has a little bit of what is not example Christian language, I understand; so I'm not going to post it or the link. But ::smile:: > they came up on this whale and it was like lifeless, but then it blew its top and they went into action. The guy got in the water and did a sensitivity approach so the whale could see he meant well. Then he actually started working on the net to get it off the whale and the whale didn't flip its tail and kill the guy, like she could have. One time, after they got her a little free, she pulled them for a ride, then stopped when, they say, she got tired. And they got the net off the other fins and the tail so she was totally free, and she was jumping and flopping, and flapping and smashing her tail in the water for a lot of times. They were going crazy enjoying that freedom she had and her celebrating.

And when they called professionals, early on, they were told it would be around an hour before rescue pros would be there . . . long enough for the whale to die. This, the pastor said, can show that "professionals" may not be the ones who are able to do what only we with Jesus can be used to do.

So, in our message, today, we were sharing how this is how it can be when Jesus saves us. In sin we were caught and tangled like we were in a net. And we were sinking and wearing down. Jesus says "heavy laden", by the way, in Matthew 11:29 > He says, "'Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.'" (Matthew 11:29) And we know how even now as Christians we can be dragged down, don't we? Well . . . speaking for myself . . . yes. And thanks to You, God, for how You have had mercy on me, and gotten me out of my messes.

And You have used Christians to help me to get, instead, into Your peace and power of love and prayer and worship, in our groups and gatherings, and then I have this standard of excellence of how You can have us being, and I need to keep in this while I am not in church. And we help each other to get out of the net stuff we can get into, because of stuff of our flesh . . . our ego, I would say, not submissive to You in Your peace (Colossians 3:15).

During our message, the pastor was saying how, when he got in deep in drug trouble, people took the risk of getting in with him to get the net stuff off him so he could swim free. God uses us, but we need to be with Him and how He leads us. But we're "members of one another" (Romans 12:5, Ephesians 4:25) so we can help each other > "Confess your trespasses to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much." (James 5:16) We get "healed" not just away from our sin netting that holds us down and is drowning us, but we are "healed" into how God's love in our character has us becoming.

And God's love does the same basic thing in each of us. It's like how a warm fire will warm every person. The smart one and the not smart one both get warmed by the same fire. And the rich person and the poor person get warmed the same; and the educated person and the uneducated person get warmed together ::smile":: Halleluiah ::smile:: We offer the glory to You, LORD our Heavenly Father whose Heavenly love does the same Heavenly blessing in each one You are carressing "in our hearts" (Romans 5:5).

And the pastor said we need, then, to put on our whole armor > Ephesians 6:10-20. He made the point that you can't leave one part of the armor off ::smile:: And I notice how this scripture includes that we need to be in prayer, "for all the saints---"  So, this is in God's all-loving love so we are praying "for all the saints---". And in 1 Timothy 2:1-4, Paul also makes it clear we need to pray "for all men," including "all who are in authority". So, our whole armor is in God's love that has us praying in love for all people . . . praying "for" political leaders, with hope for all that is possible with God, instead of badmouthing against . . . praying "for", with hope for, as we have hope for our own selves to get all that is possible with God. This has us with God in His own all-loving love ::smile::

So, thank You, our Father > in the name of Your Son Jesus our Lord, amen . . . we offer the glory to You.

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« Reply #58 on: Sat Apr 21, 2012 - 08:27:29 »
"Therefore, laying aside all malice, all deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and all evil speaking, as newborn babes, desire the pure milk of the word, that you may grow thereby, if indeed you have tasted that the Lord is gracious." (1 Peter 2:1-3)

So, putting aside my criticizing and paranoid cursing people, and putting away any lust and imagination stupid nonsense . . . be into the milk of God's word. Milk feeding a baby from it mother's breast is warm . . . so the milk of God's word is His love warmly affectionate feeding me so I become a person of His love > "My little children, for whom I labor in birth again until Christ is formed in you," (Galatians 4:19) > I have Jesus being formed in me, from the milk of the Holy Spirit mothering me and feeding me so I become how Jesus in me is in love.

And we have how Paul loved the Thessalonians > "But we were gentle among you, just as a nursing mother cherishes her own children. So, affectionately longing for you, we were well pleased to impart to you not only the gospel of God, but also our own lives, because you had become dear to us." (1 Thessalonians 2:7-8 ) So, I can feed on this example of Paul, of how to be with people, cherishing them . . . with wrong people, I need to be like this so I am ready for God to change them to join us in this family loving.

It says to desire this milk of the word, if I have tasted that Jesus is gracious. So, God wants me to taste Him . . . to actually be in contact and feel Him and be intimate with Him and experience how He is gracious . . . so kind and tender in His love for me and all people.

"Oh, taste and see that the LORD is good;
Blessed is the man who trusts in Him!"
(Psalm 34:8 )

So, trusting Jesus includes trusting Him that He really desires to be this personal and sweet and tender with us, and have us loving all people, like this. So, trusting Him includes this loving. And feed on this so this makes me also kindly and tenderly compassionate with each and any person, at all . . . like He has been with me. So, You, LORD, make me like this > I can not make or discipline myself to be how only You can make me become in Your love curing me > there is this hope for me, because You share with me Your very own love in my heart > "Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us." (Romans 5:5).

It says, "Indeed we count them blessed who endure. You have heard of the perseverance of Job and seen the end intended by the Lord---that the Lord is very compassionate and merciful." (James 5:11)

So, Job went through all that loss and suffering. But then he saw the LORD. And he said, "Behold, I am vile," in Job 40:4, and >

"'I have heard of You by the hearing of the ear,
But now my eye sees You.
Therefore I abhor myself,
And repent in dust and ashes.'"
(Job 42:5-6)

So, when he saw how beautifully wonderful Jesus is, he considered himself to be vile and needing to repent in dust and ashes, instead of how he had before been talking about how he didn't even look the wrong way at women, etc. His righteousness was nothing in comparison with Jesus, he could see, though he was so upright like the Bible does say he "was blameless and upright, and one who feared God and shunned evil," in Job 1:1 > still, when saw Jesus, he could see how he himself was not exactly, though he had made a covenant with his eyes not to "look upon a young woman" (in Job 31:1).

So, in everything I do and go through, it first is about however Jesus wants to be compassionate and merciful and tenderly loving and sharing with me and have me being kind and caring with any people I am involved with, while they may be doing whatsoever evil or good > like how Jesus on the cross was being hated and tortured and murdered, but He was busy with caring for those people so He prayed, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do." (in Luke 23:34) And then was when that man next to Jesus stood up for Him and asked Jesus to remember him when Jesus comes in His kingdom. So, Jesus was ready for loving, even with those people who were cursing Him > Matthew 27:44 says, "Even the robbers who were crucified with Him reviled Him with the same thing." So, at first, both those guys hanging with Jesus were bad-mouthing Jesus. But then Jesus prayed that forgiveness out, I can see, and then was when that guy stood up for Jesus and asked Jesus to remember him when Jesus comes in His kingdom; so I can see that Jesus was there for loving; and so He was praying and ready for our Father to change that man to want to be with Jesus.

So, every thing at any time is about being more with Jesus kind and caring and tenderly loving and sharing, so we are ready to have this loving with any person, at all.

And then it says, "Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious, you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ." (1 Peter 2:4-5)

So, we are to be stones that are living like Jesus is alive in love. So, God wants me to be loving like Jesus. It says, "Therefore receive one another, just as Christ also received us, to the glory of God." (Romans 15:7) So, how Jesus received me . . . this is how He wants me to receive any person. So, this means for me to always be ready to tenderly and kindly receive any person . . .

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"the reason for judging (c:" > Genesis 10 & 11
« Reply #59 on: Mon May 14, 2012 - 08:12:09 »
"the reason for judging (c:" > Genesis chapters 10 & 11 >

Genesis chapter 10 >
Now we are sharing about what happened after Noah and his relatives got out of the ark. We just talked about how Noah cursed Canaan (Genesis 9:25) > It does not actually say Noah did not curse Ham who was the one who "saw the nakedness of his father" Noah (Genesis 9:22), and he did not curse any of the other sons of Ham . . . not that we see written here, anyway.

So, why did Noah curse Canaan and not his father Ham or all the other brothers, too??? I have an idea about this. Canaan would be living in the land which God was going to promise to Abram (Genesis 12:6-7). And the Jews would have the promised land where they could be God's chosen nation which would have the family line which would lead to Mary who would give birth to the Jews' Messiah Jesus. So, in order for that land to get into the hands of the Jews, it could have been God's plan to curse Canaan so Canaan would not keep that land. And the reason was to make sure the Jews had their land and people with the family line to have Jesus born a Jew there.

So, while God could have rightly cursed pretty much anyone and everyone, cursing Canaan could have been a "surgical" curse with God's design to have things work out for Jesus to come in flesh and blood as a Jew. So, His judging was not only about punishing Canaan, but His judging was for managing history of humans to make sure there would be the Jewish nation in their land so Jesus would be born through the Jewish lady Mary.

And this is what I consider, then > how God's judging is not only about correctly and exactly punishing wrong people, but in history He has been mainly judging in order to make sure Jesus had His Jewish nation in which to be born in flesh and blood (Hebrews 2:14-18), and then so there can be many people whom God changes to become like Jesus who is so pleasing to God. So, love for Jesus and us has so much to do with how and why God judges . . . I am considering and . . . offering (c: So, our judging needs to not be only about what people have done to us and what we deserve for justice, but about what You our Father deserve!!! (c: . . . how You are worthy to have us becoming like Jesus so pleasing to You, including how we are enjoyable to and delighting You by how we are relating with one another while worshiping and serving You.

In order for the Jews to have a land for their nation with is family line to Jesus, Canaan needed to be gotten out of their way. And, like this, before the flood . . . all those evil people were in the way; so they were removed. And now, in chapter 10 of Genesis, we see God starting over. But instead of judging any and all wrong people with death like so many would deserve, at any time . . . God is mainly concerned about His historical and eternal purposes about His Son Jesus > so, in this case of cursing Canaan, God does what we might call "surgical" judging, though any and all people will be judged in due time. God is giving attention more exactly to what will effect His plan to bring Jesus into the world. His attention is most of all to the family line of Jesus and preparing the land where Jesus would live and walk and love.

So, now we go to chapter ten of Genesis which tells us who came from the sons of Noah. From these three men and their wives have come all the people we have on this earth. One of us has asked how did Noah and his sons have children, if they did not have wives? That would take a miracle. Yes, it would, but we have Genesis 8:16-18, showing the men each had a wife. Also, to match with this, in 1 Peter 3:20 it says "eight souls, were saved through water." My arithmetic shows me that the four guys with their four wives makes . . . "eight souls". I guess none of them were pregnant, or possibly God would have included the unborn people in the count. When I count our church's attendance, our unborn people get included in the count (c:

Genesis 10:21-24 > After the flood, Noah had his three sons with him; his sons were Shem and Ham and Japheth. Shem was the father of Arphaxad who got his son Salah who then begot a son named Eber (Genesis 10:21-24). Ones understand that people are called "Hebrews" because their family line comes down from Eber. And, by the way . . . according to my Hebrew language source, the Jewish word for "across" is used to make the name "Eber" but also to build the word "Hebrew". And in Genesis 14:13 we have our example of how the Bible calls Abram "the Hebrew" > ones believe this was because Abram came in the family line of Eber. And Genesis 11:16-26 does show that Abram was in Eber's family line; plus . . . later . . . God changed Abram's name to > Abraham! (Genesis 17:5), and we know Abraham is considered to be the father of the Jews who are called Hebrews (c: So the family line of Eber goes through Abraham to the Jews of today, and this, I understand, is why flesh and blood Jews are called Hebrews.

And, of course, it is through Abraham that we have the family line that would be to Jesus. Therefore, it is through Noah's son Shem, then through Eber, and through Abraham that Jesus has his family line, in human flesh and blood history. And I am offering, that God's judging in human history has at times been directly connected with making sure the family line from Abraham to Jesus has stayed in one piece. And now His judging is mainly about all He desires to have with us His children; therefore, God's judging is not mainly just about who gets punished and who gets rewards. So, we need to keep seeking all that God's judging is most of all meant to do > even while we may have people doing very wrong things to us - - most of all the attention of our judging needs to be to making sure that we become like Jesus pleasing to our Father, and grow and learn better to be loving one another how our Father wants us to stay while first loving and intimately worshiping Him.

Instead of being so busy with what we feel we ourselves deserve, in our judging, we need to be mostly concerned about what You our Father deserve (c: The glory is to You ! ! ! (c:

I understand that the name "Eber" is the same as the Jewish vocabulary word meaning "across"; and ones understand that "across" means on or from the other side of the Jordan > meaning the eastern side from where Abram came before arriving in Canaan (Genesis 11:31-12:6). And, like the name Eber, there are Jewish names that are made of their vocabulary words that can tell us something about the person. For example, in Hebrew, when you say the name David, you are saying "Loving". If you call someone "Bethany" in Chaldean, not Hebrew, you are calling her "Date House"; and this, I understand means a house where you dry dates. So, possibly a woman given this name is someone God knew would one day be full of His sweet and nutritious fruit of His love, so He arranged for her to have this name (c: Abram's family started in Chaldea (Genesis 11:31-12:6), which is the source of names like Bethany that we see in the Bible ; so we have non-Jewish names showing up in Jewish areas, because maybe of Abram coming from Chaldea, and not all names in the early scripture are Jewish and made with Hebrew vocabulary.

I see that having vocabulary-made names is like how tribal people in America and Africa have used vocabulary words to make names to say what they know about a person; this way, you are identifying someone not just by a label but by a name that tells you something about the person so you know who you are talking about. For example, in a native tribe's language, you might be called "Running Bear" or "Lazy Turtle" or whatever tells what people in your tribal family know is true about you! In the case of Jewish names, though, God has had people get names which tell what God knows about someone. And, like how American tribal people might change the name of someone when something about the person changes, God has changed people's names > for example, the name of Abram ("high father") was changed by God to "Abraham" ("father of many" > Genesis 17:5).

While he was "Abram", he was a high father, but with no son through his own wife Sarai. But then God promised Him a son and called Him "Abraham", meaning he would be not just high as a father but a father with many people born in his family line of his own wife Sarah's son Isaac. And this can have meaning about our Heavenly Father > He does not want to be just high with His one Son Jesus, but the Father of many like Jesus.

Ones were called Hebrews, then, because they were in the family line of Eber and they were across or their family line is from across the Jordan River, on the eastern side, I understand. Joseph in Egypt was called "a Hebrew" (Genesis 39:14); because by family background he was from "across" the Jordan River, from Egypt. It might be like how ones say certain people are "from the other side of the track." And so, ones in Egypt could have looked down on him because he was not from Egypt. But "the things which are despised God has chosen," we have in 1 Corinthians 1:28. So, how people judge is not what matters or works with God ! ! ! (c: So, we have no need to worry about how conceited people judge ones who are different than themselves > however, let us make sure we are different from conceited people, by not looking down on anyone! (c: > > > "Let all that you do be done with love." (1 Corinthians 16:14) "And this I pray, that your love may abound still more and more in knowledge and all discernment." (Philippians 1:9) < here . . . I understand that "discernment" means how God's love has us judging . . . judging what to do to love each and any person, but for the sake of Your purpose, LORD, that we become pleasing to You like Jesus is, and so loving.

Genesis 10:25 > Eber was the father of Peleg. Remember that God's special reason for continuing to have humans of earth was so He can have children who are like Jesus > "For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren." (Romans 8:29) So, He didn't save Noah only because He found Noah to be a righteous person, I now consider, but because He desires to have many children who are like Jesus. This is something that I now would say is always involved in how God judges and manages things to happen, in history > He is making sure He continues with His plan to have children who are like His Son Jesus so pleasing to Him. "So Jesus is His vision, of how He judges and manages history." So we need Jesus to be our vision, also!! (c:

So, then, if a country is kept from a major destruction or judgment, it may not be because the country does not deserve major punishing judgment > plus, may be it is not really because the country is somehow Christian and right . . . but because God wants to have His children who are pleasing to Him like Jesus is; and so He does not just wipe out any and all wrong people but keeps them around so He can change ones of them to become like Jesus, and use wrong people to test us and refine us so we become like how Jesus was loving with even very wrong people > "Therefore be imitators of God as dear children. And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma." (Ephesians 5:1-2) < while Jesus was suffering and dying like that, He was "sweet-smelling" to our Father . . . busy not merely with judging those wrong people, but being about pleasing our Father; so we, too, need while going through things to be sweet about it ! ! ! (c:

What we might call justice, then, needs to not be what comes first, in how we make decisions about ourselves and people; instead of only seeking to lord ourselves and our "justice" over people, seek first to win people with our example > "nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:3) Also - - if you do something wrong and seem to get away with it, this does not mean God is overlooking what you did, but possibly that He is more concerned with you coming out to be like Jesus; so, if you are forgiven or do not suffer rightful consequences, please make sure that you are "taking advantage of this" by changing to be more loving and "gentle and lowly in heart" (Matthew 11:29) so we are compatible with our Groom Jesus so we can spend eternity together!! (c:

What we especially need to make sure of, then, is how we are becoming "gentle and lowly in heart" like Jesus is (Matthew 11:29), so we can be loving like He in us has us relating > "with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffering, bearing with one another in love," (Ephesians 4:2) < this is in our Christian calling . . . not just how to judge right and wrong people, and not just what God calls us to do to serve Him and minister; but our calling is mainly about how to be holy-and-relating in God's own love. And this includes how to be sweetly pleasing to You our Father > so we are more and more like how Jesus on the cross was "a sweet-smelling aroma" (Ephesians 5:2) . . . by living in Your love's "incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is" (1 Peter 3:4) so precious to You.

In chapter ten, here, we see there is quite a number of different people named. Before this, God did bless Noah (Genesis 9:1) and his family and told them to be fruitful and to multiply, and all these people came after the flood. So, the Bible telling us this shows that many people did come after God blessed Noah and his people. So, even though there had been the great flood, destroying so much, still God's blessing brought all these people and more to be living on this earth. So, like this, even if a major problem takes away so much, still blessing can bring so much more than was taken. And Jesus says, "bless those who curse you," in Matthew 5:44, and we have "not returning evil for evil or reviling for reviling, but on the contrary blessing," in 1 Peter 3:9 < I believe this includes with each other < there will be times when ones of us do what is evil and we need to invest in blessing and our good example to win each other to do better. And here is what the angel of the LORD said to Abraham > "'In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.'" (Genesis 22:18) So, we bless not only with words saying "God bless you," or by praying blessing, but we can bless by obeying God . . . and by being His good examples > "nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:3) So, be sure to judge that blessing can bring such good. And God wants us to do this; so, even though we are not perfect, God is spiritual enough and committed to make this work!!! with us (c:

God knew each of these men who are named in Genesis chapter 10. These were real people. But in a number of cases, I see, ones of these men are mentioned by name and this is all. Possibly, many lived their lives in sin and so they never really did anything and they are lost. But God loves and cares about each one He has made. God personally has known every human who has been on this earth. And though ones are not even named in the Bible or anywhere in writings, still there are "the books" of the Day of Judgment which have their names and all they have done, I consider the Bible means in Revelation 20:12.

Genesis chapter 11 >
Genesis 11:1-9 > Everyone on earth spoke the same language, and people decided to stay in one place and build a tower there. But, I understand, God wanted the whole earth to have people; so their plan to stay put was against what God wants. So, He caused them to speak different languages so they could not understand one another and do their own thing together, I understand. And this is why we have so many different languages > so people will be in different places . . . in order that God can have many people who are His children becoming pleasing to Him and relating with Him like Jesus. God, then, is not just about judging people, or He could have just killed people in Babel because of their self seeking. But God needed to follow through with the blessing of Noah and his family (c: and our good judgment has us also mainly about blessing, so that God will have many children who are pleasing like Jesus. "But that blessing is not just for quantity but quality (c:"

Therefore, God is not only all-knowing of what has been and what will be, but He knows the reason (c:

Genesis 11:16-32 > Eber had his son named Peleg, then one son of Peleg was Reu > then came Serug  > then Nahor who had a son named Terah > Terah is the father of Abram; and Haran, Abram's brother, is the father of Lot who would stay with Abram because Lot's father Haran died. So, Abram was called a Hebrew because he is in the family line of Eber. And later God changed Abram's name to Abraham. And his father is named Teran, and his brother Haran died, leaving Lot behind. So, Lot was Abram's nephew. And this information can help us be ready for Genesis chapter 12.

Good to see you (c: God bless you, too (c: bill

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Genesis 12, comments . . .
« Reply #60 on: Thu May 24, 2012 - 05:54:49 »
Genesis chapter 12 > It is good to see you all (c: God bless you (c: Well, now I am feeling the need to be humble, not to just try to show off what I think I know and the whole world needs to be getting from me > "For I say, through the grace given to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith." (Romans 12:3)

We have some comments >

"Hi, may God bless you for the good deeds you are doing.  May God bless those people you are feeding too, that they too will find the goodness of God and His blessings that overflows when we make HIM first in our lives. What you said is very very true. remain blessed!!!!!"

Very good . . . to say we need to put God FIRST in our lives, and our needs for food etc. are not really so important. And thank you all for the comments encouraging and blessing me.

"Are you still working or just doing a project?" I "worked", by helping at a homeless feeding breakfast thing for a week and a half. Now I am praying and seeing what I do as I go along (c: I have been doing Net sharing and we had our evening group, Tuesday. And I have been doing more personal things with people where I am and phone palling, not so much e-mailing, not doing a devotion each day or so like I did. I'm praying for what God wants. I just did pancakes with grated carrots and chopped onions and broken-up almonds and Brazil nuts and some seasoning > they are like chicken dressing as a pancake (c: yes, yummy . . . for me (c: lol

"I like your approach how to deal with difficult people. Yes, our only strength and wisdom comes from Jesus inside. If we are in the Holy Spirit we cannot react in anger and it is possible to treat people with love and respect."

My approach . . . I just had a major run-in with someone. For days, I was imagining how to control the person to make the other person understand me and straighten out. I was thinking of "for the wrath of man does not produce the righteousness of God." (James 1:20) And surely in my imagination I was getting ready for how to use this verse to straighten out the other person. But then I got how my paranoid imagining was anger that was not producing the righteousness of God, halleluiah! So, I was the one who needed to be dealt with. Also, one time, I woke up and I noticed my hands were trembling, and I was thinking this could be stress that could take me down to death; I felt like I was going down. But I was still and left it to God. With time and learning to be kind in my imagination and have hope for the person, I got more into peace and praying for the person, instead of thinking how to control and straighten out the person; and then we were together with others and I got even into joy and we had a great time along with others, with more joy than I ever have had with Christians; I even was bouncing and wiggling in victory (c: God did better with us, than what I would have tried to get with us by controlling for only what I could want. So, I need to hold on to this . . . how I can be in peace with love and caring for, instead of going along with criticizing and controlling > "nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:3)

Also, if we have problems with our Christian brothers and sisters . . . if I give up on someone, how is this going to help the person do better? How would you feel if you have a problem and your own family of Jesus gives up on you? So, we need to be strong, ourselves, in example of love with encouragement and hope for any person and stay this way in prayer and sharing with people who are a problem and have personality problems. And this includes ourselves > do not think our own personality problems have to stay for the rest of our lives; as God changes us to become like Jesus who is "gentle and lowly in heart" (Matthew 11:29), our emotions and desires and feelings will be more and more humble and gentle and kind (c: . . . not those "lusts which war against the soul." (in 1 Peter 2:11)

I was listening to Charles Stanley, and he said rejection can be a way of controlling people, by treating them like they are nothing so they will go along with you, not feeling they can do things or that anything good can be expected from them.

"I really like the following sentence.
Instead of being so busy with what we feel we ourselves deserve, in our judging, we need to be mostly concerned about what You our Father deserve (c: The glory is to You ! ! ! (c:" amen ! This is a good one to have a reunion with (c: Instead of judging mainly about what we deserve, be judging about what You our Father deserve (c: I think there is prosperity in which people are mostly concerned about what they deserve, instead of what God deserves.

So, let's see what we can do with chapter twelve of Genesis (c: God bless you, too >

sweet to Your ears
sweet to Your nose
beautiful to Your eyes
may I be how You
want me to be
and not only me
but I need to care
about others as myself
with hope for all
that is possible with You
for me but also
with hope for all
that is possible with You
for any and all others
"a sweet-smelling aroma"
like Jesus (Ephesians 5:2)
Your beauty of melody
in our hearts, "making
melody in your heart
to the Lord" (Ephesians 5:19)
"the incorruptible beauty
of a gentle and quiet spirit,
which is very precious
in the sight of God." (in 1 Peter 3:4)
do not fear the person
while he or she can be wrong
but feed for how the person
can do better > example
in the sight of God
"nor as being lords over
those entrusted to you,
but being examples
to the flock." (1 Peter 5:3)
You are trusting us
to love each and every person
so we are being trusted (c:
kissing You with
thanksgiving appreciation
how You want us, now, please
submitting and sharing
and enjoying caring
"all things to enjoy" (in 1 Timothy 6:17)
of loving and not possessing and controlling
but freely loving
"Freely you have received,
freely give." (in Matthew 10:8)

just as each one is > ones of us might like that song, "Just As I Am", wanting Jesus to take us as we are; but now I understand this needs to be also that we take each person just as each person really is . . . instead of trying to make them who they aren't and what we think they ought to be. We can try to make people in our own image, so we can use them the way we want. And we can be so ready for Jesus to take us just as we are, but we ourselves are not so ready to love people by taking them just as they are; but I understand that how Jesus loves us just as we are is how He expects us also to be compassionate and forgiving with any and all people. Jesus does command us, "as I have loved you, that you also love one another." (in John 13:34)

Genesis 12 >
God told Abram to leave his country and his family. And He said Abram would have a land that God would give to him.

"And you shall be a blessing." (in Genesis 12:2) God guaranteed that He would make Abram a blessing.

That You, LORD, make us a blessing to people > this is an ambition we have! (c: If we love others as ourselves, we care as much about others as we care about our own selves, I understand; so we want You to make us Your blessing to any and all people. "While we are obeying Him, we are a blessing." Consider Genesis 22:18 > "'In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.'"

The land that Abram was to leave could have been his family's inheritance that Abram might have felt he should take care of for his family; so I can see that Abram (later to be called Abraham) might have been concerned about leaving his family and land. But God said to go; this is enough, if God says to do something.

"When you live by faith, you don't look for a reason; you look for the possibility of what God can do."

Also, God guaranteed he would be a blessing. For someone who cares about others as oneself, saying he would be a blessing could be a strong "argument" for Abram to do what God said to do (c: If we care about others as ourselves, we are not just concerned about what will happen to us if we do what God says to do. And God is all-loving; so every thing He says and orders is for the good of all people and not only for ourselves.

Having authority doesn't make you somebody. Being accepted may not make us somebody.

Abraham would be moving into the land where the Canaanites already were. In such a situation, one might be concerned about having more than other people, or concerned about being given land where other people were already living. But God guaranteed that He would make Abraham a blessing. So, it can be like this for us > ones of us might feel guilty about having more than other Christians. But if God makes us a blessing . . . and if He is using what He gives to us . . . then the things we have are not only for us. We should not isolate ourselves like what we have is only for us, or like we are on our own; but we are one with each other > "members of one another" (Romans 12:5, Ephesians 4:25) . . . sharing. And I believe God's love has us trusting and depending on each other, so we can be sharing > not only because we need each other, but so we can have companionship with God and each other. So, an idol of "independence" can be very irresponsible! (c: keeping us from having love that our Father desires for us to share.

We need to be able to let go of what we have, in case God wants us to move - - or so we can just go on a short walk to reach or help someone, or maybe make a phone call. Jesus left Heaven itself, in order to be with us and help us (c:

Genesis 12:6-7 > Abram came to the land promised to him. The Canaanites were there; but Noah had cursed Canaan; so this could work to make the ones from Abram succeed in getting the land.

Genesis 12:7 > In this verse, it says "he built an altar to the LORD, who had appeared to him." Genesis 12:6 shows this was in Shechem.

But can't we have our altar with God everywhere we go? Is our true altar made with human hands? In Hebrews, it says, "We have an altar from which those who serve the tabernacle have no right to eat." (Hebrews 13:10) We can have worship in us, all the time. They sacrificed animals on their altars. We inside of us can be sacrificed to God's love and sacrificed to doing only what You have us doing with You in Your peace (Colossians 3:15). It says, "But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him." (1 Corinthians 6:17) So, we are joined with the Lord Himself in us > I see this can mean that the Holy Spirit in us is the altar of our soul. And we are sacrificed to Him and His love (Romans 5:5) and forgiving (Mark 11:25-26, Ephesians 4:31-32, Colossians 3:12-13), more and more as we grow in being "one spirit with Him" in us.

Genesis 12:10-20 > There is a famine; so Abram goes with his people to Egypt. And Pharaoh king of Egypt takes Abram's wife because Abram had Sarai tell them she is his sister. But there is trouble from the LORD about Pharaoh having Abram's wife . . . even though Pharaoh does not know she's a married woman. He realizes the trouble is because he has Abram's wife. So, even though he did not know, still the LORD makes things hard for him. So, I see there can be hard things that come our way, because of what we do, even when we have not meant to do anything that we know is wrong. And I can see God was protecting Abram, since he is God's person . . . even when Abram helped to fool the Pharaoh into taking his wife. So, if we are children of God, we need to be careful not to lead others the wrong way; because they can get in much trouble because of doing wrong things to us or with us.

And I think of how God has His plan for Sarai to be the mother of Isaac who would give rise to Israel. No way was God going to allow Pharaoh to marry Sarai and stop her from being the mother of Israel! So, God making problems for Pharaoh was not only about judging him for what he did not know he was doing; it was about God's overall plan and purpose . . . I consider.

So, God bless you, too . . . good to see you (c: bill

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Genesis chapter 13 > "God our Reward (c:"
« Reply #61 on: Tue Jun 05, 2012 - 12:15:52 »
a couple comments (c: >

"at times all of us get off tract and I do believe we forget to let go and let God.  I know I do"

"That was very uplifting! I was praying about some things this morning and some of what you said in here definitely was a confirmation of what I was thinking. You are always a blessing! It was good to hear from you! Have a blessed day!"

"Good to hear from you.

"I specially liked the following: I think there is prosperity in which people are mostly concerned about what they deserve, instead of what God deserves.

"I liked your sharing about Abraham and Sarah and how God always protect His plan even in spite of our mistakes. Although Abraham was a man of faith he also made mistakes. It is good to know that even when we make mistakes God can still make it to work out ok if we are focused to hear His voice and to obey.

"Than you for sharing."

You are part of my reward for being a Christian (c: Let us go on to Genesis chapter thirteen (c: >

Genesis chapter thirteen > "God our Reward (c:"

There was something I was doing, and I knew how to do it. And I was pushing to get it done. And I got a wee still voice saying not to push and force it, but ease up and submit to God and trust Him to have me get things done in time while I am submitting to Him and He is easing me along in peace. I might have been doing dishes, or getting ready to take my bike to get groceries; these are times when I can get into hurrying to get it done, make it happen. But I can enjoy it with the LORD, "and trust the timing to Him".

So, let us feed through more of Genesis (c: Jesus says, "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God." (in Matthew 4:4) So, I consider that every word of Genesis can feed us for loving.

In Genesis chapter thirteen we see that "Abram was very rich in livestock, in silver, and in gold." (Genesis 13:2) By the way, I see this is chapter thirteen, and there are people who consider thirteen to be an unlucky number > Paul was the thirteenth apostle . . . not very lucky for Satan and his kingdom! And here in chapter thirteen of Genesis we have Abram getting settled in the land where God told him to go . . . his obedience not being very lucky for Satan. So, who's got the problem with the number thirteen, maybe? (c:

In verse four, we see that Abram goes to where he had built an altar, before. And he worships, there.

Genesis 13:5-7 > God blessed Abram and Lot to have so much that they did not have enough land with grass to support their animals together. Plus, then the herders of Abram and Lot were getting into problems with each other. So, yes God blessed them, but they were not able to handle it well. It is not that God won't give us prosperity, but that we "may" not be able to handle all that He would give us. We want . . . we need . . . to do all with love > "Let all that you do be done with love." (1 Corinthians 16:14)

And God is blessing us . . . trusting us . . . with people to love. But we can be looking for something else to be our prosperity. But I am finding that one minute of sharing in God's love with a lady of Jesus does more for me than a billion universes of gold and silver could (c: But we need to be in God's love so we can benefit from sharing with His love people. I know of people who are searching the whole world for a loving companion. But first we need to have the character of love which makes us able to sense and know who is of God's love; then we can find these people, right where we are. But this comes with loving any and all people, not only our favorites who we hope to use for what we want > "For if you love those who love you, what reward have you?" (in Matthew 5:46)

So . . . I'm offering > if we are picky and choosy about whom we love, this can keep us out of God's love which would make us able to attract together with other really loving people right where we are.

"And this I pray, that your love may abound still more and more in knowledge and all discernment." (Philippians 1:9) In God's love, alone, we have the sense to tell who we belong with so we are not getting with the wrong people . . . like many have done . . . while boasting how they would so love each other for the rest of their lives. It is in God's all-loving love that we have the character with honest senses making us able to discover who else is truly loving, deeply, and not only in say-so and show.

Ones show the "you can use me" act, of talking smoothly and smartly so you think they can understand what you want, plus they act charming to show they will be so nice about doing what you want to use them to get. And then worldly love has us falling in love with that person . . . actually being in love with what we want to use the person to get. And then is when "not exactly" happens!

So we can fool our own selves, and we have not even seen this, have we? We, then, need to submit to God who alone can make us right and give us sense of love so we are wise to our own selves, never mind anyone else!! (c: And then be committed to love any and all people the way You please, LORD our Father. And this will have us with You as our Reward as we go with the flow of how You have us loving (c: We will have You to enjoy while also pleasing You (c:

Genesis 13:8-13 > Abram did not let the trouble continue between the herders of Lot and Abram's animals. Abram understood they needed to do things as family. So, he made the sacrifice of encouraging Lot to choose where he wanted to use land, and Abram would take the area that Lot did not choose. I see Abram knew full well that God would take care of him, so that he did not need to control how Lot chose > he would be taken care of. It was more important to value family, than it was to make sure he got himself taken care of. But if we seek first the kingdom of God's family loving, Jesus says > "'But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you.'" (Matthew 6:33)

Love is always the right way to go; even if loving means the sacrifice of a cross > there will be a resurrection, later . . . to more than all we have lost . . . if our sacrifice is obeying God in His love > "And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma." (Ephesians 5:2) His love is sweetly satisfying to us while His love has us doing His will, and making us sweetly pleasing to Him. So, possibly we have this feedback of Your love, how we are so sweetly pleased so we know we are in Your love making us sweetly pleasing to You (c:

Also, we have > "I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me." (Galatians 2:20) I notice how it says Jesus loved Paul and gave Himself for Paul. I see this can mean that Jesus loved Paul first, before making the sacrifice. People can make sacrifices which are not cheerful and deeply satisfying in God's love, and so they can be wasting the person and stressing and burning the person out. Jesus is not the one who is driving and forcing and threatening and worrying and hurrying us to do that stuff. Our Father wants us to do His business in family love sharing and caring > "with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffering, bearing with one another in love," (Ephesians 4:2) > we need to prepare in prayer so we are loving first, making sure we first are sacrificed to You in Your love with "rest for your souls" (Matthew 11:29) before we make any sacrifice.

And we have how Jesus related with the rich one > "Jesus, looking at him, loved him, and said to him," we have in Mark 10:21. So, Jesus loved first before He spoke (c: So, we need to love first before we speak and do things and make sacrifices.

Now I see that those herdsmen were having trouble with each other because they were afraid of not getting food for their masters' animals. They feared, maybe, failing their masters. They did not understand how Abram was about family loving, or else maybe they would not have had strife against each other. And, like this, we ourselves in doing church business can forget how our Father is first about loving; and so we can struggle and fight for what we feel God demands and dictates, instead of first getting into the love He wants us to do things in. So, also, then, as I have said, I need to not be pushing and forcing to make things happen. But say no to the frustration and angry spirit witch would drive me. "Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you." (James 4:7)

Genesis 13:14-18 > After Abram has made his choice for family loving, instead of independent ambition, now the LORD shows him that the LORD will give Abram all the land that he will have, plus He guarantees that those who come from Abram will be "as the dust of the earth". This is how it can work > after we have made the choice and commitment to love, then is when in His love we have communication with God about all He has for us and how He pleases to guide us and share with us.

"We need to be in God's love so that not only do we hear what He tells us, but also we have His guiding to do what He means! (c:"

And Abram builds an altar. An altar is a set structure that is meant to last a while. So, I consider that having an altar can represent how his relationship is meant to continue with God . . . like how the altar continues to be. There are set things of God which are meant, I understand, to represent how God is committed to continuing with us, like how the things or traditions keep on.

But - - most of all > in us, our faith and love continue as our real proof > "Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us." (Romans 5:5)

And the real reward of being a family love person was not the land God gave to Abram, but the true reward was being with the LORD ! ! ! (c: God is about family > He is Father and Son and Holy Spirit > there is more than one Person in love (c: So, these are not "gods" but sharing Persons of love, each love Person with special love purposes. God is our Reward for doing what He pleases, now; because while we do what You please, we have You in Your love guiding us and sharing with us . . . now as our Reward (c: for doing what You have us doing with You in Your love's peace > "And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)

And while we do all that God pleases . . . in His love . . . we also have all the others of us who are living in this love, included as our reward (c: So, thank you for being with me, God bless you, too (c:

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Genesis chapter 14 > "winning (c:"
« Reply #62 on: Tue Jun 05, 2012 - 12:20:06 »
comment > "I enjoyed reading these different passages, and learning more about God's will, and not my will.  This passage stuck out with me because, I never looked at rejection as a way of controlling another person.  It has given me a different spiritual revelation why some people are not accepted in this world.  Very Powerful Words!!!  {"I was listening to Charles Stanley, and he said rejection can be a way of controlling people, by treating them like they are nothing so they will go along with you, not feeling they can do things or that anything good can be expected from them."}  Thanks for sharing the Word of God with me.  May the Lord bless you and your ministry a hundredth fold in Jesus' Name. Amen.
"God Bless You"
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So, we have in Genesis chapter 13, that God gave the land to Abram (Genesis 13: 14-18), and Abram went to Hebron, and he "built an altar there to the LORD." (in Genesis 13:18) And altars were used to make animal blood and burnt sacrifices to the LORD.

But Jesus tells us about how the Bible says, "I desire mercy and not sacrifice," in Matthew 9:13. There are wrong people who can make sacrifices in order to show how good they are . . . while they do not admit that their things are wrong, and therefore they are not getting forgiveness. Also, people can punish themselves, in order to try to pay God off so they can keep on seeking their treasure pleasures. And ones can work very hard and do a lot for others . . . but be doing this to make up for their faults, so people will say they are good people and accept their problems. But God wants mercy, forgiveness, with healing that corrects us to be in His love, instead.

This can apply to dieting, also. Ones can make a big sacrifice to do extra exercise, etc., when they fail to keep to their diet. But God wants us to do what is good, in the first place . . . learn to live well, and adapt our eating to the life of loving that we do, instead of adapting our lives to make up for how we are not eating right. And then we will be deeply satisfied by Your love satisfying us, and we will have how Your love's almighty power is giving us natural self-control. "'For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.'" (Matthew 11:30)
. . . . .

So, here we come to Genesis chapter 14 > where some kings are fighting each other.  We can see how they live (c:

Genesis 14:1-10 >
Two groups of kings fight each other. It looks to me like one group beat the other and made the defeated ones serve and pay the winners. The kings of Sodom and Gomorrah were in the loser group; I wonder why. We can see that Sodom was very evil and so they were losers. But it may not always be that wrong people lose in fights and competition; but I see that, once ones really go down into sin, they lose ability to do a lot of things, including being disciplined enough to fight effectively . . . or to make wise decisions. May be . . . I am considering . . . they were fallen enough so they lost and became servants, then they were dumb enough to try to get out from under King Chedorlaomer who was ruling them > Genesis 14:4.

Genesis 14:11-12 >
But the winning people took Lot and his family and all he had. He had been living in Sodom, yes, but he was not one of the wicked ones!
Genesis 14:13-17 > So, things would turn out differently, now that the warring people took Lot who was not wicked; when you mess with someone who is with God, you can get into problems that did not happen while you are messing only with other wicked people. Plus . . . not to mention . . . Lot was one of Abram's relatives. Abram had been leaving those fighting kings alone to mind their own business, I would say; but when they got his nephew Lot involved . . . Abram with his men attacked and creamed the ones who took Lot and his family.

They used "three hundred and eighteen" men who were trained. I'd say this number was quite a . . . lot (c: . . . fewer than the enemy had. But they were God's people with God's training and God was with them, I would say. And even practically I would say they with discipline could beat any number, by keeping a formation and knocking back and killing whoever was closest to them, until no one else was near their front attack > they could take turns being up front, even, practically, so ones could rest and then take the front again. And, I'm considering, the enemy's "best" fighters could be in the first line against Abram's men . . . if they ever got organized, at all, during Abram and his men's night attack; so if they killed off a front line of best fighters, right away . . . that could make things quite easier, after that.

And, like this . . . maybe . . . if you have a tough problem, take it head on, just like taking on the front hardest fighters of another army against you; because with God you can beat that hardest thing; so face it, instead of trying to get around it or only deal with what seem like easier things. Deal with the impossible person . . . in prayer first, of course > get your victory in prayer with love, and move with God guaranteeing you (c:

Also, of course, the enemy possibly was drinking and drugging, so they would not stand against Abram's men.

But these are just a few ideas I have > God was with them; that's what really mattered. But they did attack at night (Genesis 14:15) so possibly the enemy could not tell how many were attacking; this could help. There may have been no organization of best fighters up front, at all. And, like this, if someone or a problem is a wrong thing or wrong person against you . . . if you are right with God, trusting Him . . . that enemy or problem is in truth weaker than you!!! Or . . . you need to wait and pray more and get more with God. Also, indeed God may give you practical ways to deal with things and people . . . even though you are really guaranteed because you are with God and you are obeying how He has you be and how He guides you to do things.

Christ beat the devil while Christ was the dead man,
Christ beat the devil while Christ was the dead man;
so if Jesus beat Satan while Jesus was the dead man,
"then" we are guaranteed with Jesus ! !

And this is how to do things, with God > stay in shape, spiritually and emotionally, so you can do what He has you doing in His peace > "And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15) And it won't matter how many people are around you, because God will be with you and in front of you and behind you and on each side of you (c: He will have people and things fit together with you and all He has you doing.

And Abram and his men got everyone and everything back.

Genesis 14:18-20 >
Then the king of Sodom met Abram after they came back. And "Melchizedek king of Salem" met Abram and blessed him. Melchizedek "was the priest of God Most High." So, even though Abram was with God and so successful in this life against those enemies . . . (c: . . . still he needed to be blessed by God's person!!! (c: He was not great on his own, and he needed how others of God blessed and helped him. So we need to be humble to receive how really obedient people of Jesus bless and help us. We're "members of one another" (Romans 12:5, Ephesians 4:25); so we depend on each other, even more, I would say, than members of a physical body need each other. This is how God has this work; in God's love we have the sense and balance for how to trust and depend on each other > "And this I pray, that your love may abound still more and more in knowledge and all discernment." (Philippians 1:9)

God has His love people so we are trusting and depending on each other and so need one another . . . but how God has this working. So, if we try to play it safe by staying to ourselves, no way can this work, because God's way is with mutual trusting and depending and so sharing. In His love, this is the only thing that can happen (c: So, if it is not . . . I need to get with God and His correction healing me into His love. "And trust Him for this with my brothers and sisters." < "the unity of the faith" (in Ephesians 4:13) > "faith working through love" (Galatians 5:6).

But there are people who claim and complain that there aren't any really Christian churches where they are. Well, "it takes one to know one." We need to be honest with God and obedient, so that He can connect us with really right people > our character can be like a magnet that attracts us, deeply, together with others of our "feather"; with God, we can find ones who are right, but in our self-seeking we can be in the dark about who we are getting together with. He can give us the sense to know the difference, but we ourselves need to be His way, and He knows if we are! (c:

I can not expect God to trust me with a real lady while He knows I'm not being a real man.

Genesis 14:21-24 > Abram refused to accept anything from the king of wicked Sodom. He knew better than to depend on and trust him. Genesis 14:13 says Abram was "allies" with Mamre . . . not with the king of Sodom. He did not get involved in the fighting of those kings. But when Lot was included in the plundering by those kings . . . that crossed the wrong line; then was when those wicked kings found they had Abram to deal with. And, though he was allied with Mamre, it does not say he used any of Mamre's men; I would say Abram knew that with God his own men were plenty.

Also, if Abram and his men could so defeat those kings who beat and controlled the people of Sodom, then I would say Abram and his men could have attacked and defeated Sodom. But I think he had better things to do. Just because you can do something, this does not mean God wants you to! (c: He had enough men to defeat the kings who beat Sodom, and he had enough men to take over and use Sodom, but with God he had enough. God is our Reward; He is enough > "be content with such things as you have" (in Hebrews 13:5) > let enough be enough (c:

With God, we always have enough. "My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness," Jesus says in 2 Corinthians 12:9. We have God as our Reward, as we go through anything with Him, doing things His way. While we may be doing things to get what is nicer in our lives, our real Reward is the LORD, so that "enough is enough"; and while we go through hard things for Jesus > yes, You are our Reward, right now in Your love (c: So, it is not only during hard things when we can get more with God (c: God bless you, too (c: Thank You, God our Father, for all which this sharing means to You and how You bless us with Your meaning, and thanks for our sharing with one another, here in reading and in prayer and in unity. In the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, amen.