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Question: What sin do you think is the worst?
spirit of rebellion   -3 (13.6%)
homosexuality   -4 (18.2%)
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covetousness   -0 (0%)
alcohol/drug addiction   -2 (9.1%)
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« Reply #60 on: December 07, 2008, 01:45:57 AM »

Good points, kmv. Even so, the definition of sin is not that which causes harm, it is transgression of God's law.

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yes i agree to James. Sin is what separate God's creation to Him because God has laws and when the first sin entered into Lucifer which he then enfluenced to many angels it infested many including earth; us.

I agree that there are degree of sin in terms of punishments but there is no degree of sin as to our relationship with God. Sin is sin and it separated us from God. Sin is disobedience from God hence the eternal separation as a consequence.

I read this article from someone that long long before mankind was created when Lucifer fall into sin or disobedience/rebellion, he accused God of being an unloving God and unfair so to prove, God created mankind to show to His angels that He indeed is loving yet abideth to His laws. He set simple rules to Adam and Eve but lucifer tempted them, hence they were infested too. And so our first parents were separated from God too because just like lucifer they go against the laws of God. Lucifer knew that God is loving and compassionate so if God forgive Adam and Eve then he should be forgiven too. God cursed Adam and Eve and send them out of Paradise but although separated God watched over them from a distance making His move that one day His lovely created beings will be reunited with Him. Knowing in advance, the three Godhead made a discussion to redeem mankind and the Son in His compassion to His creation agreed to paid the price; even losing His throne and His glorious appearance for all eternity and so it did happened. God cover the abominable sites of mankind's sins from His sights with the holiness of His son. and in so doing it is not us whom God see but His son. The Son on the other hand spread His loving arms to those who truly calls and believe in what He does on the cross breaking the barrier that prevents man from entering the holy throne of God thru His holy blood. The only requirement Jesus asked us to obtain the forgiveness of our sins is to believe in Him. Lucifer in his trick losses the moment he crucified the Lord on the cross.

It is only an article and assumption so if you asked me if sins are the same yes it is the same big or small but all are forgivable because Jesus paid it all. However in the judgement day there it says somewhere in the bible that all lost people will be judge according to their works and the weight of their sins. Probably as to the weight of punishment or something.   

But to sum it all; how sad and lonely it would be for those who got chances in this life to know Jesus but rejected it. It is the loniest by far that i can imagine being away from our loving creator forever.

The funny thing is; that there are times when i feel this feeling of unworthiness? That i'd rather be crushed and destroyed forever than continue hurting the One that i love most because of my sinful life. Crying and sad.   

 
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« Reply #61 on: January 23, 2009, 10:42:28 AM »

My church read a book called "Respectable Sins"  With it it helps you to understand that even though we might think one sin is worse then the other, in gods eyes if it is a sin it is equal no matter what.  That is why we seek forgiveness for all sins.  Not the ones we think are worse then the other.
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« Reply #62 on: April 27, 2009, 02:19:33 PM »

After reading all of these posts a question creating conflict arises in my mind.  For the most part  protestants take the poition of equality in all sins.  However I remember catholics referring to VENAL SINS  and to  CAPITAL SINS .  Being new (to this forum) I naturally am confused.  Protestants and Catholics are all christians are they not?  I`m aware that there are some doctrinal differences but can there be seperate rules for sin?  I live in that some of my confusions may be relieved through this forum,ie: i`m here to learn.
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« Reply #63 on: April 27, 2009, 02:27:50 PM »

After reading all of these posts a question creating conflict arises in my mind.  For the most part  protestants take the poition of equality in all sins.  However I remember catholics referring to VENAL SINS  and to  CAPITAL SINS .  Being new (to this forum) I naturally am confused.  Protestants and Catholics are all christians are they not?  I`m aware that there are some doctrinal differences but can there be seperate rules for sin?  I live in that some of my confusions may be relieved through this forum,ie: i`m here to learn.

Catholics are well.. Catholic.. Protestants.. are well.. protesting Catholic abuses and have removed themselves from under the authority of what they see as a corrupt papal hierarcy.

Protestants pretty much believe in sola scriptura in which they believe that the bible is the final authority in all christian matters.

While the Catholic's believe in a combination of papal succession (God passing the leadership of the church to one individual from generation to generation, and this individual 'the pope' has final say on doctrinal matters and is considered infallable), scriptures, and catholic church history.

Catholic's classify sins so they can determine how much penance someone has to do to be forgiven... in the middle ages it also determined how much money a person might have to pay the church to have their sins forgiven.  Then there was one of the main parts of the reformation that the protestants revolted against, which was a practice of selling indulgences.

The Catholic church feels they have somehow 'stored up' a certain amount of forgiveness that they can dispense to people as it sees fit.. by paying money to the church you could tap into this reserve of forgiveness and not have to pay penance for particular sins... it because a big money making scheme for them.

So although the world may tag Protestants and Catholics with the generic label of 'Christian'... both sides of the fence might want to argue against it.

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« Reply #64 on: April 30, 2009, 11:38:46 PM »

After reading all of these posts a question creating conflict arises in my mind.  For the most part  protestants take the poition of equality in all sins.  However I remember catholics referring to VENAL SINS  and to  CAPITAL SINS .  Being new (to this forum) I naturally am confused.  Protestants and Catholics are all christians are they not?  I`m aware that there are some doctrinal differences but can there be seperate rules for sin?  I live in that some of my confusions may be relieved through this forum,ie: i`m here to learn.

"If you break one law, you've broken them all."

This passage gets us in all sorts of problems. It is not suggesting that one sin is as bad as another. Rather, it simply speaks to the fact that we are imperfect if we are not perfect. Once we are imperfect, there is nothing that can change that - especially if we are relying on Law for our justification.

The Catholic understanding that some behaviors are worse than others is correct. I don't know that I'd agree with their choices of venial and mortal sins, or of their proposed "fix" for them, but mass murder is clearly worse than speeding to church.
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« Reply #65 on: May 02, 2009, 09:56:31 PM »

James 2:10
10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.


even wrong  thought is sin

Matthew 5:28
28But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

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« Reply #66 on: May 02, 2009, 11:06:21 PM »

All sins are similar in that they all bring us below the line of perfection, which is why we need Jesus, but not all sins are the same in the effects that they have on ourselves or on others.
 To use an extreme example. to muder someone or to committ adultery are sins that deeply hurt and affect many others and that also have serious repurcussions for the person who committed them(ie by being sent to jail or  loosing you family etc), while saying a swear word when we hurt ourselves hurts no one else in this way and we can quicky repent and it is forgotton.
So in this way some sins are definatetly more serious than others and the Bible clealry implies that.

Also we are told that sexual sins are different becuase they are sins against our own bodies and that must affect us in a very serious way.
 
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« Reply #67 on: July 31, 2009, 10:47:10 AM »

God examines the heart to determine its condition. It is the "Intention motivating the sin" he can examine.
King David committed adultery and murder yet god declared him righteous.

Annanias and his wife were killed on the spot by the hand of god for lying about the proceeds of a feild they had sold.
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« Reply #68 on: August 10, 2009, 06:51:43 PM »

The motive behind a sin doesn;t make it any more or less a sin.

And any sin, un-forgiven, un-redeemed, un-drenched in the blood of Jesus' sacrifice, will keep us apart from our God.

The motivations and the general willingness to repent of the person in question -- that makes a huge difference in how things work out.  Thus David and the after-God's-own-heart label, and thus the two dying after the real estate lie.

But, as far as lack of God's own perfection, as far as the sinner needing forgiveness and healing -- sin is sin is sin.
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« Reply #69 on: August 11, 2009, 12:05:08 PM »

paul makes a distinction with sexual sins in I corinthians, chapter 6 or 6ish I think.
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« Reply #70 on: August 18, 2009, 09:48:57 PM »


There is severer punishment for some sin both in this life, and beyond this life. Undoubtedly, not accepting Christ as our Savior would hold the balance between heaven and hell, but we are talking of severity of judgment for the believer, and the nonbeliever. Unbelief is great sin.

1 Samuel 15:23  For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king. (This life)
 
Mark 6:11  And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city. (Future)

Unbelief in both instances are noted. Even Moses suffered being kept from the Promised Land because of unbelief. Numbers 20:12. The LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron,  Because ye believed me not,  - - ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them.

To answer Walker's question, a mortal sin was one of commission; a person purposefully breaks a commandment, even one set up by the Catholic such as a day of obligation. A venial sin is a lesser sin than a mortal sin, and is normally one not consented to. We might call it a sin of omission, or something we should have done not done. A person may not lie outright, but does not reveal the truth so as to cover up something. And the consequences can be severe; a venial sin's penance may be saying three hail Mary's, and one Our Father, whereas a Mortal Sin may require ten Hail Mary's, three Our Fathers, and an act of contrition to be forgiven. Contrition is having great sorrow over some mortal sin you've committed.
 
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« Reply #71 on: August 19, 2009, 08:57:29 PM »

they are equal in the sence any sin will damn a unbeliever to hell no matter how small we think it is. They are equal in the sence
every sin is a sin agaiNst the first commandment and as Jesus said break just one commandment you have broken them all
so yes they are ALL equaly damning.




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« Reply #72 on: September 06, 2009, 10:48:59 PM »

The sin of "unbelief"
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« Reply #73 on: September 07, 2009, 02:46:19 AM »

God examines the heart to determine its condition. It is the "Intention motivating the sin" he can examine.
King David committed adultery and murder yet god declared him righteous.

Annanias and his wife were killed on the spot by the hand of god for lying about the proceeds of a feild they had sold.

God did not call him righteous when he was unrepentant, but sent the prophet to him, and said prophet condemned him.  Subsequently, God judged him.  Then, after he had repented, he was restored unto fellowship with God.  In fact, (1Ki 15:5)  because David did what was right in the eyes of Jehovah, and did not turn aside from all that He commanded him all the days of his life, except in the matter of Uriah the Hittite."

In another passage it adds to this one, and includes the numbering of the children of Israel by David, for which God punished not only David, but killed many Israelites for David's sin.  Does that fit into your understanding of a "loving" God?  It doesn't for most!

Does not the scripture state that they lied to the Spirit?  David didn't.  Also, doesn't the NT scriptures state that we are to judge and discipline the errant believer before the other believers, so that the rest of the believers will fear and learn?  That indeed was the result of the Ananias death stuff, as stated in the Word in that same account, isn't it?

David was His king whom He had blessed, for he was a foreshadowing of Christ's kingship, thus God was lenient.  Others would consider killing Israelites for David's sin as harsh, but it wasn't.  It also broke God's heart, that passage says.  God killed a newborn baby because of David's sin regarding Uriah.  That doesn't fit into people's picture of God either, does it?  Interesting to note that God didn't judge Aaron when he sinned about the idol deal, or the murmurring against Moses event.  And he sinned more than once, and egregiously too, but God only judged Miriam in the one such instance, and the common israelits in the other instance.  Every wonder why?  He was a type of Christ, a foreshadowing of Christ's spiritual priesthood.  So to simply take a passage and come to exclusive understandings of it is not only spiritual problem prone, it is also against the express injunction of God's Word.  For that one, and the scripture which states that truth in such incredibly clear words, read some of my other posts on other threads.
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« Reply #74 on: September 07, 2009, 05:03:32 AM »

There is an easily understood biblical answer to this.

The answer was explained by Luke to this question.

There are four types of sin. Each of them in successive order:

Sins of ignorance
Sins of negligence
Sins of planned separation from God
Sin of Unforgiveness/Judgmentalism.

In Luke there are a series of parables told to a Gentile world who knew nothing of sin and Luke has to explain it and their severity to an unschooled world.

The parables were told in order in order to help a world understand more clearly how God sees and views sin.

Lost sheep
Lost coin
Son who went away
Prodigal son (Prodigal taken from the Latin and meaning angry)

Jesus followed up these three parables with one last one of the "Shrewd Manager".
In this parable we see that Jesus understands that we as mortal men can't forgive as completely as God can...but that we are to forgive as comepletely as we can everyone equally...it is how we get to keep our positions as Children of God even if it is the worst sin that we can commit...
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