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Re: Are all sins equal...
« Reply #75 on: September 07, 2009, 06:09:40 AM »
"Prodigal" has to do with the way the boy wasted his resources.

   
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* Main Entry: 1prod·i·gal
   * Pronunciation: \ˈprä-di-gəl\
   * Function: adjective
   * Etymology: Latin prodigus, from prodigere to drive away, squander, from pro-, prod- forth + agere to drive — more at pro-, agent
    * Date: 15th century

1 : characterized by profuse or wasteful expenditure : lavish <a prodigal feast> <prodigal outlays for her clothes>
2 : recklessly spendthrift <the prodigal prince>
3 : yielding abundantly : luxuriant —often used with of<nature has been so prodigal of her bounty — H. T. Buckle>
synonyms see profuse

— prod·i·gal·i·ty \ˌprä-də-ˈga-lə-tē\ noun

— prod·i·gal·ly \ˈprä-di-g(ə-)lē\ adverb

A better definition of "angry" from this story might be "elder brother".   ::fit::

I admit I don't know much about Latin...But I was told that somewhere in the entemology of the word it had something to do with the "against" or "angry" part of it...and since they did sound sincere and like they knew something of what they were talking about I believed them....

I know how the word has become known...and this is a discussion forum...

and if you have anything to add to what I added to the conversation...even if it is an agreement...it is good to hear.  ::tippinghat::

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Re: Are all sins equal...
« Reply #76 on: September 07, 2009, 11:57:28 AM »
The motive behind a sin doesn;t make it any more or less a sin.

And any sin, un-forgiven, un-redeemed, un-drenched in the blood of Jesus' sacrifice, will keep us apart from our God.

The motivations and the general willingness to repent of the person in question -- that makes a huge difference in how things work out.  Thus David and the after-God's-own-heart label, and thus the two dying after the real estate lie.

But, as far as lack of God's own perfection, as far as the sinner needing forgiveness and healing -- sin is sin is sin.

Can there be sin outside of motivation? 

Can we accidentally sin? 

I'm not talking about people who haven't read the Scriptures, and so might claim not to know that stealing is a sin.  Paul said God's creation reveals His nature (and by extension, His laws) so that none of us have an excuse.

But it seems to me that sin is solely a matter of the heart- the actual physical carrying out of the sin is almost irrelevant to God - the sin came when we made up our minds to put our will over His.  When we lust, that is when we commit adultery - long before we get to the deed. 

If lust IS adultery, and hatred IS murder (not 'just as bad as', but IS), then it seems that there's only one sin - putting our will over His.   

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Re: Are all sins equal...
« Reply #77 on: September 07, 2009, 01:42:49 PM »

There is an easily understood biblical answer to this.

The answer was explained by Luke to this question.

There are four types of sin. Each of them in successive order:

Sins of ignorance
Sins of negligence
Sins of planned separation from God
Sin of Unforgiveness/Judgmentalism.

In Luke there are a series of parables told to a Gentile world who knew nothing of sin and Luke has to explain it and their severity to an unschooled world.

The parables were told in order in order to help a world understand more clearly how God sees and views sin.

Lost sheep
Lost coin
Son who went away
Prodigal son (Prodigal taken from the Latin and meaning angry)

Jesus followed up these three parables with one last one of the "Shrewd Manager".
In this parable we see that Jesus understands that we as mortal men can't forgive as completely as God can...but that we are to forgive as comepletely as we can everyone equally...it is how we get to keep our positions as Children of God even if it is the worst sin that we can commit...


This is a repost of the earlier post I made so KMV can catch up with the conversation.

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Re: Are all sins equal...
« Reply #78 on: September 07, 2009, 01:47:11 PM »
Paul makes it clear that sexual sins are different.

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Re: Are all sins equal...
« Reply #79 on: September 07, 2009, 04:32:35 PM »
Paul makes it clear that sexual sins are different.

Tell him to take it up with Luke and Jesus...and considering the fact that Luke and Paul were often travelling companions...

and Luke wrote the Gospel of Luke...

and if there was something outside of the planned sin that sexual relations is....Jesus never seen fit to comment upon it.

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Re: Are all sins equal...
« Reply #80 on: September 07, 2009, 05:27:13 PM »

There is an easily understood biblical answer to this.

The answer was explained by Luke to this question.

There are four types of sin. Each of them in successive order:

Sins of ignorance
Sins of negligence
Sins of planned separation from God
Sin of Unforgiveness/Judgmentalism.

In Luke there are a series of parables told to a Gentile world who knew nothing of sin and Luke has to explain it and their severity to an unschooled world.

The parables were told in order in order to help a world understand more clearly how God sees and views sin.

Lost sheep
Lost coin
Son who went away
Prodigal son (Prodigal taken from the Latin and meaning angry)

Jesus followed up these three parables with one last one of the "Shrewd Manager".
In this parable we see that Jesus understands that we as mortal men can't forgive as completely as God can...but that we are to forgive as comepletely as we can everyone equally...it is how we get to keep our positions as Children of God even if it is the worst sin that we can commit...


This is a repost of the earlier post I made so KMV can catch up with the conversation.

I appreciate that, but I'm not sure what I'm supposed to take away from this.  Maybe I missed too much of the conversation?

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Re: Are all sins equal...
« Reply #81 on: September 08, 2009, 11:34:16 AM »
Paul makes it clear that sexual sins are different.

Tell him to take it up with Luke and Jesus...and considering the fact that Luke and Paul were often travelling companions...

and Luke wrote the Gospel of Luke...

and if there was something outside of the planned sin that sexual relations is....Jesus never seen fit to comment upon it.



Lost me.   I was simply thinking of I Corinthians 6:18 and context.  Don't know what you are trying to say here.

As far as your post, which I didn't read until just now, Gleaning a list from the parable does make good sermon and teaching points, though Luke didn't say that directly and at best you are doing a good job of determining a probable point Luke was trying to make to Theophilus.

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Re: Are all sins equal...
« Reply #82 on: October 12, 2009, 03:03:06 PM »
"What sin do you think is the worst?"

The worst is not on the list: sins against children.

Matthew 18.



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Re: Are all sins equal...
« Reply #83 on: December 28, 2009, 01:53:19 PM »
This question is easy.  The sins that are greater are the ones I don't have any problem with, but others do. But, in Romans 1: 18-32,...Paul pretty much convicts us ALL. He does mention sexual sins in verse verses 24-27, and lot of folks like to stop right there,...because it generally serves their purpose in quoting it,...and also, Paul isn't steppin on their toes yet.  But in verse 28, he broadens his "toe-stomping path" and goes on to list ALL that are guilty before God,...including those who "disobey their parents",....Wow!,...Paul convicts kids!  We have all been kids and have disobeyed our parents! They are all there, and the tiny ones looked to be lumped in with the greater sins according to our own personal hierarchy of sin. To me, this passage just tells me that in and of myself, I am WITHOUT HOPE.  It is ONLY thru Jesus, the Christ, that I have any hope of eternal life.

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Re: Are all sins equal...
« Reply #84 on: December 30, 2009, 11:20:25 PM »
Can I assume the OP is referring to the difference in sins as pertains to Rewards or judgement?  If salvation, then there is only one sin that counts and that is "Blaspheming the Holy Spirit" which would be a total lack of faith.

I would think that only God knows which sins are worse in regards to rewards or judgement.  We can assume that murder is worse than theivery but even those sins have gradiations.  Is stealing a stapler from the office worse than stealing a gallon of gas from a garage?  Is killing a cop worse than killing a young mother?

Of course, child abuse would rank right up there but even then there are gradiations, slapping a child worse than yelling.  Sexual molestation worse than corporal punishment abuse.

But, in the end, it is God who judges sin, not us.

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« Reply #85 on: January 06, 2010, 10:31:45 PM »
It matters not if they be small or big.

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Re: Are all sins equal...
« Reply #86 on: January 07, 2010, 08:36:55 PM »
Perhaps the worst sin is the purposefully nonrepented of sin.

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Re: Are all sins equal...
« Reply #87 on: February 17, 2010, 08:49:32 AM »
I think the greatest sin is not having LOVE! If we really know God, we know the love of God. And, if we have the love of God in us, it will grow and replace all those sins. Love fulfills the law because true love does what is right. That is why we are not judged by the law, because it is the intent of the heart that God looks at. You can DO everything right and still have a wrong heart, which is what God looks at. The Bible says that love is even greater than faith. Too many times, people make what they believe bigger than their love for others, and that is why believers don't get along. Some care more about convincing others that what they believe is right, and they lack love.  If the right character is not behind the words, I already know that what they say is a lie. (Even Satan uses truths to lead people astray.)

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« Reply #88 on: February 17, 2010, 09:03:42 AM »
I think the greatest sin is not having LOVE! If we really know God, we know the love of God. And, if we have the love of God in us, it will grow and replace all those sins. Love fulfills the law because true love does what is right. That is why we are not judged by the law, because it is the intent of the heart that God looks at. You can DO everything right and still have a wrong heart, which is what God looks at. The Bible says that love is even greater than faith. Too many times, people make what they believe bigger than their love for others, and that is why believers don't get along. Some care more about convincing others that what they believe is right, and they lack love.  If the right character is not behind the words, I already know that what they say is a lie. (Even Satan uses truths to lead people astray.)

Amen...because love is Jesus in our hearts; if we reject Him, it is the unforgiveable sin.

I would say that is the greatest sin...not allowing love in (Jesus) your heart; all others God will forgive, because Jesus paid the price...and He resides in us.

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Re: Are all sins equal...
« Reply #89 on: February 17, 2010, 09:24:55 AM »



   The thread title is the question",Are all sins equal."?
   In my opinion,YES.   However, ONLY HEAVEN KNOWS .