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Question: Should Doctors be forced to violate their morals?
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« Reply #30 on: January 25, 2006, 11:56:46 AM »
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Refusing to use a skill you possess to perform a task you believe is immoral is not blackmail.

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But if you run afoul of BH you might get aired out.  It's only right.
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« Reply #31 on: January 25, 2006, 07:15:34 PM »
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Refusing to use a skill you possess to perform a task you believe is immoral is not blackmail.

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I think it is.
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« Reply #32 on: January 25, 2006, 07:16:39 PM »
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Refusing to use a skill you possess to perform a task you believe is immoral is not blackmail.

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But if you run afoul of BH you might get aired out.  It's only right.[/color]
I do believe people should be held accountable for their attitudes and actions.
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« Reply #33 on: January 25, 2006, 10:19:26 PM »
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Refusing to use a skill you possess to perform a task you believe is immoral is not blackmail.

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I think it is.
I don't believe you really think that, but if you do, then you don't know the definition of the word "blackmail."

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« Reply #34 on: January 25, 2006, 10:30:49 PM »
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Refusing to use a skill you possess to perform a task you believe is immoral is not blackmail.

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I think it is.
I don't believe you really think that, but if you do, then you don't know the definition of the word "blackmail."

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I know I am taking liberties with the word blackmail, but I do think you understand what I am saying.
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« Reply #35 on: January 25, 2006, 10:42:23 PM »
No I don't.  Try using words according to their meaning.

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« Reply #36 on: January 25, 2006, 10:50:35 PM »
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No I don't.  Try using words according to their meaning.

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If some doctor doesn't like his pay I don't think he should be able to go on strike and let other people be harmed just so he can get some more money.
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« Reply #37 on: January 25, 2006, 10:53:23 PM »
Which was not the topic nor point of this thread until you introduced it.

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« Reply #38 on: January 25, 2006, 10:55:07 PM »
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Which was not the topic nor point of this thread until you introduced it.

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« Reply #39 on: January 26, 2006, 08:25:41 AM »
Calm down, Barry.  Nobody is talking about banning anybody.

I simply noted that you introduced an idea that was not relevant to the topic, then proceeded to defend the idea as if it were relevant.

The doctor in question wasn't saying, "I won't do it...unless you pay me more!"  The physician was saying, "I'm sorry, I could not violate my moral beliefs to perform this function."

It is vastly different than "blackmail".

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« Reply #40 on: January 26, 2006, 05:04:38 PM »
A doctor is required to take the Hippocratic Oath and will not violate their oath, and that is blackmail?
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« Reply #41 on: January 28, 2006, 03:48:12 PM »
I find myself wondering what BH does for a living, and if he does that job for a set wage or for whatever his employer feels like paying at the time.  I also wonder if he'd do the same work for $1/week, and if not, should he be forced to?

I'm just full of wonders, aren't I?

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« Reply #42 on: January 28, 2006, 08:40:07 PM »
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I find myself wondering what BH does for a living, and if he does that job for a set wage or for whatever his employer feels like paying at the time.  I also wonder if he'd do the same work for $1/week, and if not, should he be forced to?

I'm just full of wonders, aren't I?

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Right now I am in retail.  In the past I have owned a mowing business, been a front end manager  at a large grocery store, taught school, and sold power tools.

I would say if work was available to be done, and I could make a living at it and afford some luxuries, yes, I should be forced to.

If I am just going to work and survive, no more or less, then I should not work at all but allowed to glean a field.

As to the question of force: it all boils down to who is and who isn't able to force folks to work.

If you doubt coercion works, why do people threaten workers with firing?  Why did those doctors in Soviet Russia go back to work?[/color]
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« Reply #43 on: January 28, 2006, 09:09:47 PM »
There is no doubt that coercion works, but you were advocating it as the right thing to do.
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« Reply #44 on: January 28, 2006, 09:23:46 PM »
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There is no doubt that coercion works, but you were advocating it as the right thing to do.
Are you saying coercion is WRONG?

You see it everyday at the workplace here in the states.
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