fish153 - Lol...I'm hearing strains of the "Twilight Zone" intro music as I read your comment. Plus some "Back to the Future" scenes flashing through my head. The time-warp theme does seem to have a perpetual appeal that fascinates people, but it doesn't really match up with the track record we have of Christ's activity on this planet. Neither does it match with the stipulated time references God gave throughout the entire New Testament of just when Christ's return would occur.
Remember, the disciples personally would not have gone through all the cities of Israel with their evangelistic message before the Son of Man had come, as Matthew 10:23 tells us. That means Christ's SECOND coming arrived in THEIR days of the first century. WE are waiting for the THIRD coming for God to resurrect His saints of the New Covenant Age from the dust of the grave. And from everything I see in my studies, it will be in 3033 at the time the Feast of Tabernacles would have taken place under the Old Covenant. I don't mind waiting; particularly since God promised that His "word would not return unto him void", but that it would accomplish the purpose for which He sent it. The "INCREASE of His government and of His peace" between God and men shall have no end. The "leaven" of the existing kingdom of God IS growing, whether we can see it from our perspective or not; Daniel's rock that struck the metals-man statue has been growing steadily ever since AD 70, and WILL fill the earth; and the mustard seed has been incrementally increasing in strength and size, whether we can see that from our particular viewpoint on the sidewalk of that "parade route" or not. Sorry about the mixed metaphors there, fish153. The scriptures are really more optimistic about the gospel's advance than we are most of the time.
fish153, do you have any opinions on the use of the word "EVEN" in this Revelation 1:7 verse? I don't really need to dip into the Greek on this, because of the other comparable uses of this same word in the sample scripture texts I gave above, but I did do some research on the Greek word "KAI" as it is used in this context. Unless I am greatly mistaken, the Greek "KAI" as it is used here most definitely has the sense of being explanatory, meaning "namely"; it is NOT used as a conjunction meaning "AND" in this case. A good many of the translations miss this distinction. The KJV interprets it as "...every eye shall see him AND THEY ALSO which pierced Him...", as if it were a universal view of Christ returning, which ALSO would include an additional group of those who pierced Him. To arrive at that interpretation, the KJV has added the word "ALSO" into their translation, which changes the meaning entirely from the original intent.
notreligus - Well, I happen to espouse quite a few of the Preterist positions, but I do NOT believe the future ended in AD 70. The seven thunders' prophesies in Revelation 10:4 make it very clear that there were certain unrevealed events to be fulfilled AFTER AD 70, but that these prophesies were to be sealed up and reserved for a later time than John's immediate audience would have to deal with. Seven is typically the number of completeness or fullness of perfection in scripture, and the 7 thunders illustrate that completeness in some way. I believe the 7 thunders' prophesies match perfectly with 7,000 years of human history from the beginning of creation to the end, just like the 7-day creation week. (Remember, we are not to be ignorant of this one pertinent fact that "...a thousand years is as one day...")
Did you realize that God's recorded activity on each day of creation week is a picture-type of what His activities would include during each of the 7 individual millenia of human history?
Think about it. Adam was the "poster-boy" of the first millennium. First day of creation, God separated light from darkness. To match with that, the first millennium of human history could be summed up with Adam illustrating all of mankind's sinful darkness having to be separated from God, the source of light. Significantly, Adam's lifespan of 930 years took up almost the entirety of the first millennium.
Noah was the "poster-boy" of the second millennium, with God making a division in the waters (as He did on the 2nd day of creation) between those waters that belonged to Heaven, and those that belonged below that.
Abraham was the "poster-boy" of the third millenium, since God chose him out of the "sea" of Gentile nations to make a people for Himself. This was similar to the 3rd day of creation, when the dry land appeared, was separated from the seas, and started bearing vegetation and fruit after its kind. The "land" has typically represented God's chosen land of Canaan in scripture, separate from the "seas" of the Gentile nations. Abraham, the father of the children of faith, was a picture of God separating His people of faith from among the "seas" of the unbelieving world, and causing them to bear fruit for Him.
I guess you could call Solomon the "poster-boy" of the 4th millennium. It began with Solomon's temple foundation being laid down in 967 BC. This was the beginning of the Revelation 20 millennium, when Satan's deception of the nations was bound by the ministry of the prophets, and the light of God's message began to spread throughout the nations by the words of the Lord that the prophets wrote or spoke. This was similar to the 4th day of creation week, which had "great lights" put in the heavens, for signs and for seasons, and for days and years, to add to men's knowledge of the world and of the God who had given them that world. This millennium lasted until Christ's finished work on the cross and the "First Resurrection" in AD 33, as Revelation 20:5 tells us it was finished at that point.
The 5th millennium began with the surge of gospel evangelism being presented to the Gentile world, as Paul vividly demonstrated by his God-commissioned ministry. Life sprang up abundantly in the "seas" of the Gentile world, just as there were burgeoning life forms in the oceans from the fifth day of creation onward.
The 6th millennium enjoyed the most lavish blessings of all. There are other instances in the Old Testament where God gave a greater-than-ordinary blessing on the 6th day, and the 6th year. On the 6th day of creation, man and woman in God's image were given dominion over the planet, and told to subdue it. One cannot dispute that this period from the close of the Dark Ages until now has experienced an explosion of God's blessing upon this earth for mankind; a truly iconic representation of mankind's dominion over the planet, compared to the previous 5 millennia. Not only did an actual warming trend in weather patterns begin that bumped up the crop yields at the beginning of this millennium, but we had The Renaissance, the printed Word of God, the Reformation, The Great Awakening, great missionary endeavors, The Industrial Revolution, medical advances, technological expertise, automobiles, computers, and inventions galore, (and not to be profane....but toilet paper and indoor plumbing too). We are coming up to the end of this 6th millennium of God's blessing, since I believe it will expire in 2033, some fifteen years from now.
The 7th millennium, as I have mentioned before on this site, I believe will be characterized by a period of imposed Sabbath rest, (just as God Himself demonstrated for us by resting from His works on the 7th day of creation), when the frantic pace of human activity on this planet will be sharply curtailed. This will ultimately provide for the progress of God's gospel, by reducing the insane amount of distractions we have on our time and activities, even as Christians. As many a Christian will admit, if hardships come, God can use them to drive us closer to the Savior, and cause us to rethink our priorities. This is true even for unbelievers. When God wanted to get close to His people in Old Testament days, He brought them into the wilderness, and made them totally dependent upon Him for their daily bread and their guidance in unknown territory. I suspect this is part of what will be coming for the world at large in this next, last, 7th millennium of human history - when God will cause the world to "Be still and know that I am God". His final return for the 3rd resurrection to eternal life for the physical bodies of His saints will occur at the close of this millennium, timed to arrive in the Feast of Tabernacles month in 3033, as I am convinced of by every indication or symbol that I can find in scripture.
Well, notreligus, it looks as if I hijacked my own post by diverting from the original topic. But I wanted to demonstrate that I do indeed believe in events future to AD 70, even though we do not have the details spelled out for us as clearly as those saints in the first century did for their immediate future. Given a choice between the 1st century and the 21st century, I would much prefer to be living in this period when God's word is so abundantly available for my examination, and where I can fellowship online with anyone in this world in the body of Christ who has a computer and a keyboard. It's a blessing, even though we may not agree on many things.