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"Take heed that no one deceives you.
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Matthew 24:4-8  And Jesus answered and said to them: "Take heed that no one deceives you.
For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many.
And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places.
This did not yet happen

The kingdom of Satan against kingdom of Christ (is taking place)

Matthew 24:21 For then there will be greatest tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.
famines, pestilences     

Revelation 6:4 Another , fiery red horse went out. And it was granted to the one who sat on it to taken peace from the earth, and that people should kill one another; and there was given to him a great sword.

All these are the beginning of sorrows.

 the beginning of sorrows is who will be chosen or not

And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars is (Israel)

 For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many. USA

 For nations will rise against the nation, of Israel and kingdom of Christ against kingdom of Satan

 these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

 Luke 17: 20-21 Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God does not come with observation;  nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' 

 "The kingdom of God does not come with observation

 nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!'

 Matthew 24: saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many.

Luke 17: nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!'

Matthew 24:23 Then if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or 'There!' do not believe it.

Luke 17: "The kingdom of God does not come with observation

 question where is Christ?

Luke 17: For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you."

 1 Corinthians 3:16-20 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.
Let no one deceive himself. If anyone among you seems to be wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise.
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, "He catches the wise in their own craftiness"; and again, "The LORD knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are futile."

question  Them who is?

1 John 3:9-10 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.
In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother.

 Matthew 24:36 "But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.

 Day or Hour, Mmmmm Something is missing

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Re: "Take heed that no one deceives you.
« Reply #1 on: Thu Feb 27, 2020 - 01:01:26 »
  As for the great trib, Rev. 16 describes many of its plagues.  And Jesus said that if those days were not cut short, no flesh (man or animal) would survive.

  I believe Jesus will cut those days short by His own power. And then, He will return, as He said He will return immediately after those days.

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Re: "Take heed that no one deceives you.
« Reply #2 on: Thu Feb 27, 2020 - 04:07:04 »
Day or Hour, Mmmmm Something is missing
Sure is~it is your understanding of the truth. You quoted this:
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Luke 17: 20-21 Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, The kingdom of God does not come with observation;  nor will they say, See here! or See there! The kingdom of God does not come with observation nor will they say, See here! or See there!
It is true that the kingdom of God will NOT come with observation, and neither will they say~see here...see there for the kingdom of God is WITHIN YOU Jesus said....meaning that it was in their very midst, yea, THE KING was speaking to them and they knew it NOT!

You quoted 1st Corinthians 3:16-20~yet those scriptures is NOT what Christ was saying to those Pharisees who were VOID of the Spirit of God, he was saying to them that the kingdom of God was WITHIN THEIR MIDST yet they did not know that Jesus was the KING of the kingdom of God preaching daily in their temple and throughout all of Israel! 
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Re: "Take heed that no one deceives you.
« Reply #3 on: Thu Feb 27, 2020 - 07:27:09 »
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Matthew 24:4-8  And Jesus answered and said to them: "Take heed that no one deceives you.
For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many.
And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places.
This did not yet happen

I think you are missing the Christ's Point here. "Many" will come in HIS Name, saying "HE" is truly the Christ, and they will deceive many.

This is speaking about evil men, "disguised" as Apostles of Christ and "Ministers of Righteousness" as Paul tells us. The teaching that Jesus is warning of "MANY" men are going to call themselves Jesus doesn't make sense. How could a person who claims to be the Messiah come in Jesus' Name? How could you be deceived by a person who calls Himself "Jesus"?

But a person who comes in Christ's Name, who says the Jesus of the Bible is truly the Christ, that person could deceive "Many".

Also, can you find one generation since Jesus ascended into heaven that did not hear of "Wars and rumors of wars"? When, since Jesus ascended, have there been a time of no famines, earthquakes, disease. When have kingdoms of the earth not rose up against each other?

This is the way it is on our planet. This is the world we live in. It gets worse day by day, with people deceiving and being deceived, but this part of Matt. 24 is experienced by every true believer since Jesus ascended.

We have our lifetime to "Repent" and bring forth works meat for repentance. When we die, that's it. We wait for Judgment, and rest in hope that we are partakers of the first resurrection.

This is why Jesus said;

 11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

He is speaking to the end of our life here. In most cases the true believer will die before Jesus actually makes His Triumphant return. This is HIS Return for most. We die, and when our eyes are open again we will be partakers of the 1st or 2nd resurrection. This death is the "Thief" that comes in the night.

For this reason I do not waste my time trying to "unlock" the mystery of Revelations and the future. We know the end of the world is coming, but chances are I will die before it gets here. So why engage in "Looking for a sign" of His Coming. We should be ready each day as it is written; "Today if you hear His Voice, harden not your hearts.

This is why Jesus said not to worry about "tomorrow".

Matt. 6:31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?

32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.

33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof. (today's wars and rumors of wars, deceivers who come in Christ's Name, disease, storms, earthquakes, fires, drought)

 He wants us to know that in this life we will have wars and rumors or wars, deceivers and false preachers, and "many" will reject the Love of God (His Commandments). That there will be religious men who come in HIS name, who teach that Jesus is truly the Christ, who will deceive "many". And the Love of God will grow cold.

 But that if we "endure" temptations and keep our self "Unspotted from the world" to the end of our life, we shall be saved. And we don't know when we will die, and we don't know when the end of the world will come.

 Matthew 24:36 "But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.

But we do have today. "Today, if you hear His Voice, harden not your hearts."

Let's be ready for Him today, and stop spending so much time trying to "unlock" a mystery that even Jesus wasn't allowed to see.

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Re: "Take heed that no one deceives you.
« Reply #4 on: Thu Feb 27, 2020 - 11:03:06 »
It is true the Signs our Lord Jesus gave in His Olivet discourse are about the signs leading up to His return for the last generation. I believe that generation has already started.

The idea of 'many' coming claiming to be Christ per Matt.24:5 is about the "many antichrists" of 1 John 2:18. But the Matt.24:23-26 section of Scripture is specifically about a singular Antichrist that's to come, and will work great signs and wonders that IF possible, would deceive even Christ's very elect.

The KJV phrase "false Christs" is the Greek word pseudochristos, made up of 2 Greek words, pseudo which mean false, and Christos which means singular Christ. Because that warning is given within the context of the Matt.24:23-26 subject, which is actually about a singular false-Messiah (Christ) that will actually work great signs and wonders to deceive, it means our Lord was pointing directly to a single supernatural fake-Messiah, and not many who just claim to be Christ. This is no doubt why Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance defined Greek pseudochristos as "a spurious Messiah" (Strong's no. 5580).

Apostle Paul showed us about this false-Messiah in 2 Thessalonians 2:4, revealing that he will exalt himself as God, over all that is called God, or that is worshiped, and doing signs and lying wonders.

Apostle John was also shown about this coming spurious Messiah in Revelation 13:11 forward, one who has two horns appearing like a lamb (Jesus), but who will speak as a dragon (another title for Satan). It says he will rain fire down to the earth from heaven in the sight of men, and will work miracles to deceive the whole world. That is not just some Moonie declaring they are Christ!

So we have already had many that have come claiming to be Jesus today. But they did not work those great signs and wonders our Lord Jesus forewarned us about, and that's the difference in watching. Apostle Paul showed that spurious Messiah will sit in the "temple of God", which is used as a reference for a future Jewish temple built for the end of this world during the coming tribulation. The children of darkness are doing all they can to hide this coming event in Jerusalem. It is a test to see who will actually listen to our Lord Jesus in His Word to be watching these events so as to not be deceived, and that's why the children of darkness are here to test us with trying to make us confused away from the Scriptures about this matter.






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Re: "Take heed that no one deceives you.
« Reply #5 on: Thu Feb 27, 2020 - 13:46:27 »
Because that warning is given within the context of the Matt.24:23-26 subject, which is actually about a singular false-Messiah (Christ) that will actually work great signs and wonders to deceive, it means our Lord was pointing directly to a single supernatural fake-Messiah, and not many who just claim to be Christ.
You may very well believe this in all sincerity, that I will not judge, but you are wrong sir, very wrong. Consider:
Quote from: JESUS CHRIST
MAtthew 24:23-26~"Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not."
Sir, these verses are not proving a SINGLE antichrist that is yet to come, but these scriptures are telling us that those deceived BY the many false prophets who having SO-CALLED gifts to do SIGNS AND WONDERS are so deceived by these seducing spirits of the false prophets that they are telling OTHERS to come here..... go there.... for this is truly the work of God. This goes perfectly with what is said here:
Quote from: Paul
2nd Thessalonians 2:8,9~"And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
It is the WICKED and EVIL generation of the children of Satan that shall come in GREAT NUMBERS into the temple of God in the latter days of this world. THIS generation will NEVER pass from this world but only to increase MORE AND MORE until Christ comes to destroy them all.

Deception will increase at an alarming rate even to a point that false signs and wonders will be performed in some measures to deceive the multitudes.

It would take someone along the line of Jimmy Swaggart~his powerful charming singing voice with the flowing tears that come at a spit second~ seemly very real, then out of nowhere there comes some form of gibberish of unintelligent speaking that edifies NO ONE, but a proud spirit seeking folks admiration because of the advantage they have over most people.

Does anyone know just how much $$$$$$$$$$ the Swaggart's (trust me, it is THEIR EMPIRE they do not share it with others) and his followers raise per month? Are you really for this? Somewhere between $10,000.000.00 to fifteen million a month! That's astounding numbers! it could be double that if the truth was known.
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« Reply #6 on: Thu Feb 27, 2020 - 13:56:07 »
It is true the Signs our Lord Jesus gave in His Olivet discourse are about the signs leading up to His return for the last generation. I believe that generation has already started.

The idea of 'many' coming claiming to be Christ per Matt.24:5 is about the "many antichrists" of 1 John 2:18. But the Matt.24:23-26 section of Scripture is specifically about a singular Antichrist that's to come, and will work great signs and wonders that IF possible, would deceive even Christ's very elect.

The KJV phrase "false Christs" is the Greek word pseudochristos, made up of 2 Greek words, pseudo which mean false, and Christos which means singular Christ. Because that warning is given within the context of the Matt.24:23-26 subject, which is actually about a singular false-Messiah (Christ) that will actually work great signs and wonders to deceive, it means our Lord was pointing directly to a single supernatural fake-Messiah, and not many who just claim to be Christ. This is no doubt why Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance defined Greek pseudochristos as "a spurious Messiah" (Strong's no. 5580).

Apostle Paul showed us about this false-Messiah in 2 Thessalonians 2:4, revealing that he will exalt himself as God, over all that is called God, or that is worshiped, and doing signs and lying wonders.

Apostle John was also shown about this coming spurious Messiah in Revelation 13:11 forward, one who has two horns appearing like a lamb (Jesus), but who will speak as a dragon (another title for Satan). It says he will rain fire down to the earth from heaven in the sight of men, and will work miracles to deceive the whole world. That is not just some Moonie declaring they are Christ!

So we have already had many that have come claiming to be Jesus today. But they did not work those great signs and wonders our Lord Jesus forewarned us about, and that's the difference in watching. Apostle Paul showed that spurious Messiah will sit in the "temple of God", which is used as a reference for a future Jewish temple built for the end of this world during the coming tribulation. The children of darkness are doing all they can to hide this coming event in Jerusalem. It is a test to see who will actually listen to our Lord Jesus in His Word to be watching these events so as to not be deceived, and that's why the children of darkness are here to test us with trying to make us confused away from the Scriptures about this matter.

This is a doctrine taught by "Many" who come in Christ's Name. But We are to take heed we are not deceived by religious men.

As far as signs and wonders, we have a religion of the land that created an image of God in the likeness of some handsome longhaired men's hair shampoo model, and has convinced the entire world that this image is Christ, when we both know it is not. I find that quite spectacular especially given that the Christ commanded we not partake in such behavior in the first of His Ten Commandments.

The entire world has been convinced to reject the Feast's of the Christ in favor of ancient pagan festivals introduced into "Christianity", in Christ's Name, by a known Sun Worshipper some 350 years after the Christ ascended. Man made "Feast's unto the Lord" that Israel was punished for creating. Talk about signs and wonders.

What a perfect deception. Convincing through philosophy of religious men, that we are waiting for a deception that has already occurred.

If we were to actually listen to the Word's of the Lord, we would take heed of listening to those who claim to "unlock" the Biblical Prophesies of the future that even He was not allowed to know. If we listened to Him, we would worry about this day and the sin that so easily besets us today, because death comes as a thief in the night.

I believe this is why Jesus said:

Matt. 18:7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!

Matt. 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

John 7:6 Then Jesus said unto them, My time is not yet come: but your time is alway ready.

Matt. 12:38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees (Mainstream Preachers of Jesus' time) answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.

39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

Luke 12:16 And he spake a parable unto them, saying, The ground of a certain rich man brought forth plentifully:

17 And he thought within himself, saying, What shall I do, because I have no room where to bestow my fruits?

18 And he said, This will I do: I will pull down my barns, and build greater; and there will I bestow all my fruits and my goods.

19 And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry.

20 But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided?

It is foolishness to spend so much time in "Unlocking" the future that Jesus said even He wasn't given the key to understanding.

Matt. 6:30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?

31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?

32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.

33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

These are the Lord's Words as well. Shall we not listen to them?


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Re: "Take heed that no one deceives you.
« Reply #7 on: Thu Feb 27, 2020 - 15:16:21 »
It is foolishness to spend so much time in "Unlocking" the future that Jesus said even He wasn't given the key to understanding.
That's not what the scriptures said!  The DAY and hour were not revealed to him AS the SON OF MAN. But all truths concerning end-time events that would take place BEFORE the coming of Christ WERE revealed unto him proven by The Olivet Discourse.

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It is true the Signs our Lord Jesus gave in His Olivet discourse are about the signs leading up to His return for the last generation. I believe that generation has already started.

The idea of 'many' coming claiming to be Christ per Matt.24:5 is about the "many antichrists" of 1 John 2:18. But the Matt.24:23-26 section of Scripture is specifically about a singular Antichrist that's to come, and will work great signs and wonders that IF possible, would deceive even Christ's very elect.

The KJV phrase "false Christs" is the Greek word pseudochristos, made up of 2 Greek words, pseudo which mean false, and Christos which means singular Christ. Because that warning is given within the context of the Matt.24:23-26 subject, which is actually about a singular false-Messiah (Christ) that will actually work great signs and wonders to deceive, it means our Lord was pointing directly to a single supernatural fake-Messiah, and not many who just claim to be Christ. This is no doubt why Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance defined Greek pseudochristos as "a spurious Messiah" (Strong's no. 5580).

Apostle Paul showed us about this false-Messiah in 2 Thessalonians 2:4, revealing that he will exalt himself as God, over all that is called God, or that is worshiped, and doing signs and lying wonders.

Apostle John was also shown about this coming spurious Messiah in Revelation 13:11 forward, one who has two horns appearing like a lamb (Jesus), but who will speak as a dragon (another title for Satan). It says he will rain fire down to the earth from heaven in the sight of men, and will work miracles to deceive the whole world. That is not just some Moonie declaring they are Christ!

So we have already had many that have come claiming to be Jesus today. But they did not work those great signs and wonders our Lord Jesus forewarned us about, and that's the difference in watching. Apostle Paul showed that spurious Messiah will sit in the "temple of God", which is used as a reference for a future Jewish temple built for the end of this world during the coming tribulation. The children of darkness are doing all they can to hide this coming event in Jerusalem. It is a test to see who will actually listen to our Lord Jesus in His Word to be watching these events so as to not be deceived, and that's why the children of darkness are here to test us with trying to make us confused away from the Scriptures about this matter.


yes your right, but he show in Genesis 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

hundred and twenty years, that the end of evil men would die, so God told Noah the time when this take place
The same as God in Noah knew the after that declared it to Noah hundred and twenty years

1 Thessalonians 5:4-5 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.
You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness.

that children of the day will know, when the end shall come

Mark 4:11 but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables;
Luke 8:11 that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand. Now the parable is this; The seed is the word of God.
Romans 11: 25-26 For I would not brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved; as it is written,
There shall come out Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob;

Romans 16: 25-27 Now to him that is of power to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began. But now is made manifest and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith;
Matthew 13:11 Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.


Matthew 6:33 But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you.
2 Timothy 2:15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Acts 17:10-13 (KJV)And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. Therefore many of them believed; also of honorable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.
But when the Jews of Thessalonica had knowledge that the word of God was preached of Paul at Berea, they came thither also, and stirred up the people.

So as Noah was reveal the end, a mystery can be reveal, Revelation is the result of a mystery to the Church as the Law of Prophets are fulfilled and the end is reveal, the end of grace Jesus said no one knows the day or hour but not say the  year,again that year can be reveal as Noah was reveal the end of the evil men, so as the end of the age


Why
Ephesians 1: 9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself;
Ephesians 3: 1-9 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward; How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery;
(as I wrote afore in few words. Whereby when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ.) Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; That the Gentiles should be fellow heirs and of the same body and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel. Whereof I was made a minister according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power. Unto me who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unreachable riches of Christ. And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ.


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Re: "Take heed that no one deceives you.
« Reply #9 on: Fri Feb 28, 2020 - 01:23:46 »
You may very well believe this in all sincerity, that I will not judge, but you are wrong sir, very wrong. Consider: Sir, these verses are not proving a SINGLE antichrist that is yet to come, but these scriptures are telling us that those deceived BY the many false prophets who having SO-CALLED gifts to do SIGNS AND WONDERS are so deceived by these seducing spirits of the false prophets that they are telling OTHERS to come here..... go there.... for this is truly the work of God.

That kind of thought doesn't even make sense. It is far away from what the actual Scripture states.

Matt 24:23-26
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, "Lo, here is Christ, or there"; believe it not.


That is not about many false prophets, that is about a singular false Christ. If someone says Christ is here, or there, Jesus said to not believe it.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.


And that isn't about some Moonie that just says he is Jesus. That is about a pseudo-Christ that will have power to actually work those great signs and wonders that would almost deceive even the very elect. You cannot just leave out all these parameters in that prophecy Jesus gave there, and try and substitute it with a bunch of false prophets throughout history.

25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, "Behold, he is in the desert"; go not forth: "behold, he is in the secret chambers"; believe it not.
KJV

Even that above verse is in the singular tense about a false-Christ, showing what my Lord Jesus was actually talking about with a specific pseudo-Christ that's to come and work miracles playing Him. The fact that you choose to just bypass that, which Jesus gave a 2nd time for emphasis, reveals you're not really interested in what that Scripture actually states, but would rather defer to a doctrine of men.

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Deception will increase at an alarming rate even to a point that false signs and wonders will be performed in some measures to deceive the multitudes.

It would take someone along the line of Jimmy Swaggart~his powerful charming singing voice with the flowing tears that come at a spit second~ seemly very real, then out of nowhere there comes some form of gibberish of unintelligent speaking that edifies NO ONE, but a proud spirit seeking folks admiration because of the advantage they have over most people.

Does anyone know just how much $$$$$$$$$$ the Swaggart's (trust me, it is THEIR EMPIRE they do not share it with others) and his followers raise per month? Are you really for this? Somewhere between $10,000.000.00 to fifteen million a month! That's astounding numbers! it could be double that if the truth was known.

That's just more example of your staying away from the actual Scripture as it is written, you're totally out in left field.
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Re: "Take heed that no one deceives you.
« Reply #10 on: Fri Feb 28, 2020 - 02:25:58 »
This is a doctrine taught by "Many" who come in Christ's Name. But We are to take heed we are not deceived by religious men.

It's more than that. This is why our Lord Jesus was specific about the supernatural great signs and wonders the pseudo-Christ will do per Matt.24:23-26, giving us comparison of how if possible, that working would deceive even His very elect. Do yoiu realize what level of miracle working by a false Christ it would take to almost... deceive Christ's very elect who are sealed?

Granted in the Matt.24:5 verse He was speaking of ordinary men who claim to be Jesus. We've had plenty of those through history, even a few in my lifetime. But they didn't have power to work supernatural miracles, like the one Jesus showed us in the Matt.24:23-26 section of verses.

Apostle Paul gives us this contrast also in 2 Thess.2. The one doing the signs and lying wonders exalting himself as God in verse 4 is different than the "mystery of iniquity" which represent Antichrist's workers. Same thing in the Matthew 24:5 (many antichrists) in contrast to Matthew 24:23-26 (the Antichrist).

A lesser known example also by Apostle Paul was given in 2 Corinthians 11 in contrast to Satan who disguises himself as an angel of light compared to his servants that also disguise themselves as the ministers of righteousness. Paul started that discussion off about the "another Jesus". So I guess it just takes an anvil to hit some brethren on top of the head before they'll wake up and realize our Lord Jesus and His Apostles have supplied us with ample examples in His Word about the coming of Satan as the Antichrist at the end of this present world working supernatural miracles and playing God in Jerusalem.

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Re: "Take heed that no one deceives you.
« Reply #11 on: Fri Feb 28, 2020 - 02:40:25 »
That kind of thought doesn't even make sense. It is far away from what the actual Scripture states.
You think that simply because you are not hearing what Jesus is saying~As Jesus said many times over: "he that HATH EARS, let him hear" what the Spirit is saying!
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And that isn't about some Moonie that just says he is Jesus.
Agreed~so, let us again read those scriptures:
Quote from: JESUS CHRIST
Matthew 24:23-26~"Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not."
If any man say (those that have been deceived) unto you (the believer) lo HERE IS CHRIST~(not the antichrist speaking but those that have been deceived THINKING that where they are worshipping is a TRUE bible church/temple, where Christ is preached, where miracles are performed, thereby, where the power of God IS.) lo HERE IS CHRIST, or THERE; we are to believe it not~for the very elect test every spirit BY THE WRITTEN word of God, not by fleshly worship, and a "freshly showman" leading the way as a cheerleader as one would do for a sports team! Shouting....."somebody ought to praise the Lord, somebody should get excited, etc. etc."

Or, the church/temple could have a ONE MAN SHOW who thinks he is the eyes, mouth, ears, hands feet, head of that particular church having a Choleric personality type mixed with a Sanguine personality type that's primarily one being highly talkative, enthusiastic, active, and social. But most of it is fake, nevertheless, he knows that it is needed to deceive their followers, so, to get them HOOKED, they pour forth all the "Karo Syrup" and make them feel they are the most important person in the world and once hooked then they JUST BECOME A ANOTHER  number to be used to further their evil cause!

They are generally highly intelligent which causes others to have them in admiration because of the great advantage they have over most folks. So, once their followers are overcome by them, they, in turn, tell others of THIS GREAT VOICE FOR GOD.

I have lived in the Christian faith for fifty years staring in my early twenties and have seen it all, and have witnessed the fulfilling of these very scriptures FIRST HAND. I started out being taught the very doctrine you are now attempting to defend, and maybe in sincere faith, God is your judge, not me.

Sir, before leaving these scriptures please listen to word of God telling us WHO Jesus is speaking of that are right there in the very scriptures we are considering~ notice again Jesus' words: For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, not a single person, some superman, etc., but false ChristS, and false prophetS, of whom men will say of...SEE HERE....SEE THERE a man of God filled with the power of God! and they (false prophets) will be QUICK to tell you that they are and that you are to hear the word of God AT THEIR MOUTH, not from a lowly and unlearned believer who does not have the call of God on their life! 
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Re: "Take heed that no one deceives you.
« Reply #12 on: Fri Feb 28, 2020 - 07:54:20 »
Greeting

Matthew 24:4-8  And Jesus answered and said to them: "Take heed that no one deceives you.
For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many.
And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places.
This did not yet happen
 
. . . .

 Matthew 24:36 "But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.

 Day or Hour, Mmmmm Something is missing


Day or Hour - missing?

Answer to your question harkens back to Mosaic LAW - specifically the observance of a Hebrew holiday called YEAR OF JUBILEE.   

Hold on for my answer as it requires a bit of background to explain.

When Moses ascended the mountain to receive God's LAW, the 3rd commandment stipulated remembrance of shabbat to keep it holy - separated from other days for God.  That would be the 3rd commandment if memory serves.  The sabbath day is the seventh day of the week not the first day (read Exodus 20).  Christians break the LAW and SIN every time they attend church on Sunday morning because Sunday is the first day, not the seventh.   Blame the Catholic church for misleading believers.  (Daniel 7, Revelation 13)

Every seventh day was to be a day of rest. (*)

Moses' LAW went on to declare every seventh year as a shabbat year.   During the shabbat/sabbath year the land was not to be cultivated.   Every seven shabbat years was a designated pause and observance of the YEAR OF JUBILEE.

If you're counting that would be 7 x 7 = 49 + 1 = 50.

Every fiftieth year was to be a jubilee year.  During the Jubilee Year all real estate was to be returned to its original owner, debts were to be eliminated and endentured servants/slaves were to be given the option of freedom or to remain in servitude for life. 

The caveat is that the YEAR OF JUBILEE was never observed.

Moses died before fifty years passed and Joshua, who became the leader of the Hebrews, never saw fit to require its observance.   After many years passed, Hebrews eventually lost track of the actual year and date when Moses' delivered the LAW.  They forgot the original date and couldn't calculate following years of Jubilee - not that they were interested in observing it in the first place.

By the time the Chaldeans overran Israel and carried off the Jews into captivity in Babylon nobody even remembered the days of Jubilee.   Seventy years later the Jews returned to the land, to Eretz Israel, but generations would pass before the advent of Yeshuah - Jesus the messiah.  When Jesus walked and taught among the Jewish people of Israel EVERYBODY knew of the lost knowledge.  Nobody knew when the assigned day and time of Jubilee was supposed to begin.

Bear in mind that Jewish shabbat begins at dusk on the sixth day and ends at dusk on the seventh day - Friday to Saturday.   Some Jewish holidays are observed at noon.  So on and so forth....

When Jesus was asked about the Second Coming He replied that nobody knew the DAY or HOUR (dusk or noon or whatever).  Why? 

Because the answer required a mathematical calculation, not a spiritual revelation. 

Their problem was simple.  Nobody could do the math because everybody had forgotten the day and hour stipulated by Moses for observance of Jubilee.

Its just that simple........but there's another spin to the problem.

We add insult to injury when pseudo-prophets attempt predictions. 

Western calendars are based upon one orbit of the earth about the sun - solar calendars.  The Gregorian calendar wasn't adopted until 1582, BY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. (Daniel 7 - again)   The new calendar changed previous LUNAR calendars which observed time according to one orbit of the moon around the earth.  The Muslim calendar is a lunar calendar to this day.   Hebrew calendars are BOTH lunar and solar.  Ask your local rabbi to give you one of their calendars and you'll see it clear enough.

In other words, we can guess the year because Jesus said to watch trends.  We can't guess the day and hour because nobody remembers when it ought to be - dusk, noon, whatever.

Its a mathematical problem, not a spiritual one.   That's why Jesus said nobody knows the day or the hour.   It actually IS rocket science and nobody knows the formula because the point of origin is unknown.

Hope this helps.

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(*) Someone will surely say it doesn't matter which day one chooses to worship God because believers will worship God at all times.  However, the LAW, which gentiles falsely deny, specifies the seventh day is special.  The seventh day is to be observed from dusk on Friday to dusk on Saturday.  No work is to be done, no commerce is to be engaged and no extensive traveling is to be undertaken. It does matter what day one reserves as a day of rest because it matters to GodIt is so stated in God's LAW.

God owns Saturday.
The NFL owns Sunday.
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Re: "Take heed that no one deceives you.
« Reply #13 on: Sun Mar 15, 2020 - 21:23:23 »
You think that simply because you are not hearing what Jesus is saying~As Jesus said many times over: "he that HATH EARS, let him hear" what the Spirit is saying! Agrred~so, let us again read those scriptures: If any man say (those that have been deceived) unto you (the believer) lo HERE IS CHRIST~(not the antichrist speaking but those that have been deceived THINKING that where they are worshipping is a TRUE bible church/temple, where Christ is preached, where miracles are performed, thereby, where the power of God IS.) lo HERE IS CHRIST, or THERE; we are to believe it not~for the very elect test every spirit BY THE WRITTEN word of God, not by fleshly worship, and a "freshly showman" leading the way as cheerleader as one would do for a sports team! Shouting....."somebody ought to praise the Lord, somebody should get excited, etc. etc."

I hear what my Lord Jesus said. The warning of "many" in Matt.24:5 coming claiming to be Christ is about the "many antichrists" of 1 John 2:18. But the pseudochristos ("false Christs") of Matt.24:24 (covered in the 23-26 verse section) is about 'a spurious Messiah' that comes working "great signs and wonders" to deceive. Right off that shows a difference. The 2 Thess.2 Scripture reveals the same warning about the "man of sin" who will sit in a temple in Jerusalem proclaiming to be God, working those signs and lying wonders. Not hard to understand at all; a little child can understand this from those Scriptures.

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Or, the church/temple could have a ONE MAN SHOW who thinks he is the eyes, mouth, ears, hands feet, head of that particular church having a Choleric personality type mixed with a Sanguine personality type that's primarily one being highly talkative, enthusiastic, active, and social. But most of it is fake, nevertheless, he knows that it is needed to deceive their followers, so, to get them HOOKED, they pour forth all the "Karo Syrup" and make them feel they are the most important person in the world and once hooked then they JUST BECOME A ANOTHER  number to be used to further their evil cause!

That's whack, not even abiding by the Scripture.


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Re: "Take heed that no one deceives you.
« Reply #14 on: Mon Mar 16, 2020 - 04:04:08 »
Not hard to understand at all; a little child can understand this from those Scriptures
Using your own words, then you must not have the spiritual mentality of a small child, spiritually speaking!

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Re: "Take heed that no one deceives you.
« Reply #15 on: Fri Mar 20, 2020 - 09:34:19 »
Using your own words, then you must not have the spiritual mentality of a small child, spiritually speaking!

Not my point. I do... have the spiritual mentality of a little child. That is WHY God's Word in its simplicity is so easy. It's men's doctrines that make it hard.

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Re: "Take heed that no one deceives you.
« Reply #16 on: Fri Mar 20, 2020 - 13:37:37 »
I do... have the spiritual mentality of a little child. That is WHY God's Word in its simplicity is so easy.
God does not desire for his children to live in a state of being little children.
Quote from: Paul
1Corinthians 16:13~"Watch ye, stand fast in the faith, quit you like men, be strong."
Most all of the word of God is not made for little children but those of full of age spiritually speaking.  The scriptures are only:
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Proverbs 8:9......all plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge.
Some say, “The Bible is too difficult!” Others say, “The Bible contradicts itself!” Some say that the scriptures are so simple that even a child can under. Many conclude, “Anything can be taught from the Bible. It is impossible to know the truth for sure.” The devil is pleased with such absurd remarks. But the WISE MAN teaches that the words of wisdom are plain and right~ to those with understanding and knowledge! If you have a problem with the Bible, you have the problem, not the Bible! God has given certain rules for us to understand his word.

A little understanding and knowledge, from fearing the Lord and trembling before His word, will open the Bible to us (Proverbs 1:7; 9:10; Psalms 25:14; Isaiah 66:2; Luke 8:18). The words become plain and right, when one studies the Bible humbly by its rules of interpretation. If one approaches it arrogantly or critically, it is designed to confuse and destroy them and it WILL! (See and consider: Ezekiel 14:1-11; Ist Corinthians 1:19-20; 2:13-15; 2nd Thessalonians  2:9-12; 2nd Timothy 2:15; 2nd Peter 3:16).

The Bible is plain and right, if you are born again (John 3:3; Romans 3:11), are enlightened by the Holy Spirit (See and ponder: Ephesians 1:17-18), fear God (Pr 15:33), delight in the Lord (Neh 8:6-8; Ps 37:4), obey what you learn (John 7:17), pray for wisdom (Psalms 119:18; James 1:5), work for it Ist Timothy 2:15; 4:13-15), will take correction (Proverbs 26:12; Ist Corinthians 3:18-19), have a godly motive (Psalms 119:11; Luke 10:38-42).

Not as simple as being a little child who are without very much understanding and true knowledge, which generally comes many years later IF even at that!
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It's men's doctrines that make it hard.
It only makes a wise man work harder and trust God for true light and understanding that only comes over a period of many years of hard labor and prayers and faith in the scriptures where truth is hidden. I would not boast of having the mentality of a little child~a humble spirit YES, knowledge and understanding NO.
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Re: "Take heed that no one deceives you.
« Reply #17 on: Mon Mar 30, 2020 - 09:50:27 »
God does not desire for his children to live in a state of being little children.Most all of the word of God is not made for little children but those of full of age spiritually speaking.  The scriptures are only: Some say, “The Bible is too difficult!” Others say, “The Bible contradicts itself!” Some say that the scriptures are so simple that even a child can under. Many conclude, “Anything can be taught from the Bible. It is impossible to know the truth for sure.” The devil is pleased with such absurd remarks.

And yet, it is YOU that is making all those absurd remarks.

Jesus already explained my point about the simplicity of a little child, and you just mocked Him with your absurd remarks, which shows you really don't have a clue about this...

Luke 18:16-17
16 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, 'Suffer little children to come unto Me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

17 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.'
KJV


That has to do with simplicity, NOT things like men's traditions that make understanding His Kingdom difficult! Or don't you recall what He said to His disciples about the gathering up of the 12 baskets of fragments, to be aware of the leaven of Herod and the Pharisees?


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Re: "Take heed that no one deceives you.
« Reply #18 on: Mon Mar 30, 2020 - 17:54:57 »
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Not my point. I do... have the spiritual mentality of a little child. That is WHY God's Word in its simplicity is so easy. It's men's doctrines that make it hard.
Ya know, this simple post just blessed my heart considerably.