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2012!  DOOMSDAY OR WHAT?

By: Jim Simmons
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Is the world really going to end on December 21, 2012? The Bible does not give us a date for the end times, but it does give us a season to look for. There are some very specific reasons to believe that we are in that last generation that Jesus referred to in Matthew 24:34. In addition to the end times signs listed in Matthew 24, which will precede the Second Coming of Christ, there are some other reasons to believe that we are living in the last days. For more information on the last generation, see my book, The Last Generation: Prophecy, Current World Events, and the End Times. We will take a quick glance at some of the peoples, cultures, religions, and scientists that also believe we are living in that last generation.

THE MAYANS AND 2012

The Mayans lived in Mesoamerica, specifically on the Yucatan Peninsula. In brief, they did not believe the world would come to an end on December 21, 2012,as many people believe. They did believe that a tremendous catastrophic event would occur that would cause a major transition to take place.

That 2012 date, according to the Mayan calendar, represents the end of the 5th cycle or “5th sun.

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« Reply #1 on: Tue Nov 17, 2009 - 11:13:11 »
Thanks for the post  ::smile::
Here is my blog on the whole 2012 thing, scientists seem to think that there are going to be solar flares and stuff like that:
http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/viewblog/?u=11607;id=383

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« Reply #2 on: Tue Nov 17, 2009 - 11:15:03 »
Scripture does not give the date of the Lord's coming.

What we need to be is to be faithful day by day, looking to the Lord. "Even so, come Lord Jesus" (Revelation 22)

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« Reply #3 on: Tue Nov 17, 2009 - 18:21:23 »
Scripture does not give the date of the Lord's coming.

What we need to be is to be faithful day by day, looking to the Lord. "Even so, come Lord Jesus" (Revelation 22)

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« Reply #4 on: Tue Nov 17, 2009 - 19:36:17 »
Just my luck. will have just got my truck paid off.   Hhhmmm.  Perhaps if I blow off the payments because it won't matter anyway...

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« Reply #5 on: Tue Nov 17, 2009 - 22:00:23 »
Just my luck. will have just got my truck paid off.   Hhhmmm.  Perhaps if I blow off the payments because it won't matter anyway...


 rofl  Thanks, zoo, I needed that.  ::crackup::

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« Reply #6 on: Wed Nov 18, 2009 - 16:48:23 »
I dont know if any of you have heard of david Wilcox but he has an interesting take on 2012

check out youtube search David Wilcox 2012

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« Reply #7 on: Wed Nov 18, 2009 - 17:32:46 »
I need my foil hat for this thread!   ::tinfoil::

Dec 21, 2012 was selected as an astrologically significant day by the ancient Mayans (and Chinese) because on that day the center of the Milky Way galaxy will be eclipsed by our Sun, from the perspective of the earth.

The Mayans thought that this disconnect from the "navel" of our galaxy signified a "new birth."  They consider it a beginning, not an ending.

Scientifically, there is nothing particularly dangerous about this alignment.

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« Reply #8 on: Wed Nov 18, 2009 - 18:03:07 »
I need my foil hat for this thread!   ::tinfoil::

Dec 21, 2012 was selected as an astrologically significant day by the ancient Mayans (and Chinese) because on that day the center of the Milky Way galaxy will be eclipsed by our Sun, from the perspective of the earth.

The Mayans thought that this disconnect from the "navel" of our galaxy signified a "new birth."  They consider it a beginning, not an ending.

Scientifically, there is nothing particularly dangerous about this alignment.


Perhaps this was the real "new birth" that man written book was referring to?   ::pondering::

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« Reply #9 on: Wed Nov 18, 2009 - 23:13:16 »
Zoonance - What man written book? ???

Stucky - Nice research. ::tippinghat::



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« Reply #10 on: Wed Nov 18, 2009 - 23:31:02 »
Zoonance - What man written book? ???

Stucky - Nice research. ::tippinghat::



Sylvia 49   


Thank you Sylvia.

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« Reply #11 on: Thu Nov 19, 2009 - 00:40:57 »

To me 2012 sounds much like the past resurrected.

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« Reply #12 on: Thu Nov 19, 2009 - 07:22:16 »
The world was supposed to end in 2000....now 2012.  2012 will come and go and people will find a new date to get excited about *yawn*.

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« Reply #13 on: Thu Nov 19, 2009 - 14:23:43 »
Nobody knows when the last day will be, not even the angels in heaven know. Only the Father knows when (Matthew 24:36).

In the meantime, we are to live soberly, righteously, and godly in this present age, looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ (Titus 2:12-13). Be faithful to Him.


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I'll take "Or What" for 200 Alex.

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« Reply #15 on: Fri Nov 20, 2009 - 03:13:45 »
I reckon it will haapen it happen later in 2016-17 or later but i reckon 2012 is to early. all i know is that my messianic bible study group that i attend agree that the end won't likely be in 2012. I  wish i could remmember more infomation to show you evidence behind my claim. i can't prove or disprove you and i am going to leave it on that note to be safe but i stongly believe that the tribulation has not started yet nor that the end is coming in 2012.

But i do remeber somthing about the four generations that i think i posted a while ago maybe last year and apprently at the end of the benjamine generation either tribulation or the end will come. These four generations started from the 1900's and i think they wre like 25-30 time periods(generations) .  here i copied this of one of myposts i made :

In the generation of 1916-1945 60% of this generation were bible believing Church going evangelical Christians.  The next generation called the boomer generation from 1945- 1965 the numbers decreased to 35%.  The Builder generation from 1966-1985 the number of evangelical Christians decreased to 16% and the next generation called the Bridger generation, which is 1986 to 2006 the number has decreased to just 4%.  I wonder how long the bejamin generation will go for which the one wer are in now.

damm i hope that percentage has increased  ::frown::, think i heard this info from a sermon by Joseph Prince
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« Reply #16 on: Fri Nov 20, 2009 - 07:34:30 »


      The worlds end has been being predicted at different times for as long as I can remember(Probably long before that).
       The last big deal was to have occurred when the year changed from i9999 to 2000.  The conclusion I have reached
       is that the world ends for each one of us separately and privately at the time of our individual deaths. IMO.   ::smile::
       May GOD save us all,Amen.

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« Reply #17 on: Fri Nov 20, 2009 - 14:30:01 »
We aren't supposed to be date fixing as to the "end."  Jesus said that no one knew the day nor the hour but the Father in Heaven.  We're just supposed to be ready when OUR end comes - whether that be before or when Jesus comes back.    ::hourglass::

Prophecy has given us signs to follow, so we will know the direction our world is taking.  And when things come to pass, it vindicates Scripture and our faith.  We're also given guidelines as to how we should spend our time and come closer and closer to our Lord.   ::reading::

Each generation has felt that His coming was "at the very doors."  We see what is unfolding around us, and feel that way, too.  I, personally, believe that Jesus WILL ::The B-I-B-L-E, yes that's th come soon.  But "soon" to God is not necessairly the same as "soon" to us.   We are to just watch and wait, and to work to proclaim the Gospel as Jesus instructed.  ::preachit::

What are we doing as a "good" servant of Jesus Christ?  Will He proclaim to us, "Well done, good and faithful servant?"  At times I know my interests supercede the passion I should feel for the Lord and His work.  When I read the Gospel, He reminds me where my "treasure" should be accumulating, and it's NOT here.  

Help us to be ready, and "amen, come Lord Jesus!"    ::clappingoverhead:: ::cheerleader:: ::amen!::
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« Reply #18 on: Fri Nov 20, 2009 - 14:32:45 »
Ms Slivia:

Instead, we need to be 'looking unto Jesus', as Hebrews says, right? and keep serving Him by His grace, while we wait for His return.

Take care.

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« Reply #19 on: Fri Nov 20, 2009 - 17:20:25 »
I hope some of you are not missing the author's point:  "If you don’t know Jesus, then now is the time to meet Him. Read the 3rd chapter of the Gospel of John. If you are a believer, now is the time to spread the news. The fields are ready for harvest."

 

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« Reply #20 on: Fri Nov 20, 2009 - 18:56:48 »
Got it, Stucky! ::amen!::

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« Reply #21 on: Fri Nov 20, 2009 - 18:58:34 »

I do not know about the rest of you, but I read many things that must come to pass prior to start counting those of a certain generation.

Matthew 24:5  For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

This has been done and is continuing.

Matthew 24:6-8  And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7  For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8  All these are the beginning of sorrows.

An ever present event in our world.

Matthew 24:9  Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

What is Jesus talking about? Matthew 24:3 says that as Jesus sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
 
Matthew 24:13  But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

What end is being talked of here? We read back in Verse 3 that Jesus was asked of the end of the world (Age).

Matthew 24:14  And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Has all nations (Not individuals) been preached to yet?

Matthew 24:15  When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

This event will occur in the middle of the tribulation.


Matthew 24:16-22 These next verses certainly describe great tribulation. Revelation 3:10 calls that time "The hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth."
 
16  Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17  Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18  Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19  And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20  But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21  For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22  And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Just read on through those verses and find our text context of who that generation pertains to and when it begins. Hopefully present Christians will be in heaven prior to most of these things ever coming to pass.

Matthew 24:34  Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

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« Reply #22 on: Fri Nov 20, 2009 - 19:11:36 »
Good points, Larry.

There are many things that need to happen yet.  Jesus said that those days would be shortened, or He would not even find faith on the earth.

Kinda like the Berlin Wall.  I would never have thought that it would come down in my generation, or that the USSR would fall.  They seemed to have been rock solid.  We were all glued to the tube in awe when these things happened.

God has ways and means we have no understanding about that could bring these prophecies happen before we know it.

Like Stucky said,  make our election and calling sure, so these days do not come upon us when we are unaware and unready. ::smile::

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« Reply #23 on: Fri Nov 20, 2009 - 22:16:39 »
And, how would you define "Babylon," my friend?

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« Reply #24 on: Fri Nov 20, 2009 - 22:44:47 »

Dear JHM, you certainly put a lot of effort into attempting to associate different churches as the cause of the tribulation if I follow you right; I did not read it all and only looked at chapter headings and little more if it interested me. The problem with your theory is that you seem to be taking away the spiritual character of those churches in Revelation Chapters two and three and calling them unchristian. Can you possibly condense your writing to something like one page we'll actually take a look at? For instance in Revelation 18:4 God's people are told to come out of that system or suffer the plagues she will suffer.

My thoughts.

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« Reply #25 on: Sat Nov 21, 2009 - 00:32:31 »
Well, JHM, I read the whole thing - even all the Strong's quotes, and the different Bibles' definitions.  I'm sorry, it just confuses me.  I can't come up with your hypothesis that the US is Babylon and Canada is Chaldea.

This is a forum for Christian decussion and somehow I can't put this in a spiritual context.  I know the Bible uses metaphores, but I can't place them as you have.

I do have a personal belief about Babylon that would be part of another forum on Christian Forums.  But won't go into that here.

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« Reply #26 on: Sat Nov 21, 2009 - 17:02:09 »
I agree with the fact that the whole world is becoming like Sodom and Gomorrah.  But this is predicted in Scripture. "As in the days of Noah..." and God destroyed the earth because of it.  And He'll do it again, just as He has told us.

I will still read your posts on the link, but here I think I'll beg off. ::tippinghat::

In Him, Sylvia49

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« Reply #27 on: Sat Nov 21, 2009 - 17:08:18 »

Dear JHM, what are we to do? I read in Luke 21:28, "And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh."
 

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« Reply #28 on: Sat Nov 21, 2009 - 23:56:17 »

Dear JHM, in scripture when a woman is mentioned as peoples, it refers to religion; not nations. Revelation 18:4 is telling God's people to come out of an apostate religion at that period to escape her judgment. You mention Babylon as the USA and we are not the mother of harlots. She received her power riding the beast, or nations, and those nations and kingdoms mentioned will see their source of income go down the tubes as she falls.

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« Reply #29 on: Sun Nov 22, 2009 - 01:17:12 »

You can lead a horse to water; but you can't make it drink. I have not seen anywhere in the Bible that says a woman represents "Apostate Religion". Additionally if you read a book titled : "I was an economic hitman for the CIA", you might revise your opinion about the "Mother of Harlots". The long and the short of it is, the CIA has for decades been responsible for installing and supporting dictatorships throughout the third world with a view to exploiting the countries involved. The deal is basically the dictator is allowed to become filthy rich; and in return the capitalist corporations are allowed to strip the country's resources for next to nothing. This  while the people suffer incredible poverty, and oppression from their own government. Jimmy Carter, (A real Christian), pulled the plug on the Shah of Iran and Marcos in the Phillipines. The Shah fled to Hawaii, and I am sure you must remember Imelda Marcos and her 6000 pairs of shoes. Mobutu Sese Seko became a billionaire. Somoza had a fortune of $540,000,000.00 Papa Doc Duvalier had a fortune too. And that is just to name a few of them.

It always amazes me how you and others want to dig into some other book to back a theory. Lead a horse to water? No wonder you have never heard of a woman used to desribe or typify God's people or religion. Please consider the following writen by Gene Hawkins.

There are different references to religion referred to as a woman.

We know that Christ is that bridegroom, He is going to marry a woman out of the Church.

There is reference to five wise virgins are actually a part a heavenly company.

There are many Catholic organizations, and even churches, and we're also going to see this here in just a little bit how that women are used in scripture in order to portray religious bodies. Catholicism does that by their own admission. They talk about the Sisters of Charity. There are Our Lady of Lourdes, Our Lady of Sorrows, Our Lady of Peace, Our Lady of the Presentation, Queen of the Holy Rosary, and of course those identify with Mary.

Women in general in the scripture are typified to typify people actually in relation to the Lord; that is the weaker vessel. We find Christ of course would be the man, the husband; and He is the strong one. We read that the chaste virgin is a picture of the true bride of Christ subject unto Christ, but we know that a woman is used the portray the wife or the bride of Jehovah, and here in this place Jezebel is used to portray the false church, and it means she is claiming a place that really does not belong to her; notice what He says: "I have a few things against thee, because, Thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess." Now the first time we read of Jezebel is back when she was married to Ahab. We know that Ahab is symbolic of those nations of the end time, the spirit of the antichrist that are going to rule. Well when we get to the seventeenth chapter of Revelation we find that there is a woman riding the beast, and she is called a harlot, and indeed she is doing the same thing with the nations that Jezebel did with Ahab; she stirred Ahab; she is the one that influenced him.

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« Reply #30 on: Sun Nov 22, 2009 - 02:52:56 »

Dear JHM, regardless of your experience, reading and what ever, when it doesn't match scripture in my understanding I must turn from it. I see "Mystery, Babylon the Great, the morher of harlots and abominations of the earth" described in Revelation 17:5 as a religious organization in the end times; not a nation.

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« Reply #31 on: Sun Nov 22, 2009 - 18:39:08 »
I take it When Jesus says" No one knows the time of destruction not him Jesus nor the angles only the Father" to mean the year and the day and the hour.

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« Reply #32 on: Sun Nov 22, 2009 - 18:42:16 »
I take it When Jesus says" No one knows the time of destruction not him Jesus nor the angles only the Father" to mean the year and the day and the hour.

A very good point.  I believe we can know the times (season) because Jesus gave us the signs to watch for.

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« Reply #33 on: Sun Nov 22, 2009 - 19:31:44 »
You may be right, but what the Bible says is this :

Mark 13 : 32 (Revised Standard Version)
"But of that day or that hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. - - -"


You want to change that to no-one knows, (or has ever known), anything about when it will happen, that is your perogative. I have no idea why the Mayans selected 2012 as the last YEAR on their calandar, though I do know that they were visited by a man they revered. So maybe they got some level of inside information. Me I'll just keep an open mind. God knows that pretty well all the necessary conditions are in place for the destruction if you subscribe to my beliefs about "Babylon & Chaldea" - and you have to wonder how long they can remain in place; - it points to a sooner rather than later ending.

JHM...Not arguing with you but, curious as to what you think would happen on 2012 (if, in fact, it did)?

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« Reply #34 on: Sun Nov 22, 2009 - 20:15:41 »
 ::alert:: ::alert:: ::alert::

JHM,  What you have just done is hijack this thread and is a violation of the forum rules.  Please limit your discussion of babylon to the threads you have created for that topic.  Thank you.

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