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Offline AngelLover89

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2012??
« on: Mon Jan 04, 2010 - 03:16:37 »
What do you all believe about 2012?

On the one hand, Israel is once again rising to prominence, as are all the middle Eastern nations of biblical importance (or their present-day equivalents); as my sister's boyfriend said, people are going to and fro, information is speeding up etc... and apparently the Mayan calendar ends in December of that year. Apparently the earth will be aligned with the center of the Milky Way and oh boy crazy stuff is bound to happen.

Then again.... The Lord said NO ONE (not even the Mayans) knoweth the day nor the hour.

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« Reply #1 on: Mon Jan 04, 2010 - 04:29:28 »
Its the end of an ancient calendar no more no less............... ::smile::

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« Reply #2 on: Mon Jan 04, 2010 - 16:12:16 »
Here is an article that i dug up.....I think it makes sence....but there isnt anything that we can do about it....


March 10, 2006: It's official: Solar minimum has arrived. Sunspots have all but vanished. Solar flares are nonexistent. The sun is utterly quiet.

Like the quiet before a storm.

This week researchers announced that a storm is coming--the most intense solar maximum in fifty years. The prediction comes from a team led by Mausumi Dikpati of the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR). "The next sunspot cycle will be 30% to 50% stronger than the previous one," she says. If correct, the years ahead could produce a burst of solar activity second only to the historic Solar Max of 1958.


above: Intense auroras over Fairbanks, Alaska, in 1958.

That was a solar maximum. The Space Age was just beginning: Sputnik was launched in Oct. 1957 and Explorer 1 (the first US satellite) in Jan. 1958. In 1958 you couldn't tell that a solar storm was underway by looking at the bars on your cell phone; cell phones didn't exist. Even so, people knew something big was happening when Northern Lights were sighted three times in Mexico. A similar maximum now would be noticed by its effect on cell phones, GPS, weather satellites and many other modern technologies.



Dikpati's prediction is unprecedented. In nearly-two centuries since the 11-year sunspot cycle was discovered, scientists have struggled to predict the size of future maxima—and failed. Solar maxima can be intense, as in 1958, or barely detectable, as in 1805, obeying no obvious pattern.

The key to the mystery, Dikpati realized years ago, is a conveyor belt on the sun.

We have something similar here on Earth—the Great Ocean Conveyor Belt, popularized in the sci-fi movie The Day After Tomorrow. It is a network of currents that carry water and heat from ocean to ocean--see the diagram below. In the movie, the Conveyor Belt stopped and threw the world's weather into chaos.


above:Earth's "Great Ocean Conveyor Belt

The sun's conveyor belt is a current, not of water, but of electrically-conducting gas. It flows in a loop from the sun's equator to the poles and back again. Just as the Great Ocean Conveyor Belt controls weather on Earth, this solar conveyor belt controls weather on the sun. Specifically, it controls the sunspot cycle.

Solar physicist David Hathaway of the National Space Science & Technology Center (NSSTC) explains: "First, remember what sunspots are--tangled knots of magnetism generated by the sun's inner dynamo. A typical sunspot exists for just a few weeks. Then it decays, leaving behind a 'corpse' of weak magnetic fields."

Enter the conveyor belt.


Above: The sun's "great conveyor belt."

"The top of the conveyor belt skims the surface of the sun, sweeping up the magnetic fields of old, dead sunspots. The 'corpses' are dragged down at the poles to a depth of 200,000 km where the sun's magnetic dynamo can amplify them. Once the corpses (magnetic knots) are reincarnated (amplified), they become buoyant and float back to the surface." Presto—new sunspots!



All this happens with massive slowness. "It takes about 40 years for the belt to complete one loop," says Hathaway. The speed varies "anywhere from a 50-year pace (slow) to a 30-year pace (fast)."

When the belt is turning "fast," it means that lots of magnetic fields are being swept up, and that a future sunspot cycle is going to be intense. This is a basis for forecasting: "The belt was turning fast in 1986-1996," says Hathaway. "Old magnetic fields swept up then should re-appear as big sunspots in 2010-2011."

Like most experts in the field, Hathaway has confidence in the conveyor belt model and agrees with Dikpati that the next solar maximum should be a doozy. But he disagrees with one point. Dikpati's forecast puts Solar Max at 2012. Hathaway believes it will arrive sooner, in 2010 or 2011.

"History shows that big sunspot cycles 'ramp up' faster than small ones," he says. "I expect to see the first sunspots of the next cycle appear in late 2006 or 2007—and Solar Max to be underway by 2010 or 2011."

All info recieved from this site: http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/10mar_stormwarning.htm

God Bless  ::amen!::

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« Reply #3 on: Tue Jan 05, 2010 - 00:03:30 »
That was all very nice and long.

I believe that Jesus will return in fulfillment of the Feast of Trumpets and the year of Jubilee. This will have the next possibility on Sept 14, 2015. If this is the "Acceptable Year" then the rise of the antichrist would be April 6, 2012.

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« Reply #4 on: Tue Jan 05, 2010 - 16:34:42 »
I don't know about 2012 being the year or not, but it's always wise to try to take precautions, in at all possible, in case it is.

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« Reply #5 on: Tue Jan 05, 2010 - 16:40:22 »
Well it's a good bet science or God is wrong. I would put my money on God not being wrong. This 2012 stuff is getting out of hand. Even the Mayans themselves, the ones that are living today say that it was not intended to be an end time event. Just like that comet, I forgot the name that was suppose to according to the Mayans crash into earth it never happened. There have been 220 failed end time predictions since 46 AD and none have happened the record speaks for itself. Jesus says no man knows the time or day, guess what none do cause none have gotten it right.....

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« Reply #6 on: Tue Jan 05, 2010 - 18:19:42 »
I believe that Jesus said no one knows the day, hour, minute, or second of the end of this world before His 2nd physical coming. Not even the angels in heaven knows. Only the Father knows. ::smile::

In the meantime, I'm going to trust Him for me to be ready when He comes.  ::crackup::

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« Reply #7 on: Tue Jan 05, 2010 - 18:35:30 »
HeavensTears

Sorry, miss quote and wrong interpretation.

Mt 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no one, not even the angels of heaven, neither the Son, but the Father only.

This was the answer of Jesus to the question of the end of the world. Not the second coming.

Mt 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

As I understand it, the world continues for at least another millennium and no one knows for sure how long after that.

Re 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus, and for the word of God, and such as worshiped not the beast, neither his image, and received not the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand; and they lived, and reigned with Christ a thousand years.


2pe 3:12 looking for and earnestly desiring the coming of the day of God, by reason of which the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Peter here also spoke of the dissolution of the universe not the second coming.

The eighth day, eternal day begins after the kingdom reign of Christ, somewhere in that eternity God has chosen to dissolve the universe as we know it and do something more spectacular.

1co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.





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« Reply #8 on: Tue Jan 05, 2010 - 18:41:21 »
I believe that Jesus said no one knows the day, hour, minute, or second of the end of this world before His 2nd physical coming. Not even the angels in heaven knows. Only the Father knows. ::smile::

In the meantime, I'm going to trust Him for me to be ready when He comes.  ::crackup::

 ::amen:: ::amen:: ::amen::

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« Reply #9 on: Tue Jan 05, 2010 - 18:47:57 »
   ::tinfoil::

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« Reply #10 on: Tue Jan 05, 2010 - 19:06:39 »
That's strange!

I must have missed it 12 years ago, or 24 years ago or 36 years ago.

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« Reply #11 on: Tue Jan 05, 2010 - 19:13:53 »
I also missed it 48 years ago and 60 years ago.

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« Reply #12 on: Tue Jan 05, 2010 - 19:16:48 »
Dorian,

Please tell me about God and Jesus and where they come from?  I'm interested.

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« Reply #13 on: Tue Jan 05, 2010 - 19:25:48 »
So, is Jesus God?  Is He our Saviour?

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« Reply #14 on: Tue Jan 05, 2010 - 19:32:19 »
Stuck we are being discourteous, to the author of this Thread.

This thread is about 2012, not about Jesus or GOD.

I dont mind at all reasoning with you but then we must start our own thread then you and I can talk about anything.

This would only be fair to the others.

Dont you think. We must always be mindful of others.

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« Reply #15 on: Tue Jan 05, 2010 - 19:35:44 »
In order to live through 2012 you have to do one thing. "Ignore it" it will pass as any other year.  Go here and you will see:

http://www.bible.ca/pre-date-setters.htm

These things have a bad track record. I.E.....1984, Y2K and the list goes on.  NASA also tells us why it won't happen:

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/NASA-Tells-Us-Why-2012-Won-t-Happen-15632.html

Even the Mayans don't agree:

http://news.aol.com/article/world-wont-end-in-2012-mayans-insist/713074

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« Reply #16 on: Tue Jan 05, 2010 - 19:36:39 »
I guess I'm older than Stuckey.

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« Reply #17 on: Tue Jan 05, 2010 - 19:39:26 »
Any link you go to, any book you read, any video you see, any news reel you listen too

Sorry dude, ALL WRONG, ALL SPINS.

I do not get my knowing from these sources, so save the links.


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« Reply #18 on: Tue Jan 05, 2010 - 19:42:15 »
I guess I'm older than Stuckey.


Yes you are Brent.  I'm only 66.

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« Reply #19 on: Tue Jan 05, 2010 - 19:43:05 »
Any link you go to, any book you read, any video you see, any news reel you listen too

Sorry dude, ALL WRONG, ALL SPINS.

I do not get my knowing from these sources, so save the links.



Your sadly deceived so wait around and be sadly disappointed. 2012 is a joke! You got it from some where unless your God? And I doubt that.

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« Reply #20 on: Tue Jan 05, 2010 - 19:50:03 »
I am not lying dear brother.

No book, no video, no television show, no magazine, no New Age Forum. No Movie.

Jesus said the Kingdom of Heaven is in your heart. He also said Spiritual things are Spiritually discerned.

No lie at all.

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« Reply #21 on: Tue Jan 05, 2010 - 19:55:40 »
I am not lying dear brother.

No book, no video, no television show, no magazine, no New Age Forum. No Movie.

Jesus said the Kingdom of Heaven is in your heart. He also said Spiritual things are Spiritually discerned.

No lie at all.

You always say "Jesus said this" and Jesus said that" but you never cite Scripture.

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« Reply #22 on: Tue Jan 05, 2010 - 19:56:39 »
Stuckey,

You'll notice that I didn't add 72, but you still have me by four.

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« Reply #23 on: Tue Jan 05, 2010 - 19:57:18 »
I am not lying dear brother.

No book, no video, no television show, no magazine, no New Age Forum. No Movie.

Jesus said the Kingdom of Heaven is in your heart. He also said Spiritual things are Spiritually discerned.

No lie at all.

He didn't say you were lying, he said you were deceived.

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« Reply #24 on: Tue Jan 05, 2010 - 20:09:26 »
Stuck

In answer to your question;

I quote his words because it is TRUTH. It is not subject to you or me, to Christianity or Islam, or Paganism
It is simply the Truth. The truth that he spoke, not the words given to him by organisations or men but the actual words of Jesus as we can best  recall those I will continue to use in my life.

Before Jesus was born at least 1800 years  before Buddha also said important TRUTHS. These men both understood something we all have to still get to.

To cite scripture means nothing. It is to impress and it is to bolster up the ego.

Both of these qualities should not be found in any of us. Matters not what religion or creed.

For example you started a thread on GLORIFY.  I wanted to post there but then I stopped.

Words like that need to be investigated. Although it is an important question there are other tool to be used other than Scripture. The reason being and you can go to any THEOLOGIAN who works for the Bible Institute. I have had person contact with these men. Some are have been my friends.
They have personally told  me the english languages fails the scriptures.

Hope you understand what  I am saying.

If you quote me a scripture that is grand but then allow me add something that most Christian lack THE SPIRITUAL PERSPECTIVE. That is not an insult. The Jews did the same to Jesus. They quoted and quoted but hardly any of them understood Jesus.

GOD is mostly silent, people pray for years and still die of ill dis-ease inspite that they prayed. Why?

For most answers are found there. There where the mind cannot disturb, neither our pride.

So I dont have to cite, I must understand.

Bless You.

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« Reply #25 on: Tue Jan 05, 2010 - 20:22:02 »
Actually son, you said a lot of words that didn't mean anything right there.  You simply talked in circles.  My people used to call that "speaking with a forked tongue."

If you had more learning and a law degree you would make a good lawyer as you can talk a lot without making a point.

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« Reply #26 on: Tue Jan 05, 2010 - 20:34:37 »
Stuck where I come from my people when they say the words 'Son'  the father is never  so accusatory.

But you still gotta love me Stuck, we in this twogether ::smile::

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« Reply #27 on: Tue Jan 05, 2010 - 20:36:51 »
Stuck where I come from my people when they say the words 'Son'  the father is never  so accusatory.

But you still gotta love me Stuck, we in this twogether ::smile::


Dorian,

Where I come from we usually call someone son just before we bust his chops.  Be that as it may, I love the outer you but hate the inner you.  We definately are not in this together.

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« Reply #28 on: Tue Jan 05, 2010 - 20:46:07 »
Without love there can be no eternal life.

We must love there can be no hatred. It is not part of the GOD you profess to love.

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« Reply #29 on: Tue Jan 05, 2010 - 22:59:56 »
Stuckey,

I think you and I are the only ones here to have been down in the mud and the blood, so to speak. It's easy to flap your lips, something else to know.

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« Reply #30 on: Wed Jan 06, 2010 - 04:18:44 »
I am not lying dear brother.

No book, no video, no television show, no magazine, no New Age Forum. No Movie.

Jesus said the Kingdom of Heaven is in your heart. He also said Spiritual things are Spiritually discerned.

No lie at all.

Show in scripture, Book and verse where this 2012 end time prophecy is proclaimed. You can't cause it  don't exist. Its just another one of those hypes that are built up to make money off the movie goers. Its False Prophecy to proclaim this in the name of Jesus our Lord.........

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« Reply #31 on: Thu Jan 07, 2010 - 23:18:45 »
Have you ever seen the inside of your head?

Prove to me that you have a brain?

When will you realize God cannot be found in verses, books, buildings, rituals, or in stone statues or in festivals.


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« Reply #32 on: Fri Jan 08, 2010 - 10:41:24 »
Stuckey,

I think you and I are the only ones here to have been down in the mud and the blood, so to speak. It's easy to flap your lips, something else to know.


Exactly, Brent.

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« Reply #33 on: Fri Jan 08, 2010 - 10:42:34 »
Have you ever seen the inside of your head?

Prove to me that you have a brain?

When will you realize God cannot be found in verses, books, buildings, rituals, or in stone statues or in festivals.


God can be found everywhere, if you are looking.

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« Reply #34 on: Fri Jan 08, 2010 - 14:44:53 »
This is a partial article by Benoit Trembley that I am posting and I do tend to agree with what he says here as there may be some occurrences that could happen, but it is not going to be the end of the world. Another factor in all of this is that HAARP (High-Frequency Active Auroral Research Program) could actually escalate more cosmic occurrences to help usher in the NWO as this to is government controlled.   

The base of all the predictions is the end of the Maya calendar in 2012, which is supposed to mean the end of the world or a period of radical changes. In fact, the end of the Maya calendar is known as the end of the Great Cycle. People find it easy to believe in that theory because Maya civilization is known for advanced writing, mathematics and astronomy. It can seem like they really know what they’re talking about, but the truth is that the end of the Great Cycle is not the end of the world, it’s in fact a great celebration for the Mayas:

    For the ancient Maya, it was a huge celebration to make it to the end of a whole cycle