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9 X 666.666
« on: Tue Oct 17, 2017 - 08:56:24 »
Let’s go back to the discussion of 6000 Years. Many in the past who study end time prophesy believed that 6000 years has been given mankind to fill God’s cup with wrath and indignation, and when it overflows, the LORD Jesus Christ would begin the last 7 years of tribulation against the Jews for their transgression, and against his Gentile enemies, bringing to a close Daniel’s prophesy of 490 Years. 

If you recall the LORD compares the end of the end days as a woman about to give birth, she being in extreme pain. The woman will have carried her child for 9 months, and at the end of that last month (end of the end days) she would suffer great pains before delivery.

Isa.26:17-18, “Like a woman with child, that draws near the time of her delivery, is in pain, and cries out in her pangs (pain), so have we (the Jews) been in your sight, O LORD. We (Israel) have been with child, we have been in pain --.”

Isa.37:3, “This day is a day of trouble, and of rebuke, and of blasphemy, for the children are come to the birth, (about to be born) and there is not strength to bring forth.”
 
1 Thes.5:3, “For when they (the Jews) say Peace and safety; then sudden destruction comes upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.”

Rev.12:2, “And she (Israel) being with child cried, travailing in birth and pained to be delivered.”

Concerning the 6000 Year, Bishop Ussher’s date of Oct.23, 4004 B.C. has been the start point for many end time writers, it’s the day the earth conceived man in his sin. When I took my calculator, and went forward 6000 years from 4004 B.C. it took me to the year 1996 A.D. This years was hot for those studying end time prophesy, they believed they had cracked the clues written in Scripture, but, 1996 came and went, What happened?

I began to examine the situation, believing these men were on the right track, but I could not figure out what happened, so I set the study aside. One morning about a year later, at 3 A.M., not having concerned myself with the subject, I woke up with the answer. It was not a dream or vision, it was as if I had it stored away and someone pulled it out.  I know the Lord gave me the answer as He has done several other times; same way; same time. Ezekiel’s two stick conclusion, same thing, same time 3 A.M.

So, I took nine 9 periods = (a hyperbolic expression concerning the nine months a woman carries before delivering); divided 6 into 6000 and came up with the number 666.666. Each to represent one period of 666 + years.

Now I took 6 of these periods and multiply 6 X 666.666 years, it came to 3999.996 years, rounded off, 4000 years. I took the year 4004 B.C. and subtracted 4000 years and it brought me to Oct. 4 B.C. the year and month Jesus was born.

Here was the final clue that gave the answer to the dilemma mentioned above. I went to Luke 2:14, for the answer, it concerning the new born child, Jesus.

Luke 2:14, “Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, (and) good will toward men.”

In my research, I found that the Roman empire was at peace at that time like never before in there history. They had cleared the seas of Pirates, were building roads, etc.

And for the next 30 years God’s peace would overshadow mankind.” The Prince of peace had arrived.

In 4 B.C. God’s countdown stopped. 30 years later, Jesus at the age of 30, (see Luke 3:23) was baptized by John and the Holy Spirit at the river Jorden. Here is where he was anointed High Priest after the order of Melchizedek. He would be man’s mediator, man’s bridge to the Father. It was only through this open door to the Father’s throne that John passed, see Rev.4:1.

After his baptism, Jesus was led into the wilderness and tempted of the devil. From this time forward 26 A.D. Jesus war with the devil, the Pharisees, the Successes, and the people of Israel, the war started up again, and God’s end time clock started its final countdown to 6000 Years.

In Daniel 9:26 we read, “After three score and two weeks (434 years) (the first week, or 49 years had already passed) shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself ---.”

Now the big question, “did the Jews cut Jesus off, or did Jesus cut the Jews off?” 
 
Question: what does the phrase “cut off” mean? Did God cut the Jews off, or did the Jews cut Jesus off? It was as it was in the garden of Eden, God cut Adam off!
“Cut off has several meanings.” (1) To cut off as a rotten limb from a tree: (2), hewn down as expelled from a congregation: (3) or given a divorce that cuts a man off from his wife.
 
I understand it to be #3:

Jer.3:8, Speaking of the children of Israel, “For all the causes whereby backsliding Israel (10 Northern tribes) committed adultery, I (God) had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce” also “treacherous sister Judah (2 southern tribes) has not turned unto me.”

Jesus has set aside the Jews for a time in order to establish the church, the bride of Christ. This is to be his wife, it beginning with Paul’s ministry.  Acts 9:15, “The Lord said unto him (Ananias) Go thy way: for he (Paul) is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name (Jesus) before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel,” this happened about 37 A.D. 
Under Jewish law, only a man could enact a divorce, unless the woman could show the rabbis that she had sufficient grounds, this could not be the case for the Lord.

Jesus divorced the nation of Israel because of their unbelief, idol worship, and because the Jews had “forsaken Him. But concerning the Jews, God has always saved for himself a small remnant for His own purposes, beginning with the 12 and the 120 seen in Acts 1:15, to be followed by the Christian church. 

In Oct of 26 B.C. Jesus cut the nation of Israel off, the clock began. Now, for the next 7 years Jesus was to confirm his new covenant with the Jews. But in the “middle of the week 3 ½ Years, He was crucified, leaving 3 ½ years to complete the conformation of this new covenant.

What was God's new covenant with the Jews?

Jer.31:31, “Behold, the days come, said the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel (Northern 10 tribes) and with the house of Judah (2 Southern tribes)” with the Jews before his death. He was not cut off at the cross, but in 26 A.D. after his confrontation with the devil. I will post another article to prove this point.

Now from 26 A.D. we have 3 periods of 666.666 Years remaining of the 9. I took my calculator and multiplied 3 X 666,666 and came up with 1999.999 years, rounded off 2 thousand years. 26 A.D. is our start up point, + 2000 brings us to October of  2026.

I will make further posts concerning the two dates, 2019 and 2026 A.D.

Phil LaSpino

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« Reply #1 on: Wed Oct 18, 2017 - 01:02:41 »
LaSpino3  -  It appears that the foundation of the structure you are building with your recent posts is based almost entirely on the single date supplied by Ussher - the October 23, 4004 BC date, correct?   If you are confident enough of this man's research to use that given date, and are familiar with his work, then surely, in your review of Ussher's history, haven't you already encountered his presentation of the 70-weeks prophecy of Daniel?  Unlike your position, Ussher presented the 70 weeks as a complete, UNBROKEN span of 490 years total, with no gaps or "stopped clocks" whatever. 

Besides, where in scripture can anyone find authorization to arbitrarily "stop the clock" when a set period of time defines the extent of a prophecy's term limits?  To do so turns the stipulated prophetic term into something meaningless.  In other words, a stretchable tape measure is no reliable measure of length at all, so why should it even be used? 

Perhaps like me, LaSpino3, you don't agree with every date put forth by Ussher.  The following part of his studies I have researched as thoroughly as I can, and agree with it, even if I find his October 23, 4004 BC date to be slightly off. Ussher's work stated that God began the last 7-year period of Daniel's 70 weeks prophecy at the launching of Christ's public ministry in AD 30 (with the first miracle at Cana). 

This quote is from his notes on year AD 30 (6303).  "Now we have arrived at the public ministry of Christ...The FIRST PASSOVER of the MINISTRY of CHRIST {Joh 2:13} From which the first year of the seventieth and last week of Daniel begins, in which THE COVENANT IS CONFIRMED WITH MANY.  {Da 9:27 cf. Mt 26:28} "

Ussher continues to record the countdown of the years of the 70th week of Daniel.  In AD 31's notes (6332), he again mentions "The SECOND PASSOVER of the MINISTRY of CHRIST {Joh 5:1 cf. Joh 4:3,5,35} From which begins the second year of the 70th week of Daniel."

Again, in AD 32's notes (6369), he mentions "The THIRD PASSOVER of the MINISTRY of CHRIST {Joh 6:4}  From which began the third year of the 70th week of Daniel."

And finally, in AD 33's notes (6454), he mentions "The FOURTH PASSOVER in which CHRIST, our PASSOVER, was sacrificed, {I Co 5:7} and so put an end to all the legal sacrifices prefiguring this one.  The beginning of the fourth, or middle year of the last week of Daniel. {Da 9:27} "

LaSpino3, you yourself have brought up the year AD 37 (which date Ussher also uses) when Paul was commissioned by the Lord in Jerusalem's temple, telling Paul to "Depart: for I will send thee far hence unto the Gentiles" (Acts 22:17-21).  This event and year concluded the 490th year of Daniel's prophecy from 454 BC until 37 AD.  The "Messenger of the Covenant" (Mal. 3:1) had given the "lost sheep of the house of Israel" (Matt. 15:24) that last, single covenant "week" with evangelism being concentrated on the Jews before He turned the full impact of that evangelistic thrust to bring the gospel to the Gentile world at large. 

Scripture tells us that many Jews DID take advantage of that offer (John 2:23, 7:31, 12:11, Acts 4:4, 5:14), and believed and turned to the Christ who confirmed the "New Covenant of His blood" with them (Luke 22:20).  After that AD 37 date, the unbelieving branches were broken off (Rom 11:17-20), and were eventually gathered in bundles to be burned up (John 14:6, Matt. 13:30) in the AD 70 "furnace of fire" (Matt. 13:42) in Jerusalem.  They "withered away", just as the fig tree dried up from the roots in Christ's example (Mark 11:14, 20-21).

LaSpino3, the only reason I am particularly emphasizing this 490-year prophecy part of your post is that so much of your line of reasoning is founded on a presumed "stopped clock", making the last, 70th week of prophecy to project out into our future.  Paul's teaching that began going to the Gentiles after his temple vision and commission from the Lord contradicts this supposed "gap" in the 490 years.  Paul said it was "necessary" to take the gospel FIRST to the Jews (Acts 3:26, 13:46), just as Christ Himself said He was sent only to "the lost sheep of the house of Israel" at that period of time of His ministry on earth (Matt. 15:24).  It was "necessary" because those last 7 years of presenting the New Covenant to the Jews from AD 30-37 were needed to fulfill the last 70th week of "confirming the covenant with many" (Dan. 9:27) of the Jews FIRST (Acts 3:26, 13:46), before the masses of Gentiles began to heed the same message and join the "one fold and one shepherd" (John 10:16).

I can appreciate the effort it has taken you to do all your calculations, LaSpino3, but don't you think God had a bit of a simpler design in mind that wouldn't take such exhausting and inventive twists and turns to figure it out?  If God's usual practice is to hide things from the "wise and prudent" and to "reveal them unto babes" instead, wouldn't that simplicity also be true of prophecy as well?

It's understandable why you are voicing a certain amount of urgency in your posts, given the imminence of the dates you are proposing.  After some equally intensive hours of study similar to your own, I, too, see an approaching transition in the near future (for the end of the 6th millennium in 2033, as I see it), but not with the same outcomes that you are proposing, or with any of the type of perceived threats that you anticipate happening.  We have God's repeated promises of incremental expansion for His kingdom in this world (the growing rock, expanding leaven, growth of the mustard seed, the gates of hell not withstanding the growth of the church, etc.), and I am determined to believe and stand on those promises, regardless of current world affairs.

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« Reply #2 on: Wed Oct 18, 2017 - 14:19:48 »
3 Resurrections: Thanks for your reply, and I understand your concerns. I like you, enjoy study, and like you, I don't agree with everything I read. I suppose my big problem is, I've learned to check out everything I read, especially concerning God's word, and have this great big imagination that continually asks questions and then sets out to find the answer.  I'm a real stinker for details. What I post, I am never so dogmatic about any subject that I would close the door on any further understanding of that subject.

Concerning Ussher and 10/23 4004 B.C. you may be correct, or NOT! BUT, we do need a start point. So who is it we are to agree with? Is it Joe who said 4000 B.C. or Sam who claims its 3800 B.C.  I have decided that Ussher's date appears to be the most reasonable and has been supported by men like Lightfoot and many others. I am sure of this one thing, God did not include the chronology of men in scripture to fill space. 

Now concerning the 30 years of stoppage; one of several reasons I believe the clock stopped is because, if the Jews would have received the Lord Jesus during his earthly ministry as their promised Messiah, you and I would not be having this conversation now. It would not have been necessary for any part of the N.T. to have  been published, or for Paul ministry. The Kingdom would have come in, the Temple established etc., etc.

But they rejected him, so here we are today. Another reason,

Joshua 10:12, "Then Joshua spoke to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou Moon, in the valley of Ajalon. And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed until the people had avenged themselves ---."

Question, during this period when the sun and moon stood still, did time cease for that 24 hour period? Your guess is as good as mine. I say yes, time ceased to exist for 24 hours. If I am correct, than, I am going to assume that the Lord can stop his countdown of 6000 years when he decided to live and walk among men. The only other time he walked with men was in the Garden of Eden. Man was living in the 7th day of God's rest, and because of that, there was no need of a countdown or time. Well anyway, that's my case.

Phil 

 

     
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