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Re: America will burn
« Reply #35 on: Fri Mar 17, 2017 - 09:32:31 »
It isn't just America that will burn up. Read the underlined part of each prophecy to learn that everything on earth will be burned up on the day of the Lord's wrath.
You need to read reply #'s 3,5~I have never said the Babylon is America, so I have no idea what you are speaking about.

That was my fault. I wasn't replying to your post. I forgot to quote instead of reply to the OP that was talking about America in the prophecy which is not true at all.

I totally understand what "Babylon" is in the prophecies of Revelation and that it will all be destroyed on the day of the Lord in one hour.
No problem, carry on. RB

I was reading your notes from your past writings about Babylon the great. Here's what you wrote;

"ANYONE who uses "EXTRA BIBLICAL" sources as a means to teach who Mystery Babylon is, is deceiving you. If they cannot use ONLY the word of God to prove their teaching, then they are using sleight and cunning craftiness that cannot stand up against the scriptures of truth."

Did you know that none of the prophets, apostles or saints got their knowledge from reading scriptures?

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Re: America will burn
« Reply #36 on: Fri Mar 17, 2017 - 11:47:32 »
It isn't just America that will burn up. Read the underlined part of each prophecy to learn that everything on earth will be burned up on the day of the Lord's wrath.

It seems you are trying to apply the O.T. to America.
I've been studying religion, with an emphasis on Christianity for over 30 years.
MOST Bible readers are not STUDYING the Bible.
For instance "spare the rod and spoil the child" does NOT imply hitting kids.
Get it?
"an eye for an eye" does not mean to take revenge.


Think God will "burn up" this earth?
Read:
"One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever." (Eccl 1:4 KJV)

"Bless the Lord, O my soul. O Lord my God ... Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever." (Ps 104:1, 5 KJV)

"For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited …" (Isa 45:18 KJV)

As I said; after 30 + years of STUDYING the Bible I've concluded most people who merely
read it don't get it.
Yes I'm educated holding two degrees.
The second degree came from Geneva University a Christian university.
Our first text book?

A N.I.V. study Bible and we wrote dozens of 100+ pages of essays on Biblical verses
and meaning.

More important that meaning is HOW the Bible makes meaning.

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Re: America will burn
« Reply #37 on: Fri Mar 17, 2017 - 12:03:13 »
It isn't just America that will burn up. Read the underlined part of each prophecy to learn that everything on earth will be burned up on the day of the Lord's wrath.

It seems you are trying to apply the O.T. to America.
I've been studying religion, with an emphasis on Christianity for over 30 years.
MOST Bible readers are not STUDYING the Bible.
For instance "spare the rod and spoil the child" does NOT imply hitting kids.
Get it?
"an eye for an eye" does not mean to take revenge.


Think God will "burn up" this earth?
Read:
"One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever." (Eccl 1:4 KJV)

"Bless the Lord, O my soul. O Lord my God ... Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever." (Ps 104:1, 5 KJV)

"For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited …" (Isa 45:18 KJV)

As I said; after 30 + years of STUDYING the Bible I've concluded most people who merely
read it don't get it.
Yes I'm educated holding two degrees.
The second degree came from Geneva University a Christian university.
Our first text book?

A N.I.V. study Bible and we wrote dozens of 100+ pages of essays on Biblical verses
and meaning.

More important that meaning is HOW the Bible makes meaning.

All that studying, yet you do not know why the beast was created to help understand what the tree of life is. Without listening to the voice of God and obeying his commandments, it's impossible to obtain the knowledge of Christ which is necessary to learn what the beast is.

Revelation 3:
20: Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if any one hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me.

Most people study the scriptures without ever hearing the voice of God. That's why there are millions of different Christian groups all believing their interpretations are the correct ones.

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Re: America will burn
« Reply #38 on: Sat Mar 18, 2017 - 04:02:27 »
Did you know that none of the prophets, apostles or saints got their knowledge from reading scriptures?
I did not know that~here's what I DO know:
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Daniel 9:2~"In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem."
Here is where Daniel got his understanding concerning 70 years of prophecy that is so famous even in our days:
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Jeremiah 29:11~"For thus saith the LORD, That after seventy years be accomplished at Babylon I will visit you, and perform my good word toward you, in causing you to return to this place."
Any spiritual truth MUST be learned from God's word, period. God took Jeremiah's teaching and expounded its truth to Daniel, who, in turn, added more truth to Jeremiah's prophecy to that we could understand the truth concerning Mystery Babylon, which Babylon of old was a type of.

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Re: America will burn
« Reply #39 on: Sat Mar 18, 2017 - 04:09:17 »
Did you know that none of the prophets, apostles or saints got their knowledge from reading scriptures?
I did not know that~here's what I DO know:
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Daniel 9:2~"In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem."
Here is where Daniel got his understanding concerning 70 years of prophecy that is so famous even in our days:
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Jeremiah 29:11~"For thus saith the LORD, That after seventy years be accomplished at Babylon I will visit you, and perform my good word toward you, in causing you to return to this place."
Any spiritual truth MUST be learned from God's word, period. God took Jeremiah's teaching and expounded its truth to Daniel, who, in turn, added more truth to Jeremiah's prophecy to that we could understand the truth concerning Mystery Babylon, which Babylon of old was a type of.

It's impossible to understand the "70 weeks" prophecy written by the prophet Daniel unless you're chosen as a servant of God during this 1,000 year reign of Christ and testify on behalf of the Holy Spirit of God.

The "mystery Babylon" is everything that man experienced in this world that came from Satan and the Beast. On the day of the Lord, everything on earth will be destroyed and melted into "the lake of fire". Once the earth begins to shake violently, it will only take one hour to kill all the flesh of man born of Satan and everything else that man experienced on earth.

No one has ever learned the future by reading the Bible. It can only be revealed by God through the testimonies of his servants.

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Re: America will burn
« Reply #40 on: Sat Mar 18, 2017 - 04:27:46 »
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WHY IS BABYLON CALLED A MYSTERY?
Let us look into God's pure word and consider what is MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT.

MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, is what the name declares: A "MYSTERY".........A Mystery in the Bible could be defined simply as A truth that is hidden in the scriptures by the Holy Spirit, that can ONLY be understood by DIVINE REVELATION.
Quote
Ephesians 3:3-5~"How that by REVELATION he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote in a few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now REVEALED unto his holy apostles and prophets BY THE SPIRIT;"
Every doctrine CONCEALED in the Old Testament, CAN find scriptures in the New Testament to help a child of God understand the doctrine he is considering; and he CAN do this by the Holy Spirit which is in him. Any outside help would be gifted men used by the Holy Spirit. But they must use only the word of God to help another saint or they cannot help them, but will ONLY corrupt them and will be used by the devil to lead the saints into error.
Quote
Colossians 1:26-27~ "Even the mystery (there are a few of them revealed in the New Testament) which hath been HID from ages and from generations, but IS NOW made MANIFEST TO HIS SAINTS: to WHOM GOD WOULD MAKE KNOWN..."
It is Only revealed by the Spirit, using the scriptures of the prophets.
Quote
Romans 16:25-26~"Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept SECRET SINCE the world began, But now is manifest, AND BY THE SCRIPTURES OF THE PROPHETS, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith"
Divine revelation comes through the scriptures and by the SPIRIT; NOT history books! Not the scriptures AND help from history! The rulers and leaders of the New Testament Jerusalem would do well to heed this exhortation, but we do not expect this to happen.

THE ORIGIN OF NAME BABYLON~We will not spend much time on the meaning of the name Babylon. We will not say more than what is recorded for us. We are much more concerned concerning the hidden meaning of MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT. We are ONLY concerned how the Holy Ghost used it.
 
In Genesis 11:1-9 we have a very brief record of the origin and the meaning of the name Babylon. The land of Shinar where the children of the earth started to build the city of Babel is the same place as the ancient city of Babylon that is mention many times from 2Kings to the book of Zechariah was located; (Daniel 1:2). It is mentioned nearly three hundred times. That is twice as much as Zion is mentioned, the city of God! This does not give light on the meaning of Babylon as it is used by God to hide a mystery within His word. But, it does show us of the importance of the word Babylon.  As we read Genesis 11:1-9, we see that these men ........ (The Holy Spirit does not give us a name for them! The Spirit refers to them as "THEY"!) These men wanted to MAKE them a NAME, but they left off building the city, WITHOUT making for themselves a NAME! Not only did they leave off and came short of their purposes of building themselves this great city, they left CONFOUNDED!)

    ........WITHOUT any thoughts toward the God of heaven, but had so much thoughts about their persons and pleasures. They were very knowledgeable as far as this world's wisdom goes:
".......And now nothing will be restrained from them, which they imagined to do." Genesis 11:6. (Sounds like our days?)

They IMAGINED great works for themselves, to honour themselves for their great works, which they imagined to do. In the plains of the land of Shinar, there we see men, laboring to live in this world, without any knowledge of the God who created all things, including them. They had high thoughts about themselves, BUT THERE did the ALMIGHTY confound them and proved that he alone rules over all and those who exalt themselves, he is able to bring them down, and leave them in total ignorance of the most important thing and that has the highest value and for their best interest: the fear of God and knowledge of that Glorious Creator of all things; that are in heaven, in the earth and under the earth; visible and invisible; things past, present and things yet to be.

This great work that God did by confounding them, did not cause them to seek him, or even cause them to mention the name of God. They just left off and were scattered upon the face of ALL the earth; And there are they still laboring to make for themselves a great name. We will see their children in the book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ, who is the express image of that Glorious Creator of heaven and earth.

Genesis 11:9 is the second mention of the word Babel, from which the word Babylon comes from. Its meaning is recorded for us it Genesis 11:9; Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the Lord did there CONFOUND the language of all the earth:........"

They THOUGHT they were wise, BUT they were VERY CONFUSED about HOW to be wise! There are a few things that we should ponder in Genesis 10 and 11 before moving on.

What amazes me is this: First, this scattering/dividing of the children of men took place in the days of Peleg.  "And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided;" .......This is NOT speaking of a CATASTROPHIC event; whereby, the LAND ITSELF was divided. This thinking does not go with the flow of events in Genesis 10 and 11. The ONLY thing that Moses mentions from the statement found in Genesis 10:25 is what we read in Genesis 11:1-9! That is: the dividing of the LANGUAGE among the children of men. This is not too deep, but there are many who LOVE the literal sense in everything they read in the scriptures and CANNOT think in any other sense, so they have a catastrophic event taking place that they CANNOT prove nor could it take place, without God creating a new heaven and a new earth.

We do have his promise that he will turn to us a pure language in that day.
Quote
Zephaniah 3:9~"For THEN (after the earth is devoured with the FIRE of his jealousy, verse8) will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent."
It was divided in this sense: men were scattered upon the FACE OF THE EARTH, all of them having different languages to take with them. Second: This may have happened with NOAH STILL LIVING or at least shortly afterward.
 
Follow me: Shem had Arphaxad two years after the flood; Arphaxad had Salah; Thirty seven after the flood (Luke said Cainan, Luke 3:36, but this is a different study for another time) Salah had Eber; Sixty seven years after the flood; Eber had Peleg, One hundred and one years after the flood. Noah lived after the flood Three hundred and fifty years; Noah lived after Peleg was born, another two hundred and fifty one years! Peleg lived after Noah, one hundred and eighty nine years.
 
Maybe Genesis 11:1-9 happened after Noah’s death, it really does not matter, BUT, this does: Men SO SOON forgot the FLOOD! I would think that the ark was STILL there to witness to them and against them! When we read Genesis 11, we wonder with amazement that the earth was full of reprobates, SO SOON! WHY (we know why) cannot the "FREE WILL" preachers see that apart from the POWER of God's Spirit, NO MAN WOULD EVER COME TO HIM! When the Almighty leaves men to themselves, they would NEVER seek God; they would NEVER have ONE thought toward heaven; They would LOOK to THEMSELVES as a MIGHTY HUNTER before the LORD; mighty in THIS or mighty in THAT, and NO ONE is as mighty as ME, would be their inward thoughts! Not even "that God" who thinks that he is Almighty, by sending a flood to cover the earth! Their inward thoughts were, WHO is the LORD that I should obey Him?
 
This is what we take from those two chapters, that helps us to understand our subject as we work our way through the Bible. This is where we FIRST hear of BABEL/BABYLON! From Genesis 10 and 11, and we learned the Holy Ghost's definition of the word Babylon, and it simply means~ CONFUSION.  We shall (the Lord willing) see that this perfectly describes ALL MEN who have ever lived in this world, and who are, and who yet shall live in this world WITHOUT God; by that statement, we mean, who lived without fearing, loving and submitting themselves to the very God who created the world and all things therein, including them; and giving Him glory for ALL things that they enjoy in HIS WORLD.

All one needs to do, is to read their works, listen to their words, and consider their life and then you can see and understand that they are very CONFUSED. Whether they are religious or neutral or hate religion, if they are living their life according to the wisdom that is in their heart and not according to the TRUE WISDOM found ONLY in word of God, then a spiritual man/woman can see just how confused those folk are. There are multitudes in and out of religion that are of the great city of "SPIRITUAL BABYLON"!

The truth is: there are only TWO CITIES on this planet called earth;........ We know that there are many literal earthy cites, but there are only TWO in a TRUE spiritual sense. One is Babylon........ In Babylon, that GREAT CITY; you will find a king that is over them, and his spirit works in them; his name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. He is THE angel of the bottomless pit. He is the prince and the power of the air, in this Babylon. This king was, and is not, and yet is. This king's kingdom shall be destroyed with violence, and shall be found no more at all. The king shall go into eternal perdition, into the lake of fire, prepared for him and his angels. All of the great city of Babylon, those who make up this great city of Babylon will be cast into the lake of fire with them.

The other is Zion......In Zion, they too have a king over them. His name is: Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The prince of peace. His kingdom shall have NO END! Those who are part of THIS CITY, are called, faithful, and chosen! They shall live forever with God, and shall look upon his face; the citizens of this city know him as JESUS CHRIST the Lord, king of kings, Lord of lords. They shall inherit all things; a new heaven and earth. The first heaven and earth were corrupted by its king and his children; but the mighty God of Zion shall destroyed their Babylon and its king!
 
Let us now search the scriptures and see from them what they teach us concerning: MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT....  I may not make every verse fit perfectly, but there will be so much of the picture put together, that it will be impossible to deny the truth of what we will be teaching from this paper. I will not claim perfection but will claim TRUTH of that, which we will be presenting.
 
Search the writings of the prophets in the Old Testament, and read them very carefully and you must confess, if you are honest with God's word, that the word Babylon when used by the prophets, was NOT always speaking of the literal ancient city that took Judah captive, during the days of Jeremiah the prophet. Let us look at the scriptures of the prophets and see if we can determine what the Spirit of God meant when he was teaching us through holy men of God, who spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.



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Re: America will burn
« Reply #41 on: Sat Mar 18, 2017 - 04:40:57 »
Quote
WHY IS BABYLON CALLED A MYSTERY?
Let us look into God's pure word and consider what is MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT.

MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, is what the name declares: A "MYSTERY".........A Mystery in the Bible could be defined simply as A truth that is hidden in the scriptures by the Holy Spirit, that can ONLY be understood by DIVINE REVELATION.
Quote
Ephesians 3:3-5~"How that by REVELATION he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote in a few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now REVEALED unto his holy apostles and prophets BY THE SPIRIT;"
Every doctrine CONCEALED in the Old Testament, CAN find scriptures in the New Testament to help a child of God understand the doctrine he is considering; and he CAN do this by the Holy Spirit which is in him. Any outside help would be gifted men used by the Holy Spirit. But they must use only the word of God to help another saint or they cannot help them, but will ONLY corrupt them and will be used by the devil to lead the saints into error.
Quote
Colossians 1:26-27~ "Even the mystery (there are a few of them revealed in the New Testament) which hath been HID from ages and from generations, but IS NOW made MANIFEST TO HIS SAINTS: to WHOM GOD WOULD MAKE KNOWN..."
It is Only revealed by the Spirit, using the scriptures of the prophets.
Quote
Romans 16:25-26~"Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept SECRET SINCE the world began, But now is manifest, AND BY THE SCRIPTURES OF THE PROPHETS, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith"
Divine revelation comes through the scriptures and by the SPIRIT; NOT history books! Not the scriptures AND help from history! The rulers and leaders of the New Testament Jerusalem would do well to heed this exhortation, but we do not expect this to happen.

THE ORIGIN OF NAME BABYLON~We will not spend much time on the meaning of the name Babylon. We will not say more than what is recorded for us. We are much more concerned concerning the hidden meaning of MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT. We are ONLY concerned how the Holy Ghost used it.
 
In Genesis 11:1-9 we have a very brief record of the origin and the meaning of the name Babylon. The land of Shinar where the children of the earth started to build the city of Babel is the same place as the ancient city of Babylon that is mention many times from 2Kings to the book of Zechariah was located; (Daniel 1:2). It is mentioned nearly three hundred times. That is twice as much as Zion is mentioned, the city of God! This does not give light on the meaning of Babylon as it is used by God to hide a mystery within His word. But, it does show us of the importance of the word Babylon.  As we read Genesis 11:1-9, we see that these men ........ (The Holy Spirit does not give us a name for them! The Spirit refers to them as "THEY"!) These men wanted to MAKE them a NAME, but they left off building the city, WITHOUT making for themselves a NAME! Not only did they leave off and came short of their purposes of building themselves this great city, they left CONFOUNDED!)

    ........WITHOUT any thoughts toward the God of heaven, but had so much thoughts about their persons and pleasures. They were very knowledgeable as far as this world's wisdom goes:
".......And now nothing will be restrained from them, which they imagined to do." Genesis 11:6. (Sounds like our days?)

They IMAGINED great works for themselves, to honour themselves for their great works, which they imagined to do. In the plains of the land of Shinar, there we see men, laboring to live in this world, without any knowledge of the God who created all things, including them. They had high thoughts about themselves, BUT THERE did the ALMIGHTY confound them and proved that he alone rules over all and those who exalt themselves, he is able to bring them down, and leave them in total ignorance of the most important thing and that has the highest value and for their best interest: the fear of God and knowledge of that Glorious Creator of all things; that are in heaven, in the earth and under the earth; visible and invisible; things past, present and things yet to be.

This great work that God did by confounding them, did not cause them to seek him, or even cause them to mention the name of God. They just left off and were scattered upon the face of ALL the earth; And there are they still laboring to make for themselves a great name. We will see their children in the book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ, who is the express image of that Glorious Creator of heaven and earth.

Genesis 11:9 is the second mention of the word Babel, from which the word Babylon comes from. Its meaning is recorded for us it Genesis 11:9; Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the Lord did there CONFOUND the language of all the earth:........"

They THOUGHT they were wise, BUT they were VERY CONFUSED about HOW to be wise! There are a few things that we should ponder in Genesis 10 and 11 before moving on.

What amazes me is this: First, this scattering/dividing of the children of men took place in the days of Peleg.  "And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided;" .......This is NOT speaking of a CATASTROPHIC event; whereby, the LAND ITSELF was divided. This thinking does not go with the flow of events in Genesis 10 and 11. The ONLY thing that Moses mentions from the statement found in Genesis 10:25 is what we read in Genesis 11:1-9! That is: the dividing of the LANGUAGE among the children of men. This is not too deep, but there are many who LOVE the literal sense in everything they read in the scriptures and CANNOT think in any other sense, so they have a catastrophic event taking place that they CANNOT prove nor could it take place, without God creating a new heaven and a new earth.

We do have his promise that he will turn to us a pure language in that day.
Quote
Zephaniah 3:9~"For THEN (after the earth is devoured with the FIRE of his jealousy, verse8) will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent."
It was divided in this sense: men were scattered upon the FACE OF THE EARTH, all of them having different languages to take with them. Second: This may have happened with NOAH STILL LIVING or at least shortly afterward.
 
Follow me: Shem had Arphaxad two years after the flood; Arphaxad had Salah; Thirty seven after the flood (Luke said Cainan, Luke 3:36, but this is a different study for another time) Salah had Eber; Sixty seven years after the flood; Eber had Peleg, One hundred and one years after the flood. Noah lived after the flood Three hundred and fifty years; Noah lived after Peleg was born, another two hundred and fifty one years! Peleg lived after Noah, one hundred and eighty nine years.
 
Maybe Genesis 11:1-9 happened after Noah’s death, it really does not matter, BUT, this does: Men SO SOON forgot the FLOOD! I would think that the ark was STILL there to witness to them and against them! When we read Genesis 11, we wonder with amazement that the earth was full of reprobates, SO SOON! WHY (we know why) cannot the "FREE WILL" preachers see that apart from the POWER of God's Spirit, NO MAN WOULD EVER COME TO HIM! When the Almighty leaves men to themselves, they would NEVER seek God; they would NEVER have ONE thought toward heaven; They would LOOK to THEMSELVES as a MIGHTY HUNTER before the LORD; mighty in THIS or mighty in THAT, and NO ONE is as mighty as ME, would be their inward thoughts! Not even "that God" who thinks that he is Almighty, by sending a flood to cover the earth! Their inward thoughts were, WHO is the LORD that I should obey Him?
 
This is what we take from those two chapters, that helps us to understand our subject as we work our way through the Bible. This is where we FIRST hear of BABEL/BABYLON! From Genesis 10 and 11, and we learned the Holy Ghost's definition of the word Babylon, and it simply means~ CONFUSION.  We shall (the Lord willing) see that this perfectly describes ALL MEN who have ever lived in this world, and who are, and who yet shall live in this world WITHOUT God; by that statement, we mean, who lived without fearing, loving and submitting themselves to the very God who created the world and all things therein, including them; and giving Him glory for ALL things that they enjoy in HIS WORLD.

All one needs to do, is to read their works, listen to their words, and consider their life and then you can see and understand that they are very CONFUSED. Whether they are religious or neutral or hate religion, if they are living their life according to the wisdom that is in their heart and not according to the TRUE WISDOM found ONLY in word of God, then a spiritual man/woman can see just how confused those folk are. There are multitudes in and out of religion that are of the great city of "SPIRITUAL BABYLON"!

The truth is: there are only TWO CITIES on this planet called earth;........ We know that there are many literal earthy cites, but there are only TWO in a TRUE spiritual sense. One is Babylon........ In Babylon, that GREAT CITY; you will find a king that is over them, and his spirit works in them; his name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. He is THE angel of the bottomless pit. He is the prince and the power of the air, in this Babylon. This king was, and is not, and yet is. This king's kingdom shall be destroyed with violence, and shall be found no more at all. The king shall go into eternal perdition, into the lake of fire, prepared for him and his angels. All of the great city of Babylon, those who make up this great city of Babylon will be cast into the lake of fire with them.

The other is Zion......In Zion, they too have a king over them. His name is: Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The prince of peace. His kingdom shall have NO END! Those who are part of THIS CITY, are called, faithful, and chosen! They shall live forever with God, and shall look upon his face; the citizens of this city know him as JESUS CHRIST the Lord, king of kings, Lord of lords. They shall inherit all things; a new heaven and earth. The first heaven and earth were corrupted by its king and his children; but the mighty God of Zion shall destroyed their Babylon and its king!
 
Let us now search the scriptures and see from them what they teach us concerning: MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT....  I may not make every verse fit perfectly, but there will be so much of the picture put together, that it will be impossible to deny the truth of what we will be teaching from this paper. I will not claim perfection but will claim TRUTH of that, which we will be presenting.
 
Search the writings of the prophets in the Old Testament, and read them very carefully and you must confess, if you are honest with God's word, that the word Babylon when used by the prophets, was NOT always speaking of the literal ancient city that took Judah captive, during the days of Jeremiah the prophet. Let us look at the scriptures of the prophets and see if we can determine what the Spirit of God meant when he was teaching us through holy men of God, who spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

All these words came from your own interpretations or those you copied from another false prophet who has never heard the voice of God. Only those who listen to the voice of God and obey ALL his commandments will be used to testify on his behalf and learn what the Truth is.

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Re: America will burn
« Reply #42 on: Sat Mar 18, 2017 - 06:39:14 »
All these words came from your own interpretations or those you copied from another false prophet who has never heard the voice of God. Only those who listen to the voice of God and obey ALL his commandments will be used to testify on his behalf and learn what the Truth is.
I copied from no one~every single word are mine. Well, Mr. Prpphet, you have a right to testify what you believe is the truth, and let other test it with the scriptures, or do not post. If you are going to tell me I'm a false prophet, then prove it with the scriptures, and if you cannot, then sit back and stop making such claims as you just did and let those who have truth speak. Fair enough?

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Re: America will burn
« Reply #43 on: Sat Mar 18, 2017 - 12:54:35 »
All these words came from your own interpretations or those you copied from another false prophet who has never heard the voice of God. Only those who listen to the voice of God and obey ALL his commandments will be used to testify on his behalf and learn what the Truth is.
I copied from no one~every single word are mine. Well, Mr. Prpphet, you have a right to testify what you believe is the truth, and let other test it with the scriptures, or do not post. If you are going to tell me I'm a false prophet, then prove it with the scriptures, and if you cannot, then sit back and stop making such claims as you just did and let those who have truth speak. Fair enough?

If you're not a false prophet, then you should be able to answer all these questions;

1. What did God's voice sound like after he finished a session with you of confessing your sins?

2. How many years did it take God to get you ready to start testifying to the words he formed in your mind?

3. When did the millennium reign of Christ ( 1,000 year reign of Christ ) begin and when did it end?

4. What was revealed during the millennium reign of Christ?

5. How many years did you have to testify to the knowledge of Christ in written form before God had you start speaking for Him?

6. Where did He send you to preach the gospel and how long did you have to remain in the streets until all His chosen believers heard the gospel?

7. How exactly are we created?

8. What exactly is the Tree of Life?

Revelation 2
7: He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who conquers I will grant to eat of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.'



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Re: America will burn
« Reply #44 on: Sat Mar 18, 2017 - 15:26:18 »
All these words came from your own interpretations or those you copied from another false prophet who has never heard the voice of God. Only those who listen to the voice of God and obey ALL his commandments will be used to testify on his behalf and learn what the Truth is.
I copied from no one~every single word are mine. Well, Mr. Prpphet, you have a right to testify what you believe is the truth, and let other test it with the scriptures, or do not post. If you are going to tell me I'm a false prophet, then prove it with the scriptures, and if you cannot, then sit back and stop making such claims as you just did and let those who have truth speak. Fair enough?

If you're not a false prophet, then you should be able to answer all these questions;

1. What did God's voice sound like after he finished a session with you of confessing your sins?

2. How many years did it take God to get you ready to start testifying to the words he formed in your mind?

3. When did the millennium reign of Christ ( 1,000 year reign of Christ ) begin and when did it end?

4. What was revealed during the millennium reign of Christ?

5. How many years did you have to testify to the knowledge of Christ in written form before God had you start speaking for Him?

6. Where did He send you to preach the gospel and how long did you have to remain in the streets until all His chosen believers heard the gospel?

7. How exactly are we created?

8. What exactly is the Tree of Life?

Revelation 2
7: He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who conquers I will grant to eat of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.'

All I had to do was read your question number one and I knew you were mixed up and are proclaiming some cult-like belief that is not based in Scripture.   You need to be able to answer these questions:

1.  Who is Jesus Christ?

2.  What did He accomplish on the cross?

3.  Why did He have to do what He did?   

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Re: America will burn
« Reply #45 on: Sat Mar 18, 2017 - 15:38:42 »
All these words came from your own interpretations or those you copied from another false prophet who has never heard the voice of God. Only those who listen to the voice of God and obey ALL his commandments will be used to testify on his behalf and learn what the Truth is.
I copied from no one~every single word are mine. Well, Mr. Prpphet, you have a right to testify what you believe is the truth, and let other test it with the scriptures, or do not post. If you are going to tell me I'm a false prophet, then prove it with the scriptures, and if you cannot, then sit back and stop making such claims as you just did and let those who have truth speak. Fair enough?

If you're not a false prophet, then you should be able to answer all these questions;

1. What did God's voice sound like after he finished a session with you of confessing your sins?

2. How many years did it take God to get you ready to start testifying to the words he formed in your mind?

3. When did the millennium reign of Christ ( 1,000 year reign of Christ ) begin and when did it end?

4. What was revealed during the millennium reign of Christ?

5. How many years did you have to testify to the knowledge of Christ in written form before God had you start speaking for Him?

6. Where did He send you to preach the gospel and how long did you have to remain in the streets until all His chosen believers heard the gospel?

7. How exactly are we created?

8. What exactly is the Tree of Life?

Revelation 2
7: He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who conquers I will grant to eat of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.'

All I had to do was read your question number one and I knew you were mixed up and are proclaiming some cult-like belief that is not based in Scripture.   You need to be able to answer these questions:

1.  Who is Jesus Christ?

2.  What did He accomplish on the cross?

3.  Why did He have to do what He did?   

If you could have answered all my questions, then you wouldn't have to ask your silly questions that are obvious to anyone who reads the New Testament without being spiritually reborn.

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Re: America will burn
« Reply #46 on: Sun Mar 19, 2017 - 07:31:54 »
If you could have answered all my questions, then you wouldn't have to ask your silly questions that are obvious to anyone who reads the New Testament without being spiritually reborn.
Why do you not practice what you preach? If you would attempt to post your understanding, instead of asking questions that have not one thing to do with they subject under consideration, then you would not be asking childish questions, which truly were void of one who has a teachable spirit or a person in search of truth, that one would want to understand, so that he could please God by submitting to the truth as it is in Jesus Christ.  You are showing that you are not here to contribute in a godly manner but desires only to stir up true believers. I will not waste much time responding to your post unless you show a different spirit than what you have so far displayed.
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Re: America will burn
« Reply #47 on: Sun Mar 19, 2017 - 08:04:51 »
If we want to understand OT mysteries then we must start where the prophets first use the subject under consideration and work our way through the scriptures and then make the connection with all scriptures to see the BIG SPIRITUAL PUZZLE come together before we can be totally convinced that we have the truth of the subject under our consideration. So, let us start where the scriptures do with Babylon and see its true meaning when we come to the Revelation of Jesus Christ as it was given to John the apostle. It is a beautiful progressive revelation unfolded for us by the Spirit who is our teacher and guide in coming to a true understanding.
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THE PROPHET ISAIAH AND BABYLON
ISAIAH 13...The burden of Babylon, which Isaiah the son of Amoz did see. There are many things within this chapter that will not allow one to LIMIT it to the literal city of Babylon.

First, and MOST important point that makes us look PAST the literal city of Babylon in Isaiah's day is found in verse 11..."
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"And I will punish the world for their evil, and THE WICKED for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud TO CEASE, (destroying a literal city will not cause pride to cease, but punishing the world by total destruction WILL cause pride to cease) and will lay low the naughtiness of the terrible.”
This warning is to Babylon, (verse 1) who Isaiah refers to as the world and the wicked in it. This Babylon mentioned in Isaiah 13 will never be inhabited again, (verses 19-20) We know that Babylon was still a literal place during the days of the apostles. 1Peter 5:13.
 
The overall message in Isaiah 13 is the final destruction of Babylon, whom the prophet reveals to us is the WORLD and the wicked. Whatever may be in this chapter that may allow one to try to make Babylon mean the literal city of the prophet's day, can be explained by giving the sense that the Spirit would support in other scriptures. The only one that I can see, would be the words, "the Medes;” Yes, God used that nation to defeat and over throw the literal city of Babylon, but not to the same degree as it is spoken of in this chapter. God is using that name to represent those who shall destroy Babylon in that day. The Lord Jesus and his army that follow him back to this earth, at that day.
 
ISAIAH 14....Here we find a PROVERB (The prophets in the Old Testament spoke MOST of the time in this manner) against the KING OF BABYLON. When we carefully look at this proverb and consider it with God's open word before us, then we KNOW that it is NOT speaking of any earthly king that has reigned in the literal city of Babylon. Verses 12-15 should remove any questions one may have.

Also, the children of Babylon mentioned in verses 21-22, ARE NOT the literal children of ancient Babylon. We KNOW this by verses 26-27:
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"This is the purpose that is purposed upon the WHOLE EARTH: and this is the hand that is stretched out upon ALL THE NATIONS. For the LORD of host hath purposed, and who shall disannul it? and his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back?"
The king of Babylon (Lucifer!) shall become like all of the rest of those whom he has deceived. (verse 10): He shall be brought DOWN to hell. (verse 15)

ISAIAH 21: This chapter has a few proverbs within this part of Isaiah's prophecy; there is one that we will only look at and consider it when we see it again in Jeremiah 51:8 and in Revelation 14:8; 18:2
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"And, behold, here cometh a chariot of men, with a couple of horsemen. And he answer and said, Babylon is fallen, is fallen; and ALL the graven images of her gods he hath broken unto the ground."
We understand what this proverb is teaching us by others scriptures in the New Testament. WE would NOT know, without New Testament revelation from the apostle John's writings. We will consider them when we get to them. Before we finish this paper, we will give you many verses from the Old Testament, that does cover many different doctrines, and will prove to anyone who is honest with the holy scriptures, that without the New Testament, it would be IMPOSSIBLE to know what the prophets were talking about in their writings.
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ISAIAH 46:1~"Bel boweth down, Nebo stoopeth, their idols were upon the beasts, and upon the cattle: your carriages were heavy loaden; they are a burden to the weary beast."
This is a proverb by the prophet that we will incorporate when we come to others verses speaking about the idols of Babylon, that were abomination to the God of heaven, and, that was the cause of Babylon's total desolation. The Babylon in Revelation chapter 17 and the Babylon in chapter 18, are FULL of IDOLS.

  ISAIAH 47...The Prophet is very bold with his words recorded in this chapter toward one he calls: O VIRGIN daughter of BABYLON! (Verse one)  There are too many statements within these verses to even think that it could be speaking of the literal city of Babylon. The proud spirit of this Babylon in Isaiah 47, is the SAME spirit we see in Babylon of Revelation 18. Compare the two: Isaiah 47:5".....THE LADY of kingdoms.".......Isaiah 47:7..... "And thou saidst, I SHALL be a lady for EVER:"
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Isaiah 47:8~"Therefore hear now this, thou that art given TO PLEASURES, that sayest in thine heart, I AM, and NONE ELSE beside ME; I shall NOT sit as a widow, neither SHALL I know the loss of children."
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BUT (saith the Almighty) these two things SHALL come to thee in a MOMENT in ONE DAY, the loss of children, and widowhood: they SHALL come upon thee in their PERFECTION (total destruction) for the multitude of thy sorceries, and for the great abundance of thine enchantments."
Isaiah 47:9..." THIS WORLD has abundance of them, as we will see in Revelation 18! Isaiah 47:10-11..Read them carefully, please. " .......desolation shall come upon thee SUDDENLY, which thou shalt not know." "......FROM THY YOUTH" She was ONCE a virgin daughter when the most high created her, but sin entered into her; now, her wisdom and knowledge hath perverted her. The "MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT" has been in the world since the garden of Eden......FROM THY YOUTH! Isaiah 47:14-15.."Behold, they (the multitude of counsels in Babylon-v13) shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them. they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it. Thus shall they be unto thee with whom thou hast laboured, even thy MERCHANTS, from thy youth: they shall WANDER every one to his quarter; NONE SHALL SAVE THEE." We will see more in Revelation 18 that Isaiah and John spoke of the very SAME Babylon.

Isaiah 48....There are a few short proverbs that cover a few things in this chapter. Babylon is mentioned in two of them by it’s name and in others by their deeds.  Isaiah 48:14.."....he will do his pleasure on Babylon, and his arm shall be on the Chaldeans."  The only Babylon that is on the prophet's thoughts would be: the Babylon that is this world and the things that are in the world. I know that by what is in verse 20: "Go ye FORTH of Babylon, FLEE ye from the Chaldeans........." This SAME command is found in Revelation 18:4; which we will consider later when we arrive there. The New Testament USE OF the word....... (without which, we would not know) ..... tells us HOW we SHOULD UNDERSTAND the sense of the word Babylon, as the Spirit used the word many times over in the old Testament. We DO NOT speculate or use "Extra Biblical" help to try to figure the meaning of MYSTERY BABYLON and leaving our hearers AT OUR MERCY. We want to leave them trusting ONLY the scriptures for truth, not our knowledge of things outside of the scriptures of TRUTH. Most of that in this world that is outside of the scriptures will perish with this world at that day; will perish as useless, corrupt materials; BUT, the word of God will endure for ever. It must, because it is the truth, and truth cannot be destroyed.

WHOM shall a child of God trust: the man that puts on a good show and removes ALL warnings of God's judgments from their followers? or the man who said: As the LORD liveth, WHAT the LORD saith unto to me, THAT WILL I SPEAK! 2Kings 22:7-28......."Hear thou therefore the WORD OF THE LORD." (verse 19)

Ye be the judge, using only the Bible, and not your emotions, OR your place in the synagogue! John 9:22; 12:42 OR, any other thing that may cause you to go against the truth. ONE DAY, it will be ONLY you and the Lord Jesus Christ looking eye to eye; I can promise you that you  would love to have this day back again, to do it HIS WAY and NOT your way. WHOM shall we follow? As for me and my house, we shall follow ONLY the scriptures! And those men and women who follow ONLY the word of God.

Next Jeremiah's use of the word Babylon.............

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Re: America will burn
« Reply #48 on: Wed Mar 22, 2017 - 16:13:10 »
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“It still means the exact same thing.
It is saying Jesus is a failure.
It is a lie.”

It does not mean that Jesus is a failure. It means we failed. Look at what is happening with Muslims. I have been watching testimonies on YouTube of Muslims who are converting to Christ. These people are reporting seeing and speaking to Christ when this happens to them. I think that is happening right now because Christ knows what times we are in and is willing to go to whatever lengths He can to reach these people. We consider our country (predominantly anyway) to be a “Christian” nation and yet many people who identify as Christian, support a man who wants to ban all Muslims. This does a disservice to Christ. He wants Christians to reach out to them and help guide them to Him. He wants us to give them shelter because they often come here to get away from the instability of the Middle East and we want to turn them away. Aside from the fact that Jesus taught us to love and care for one another and in this ban, we aren’t doing that, the Muslims who are on the fence about Christ look at us and see hypocrisy in our faith. This turns more Muslims away from Christ. That is our failure. You cannot be Christian and say “Ban all Muslims.”, “Build a wall” to keep poor and desperate people out. That is NOT Christian. That is what is our failure. And when I say “the times we are in”, I mean, we are in the beginning of the Tribulation right now. There is no more “one day” left. It has already begun.


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“Jesus returns at the last day.”

Jesus returns to defeat the Antichrist and rules the earth for 1,000 years. He comes back at the end of the Tribulation. He ends it himself.

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“The lost face final destruction.
Heavens & earth are destroyed.
Those in Christ are brought to the new creation, the new heavens & new earth.”

These events happen after the 1,000 year period.

I didn’t say “I don’t believe” and that’s all. I said “I don't believe that God only reveals Himself to one sect of people on earth.” He even speaks to people that you may not like or approve of.  Please don’t take things I am saying and twist them.

I do appreciate the advice about reading the Bible. Thank you.









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Re: America will burn
« Reply #49 on: Wed Mar 22, 2017 - 16:28:14 »
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AstridK, please stick with the bible for prophecies & prophets. Move outside of the Bible & you will be easily led down a confusing path, especially by folks who say things like "God wanted a worldwide conversion thousands of years ago. God pulled out all the stops 2,000 years ago with Jesus. From God's view, that was the definitive moment in human history. And the impact of the prophets and teachers and the Messiah has been a big disappointment to God because people have by and large rejected it." which you quoted above.

I actually have been reading Bible prophecies about these things. I just didn't post about it on here. I started working on a video for YouTube about these things using Biblical prophecies but I just started it. It's difficult because I haven't ever edited an online video before so I'm learning to use the video editor as I do it. I will post the video link when I get it finished. I'm using much Bible prophecy in it.


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Re: America will burn
« Reply #50 on: Mon May 22, 2017 - 06:47:06 »
Jeremiah 5 can be transliterated with substitution of USA for Israel.   The passage lists offenses against man and God and why judgment falls.

Many like to consider America as spiritual Israel, but purposely neglect the judgments incurred by the wickedness of the ancient kingdom.   If America once had a sterling relationship with the Master of the Universe, it does so no longer.  We have become odious in the eyes of the family of nations and subject to divine exclusion from blessings.

Only hubris and the fantasy of America exclusivism holds the idea that a righteous God should continue to bless America and its offenses.   We collectively have the blood of innocent millions upon our hands and conveniently turn our eyes away from our guilt.   We have already lost a great deal of liberty, yet because it slowly leaks away from us few notice its absence.  We have already lost the respect of most nations, yet hiding in our corner of the planet we find temporary convenience in being able to hide from our guilt.

Our sins and crimes against humanity and God will find us out as certainly as the Word of God promises.   It is time to make peace with God - individually.   

and that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

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Re: America will burn
« Reply #52 on: Thu Jan 25, 2018 - 23:39:17 »
America won't burn Christ will destroy those who come against us,Esau,ie,Russia.....

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Re: America will burn
« Reply #53 on: Mon Feb 19, 2018 - 07:29:55 »
“America will burn” is a head title of an article that I read many years ago. Which was written by a pastor named Dimitru Duduman.

I also believe that Revelation chapter 18 refers to US.

Revelation 18:8 “Therefore in one day her plagues will overtake her; death, mourning and famine. She will be consumed by fire, for mighty is the Lord God who judges her.”

According to many scientists, west coast of America will encounter 9.0 magnitudes Richter scale earthquake in the coming twenty years.

Apart from that, it was mentioned in the movie <2012> that Yellow Stone is a super volcano, if it erupted a third to two third of the sky of the US will cover by volcanic ash. And within one day, Russia and China will use nuclear missile to attack the US.

I've been hearing about disaster overtaking the California coast since the mid-1960's.  Many of these predictions, including those of Hal Lindsay, predict some major earthquake.   Lindsay built an expensive home right on the San Andreas fault, by the way.   Apparently he doesn't believe his own rubbish.

That being said, there do appear to be judgments rolling out against America in general and the world in particular.   Just like predictions made by every prophet including Jesus?  hmmmmm

The nature of the judgments are not sudden overnight disasters like those portrayed in movies.   They are more akin to a pot of water being slowly brought to a boil.   People living today don't seem to realize the extent and power of these plagues and events unless they look up accounts of life in times past, such as the beginning of the 20th century.   For example, according to police records one could walk through Central Park in NYC on any night and not risk one's life.  Statistics of crimes in that city were extremely low compared to the modern day.

The nature of divine judgments upon America (and the world) seem to be following the same pattern of divine judgment that's recorded in the Old Testament.   

Israel was judged and condemned by God for its sins, yet that judgment didn't come overnight.   It didn't come suddenly until the absolute end.   Instead it began with small judgments followed by prophets who warned of God's displeasure.   God does nothing without telling us about it first.  But Israel didn't pay attention and the next series of judgments were more severe - followed by a period of peace and more preaching against sin.  Israel continued in its deafness toward God and the next series of judgments were even more severe.   

This is the pattern of divine judgment;
* preaching and prophecy against sin
* followed by judgments progressively more severe each time they happen
* followed by periods of peace that became shorter in duration each time


and so on.....   the pattern repeats itself over and over again until the most severe judgment ruins the country permanently.

We are seeing exactly that sort of pattern today - with one exception.   It's not taking hundreds of years to escalate, it's happening much more frequently and with much more severity.

The Bible says that it is possible for sinning humans to make God sad and even angry, sometimes very angry.  Considering God's historic reaction to sin, what is the reaction of humanity?

To deny the Master of the Universe,
To mock heaven itself,
To continue in flagrent disregard of the Law (10 Commandments) (*),
To deny the need and requirement for repentance and humility unto God,
To deny Jesus Christ in favor of personality cults, prosperity gospel, happy talk to fill seats, as well as political and social indifference.

Judgment is coming and nobody cares.

and that's me, hollering from the choir loft....

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Disregard for the Law is widely taught in churches.   The heresy states that the Law has somehow been destroyed and as a result we can live anyway we want. (ok to sin - that grace may abound)

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A LICENSE TO SIN.

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." - Jesus as quoted by Matt 5:17

The purpose of the Law is to convict of sin.  The purpose of grace is to forgive the sinner SO THAT the sinner may again live by the Law, which is pleasing to God.
When Jesus forgave the woman caught in adultery He told her to "go out and sin no more".  (John 8:11) Jesus did NOT tell her she could go out and open a brothel.
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