antichrist

[shilohsfoal]

There are seven heads and they are the seven hillls that Jerusalem sits upon .And there are seven kings .5 are fallen and one is and the other is not yet come ,and when he cometh ,he must continue a short space.
When John wrote of these things some 2000 years ago ,there had been 5 nations that had ruled over the nation of Israel.These were
Egypt
Assyrian
Babylon
Persia
MacedoniaThe king John wrote of that (is)was
Rome
Then came the dispora where that nation was scatterd.
The king which was to come and continue a short space was
Great Brittian in which the nation was reassembled under in the short space it ruled over Judea.
The eighth is not one of the seven but is (OF) the seven.
That nation is Israel.
Seeing that the beast's heads are seven mountains on which the woman sitteth
Scipture isnt as hard to understand if you know who it is intended for.

The ten horns upon the beast are ten Muslim countries that shall destroy Jerusalem in the end.These hate the Israeli goverment and shall destroy Jerusalem although for the time being they render Judea unto Israel untill the word of God can be forfilled.These ten goverments shall make war with Jesus at his return and he shall destroy them .

i agree with part of this , such as the first kingdoms mentioned (egypt to rome)
GB i'm not too sure about but you make a good point that they only reigned for a short space, my personal opinion has always been nazi germany as the 7th kingdom, they were very short, and they reigned over a lot of jews - far more than britain ever did, and most certainly inflicted the worst persecution ever
what takes precedence the place (jerusalem), or the people? the name jacob (israel), originally was primarily a seed line not a geographical region, and even now jews are a seed line both physically and spiritually

i have difficulty though with the 8th head being israel
this would mean that the harlot and the beast are the same entity but are clearly not

The bible doesnt say there are 8 heads.The bible says there are seven heads of the beast.
The bible says there are 8 kings.

Rev 17;10-11
And there are seven kings;five are fallen,and one is,and the other is not yet come;and when he cometh,he must continue a short space.And the beast that was,and is not,even he is the eigth,and is of the seven,and goeth into perdition.

This means that the kingdom in which John is writting of once was a kingdom before he wrote this as Israel was.It was not when he wrote this ,but it would be once more.It was ,then was not but now is.
The bible  states the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sitteth.
It also states the woman is a city.

[Eagle]

There is evidenceof Jersualem being a city of seven  hills.

[shilohsfoal]

There is evidenceof Jersualem being a city of seven  hills.

That it is.
Jerusalem is also held responsible for all the rightous blood shed upon the earth.
Mt 23;35
That upon you may come all the rightous blood shed upon the earth,from the blood of rightous Abel unto the blood of Zechariah son of Barachias,whom ye slew between the temple and the alter.


Rev 18;24
And in her was found the blood of prophets,and of saints,and of all that were slain upon the earth.


Mystery Babylon isnt so much a mystery if one serches the scripture.Jesus spoke openly and hid nothing.

[Bikelite]

lost in space.

[shilohsfoal]

lost in space.

Is that the best insult you can come up with?

[Bikelite]

Lost..is lost...I am not insulting.. lost is lost.  The Parable of the lost sheep .... Luke 15:1-10.

[shilohsfoal]

Lost..is lost...I am not insulting.. lost is lost.  The Parable of the lost sheep .... Luke 15:1-10.

If you are saying that I am lost then you are an idiot.

[rezar]

Lost..is lost...I am not insulting.. lost is lost.  The Parable of the lost sheep .... Luke 15:1-10.

If you are saying that I am lost then you are an idiot.

  you got that right!

[glen]

There are seven heads and they are the seven hillls that Jerusalem sits upon .And there are seven kings .5 are fallen and one is and the other is not yet come ,and when he cometh ,he must continue a short space.
When John wrote of these things some 2000 years ago ,there had been 5 nations that had ruled over the nation of Israel.These were
Egypt
Assyrian
Babylon
Persia
MacedoniaThe king John wrote of that (is)was
Rome
Then came the dispora where that nation was scatterd.
The king which was to come and continue a short space was
Great Brittian in which the nation was reassembled under in the short space it ruled over Judea.
The eighth is not one of the seven but is (OF) the seven.
That nation is Israel.
Seeing that the beast's heads are seven mountains on which the woman sitteth
Scipture isnt as hard to understand if you know who it is intended for.

The ten horns upon the beast are ten Muslim countries that shall destroy Jerusalem in the end.These hate the Israeli goverment and shall destroy Jerusalem although for the time being they render Judea unto Israel untill the word of God can be forfilled.These ten goverments shall make war with Jesus at his return and he shall destroy them .

i agree with part of this , such as the first kingdoms mentioned (egypt to rome)
GB i'm not too sure about but you make a good point that they only reigned for a short space, my personal opinion has always been nazi germany as the 7th kingdom, they were very short, and they reigned over a lot of jews - far more than britain ever did, and most certainly inflicted the worst persecution ever
what takes precedence the place (jerusalem), or the people? the name jacob (israel), originally was primarily a seed line not a geographical region, and even now jews are a seed line both physically and spiritually

i have difficulty though with the 8th head being israel
this would mean that the harlot and the beast are the same entity but are clearly not

The bible doesnt say there are 8 heads.The bible says there are seven heads of the beast.
The bible says there are 8 kings.

Rev 17;10-11
And there are seven kings;five are fallen,and one is,and the other is not yet come;and when he cometh,he must continue a short space.And the beast that was,and is not,even he is the eigth,and is of the seven,and goeth into perdition.

This means that the kingdom in which John is writting of once was a kingdom before he wrote this as Israel was.It was not when he wrote this ,but it would be once more.It was ,then was not but now is.
The bible  states the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sitteth.
It also states the woman is a city.

yes i know that was just an error - i meant 8th king
the thing is, how can israel be the beast and the harlot at the same time?
why would 10 muslim countries give power and authority to israel?

[glen]

There is evidenceof Jersualem being a city of seven  hills.

That it is.
Jerusalem is also held responsible for all the rightous blood shed upon the earth.
Mt 23;35
That upon you may come all the rightous blood shed upon the earth,from the blood of rightous Abel unto the blood of Zechariah son of Barachias,whom ye slew between the temple and the alter.


Rev 18;24
And in her was found the blood of prophets,and of saints,and of all that were slain upon the earth.


Mystery Babylon isnt so much a mystery if one serches the scripture.Jesus spoke openly and hid nothing.

i agree it could well be jerusalem, there could be a final time in the future when jerusalem does these things again but i don't see how israel can be the 8th beast empire/king
the beast comes to power after the harlot is destroyed
daniel indicates that it is the 4th empire rome - and islam has no similarities to rome whatsoever
i can only see it being a western empire

[shilohsfoal]

Glen
From what Ive read it does sound like the US will send an army to the middle east and even into Judea in the book of Daniel but the Harlot isnt destroyed untill the very last plague in rev 16;19.There is a (falling away) and the saints /christians or told to come out of her about 3 1/2 years before she is destroyed.In the book of Daniel the christians/saints that are in Judea are being killed.
Daniel 11;33
And they that understand among the people shall instruct many;yet they shall fall by the sword,and by flame.by captivity,and by spoil,many days.


From my studies it appears the US will go forth to destroy and utterly make away many after Jerusalem is destroyed.
After all ,the beast and the false prophet are allies.

Daniel 11;1-4
Also I in the first year of Darius the Mede,even I ,stood to confirm and to strengthen him.
And now will I show thee the truth.Behold,there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia;and the fourth shall be far richer than they all;and by his streignth through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.
And a mighty king shall stand up that shall rule with great dominion,and do according to his will.
And when he shall stand up,his kingdom shall be broken,and shall be devided toward the four winds of heaven;and not to his posterity,nor according to his dominion which he ruled;for his kingdom shall be plucked up,even for others beside those.
Daniel 11;5-6
And the king of the south shall be strong,and one of his princes;and he shall be strong above him,and have dominion;his dominion shall be a great dominion.
And in the end of years they shall join themselves together;for the kings daughter of the south shall come to the king of the north to make an agreement;but she shall not retain the power of the arm;neither shall he stand,nor his arm;but she shall be given up,and they that brought her,and he that begat her,and he that streignthend her in these times.

Perhaps Palestine ?
In early 1947 the British announced their intention to abandon the Mandate, and turn the question of the future of Palestine over to the UN. The General Assembly decided to set up the United Nations Special Committee on Palestine (UNSCOP) to investigate the cause of the conflict in Palestine, and, if possible, devise a solution.
UNSCOP, composed of representatives of 11 nations, visited Palestine and heard testimony from Zionists in Palestine and in the US. The Arabs in Palestine greeted the UNSCOP with hostility and refused to cooperate. The Arab Higher Committee boycotted the Commission but demanded that the UN immediately grant Palestine its independence.
All eleven members of UNSCOP agreed on termination of the mandate, a foregone conclusion given the position of Great Britain. Seven members endorsed a partition plan favored by the Zionists, while three members endorsed a federal state similar to the Grady Morrison plan that had been rejected by both Jews and Arabs. No members endorsed the unitary Arab state recommended by the Arab Higher Committee.
In a speech delivered on 25 March 1948, US President Truman recommended a temporary trusteeship and stated: We could not undertake to impose this solution on the people of Palestine by the use of American troops, both on Charter grounds and as a matter of national policy.[136]
First phase: 14 May 1948–11 June 1948
The British Mandate over Palestine was due to expire on 15 May, but Jewish Leadership led by Ben-Gurion declared independence on 14 May. The State of Israel declared itself as an independent nation, and was quickly recognized by the United States, Iran, the Soviet Union, and many other countries.
Over the next few days, approximately 1,000 Lebanese, 5,000 Syrian, 5,000 Iraqi, and 10,000 Egyptian troops invaded the newly-established state. Four thousand Jordanian troops invaded the Corpus separatum region encompassing Jerusalem and its environs, as well as areas designated as part of the Arab state by the UN partition plan. They were aided by corps of volunteers from Saudi Arabia, Libya and Yemen.

Daniel11;7-8
But out of her roots shall one (Imad Fayez Mughiyah -Hezbollah)stand up in his estate,which shall come with an army,and shall enter into the fortress (US embassy and barracks ,Beirut 1983)of the king of the north,and shall deal against them,and shall prevail;
And shall also carry captives into Egypt (TWA flight 847-1985)thier gods,with thier prnces,and with thier precious vessels of silver and gold;and he shall continue more years than the king of the north.
Imad Fayez Mughniyah died feb 12,2008
Ronald Reagon died june 5,2004June 1985

TWA Flight 847 from Athens is hijacked by terrorists. The pilot is forced to fly to Beirut, where hijackers beat and kill a Navy diver. The plane is flown to Algiers, then back to Beirut again. Most passengers are released; 39 are held captive in Lebanon. Reagan vows that the U.S. will never give in to terrorists' demands. The remaining hostages are freed after 17 days.Dan 11;9
So the king of the south shall come into his kingdom,and shall return into his own land.

Dan11;10-12
But his sons shall be stirred up,and shall assemble a mutitude of great forces;and one shall certainly come,and overflow,and pass through;then shall he return,and be stirred up,even to his fortress.
(1991 Gulf war)
And the king of the south shall be moved with choler,and shall come forth and fight with him,even with the king of the north;and he shall set forth a great mutitude;but the mutitude shall be given into his hand.
And when he had taken away the mutitude,his heart shall be lifted up;and he shall cast down many ten thousands;but he shall not be strengthened by it.
(During the first war with Iraq,Sadam had the 3rd largest army in the world.Certainly a great mutitude.But they were given into the hand of the US.After the US army (its mutitude)was withdrawn from Iraq ,Sadam cast down many ten thousands.The kurds to the north and shias to the south.Even though the US imposed no fly zones to help the uprising ,Sadam defeated all that rose against him.)
Dan 11;13-17
(2003 Gulf war)
For the king of the north shall return,and set forth a mutitude greater than the former,and shall certainly come after certain years with a great army and with much riches.
And in those times there shall many stand up against the king of the south;also the robbers of thy people shall exalt themselves to establish the vosion;but they shall fall.
So the king of the north shall come,and cast up a mount,and take the most fenced cities;and the arms of the south shall not withstandlneither his chosen people,neither shall there be any strength to withstand
But he that cometh against him shall do according to his own will,and none shall stand before him;and he shall stand in the glorious land,which by his hand shall be consumed.
He shallalso set his face to enter with the strength of his whole kingdom,and upright ones with him;thus shall he do;and he shall give him the daughter of women ,corrupting her;but she shall not stand on his side,neither be for him.

The US returned with an army greater than before and took the most fenced cities.Not even Sadam's chosen elect (elite republican guard) could withstand.
Daniel 11;18
After this shall he turn his face unto the isles,and shall take many;but a prince for his own behalf shall cause the reproach offerd by him to cease;without his own reproach he shall cause it to turn upon him.
Bush took prisoners to Cuba and has since been forced to give the detainees their day in court.

Daniel 11;19-20
Then shall he turn his face toward the fort of his own land;but stumble and fall,and not be found.
Then shall stand up in his estate a raiser of taxes in the glory of the kingdom;but within few days he shall be destroyed.

Bush has turned his face toward Washington for the bailout of financial institutions and Im presently watching for the latter part of the above verse.This is why Im interested in Obamas tax plans.


I have my thoughts on the future from studying the scriptures.Things such as the US sending a peace keeping army into Judea-Daniel 11;31.
The US embassy being moved to Jerusalem-daniel 11;45.

But I will have to watch and see if I am right about these things or  not.Time will tell.

[shilohsfoal]

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yes i know that was just an error - i meant 8th king
the thing is, how can israel be the beast and the harlot at the same time?
why would 10 muslim countries give power and authority to israel?

I dont know if the muslim countries have any say so in the matter.
The muslims have renderd thier dominion(Palestine)unto Israel which is now called Israel.
Im sure they didnt want to give up Jerusalem .

They really got humiliated by Israel in the 6 day war.Egypt ,Jordan and Syria got thier buts spanked hard and quick.

Daniel7;24
And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise;and another shall rise after them;and he shall be diverse from the first,and shall subdue three kings.

[glen]

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yes i know that was just an error - i meant 8th king
the thing is, how can israel be the beast and the harlot at the same time?
why would 10 muslim countries give power and authority to israel?

I dont know if the muslim countries have any say so in the matter.
The muslims have renderd thier dominion(Palestine)unto Israel which is now called Israel.
Im sure they didnt want to give up Jerusalem .

They really got humiliated by Israel in the 6 day war.Egypt ,Jordan and Syria got thier buts spanked hard and quick.

Daniel7;24
And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise;and another shall rise after them;and he shall be diverse from the first,and shall subdue three kings.

they were defeated in battle but were they uprooted?
there are a few theories about this
the papacy uprooted 3 horns
also the line of julius caesar, uprooted pompei, the senate and mark anthony, and was the first lineage of dictators of rome
there also seems to be a repetitive pattern of kingdoms expanding south and east towards jerusalem  - greek empire, roman empire, papacy crusades, british empire, nazi germany (almost)

[shilohsfoal]

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yes i know that was just an error - i meant 8th king
the thing is, how can israel be the beast and the harlot at the same time?
why would 10 muslim countries give power and authority to israel?

I dont know if the muslim countries have any say so in the matter.
The muslims have renderd thier dominion(Palestine)unto Israel which is now called Israel.
Im sure they didnt want to give up Jerusalem .

They really got humiliated by Israel in the 6 day war.Egypt ,Jordan and Syria got thier buts spanked hard and quick.

Daniel7;24
And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise;and another shall rise after them;and he shall be diverse from the first,and shall subdue three kings.

they were defeated in battle but were they uprooted?
there are a few theories about this
the papacy uprooted 3 horns
also the line of julius caesar, uprooted pompei, the senate and mark anthony, and was the first lineage of dictators of rome
there also seems to be a repetitive pattern of kingdoms expanding south and east towards jerusalem  - greek empire, roman empire, papacy crusades, british empire, nazi germany (almost)

shephal doesnt mean to uproot.It means to humble,put down,subdue.

What hebrew word in the book of Daniel means to uproot?

And if you are speaking of the words(plucked up by the roots,does it not mean to remove?