Davew your talking about what the dead know after deathPerhaps. But your proposition assumes that time as we know it continues for the dead. Those who say there is a waiting place where the dead are conscious until the resurrection also assume that.
and I'm talking what the bible teaches when it comes to what happens after death.
Two different things
Both periods of waiting are not entirely scriptural. The conscious crowd have some support in the parable of Lazarus and the rich man, but as it is a parable meant to illustrate a point, (and that point is NOT how the afterlife works) I take its value as limited.
the bible clearly teaches sleep, but let's see about what you say dealing with lazareth....
Paul CLEARLY TEACHES that ALL are to rest until Christ comes!
Paul as GRACE pointed out says:
I don't know if I should stay here (earth) or go to be with Jesus..
Now Paul says that all are to rest till we go to be with Jesus.(rapture)
when Paul dies... To him it will SEEM as if he just dies amd there's Jesus! Same with ALL people believers or not.... For ALL eyes will see Jesus amd the rapture.... But it only seems like Paul dies and goes instantly to the gathering in the clouds.... Pauls unaware of 2012.
Now lazareth dies and rich man both die, both sleep and both awaken one to life and one to shame. But all awake at same time and that's when all eyes see the rapture....
Davew you and they have nothing to make your claim (yours being they had something)
how anyone can get around pauls telling EVERY believer to wait with them till the gathering together, and still you think it's another way!?!
Traditions of men..... You were shown scripture that supported someones view and this is how you know they might be lying to you.... They never show you the scripture I showed you because it would conflict with their beliefs....
If you teach Christ has come
there's a pre tribulation rapture
once saved always saved
the dead are with Christ
I can use the bible and defeat these beliefs! As their all false!
If you can deal with Paul in 2 thess as I said, then you have a problem with your belief...
I use to believe osas and the pre trib rapture until I got tried of everybody saying different things so I found out what it said and not what someone said it said...
I found I had been lied to! Cause pastors are TAUGHT what the bible says!
That's why were not to be taught by man, only let man show you but you see if what they say is true or not...
Do this test!!!
And see if you think or just listened to what your taught..
You see lightning flash in the sky... You count one two three four and when you get to six, you hear thunder..... How far was the lightning away?
If you say 6 miles you way off as it's less than a mile away!
How many horseman of the Apocalypse are there?
If you said four, your wrong there's five....
Yet most every Christian will say four... I mean it's only counting to five!!!!