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Dear Readers,

Some of what is said may be very difficult for some people, and this may be due to a multitude of reasons, but on the other hand some of you have a great grasp of the things written in the bible, and you are even awake to the things going on round about us at this present time. And those of you finding it hard to grasp could be down to what you already believe, or whats deeply ingrained, like a bad computer programme in serious need of an update?

Some of you may find it difficult to believe and this is due to what you have learned from other men, and when I say this, I wish in no way whatsoever to offend you, but all religious groups, even Jehovah's Witnesses have been corrupted to some degree, and this is due to faulty teachings which are either based or have their foundations in Greek mythology or some other man made teachings which are of no benefit whatsoever.

And these teachings which could be of and to your eternal detriment if you don't wake up now and take decisive action for what is righteous and true. And this is a decision only you can make for yourselves, and some times pride is a little hard to swallow, but we all have to begin somewhere. But, the news is, many are wakening up, even some of Jehovah's Witnesses, and Robert Kings e-jehovahs-witnesses.com provides a testimony to that.

But, we are now going into the last 7 years of mankind's history, so we don't have much time left as it were. We all share a common belief that Christ is the son of God and that he is the king of the Kingdom, that he laid down his life as a sacrifice so all mankind (believing in him) could get saved out of a world that is about to see its end.

I may very well be a false prophet, mad even, and if I am then I will pay for it, but all I have written I have done so after very serious study, and have written all I have done in pure faith alone.

Things, like Paul had said, may appear hazy at the moment, but as time goes on, the light can only get brighter and brighter until that established day comes upon us, and we are now about enter that time now, the last 7 years of mankind's history which sees Christ going off and waging war amidst his enemies, and opening the first of several seals which sees the beginning of some of the most spectacular events that will be seen one time only and then never again as the Bible says.

It will be a time of Geo Political chaos, there will be major war as we have never seen before which results in 1/4 of the worlds population being wiped out within this first 1260 day period of the last 7 years of mankind's history. From that, Famine, Disease and Natural Disasters will ensue until the system we live in now as governed by Britain and America Collapses at the 6th seal, and we can see evidences of those things beginning to occur now.

During this period the last two prophets of God will sound the last Judgement s of Jehovah before the end time does come, that time being when Satan has been expelled from Heaven to here upon the earth, also this time is also known as day of Jehovah or the Lords day....the last 1260 days of Mankind's history.

But, before the last king Antichrist comes to rule supremely, he will (according to Daniel) go forward in his attempt for world domination and will war against 3 Kings, probably 3 which are in opposition to his rulership. After this war and humiliation of these 3 kings, then he will turn his attention to those, those being the modern day Judas that forsake the covenant, those who will betray the two witnesses for their 30 pieces of silver, then he will then go on to war with the Holy ones of Jehovah which he will conquer and slay.

And indeed he will war against Jehovah and his appointed Christ. He will abolish all formal worship of God as he sets himself up as God, and he will usher in a religion that neither his father nor his forefathers ever knew, for he is the Antichrist and in his religion the Christ and the true God Jehovah will not feature. But this attack and war of is his will be his undoing as he will come to his end with no help whatsoever for him, as he will face his destruction, both he and his armies at Armageddon.

Things may be difficult for you to understand at the moment, but soon we see the arrival of the last Two Prophets of God and they will indeed light the way back to God for many, rocking the nations, preparing a great crowd out of which no man can number for that fast approaching day of Jehovah. And as Jesus himself had said, they will perform works even greater than he had done, and a raising of the dead this side of Armageddon cannot be ruled out as part of these great works which we are about to see very soon.

They will go head to head with the world leaders as well as those that are keeping Gods people captive and enslaved. Their work is like that of Christs and backed up by many powerful works, it is 3.5 years long, and like Christ they are cut off in the middle of the week, but the last and 70th one of this planets history, and its coming very soon. These are Christs bothers, the Anointed, and whoever gives as much as a glass of water to one of these, even the smallest, will by no means lose his reward in Gods Kingdom here upon the earth. If you read a Gospel account concerning Jesus and some of the powerful things he had done, and he performed many, and there were many, as John says if all were written down what Jesus had done then there wouldn't be enough books to contain them, well read an account, lay yourself down, meditate on it, and then you will see whats coming very soon, only, these men will perform more powerful works. Isn't that wonderful? doesn't it give you and fill you up inside with real hope? and not the hope that men give which is temporary and futile, but hope from God which is eternal and everlasting? These men arrive soon and mark the beginning of those last 7 years.

But, we have another battle, one against Satan, his demon Angels and indeed his false prophets that also do and say wonderful things as lying portents of God. So, with all this in mind, what are you going to do? and wouldn't now be the time to waken up and take decisive action in respect of all this? For soon, Antichrist will make his attempt for world domination, and in that rise he will try to get you to forsake all you believe in support of him. He will appeal to your desires, try and deceive you into following his programmes, promising prosperity, and when all flattery fails, then he will begin with outright persecution. Like Hitler, and indeed modern China, he will get the pulpits on his side to preach a message but not one from God, and he will use Romans 13 as a pretext for this, but to your eternal detriment if you decide for this, and in doing so you will ultimately receive his mark and Gods wrath against those that do.

The last Two Prophets are coming, and they are loyal men, and they are going to be shining illuminators in this dark world lighting the way back to God, and they will rock it to its very core. They stand before Jehovah and are ready to speak his word of life, truth and light, and to get a people ready for that fear inspiring day coming. Their message will go to the most furthest ends of the earth. They will turn back men of all kinds to God, some of these will be Kings also as we read this in the accounts in the Old Testament....So, are you ready? and what are you going to do? and wouldn't now be the time to do it? and as the saying goes don't put off until tomorrow what you can do today.

Please listen carefully to what I say, please examine all I say by using your own Bibles. Call out for a spirit of understanding, a spirit of faith, for God is gracious and gives generously to all asking of him. For this very reason he gave his only begotten son so all those listening might get saved. So, why not forget this life, as it is one which is an illusion, its not the real life. Switch off your TV sets, spend more time with your family, get to know your neighbors, do some good, and call out to God now while time still permits, and maybe, just maybe in that day of anger you will be covered?

Our world has 7 billion people, and I would like everyone to hear this message, but that isnt possible for many reasons, but soon, the last two prophets will come, and they will not go unnoticed and all will hear their message, the last messages of God before this world heads on inton the last days which will be the last 1260 days of this planets histrory.

I would love to impart something of lasting value, real hope, so that you know God and his kingdom which will be ruled by his Appointed Christ with his 144000 other kings and priests alongside is very near. So, reach out for the things unseen for they are eternal, as the things of this system, like this world are temporary and are passing away.

Call out to God now, and if you do, you will find he is much closer than you realise.

May he love you, guide you and strengthen you for the time we are about to go into.

So, are you prepared? Are you ready for the last two prophets of God?

May Jehovah Love you and strengthen you, and I ask this in the name of his son, our King and redeemer Jesus Christ.

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« Reply #1 on: Wed Feb 17, 2010 - 11:34:33 »
Dear Friends,

Christian readers, and otherwise, welcome again to another hubpage concentrating on Gods word the Bible, particularly for the time we are heading into now, namely, the "last 7 years" of Mankinds history on this planet, before the Kingdom of God comes to conclude all things.

But, despite Jehovah bringing an end to all things by means of his chosen Christ, he loves mankind so much that he gave his only begotten son so all may be saved by believing in him that his son is indeed Christ and saviour of mankind.

The last two prophets are in our midst now, they are with us now, as are the remnant of the 144000 that are to reign with Christs Kingdom as priests and Kings. ....they are with us now, they saw the sun set this eveining just as we did, maybe they are standing in a door way somewhere, on a hill top, maybe they are shepherds, fishermen, doctors, who knows? but they are now ready to begin their work, and the mark they will leave on our lives will be an indelible one.They only wait for the moment to be activated so they can begin their mission of pronouncing the last commandments of God on earth before the end time begins. They will, as Gods word says, light the pathway back to God, I hope my friends your journey wont be too difficult.

Many say we are in the last days now, the end times, and certainly we can see how times are becoming critical to deal with, but we are not, we are from it. For, when the end time begins and Satan has been slung out of heaven down here upon the earth, well, we will all know it for sure, for he is in a great rage for he knows his time is very short, namely 1260 days only.

These last days or end time do not begin until the second half of the 7 year tribulation begins, which is in actual fact not only the time of the Antichrist, but it is the day of the Almighty also, the day of Jehovah.

The last two prophets from heaven that are to come (Summary)

Before the time of the end begins, we will all of experience the appearance of the last two witnesses of Jehovah that stand before him (Revelation 10:8-11 11:3-7 Matthew 24:14 Acts 1:8 Zechariah 4:14). This occurs during the time of opening of the first of 6 seals when Christ goes forward to wage war amidst his enemies.

These men will appear and preach the good news of Gods kingdom and will do so until their mission on earth has been completed. The Good News of Gods Kingdom will only last for 1260 days only.

These men will be like Elijah and Moses, having their spirit, even having supernatural out of this world powers so as to prove their divine mission and authority, closing heavens to rain, turning rivers to blood. Their works will be greater than that that Christ himself had performed, and it cannot be ruled out that a raising of the dead this side of Armageddon will be part of these works.

Their mission will last for 3.5 years or 42 months. The time in which they will deliver the last pronouncements of God, before the destruction comes upon a very wicked world that is estranged from its creator (Amos 3:7).

The Beast will hate these 2 men and even kill them, the Beast, the Nations will rejoice over it, and they will cast their bodies on the broad-ways for all to see, maybe even as a threat to those that dare defy the might of the wild beast (Revelation 11:3, 7-10 Revelation 13:4b). But these two men will rise again after 3.5 days, or years if it is taken literally about day for a year rule as given by Jehovah to Ezekiel. And at that time, when they appear again, all will be in fear of these two, and will fall faint out of fear for what is about to come upon mankind, for these two, will be taken up in a cloud to the bosom position of Jehovah to watch the fate fall upon their enemies.

The 7th Trumpet sounds and the Kingdom becomes Jehovah’s and his Christ’s. This will be a one off, once seen event that will be seen only this time, and never seen again. The Wild Beasts reign will be one filled with abject terror. But, if his days were never to be cut short, then no flesh at all could be saved. (Rev 11:11 Ezekiel 37:3, 10 Rev 11:2 13:5 Daniel 7:21, 24-26, 12:11a Luke 21:20-*24* Matt 24:15 Mark 133:14 Revelation 12:12 Daniel 12:1)).

What will the Last Two Prophets do?


The ministry of the two witnesses from God in Revelation chapter 11 will last for 1260 days. This event is the most understated event of Bible prophecy.

The last two prophets from heaven will shake the world to its core and the whole world will rejoice when they are killed because they tormented those who dwell on the earth.

The two witnesses torment those that dwell on the earth. Apparently they torment those on the earth so much that all those that dwell upon the earth will throw a worldwide party after they are killed by the Beast Antichrist and that party will still be going on 3 1/2 days (or years) later when God will raises them from the dead in the sight of all and takes them to heaven.

The Antichrist has no power over the two prophets in this time period, during the first 3.5 years of the oncoming 7 year tribulation. The passage only tells us that these two witnesses will devour their enemies and they will smite the earth with plagues as often as they want. "That is quite some delegation of power", particularly as Nobody else in the history of the earth up to this point has been given such power. Even Moses could only announce the plagues that God told him would come if the Egyptians did not obey God.

No, but these two witnesses will be delegated the power to smite the earth with plagues as often as they deem necessary.

These witnesses certainly are men because they witnesses for 1260 days dressed in sack cloth and they are allowed to be killed after their prophetic ministry is over. If they are and indeed were Elijah and Moses they would be the Old Testament chief prophet and the law giver. But, we do know that they stand before Jehovah, not in Heaven, but here upon the earth where he has his footstool. His law has been indelibly written in their hearts.

Therefore, they would be able to authenticate what is written in the Bible.


The two witnesses are the last two prophets that will come before Jesus establishes His kingdom on earth. They will start their ministry during the first half of the still unfulfilled seven years period spoken of by Daniel (The last and final 70th week of years-Daniel 9:27). There will be no building of a third Temple as commonly believed, as any such building of the third temple would only envitably be defiled by the Beast/Antichrist when the time comes for formal worship of God to cease.

The sackcloth probably also means that they will take no pleasure in the comforts of the world and they will be leading Israel and the world into repentance from sin. Sackcloth could also be a description of the poor condition of the two prophets. Remember, when John was asked if he was the Christ, he said he wasn't, further, he told those seeking this Christ not to expect to go into the wilderness to find a person dressed in fine raiment.

In the ancient days of Israel God always sent His prophets before judgment in order to give people a chance to hear and repent. At this future time when God is once again dealing with Israel He will send His prophets once again. Thus, the two prophets in Israel will be sent to warn Israel and the world to repent of their sinful ways and accept Jesus as the Messiah who they will proclaim is about to return. They might tell the world exactly when the Lord will come and they certainly will tell the world that He is coming to judge the world and set up His kingdom on earth.

The two witnesses will probably tell the nations that they must allow all of Gods people go. If they do not and resist, the prophets are likely to send judgments on those nations as often as they wish. Much like when Moses led the Israelite s out of Egypt. It is not going to be a question of free choice. God appointed the nation of Israel for an end time purpose and now Israel will fulfill that purpose. The Gentile world will be judged on how they respond to God's prophets and how they treat the 144,000 sealed Jews and the nation of Israel.

They will prepare the way for God's Kingdom on the earth by setting up God's eternal law for nations to follow and to repent. The "wicked one" or "lawless one" (The last and final King, the 8th one that springs from the previous 7), that rises out of the bottomless pit will be given the power to kill the two prophets and the whole world will rejoice. Thus, that will display that they never repented of their sins and did not receive the love of the truth that these prophets presented

There is this misconception with some in Christianity that the Law was done away with but on the contrary the Law is eternal and all people of flesh must conform to the perfect Law or die. Christians entered the New Covenant where the law was written in their heart and now they have a heart that by nature obeys the spirit of the Law. Many Jews will also come into the New Covenant through hearing and believing the teachings of the two prophets and when Jesus reveals Himself to Israel for the last time. The New Covenant promise was always to Israel and the Jews without preconditions (Jer 31:31) but for the most part they never entered into the New Covenant because of unbelief and the Gentiles were grafted into the promise first. But soon all Israel will hear the truth and many will accept God's Messiah but all those who wilfully reject the Law and pollute the world with flagrant wilful sin will be eliminated from the earth.

Only one third of Israel will survive the tribulation and be refined through its fires (Zech 13:9). This in harmony with the words of Isaiah whereby only a core remnant will return to Jehovah.

To verify that what had happened in the past and that was written in scriptures is indeed the truth. The whole gospel will be given and God's purpose for Israel and the Church will be clearly presented and known to all. So everyone who rejects the truth henceforth will be without excuse.

The two witnesses declare that Jesus is the Messiah and Lord of the Earth and that He is about to return in power and glory and set up His literal Kingdom on earth for a thousand years in order to restore the earth to the paradise it was before the fall of man.

To show the power and reality of God through many signs, wonders and judgments.

To expose the work of Satan on earth that will be culminated in the person we call the Antichrist after he is allowed to kill them.

To display the futility of resisting and rejecting God's will. When God's prophets are killed they will be resurrected by God on the 3.5 days (or years later) in the sight of the whole world as witnesses to all, whereby they will fall faint out of fear with what is about to happen.

To warn of eternal damnation for all that rejects Jesus Christ as Lord.

To proclaim God's forgiveness and love for all those who put their trust in Jesus Christ

We don’t totally underestimate the impact that these two prophets will have on the world. They will be second in power to no one until their ministry is complete. No weapon formed against them will succeed. These prophets with supernatural powers will have God's angels at their disposal. Anyone who dares to harm them will in like manor be killed. They are going to have such a profound impact on the world that after they are raised and taken into heaven the sinful world will want to be led to believe that they can stop the kingdom of Jesus from coming.

Why would anyone on earth believe they can defeat the God of Heaven? Obviously a great deception takes place so the world will believe a lie because they did not want to believe the truth (2 Th 2:11.12).

The Antichrist will claim to have come to earth as God to save it.

The Antichrist will lead the whole world against God in an attempt to have all human flesh on the earth totally destroyed. Jesus said if he did not shorten those days no flesh on earth would be saved.

In these days the truth will be twisted 180 degrees for those who wish to believe a lie. The two prophets of God will be called the Antichrist and the False Prophet by the Bible illiterate. While the real Antichrist will be looked at by most as a "God" and the "Savior" of the world.

For 1260 days on earth every day will bring new decrees from the two prophets. What they say will be the major news story of the day and the whole world will quake with fear at their words. Although there will be rebellion against their decrees the people will soon learn that they will have to comply or receive judgment.

They will think their earthly savior stopped the plan of Jehovah and the plan of a Jewish kingdom ruled by Jesus. But instead they will receive the wrath of the Lamb and the wrath of God. God's son will return on schedule and God will destroy all those who would not have Jesus rule over them (Lu 19:27).

I earnestly ask you, beseech that you listen to these men when they come, seek out the truth, seek God now while he still lets himself be found. And the two witnesses, they will prepare a people, they will rock the nations so all the desirable things come out, and a people are prepared for God before his fear inspiring day begins.

My time is running out, and have no idea how to reach all of those who really are seeking God, but, hope, like many others this duty can be executed, so that I am free of any kind of blood guilt, so nobody can say they weren't warned.

Jehovah wont do a single thing anyway first, without letting his holy ones the prophets know about it, so as to declare it....soon, the last two prophets of God come to declare all these things for a final and last time before Jehovah's day of anger and Armageddon break forth. They are coming to make the ways straight, to open the eyes of the blind, to preach a release to those held captive, and prepare a crowd that will come out of the Great Tribulation victoriously.

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The 2300 Evenings and Mornings or 1150 days
« Reply #2 on: Wed Feb 17, 2010 - 11:35:22 »
This is definitely one part of the Bible I have difficulty with, particularly when its difficult to know when these 1335 days begin and end, but more study has lead me to this brief conclusion below.



The 1335 days, and happy are those that reach them.

These days may begin at the opening of the 6 seals and end some 75 days into the second half of the 7 year tribulation period?

When the Holy ones of Jehovah are martyred at seal 5, just before this systems collapsing at seal 6, they are given white robes and told to wait until the remainder of their brothers the holy ones have been sealed.

And when Satan is expelled from the heavens at 6th seal he goes off in a rage to wage war with the remainder of the Holy ones of Jehovah.

The Angels of the 4 winds are held back until the time when they will be commanded to let go of the four winds which will bring the destruction, and this doesn't seem to occur until Trumpet 1 is blown, and seems to come after the 1/2 hour in Silence in Heaven ends, and if this is correct, then the destruction comes some 21 months after the Antichrist has risen to absolute power? For in Revelation 17 we learn the kings of the earth rule with the Antichrist/Wild Beast for 1 hour, and the Beasts rule is for 3.5 years only, so 1/2 hour would logically be 21months?

So, anyone that's sealed and dies in this period of Antichrists madness, their reward is secure. But, in this time when God is pouring his wrath out, it doesn't seem that the sealing will be open ended until Christs return??

This sealing seems to occur before the destruction begins at trumpet 1.

Trumpet 1 may sound about 21 months after the Antichrist has come to power, just when he is about to call out peace and security. Then, the destruction comes with the sounding of the seven Trumpets that bring 7 respective plagues with them. It may be over the last 21 months of mankind's history. I also believe that the plagues that came over Egypt came over a long period of time, until Pharaoh finally gave in, and in this last period of time which is still to come, it will undoubtedly be the same.

Those reaching the 1335 days and receiving the approval and sealing, whether they live on or die in Christ after that period their kingship's as well as their priesthoods in heaven are secure and Satan cannot do anything about this, and he knows it, that's why, when Antichrist rises, those that have survived Satan's onslaught are taken on the wings of a giant Eagle into the wilderness away from Satan's face until the final 1260 days of this planets history under Satan and Antichrists rule have come to their finish.

The sealing cant come any later, as when the tribulation begins at Trumpet 1 which is about 21 months into Antichrists reign, the only thing which remains to be given out is Gods wrath, and it falls upon those that have received the last kings mark, and in receiving that mark, they will ultimately be destroyed, either at Trumpet 6 when Babylon goes down with 1/2 of the world, or at Trumpet 7 when those that have survived Trumpet 6 and did not repent of all they had done face the final show down on Christs arrival.
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The 2300 Evenings and Mornings or 1150 days of the Captivity of Gods people
Dear Friends,

The 2300 evenings and mornings to come are 1150 literal days (Die Elberfelder Bibel). The Bible book of Daniel leads us to believe they begin 30 days before the mission of the last two witnesses ends (Daniel 12:11a). The rule of the beast is only for 1260 days (Revelation 13:5 11:2 Daniel 7:25 12:7).This occurs during the day of Jehovah, which is in actual fact the last 1260 days of mankind's history, also invariably designated as the time of the end, the time in which Satan and his Antichrist rule here here upon the earth.

So, it would seem these surplus 30 days are days in which all formal worship of God will be stopped, and as Daniel says a cleansing begins to takes place, a cleansing which takes place over 1150 days or 2300 evening and mornings, and does so by means of Gods people going into captivity for a specific period so as to be cleansed under the boot heel of Antichrist and Babylon the Great. So, these 30 days and the beast rule of 1260 is in perfect harmony for that which is about to come pertaining to Gods people and their relationship to the last king Antichrist. During the time of this captivity the people will sing the songs of Lamentations for all their sins and transgressions against Jehovah and their fellow man. It will also be a time of great hunger and thirst, but not for physical food, but for the hearing of Gods word, as Jehovah will cause a hunger and thirst for him to go through out the whole inhabited land (Earth) (Joel 1:10-12)

So, Gods people it seems, go into captivity "before" this systems collapse at the 6th seal, and do so for 1150 days.

This means they are released, according to calculation, some "140" days before Armageddon arrives (1290-1150=140). Those 1290 days being those of Antichrist, the last days before Christ arrives and cleanses this world at Armageddon.

At Trumpet 5, we read of locust type creatures being set free to torment those not having Gods Mark. They do this work for a period of "5 months" (5x30=150). So, this means, Gods people are being set free "about 10 days after Trumpet 5 Blows".

These locusts are tormenting those not having Gods mark, and we know that on the release of Gods people, Jehovah pours out his spirit upon his people in enabling them to carry out his purpose in the final phase of his work up until the conclusion of all things when Christ arrives with all his Angels at Trumpet 7 (Joel 3:1-2, 2:25-27).

So,are these locusts Gods people? and do they begin this work in their captivity, just prior to their immediate release?

Remember, not all those going into captivity will return to Jehovah, only a small remnant, as Zechariah says "1/2" go into captivity, and only "1/3" of that half returns, and Isaiah confirms this being a small remnant at (Isaiah 10:20-23). And the half that are left remaining in the city that do not go into captivity are also destroyed.

So, considering all of this, who can really be saved out of all of this and how? When the last two prophets of Jehovah come they will make all these things clear.

From the release of Gods people until Christ arrives to declare his kingdom in the Heavens and also upon the earth, there will only be 5 literal months left in mankind's sordid history of rulership here upon the earth, a rulership which has seen domination of man by man and only to his injury.

And on that release and Gods people are taken back by him and compensated for all their sufferings,they can truly raise their heads erect as their deliverance will be very shortly at hand.

All these things we will see soon as we head on into the last 7 years of mankind's rulership on this planet.

So, wouldn't "NOW" be the time to waken up and take stock considering all that's coming upon the earth now?
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Jesus is Jehovah.

All the following scriptures quoted from the New World Bible Translation

   Question.  Who did John the Baptist in Matthew 3:3 come in the wilderness preaching of to come? Jesus, and the following verses tell us that Jesus is Jehovah.

   Matthew 3:3.   "This, in fact, is the one spoken of through Isaiah the prophet in these words: "Listen! Someone is crying out in the wilderness, prepare ye the way of Jehovah, you people."

   Isaiah 40:3.  "Listen! Someone is crying out in the wilderness: clear up the way of Jehovah, you people."

   Isaiah 43:10-11.   ". . . . Before me there was no God formed, and after me there continued to be none.  11   "I am Jehovah, and besides me there is no savior." This being said, how do you get "the Word was a god" in John 1:1 if there were no other gods?

   Acts 4:12.  Talking about Jesus in verses 10 & 11, verse 12 states, "Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved."

Isaiah 43:11 said there was no savior beside Jehovah, and this verse proclaims Jesus as that savior.

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You left out the agonizing screams of terror from innocent men,women and children in your scenario there friend. Since those who are not (supposedly saved) will go through some type of hell on earth horror. How does it make you feel to know you will be watching people die and for what? Better be praying your dooms day scenario never plays out because if it does no one will be spared not a one......so think about it.

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Where in the bible does it say everyone will hear and see the two prophets?
The only place Ive read of them being ,is in Jereusalem and according to scripture,I cant go there during that time.
How then can you be so sure that anyone outside of Judea will hear or see them?

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Its the thrill of agony and death that drives this stuff........................

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Re: The 1335 days
« Reply #8 on: Thu Feb 18, 2010 - 10:30:29 »
1260 days with the additional 60 for the month of Adar II that is added three times every 20 years and the 15 days from the Feast of Trumpets to the end of Tabernacles.

1260+60+15=1335

A month will be added at the beginning and at the end of the final seven years. Try the information that has to deal with the barley harvest during the festival of Passover, First fruits and Unleavened Bread.

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Re: The 2300 Evenings and Mornings or 1150 days
« Reply #9 on: Thu Feb 18, 2010 - 11:01:15 »
The 2300 Evenings and Mornings or 1150 days of the Captivity of Gods people
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The 2300 evenings and mornings to come are 1150 literal days (Die Elberfelder Bibel). The Bible book of Daniel leads us to believe they begin 30 days before the mission of the last two witnesses ends (Daniel 12:11a). The rule of the beast is only for 1260 days (Revelation 13:5 11:2 Daniel 7:25 12:7).This occurs during the day of Jehovah, which is in actual fact the last 1260 days of mankind's history, also invariably designated as the time of the end, the time in which Satan and his Antichrist rule here here upon the earth.

So, it would seem these surplus 30 days are days in which all formal worship of God will be stopped, and as Daniel says a cleansing begins to takes place, a cleansing which takes place over 1150 days or 2300 evening and mornings, and does so by means of Gods people going into captivity for a specific period so as to be cleansed under the boot heel of Antichrist and Babylon the Great. So, these 30 days and the beast rule of 1260 is in perfect harmony for that which is about to come pertaining to Gods people and their relationship to the last king Antichrist. During the time of this captivity the people will sing the songs of Lamentations for all their sins and transgressions against Jehovah and their fellow man. It will also be a time of great hunger and thirst, but not for physical food, but for the hearing of Gods word, as Jehovah will cause a hunger and thirst for him to go through out the whole inhabited land (Earth) (Joel 1:10-12)

So, Gods people it seems, go into captivity "before" this systems collapse at the 6th seal, and do so for 1150 days.

This means they are released, according to calculation, some "140" days before Armageddon arrives (1290-1150=140). Those 1290 days being those of Antichrist, the last days before Christ arrives and cleanses this world at Armageddon.

At Trumpet 5, we read of locust type creatures being set free to torment those not having Gods Mark. They do this work for a period of "5 months" (5x30=150). So, this means, Gods people are being set free "about 10 days after Trumpet 5 Blows".

These locusts are tormenting those not having Gods mark, and we know that on the release of Gods people, Jehovah pours out his spirit upon his people in enabling them to carry out his purpose in the final phase of his work up until the conclusion of all things when Christ arrives with all his Angels at Trumpet 7 (Joel 3:1-2, 2:25-27).

So,are these locusts Gods people? and do they begin this work in their captivity, just prior to their immediate release?

Remember, not all those going into captivity will return to Jehovah, only a small remnant, as Zechariah says "1/2" go into captivity, and only "1/3" of that half returns, and Isaiah confirms this being a small remnant at (Isaiah 10:20-23). And the half that are left remaining in the city that do not go into captivity are also destroyed.

So, considering all of this, who can really be saved out of all of this and how? When the last two prophets of Jehovah come they will make all these things clear.

From the release of Gods people until Christ arrives to declare his kingdom in the Heavens and also upon the earth, there will only be 5 literal months left in mankind's sordid history of rulership here upon the earth, a rulership which has seen domination of man by man and only to his injury.

And on that release and Gods people are taken back by him and compensated for all their sufferings,they can truly raise their heads erect as their deliverance will be very shortly at hand.

All these things we will see soon as we head on into the last 7 years of mankind's rulership on this planet.

So, wouldn't "NOW" be the time to waken up and take stock considering all that's coming upon the earth now?
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this is 1150 days - or 2300 evening and morning sacrifices
this prophecy is related to a descendant of the greek goat - which is antiochus epiphanes already fulfilled
this correlates with the 3rd beast (greece), that precedes the 4th beast (rome)

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Re: The 2300 Evenings and Mornings or 1150 days
« Reply #10 on: Thu Feb 18, 2010 - 15:23:43 »
Sorry, its still future.

http://hubpages.com/hub/Destruction-of-Jerusalem-Still-Future

And in line with the time lines given by Christ......

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Re: The 1335 days
« Reply #11 on: Sun Feb 21, 2010 - 08:10:07 »
1260 days with the additional 60 for the month of Adar II that is added three times every 20 years and the 15 days from the Feast of Trumpets to the end of Tabernacles.

1260+60+15=1335

A month will be added at the beginning and at the end of the final seven years. Try the information that has to deal with the barley harvest during the festival of Passover, First fruits and Unleavened Bread.

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what is 60 days for adar 2? i'm interested





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Where in the bible does it say everyone will hear and see the two prophets?
The only place Ive read of them being ,is in Jereusalem and according to scripture,I cant go there during that time.
How then can you be so sure that anyone outside of Judea will hear or see them?

Hi Shilohsfoal,

There is a difference in the "two prophets" and the "two witnesses."  They are not the same entities.  The prophets are represented by the two on the mount of Transfiguration, Moses and Elijah...the law and prophecy.  In other words the two prophets are...the Word and The Word was standing with them on the mount.

As written in [Rev.11:10], "these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth."  There are only two places to dwell....we either dwell "on the earth" or dwell "in heaven."  When His Spirit is in us, even while walking the earth, we dwell in heaven and His Word does not torment us. 

Those that dwell in heaven are His two witnesses....two groups of witnesses and we are many! 

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Glen,

A some time in the scriptures there was a change in the days of the year, from 360 to 365.24. The Jewish calendar was both a lunar and solar calendar. Due to the change, the Feast of Unleavened Bread would come earlier in some months of what we know as April. There would be a time when the barley was not ripe enough to be offered as first fruits so the Jews added an extra month until the barley was ripe, this was the month of Adar II. To accommodate the extra 5.24 days per year there was added  the extra month in this fashion 7 years a month, 7 years a month and 5 years a month.

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This for the witnesses here.

Ps 2:1 Why do the nations rage, And the peoples meditate a vain thing?
Ps 2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, And the rulers take counsel together, Against Jehovah, and against his anointed, [saying],
Ps 2:3 Let us break their bonds asunder, And cast away their cords from us.
Ps 2:4 He that sitteth in the heavens will laugh: The Lord will have them in derision.
Ps 2:5 Then will he speak unto them in his wrath, And vex them in his sore displeasure:
Ps 2:6 Yet I have set my king Upon my holy hill of Zion.
Ps 2:7 I will tell of the decree: Jehovah said unto me, Thou art my son; This day have I begotten thee.
Ps 2:8 Ask of me, and I will give [thee] the nations for thine inheritance, And the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
Ps 2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; Thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter`s vessel.
Ps 2:10 Now therefore be wise, O ye kings: Be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
Ps 2:11 Serve Jehovah with fear, And rejoice with trembling.
Ps 2:12 Kiss the son, lest he be angry, and ye perish in the way, For his wrath will soon be kindled. Blessed are all they that take refuge in him. 

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This for the witnesses here.

Ps 2:1 Why do the nations rage, And the peoples meditate a vain thing?
Ps 2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, And the rulers take counsel together, Against Jehovah, and against his anointed, [saying],
Ps 2:3 Let us break their bonds asunder, And cast away their cords from us.
Ps 2:4 He that sitteth in the heavens will laugh: The Lord will have them in derision.
Ps 2:5 Then will he speak unto them in his wrath, And vex them in his sore displeasure:
Ps 2:6 Yet I have set my king Upon my holy hill of Zion.
Ps 2:7 I will tell of the decree: Jehovah said unto me, Thou art my son; This day have I begotten thee.
Ps 2:8 Ask of me, and I will give [thee] the nations for thine inheritance, And the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
Ps 2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; Thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter`s vessel.
Ps 2:10 Now therefore be wise, O ye kings: Be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
Ps 2:11 Serve Jehovah with fear, And rejoice with trembling.
Ps 2:12 Kiss the son, lest he be angry, and ye perish in the way, For his wrath will soon be kindled. Blessed are all they that take refuge in him. 



Revelation 2:26-28  And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of My Father.  And I will give him the morning star.

Revelation 12:5  And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to His throne.

Revelation 19:15 And out of His mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it He should smite the nations: and He shall rule them with a rod of iron: and He treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

  • The many witnesses are His "rod of iron." 


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The rod of Iron is JESUS. The begotten one.



'Lu 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee: wherefore also the holy thing which is BEGOTTEN shall be called the Son of God.

Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us (and we beheld his glory, glory as of the only BEGOTTEN from the Father), full of grace and truth.

Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only BEGOTTEN Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared [him].

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only BEGOTTEN Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life.

Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not judged: he that believeth not hath been judged already, because he hath not believed on the name of the only BEGOTTEN Son of God.

Ac 13:33 that God hath fulfilled the same unto our children, in that he raised up Jesus; as also it is written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I BEGOTTEN thee.

Phm 1:10 I beseech thee for my child, whom I have BEGOTTEN in my bonds, Onesimus,
Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, This day have I BEGOTTEN thee? and again, I will be to him a Father, And he shall be to me a Son?

Heb 5:5 So Christ also glorified not himself to be made a high priest, but he that spake unto him, Thou art my Son, This day have I BEGOTTEN thee:

Heb 11:17 By faith Abraham, being tried, offered up Isaac: yea, he that had gladly received the promises was offering up his only BEGOTTEN [son];

1pe 1:23 having been BEGOTTEN again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, through the word of God, which liveth and abideth.

1jo 2:29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one also that doeth righteousness is BEGOTTEN of him.

1jo 3:9 Whosoever is BEGOTTEN of God doeth no sin, because his seed abideth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is BEGOTTEN of God.

1jo 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is BEGOTTEN of God, and knoweth God.

1jo 4:9 Herein was the love of God manifested in us, that God hath sent his only BEGOTTEN Son into the world that we might live through him.

1jo 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is BEGOTTEN of God: and whosoever loveth him that begat loveth him also that is BEGOTTEN of him.

1jo 5:4 For whatsoever is BEGOTTEN of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that hath overcome the world, [even] our faith.

1jo 5:18 We know that whosoever is BEGOTTEN of God sinneth not; but he that was BEGOTTEN of God keepeth himself, and the evil one toucheth him not.

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The rod of Iron is JESUS. The begotten one.

'Lu 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee: wherefore also the holy thing which is BEGOTTEN shall be called the Son of God.

Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us (and we beheld his glory, glory as of the only BEGOTTEN from the Father), full of grace and truth.

Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only BEGOTTEN Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared [him].

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only BEGOTTEN Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life.

Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not judged: he that believeth not hath been judged already, because he hath not believed on the name of the only BEGOTTEN Son of God.

Ac 13:33 that God hath fulfilled the same unto our children, in that he raised up Jesus; as also it is written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I BEGOTTEN thee.

Phm 1:10 I beseech thee for my child, whom I have BEGOTTEN in my bonds, Onesimus,
Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, This day have I BEGOTTEN thee? and again, I will be to him a Father, And he shall be to me a Son?

Heb 5:5 So Christ also glorified not himself to be made a high priest, but he that spake unto him, Thou art my Son, This day have I BEGOTTEN thee:

Heb 11:17 By faith Abraham, being tried, offered up Isaac: yea, he that had gladly received the promises was offering up his only BEGOTTEN [son];

1pe 1:23 having been BEGOTTEN again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, through the word of God, which liveth and abideth.

1jo 2:29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one also that doeth righteousness is BEGOTTEN of him.

1jo 3:9 Whosoever is BEGOTTEN of God doeth no sin, because his seed abideth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is BEGOTTEN of God.

1jo 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is BEGOTTEN of God, and knoweth God.

1jo 4:9 Herein was the love of God manifested in us, that God hath sent his only BEGOTTEN Son into the world that we might live through him.

1jo 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is BEGOTTEN of God: and whosoever loveth him that begat loveth him also that is BEGOTTEN of him.

1jo 5:4 For whatsoever is BEGOTTEN of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that hath overcome the world, [even] our faith.

1jo 5:18 We know that whosoever is BEGOTTEN of God sinneth not; but he that was BEGOTTEN of God keepeth himself, and the evil one toucheth him not.


Jesus is the only Begotten Son but He is not the rod of iron.  We, as His elect, are the rod He uses over His kingdom. 

  • Daniel 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the MOST HIGH;  and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.  (27) And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the People of the saints of the MOST HIGH, Whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey Him.'

    Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection:  on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

    Revelation 2:26-28  And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of My Father.  And I will give him the morning star.

Notice that it is Christ who "received of My Father" that gives power to to those that overcome (Christ is NOT "he that overcometh.").  They are those that rule with a rod of iron. 

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Where in the bible does it say everyone will hear and see the two prophets?
The only place Ive read of them being ,is in Jereusalem and according to scripture,I cant go there during that time.
How then can you be so sure that anyone outside of Judea will hear or see them?

Hi Shilohsfoal,

There is a difference in the "two prophets" and the "two witnesses."  They are not the same entities.  The prophets are represented by the two on the mount of Transfiguration, Moses and Elijah...the law and prophecy.  In other words the two prophets are...the Word and The Word was standing with them on the mount.

As written in [Rev.11:10], "these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth."  There are only two places to dwell....we either dwell "on the earth" or dwell "in heaven."  When His Spirit is in us, even while walking the earth, we dwell in heaven and His Word does not torment us. 

Those that dwell in heaven are His two witnesses....two groups of witnesses and we are many! 



In the Song of Solomon the bride of Christ is represented by the Shulamite and we see her as the company of two armies.

Song of Solomon 13:13  Return, return, O Shulamite; return, return, that we may look upon thee. What will ye see in the Shulamite? As it were the company of two armies.

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Where in the bible does it say everyone will hear and see the two prophets?
The only place Ive read of them being ,is in Jereusalem and according to scripture,I cant go there during that time.
How then can you be so sure that anyone outside of Judea will hear or see them?

Hi Shilohsfoal,

There is a difference in the "two prophets" and the "two witnesses."  They are not the same entities.  The prophets are represented by the two on the mount of Transfiguration, Moses and Elijah...the law and prophecy.  In other words the two prophets are...the Word and The Word was standing with them on the mount.

As written in [Rev.11:10], "these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth."  There are only two places to dwell....we either dwell "on the earth" or dwell "in heaven."  When His Spirit is in us, even while walking the earth, we dwell in heaven and His Word does not torment us. 

Those that dwell in heaven are His two witnesses....two groups of witnesses and we are many! 



In the Song of Solomon the bride of Christ is represented by the Shulamite and we see her as the company of two armies.

Song of Solomon 13:13  Return, return, O Shulamite; return, return, that we may look upon thee. What will ye see in the Shulamite? As it were the company of two armies.


Hi Larry,

I'm afraid I can't comment.  I have no knowledge of the Song of Solomon at all  ::blushing::  It is much as Job to me....I just haven't spent any time in either of them...except for the occasional quote.  But, your reference is interesting so hopefully I'll make time to study them.  A few years ago I set out to  tackle Job but soon felt as if my head was full of oatmeal and I gave up. 

Are you saying, by referencing the quote, that the two witnesses are the two armies?

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Jesus is the only Begotten Son but He is not the rod of iron.  We, as His elect, are the rod He uses over His kingdom. 

  • Daniel 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the MOST HIGH;  and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.  (27) And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the People of the saints of the MOST HIGH, Whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey Him.'

    Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection:  on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

    Revelation 2:26-28  And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of My Father.  And I will give him the morning star.

Notice that it is Christ who "received of My Father" that gives power to to those that overcome (Christ is NOT "he that overcometh.").  They are those that rule with a rod of iron.  [/size]


Very good post.

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There is a difference in the "two prophets" and the "two witnesses."  They are not the same entities.  The prophets are represented by the two on the mount of Transfiguration, Moses and Elijah...the law and prophecy.  In other words the two prophets are...the Word and The Word was standing with them on the mount.

As written in [Rev.11:10], "these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth."  There are only two places to dwell....we either dwell "on the earth" or dwell "in heaven."  When His Spirit is in us, even while walking the earth, we dwell in heaven and His Word does not torment us. 

Those that dwell in heaven are His two witnesses....two groups of witnesses and we are many! 



In the Song of Solomon the bride of Christ is represented by the Shulamite and we see her as the company of two armies.

Song of Solomon 13:13  Return, return, O Shulamite; return, return, that we may look upon thee. What will ye see in the Shulamite? As it were the company of two armies.



Hi Larry,

I'm afraid I can't comment.  I have no knowledge of the Song of Solomon at all  ::blushing::  It is much as Job to me....I just haven't spent any time in either of them...except for the occasional quote.  But, your reference is interesting so hopefully I'll make time to study them.  A few years ago I set out to  tackle Job but soon felt as if my head was full of oatmeal and I gave up. 

Are you saying, by referencing the quote, that the two witnesses are the two armies?


I do not say they are the two witnesses as we're not told, but I do know the bride is with Christ from the beginning of His reign and are instrumental in all He does as judgment is dealt out. The Song of Solomon is the perfect example of Jesus courting His bride out from among others. I do not know the extent of study you've done in this, but are you familiar with the role of the 24 elders of Revelation 4:4 and four living ones or beasts of Revelation 4:6? They too are not limited to a total of 24 and 4; they come out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation according to Revelation 5:9. 

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Glen,

A some time in the scriptures there was a change in the days of the year, from 360 to 365.24. The Jewish calendar was both a lunar and solar calendar. Due to the change, the Feast of Unleavened Bread would come earlier in some months of what we know as April. There would be a time when the barley was not ripe enough to be offered as first fruits so the Jews added an extra month until the barley was ripe, this was the month of Adar II. To accommodate the extra 5.24 days per year there was added  the extra month in this fashion 7 years a month, 7 years a month and 5 years a month.

according to an article i read it's possible that this calender was used (greek that is) in the time of the maccabees, when the desolation was occuring by antiochus epiphanes;

3 x 360 days = 1080 days
2 x 30 days   =     60 days
plus 10 days for the dates given, the total being 1150 days

this started on december 15th and ended december 25th over 3 years later

daniel 8 and history just has too much evidence that it's already fulfilled, and is nothing to do with daniel later on with the roman empire, and the chronology is correct too - the greek goat coming before the 10 horn roman beast

i just don't understand how people cant see this and are too preoccupied with everything being future and everything being about the antichrist

an event such as this (antiochus), would have been prophesied not just skipped over






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Where in the bible does it say everyone will hear and see the two prophets?
The only place Ive read of them being ,is in Jereusalem and according to scripture,I cant go there during that time.
How then can you be so sure that anyone outside of Judea will hear or see them?

I don't think it says everyone will see them while they perform the miracles (although everyone will hear about it, I'm sure), but it does say many will see their dead bodies:

Rev 11:9  And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
Rev 11:10  And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

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Dear Friends,

Christian readers, and otherwise, welcome again to another hubpage concentrating on Gods word the Bible, particularly for the time we are heading into now, namely, the "last 7 years" of Mankinds history on this planet, before the Kingdom of God comes to conclude all things.

But, despite Jehovah bringing an end to all things by means of his chosen Christ, he loves mankind so much that he gave his only begotten son so all may be saved by believing in him that his son is indeed Christ and saviour of mankind.

The last two prophets are in our midst now, they are with us now, as are the remnant of the 144000 that are to reign with Christs Kingdom as priests and Kings. ....they are with us now,
they saw the sun set this eveining just as we did, maybe they are standing in a door way somewhere, on a hill top, maybe they are shepherds, fishermen, doctors, who knows? but they are now ready to begin their work, and the mark they will leave on our lives will be an indelible one.They only wait for the moment to be activated so they can begin their mission of pronouncing the last commandments of God on earth before the end time begins. They will, as Gods word says, light the pathway back to God, I hope my friends your journey wont be too difficult.

Many say we are in the last days now, the end times, and certainly we can see how times are becoming critical to deal with, but we are not, we are from it. For, when the end time begins and Satan has been slung out of heaven down here upon the earth, well, we will all know it for sure, for he is in a great rage for he knows his time is very short, namely 1260 days only.

These last days or end time do not begin until the second half of the 7 year tribulation begins, which is in actual fact not only the time of the Antichrist, but it is the day of the Almighty also, the day of Jehovah.

The last two prophets from heaven that are to come (Summary)

Before the time of the end begins, we will all of experience the appearance of the last two witnesses of Jehovah that stand before him (Revelation 10:8-11 11:3-7 Matthew 24:14 Acts 1:8 Zechariah 4:14). This occurs during the time of opening of the first of 6 seals when Christ goes forward to wage war amidst his enemies.

These men will appear and preach the good news of Gods kingdom and will do so until their mission on earth has been completed. The Good News of Gods Kingdom will only last for 1260 days only.

These men will be like Elijah and Moses, having their spirit, even having supernatural out of this world powers so as to prove their divine mission and authority, closing heavens to rain, turning rivers to blood. Their works will be greater than that that Christ himself had performed, and it cannot be ruled out that a raising of the dead this side of Armageddon will be part of these works.

Their mission will last for 3.5 years or 42 months. The time in which they will deliver the last pronouncements of God, before the destruction comes upon a very wicked world that is estranged from its creator (Amos 3:7).

The Beast will hate these 2 men and even kill them, the Beast, the Nations will rejoice over it, and they will cast their bodies on the broad-ways for all to see, maybe even as a threat to those that dare defy the might of the wild beast (Revelation 11:3, 7-10 Revelation 13:4b). But these two men will rise again after 3.5 days, or years if it is taken literally about day for a year rule as given by Jehovah to Ezekiel. And at that time, when they appear again, all will be in fear of these two, and will fall faint out of fear for what is about to come upon mankind, for these two, will be taken up in a cloud to the bosom position of Jehovah to watch the fate fall upon their enemies.

The 7th Trumpet sounds and the Kingdom becomes Jehovah’s and his Christ’s. This will be a one off, once seen event that will be seen only this time, and never seen again. The Wild Beasts reign will be one filled with abject terror. But, if his days were never to be cut short, then no flesh at all could be saved. (Rev 11:11 Ezekiel 37:3, 10 Rev 11:2 13:5 Daniel 7:21, 24-26, 12:11a Luke 21:20-*24* Matt 24:15 Mark 133:14 Revelation 12:12 Daniel 12:1)).

What will the Last Two Prophets do?


The ministry of the two witnesses from God in Revelation chapter 11 will last for 1260 days. This event is the most understated event of Bible prophecy.

The last two prophets from heaven will shake the world to its core and the whole world will rejoice when they are killed because they tormented those who dwell on the earth.

The two witnesses torment those that dwell on the earth. Apparently they torment those on the earth so much that all those that dwell upon the earth will throw a worldwide party after they are killed by the Beast Antichrist and that party will still be going on 3 1/2 days (or years) later when God will raises them from the dead in the sight of all and takes them to heaven.

The Antichrist has no power over the two prophets in this time period, during the first 3.5 years of the oncoming 7 year tribulation. The passage only tells us that these two witnesses will devour their enemies and they will smite the earth with plagues as often as they want. "That is quite some delegation of power", particularly as Nobody else in the history of the earth up to this point has been given such power. Even Moses could only announce the plagues that God told him would come if the Egyptians did not obey God.

No, but these two witnesses will be delegated the power to smite the earth with plagues as often as they deem necessary.

These witnesses certainly are men because they witnesses for 1260 days dressed in sack cloth and they are allowed to be killed after their prophetic ministry is over. If they are and indeed were Elijah and Moses they would be the Old Testament chief prophet and the law giver. But, we do know that they stand before Jehovah, not in Heaven, but here upon the earth where he has his footstool. His law has been indelibly written in their hearts.

Therefore, they would be able to authenticate what is written in the Bible.


The two witnesses are the last two prophets that will come before Jesus establishes His kingdom on earth. They will start their ministry during the first half of the still unfulfilled seven years period spoken of by Daniel (The last and final 70th week of years-Daniel 9:27). There will be no building of a third Temple as commonly believed, as any such building of the third temple would only envitably be defiled by the Beast/Antichrist when the time comes for formal worship of God to cease.

The sackcloth probably also means that they will take no pleasure in the comforts of the world and they will be leading Israel and the world into repentance from sin. Sackcloth could also be a description of the poor condition of the two prophets. Remember, when John was asked if he was the Christ, he said he wasn't, further, he told those seeking this Christ not to expect to go into the wilderness to find a person dressed in fine raiment.

In the ancient days of Israel God always sent His prophets before judgment in order to give people a chance to hear and repent. At this future time when God is once again dealing with Israel He will send His prophets once again. Thus, the two prophets in Israel will be sent to warn Israel and the world to repent of their sinful ways and accept Jesus as the Messiah who they will proclaim is about to return. They might tell the world exactly when the Lord will come and they certainly will tell the world that He is coming to judge the world and set up His kingdom on earth.

The two witnesses will probably tell the nations that they must allow all of Gods people go. If they do not and resist, the prophets are likely to send judgments on those nations as often as they wish. Much like when Moses led the Israelite s out of Egypt. It is not going to be a question of free choice. God appointed the nation of Israel for an end time purpose and now Israel will fulfill that purpose. The Gentile world will be judged on how they respond to God's prophets and how they treat the 144,000 sealed Jews and the nation of Israel.

They will prepare the way for God's Kingdom on the earth by setting up God's eternal law for nations to follow and to repent. The "wicked one" or "lawless one" (The last and final King, the 8th one that springs from the previous 7), that rises out of the bottomless pit will be given the power to kill the two prophets and the whole world will rejoice. Thus, that will display that they never repented of their sins and did not receive the love of the truth that these prophets presented

There is this misconception with some in Christianity that the Law was done away with but on the contrary the Law is eternal and all people of flesh must conform to the perfect Law or die. Christians entered the New Covenant where the law was written in their heart and now they have a heart that by nature obeys the spirit of the Law. Many Jews will also come into the New Covenant through hearing and believing the teachings of the two prophets and when Jesus reveals Himself to Israel for the last time. The New Covenant promise was always to Israel and the Jews without preconditions (Jer 31:31) but for the most part they never entered into the New Covenant because of unbelief and the Gentiles were grafted into the promise first. But soon all Israel will hear the truth and many will accept God's Messiah but all those who wilfully reject the Law and pollute the world with flagrant wilful sin will be eliminated from the earth.

Only one third of Israel will survive the tribulation and be refined through its fires (Zech 13:9). This in harmony with the words of Isaiah whereby only a core remnant will return to Jehovah.

To verify that what had happened in the past and that was written in scriptures is indeed the truth. The whole gospel will be given and God's purpose for Israel and the Church will be clearly presented and known to all. So everyone who rejects the truth henceforth will be without excuse.

The two witnesses declare that Jesus is the Messiah and Lord of the Earth and that He is about to return in power and glory and set up His literal Kingdom on earth for a thousand years in order to restore the earth to the paradise it was before the fall of man.

To show the power and reality of God through many signs, wonders and judgments.

To expose the work of Satan on earth that will be culminated in the person we call the Antichrist after he is allowed to kill them.

To display the futility of resisting and rejecting God's will. When God's prophets are killed they will be resurrected by God on the 3.5 days (or years later) in the sight of the whole world as witnesses to all, whereby they will fall faint out of fear with what is about to happen.

To warn of eternal damnation for all that rejects Jesus Christ as Lord.

To proclaim God's forgiveness and love for all those who put their trust in Jesus Christ

We don’t totally underestimate the impact that these two prophets will have on the world. They will be second in power to no one until their ministry is complete. No weapon formed against them will succeed. These prophets with supernatural powers will have God's angels at their disposal. Anyone who dares to harm them will in like manor be killed. They are going to have such a profound impact on the world that after they are raised and taken into heaven the sinful world will want to be led to believe that they can stop the kingdom of Jesus from coming.

Why would anyone on earth believe they can defeat the God of Heaven? Obviously a great deception takes place so the world will believe a lie because they did not want to believe the truth (2 Th 2:11.12).

The Antichrist will claim to have come to earth as God to save it.

The Antichrist will lead the whole world against God in an attempt to have all human flesh on the earth totally destroyed. Jesus said if he did not shorten those days no flesh on earth would be saved.

In these days the truth will be twisted 180 degrees for those who wish to believe a lie. The two prophets of God will be called the Antichrist and the False Prophet by the Bible illiterate. While the real Antichrist will be looked at by most as a "God" and the "Savior" of the world.

For 1260 days on earth every day will bring new decrees from the two prophets. What they say will be the major news story of the day and the whole world will quake with fear at their words. Although there will be rebellion against their decrees the people will soon learn that they will have to comply or receive judgment.

They will think their earthly savior stopped the plan of Jehovah and the plan of a Jewish kingdom ruled by Jesus. But instead they will receive the wrath of the Lamb and the wrath of God. God's son will return on schedule and God will destroy all those who would not have Jesus rule over them (Lu 19:27).

I earnestly ask you, beseech that you listen to these men when they come, seek out the truth, seek God now while he still lets himself be found. And the two witnesses, they will prepare a people, they will rock the nations so all the desirable things come out, and a people are prepared for God before his fear inspiring day begins.

My time is running out, and have no idea how to reach all of those who really are seeking God, but, hope, like many others this duty can be executed, so that I am free of any kind of blood guilt, so nobody can say they weren't warned.

Jehovah wont do a single thing anyway first, without letting his holy ones the prophets know about it, so as to declare it....soon, the last two prophets of God come to declare all these things for a final and last time before Jehovah's day of anger and Armageddon break forth. They are coming to make the ways straight, to open the eyes of the blind, to preach a release to those held captive, and prepare a crowd that will come out of the Great Tribulation victoriously.

ER

i agree that 2 prophets will come like elijah and moses, but also that the 144000 are also the 2 witnesses
2 olive trees from which oil drips (the spirit), - the 2 prophets
2 lampstands which receives the oil - house of judah and house of israel (the 144000)


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note also that moses was a descendant of the house of judah, elijah a descendant of the house of israel

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I agree that 2 prophets will come like Elijah and Moses, but also that the 144000 are also the 2 witnesses
2 olive trees from which oil drips (the spirit), - the 2 prophets
2 lampstands which receives the oil - house of Judah and house of Israel (the 144000)
Moses was a descendant of the house of Judah, Elijah a descendant of the house of Israel



I like the thought of Moses and Elijah being of Judah and Israel which I will have to ponder on, but as to the 144,000 having a part of being that group I have to wonder at the timing because they are sealed in Revelation 7:4-8, a time already in tribulation and the two witnesses prophesy 1260 days and are killed prior to the middle of the tribulation and then lie 3 1/2 days past the middle of the week according to Revelation 11:3-12. And then we don't see them with Jesus until Revelation Chapter Fourteen.

I was just thinking; if these two witnesses consisted of a massive number of people, would their bodies all be killed and lie in the streets for 3 1/2 days?

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i'm not i sure i understand what you mean by the timing
i don't think everything in revelation is in strict chronological order, and as for all those bodies i don't think it sounds far fetched for that to happen for 3 1/2 days

i can only tell you what i understand and have read

JER 11:16 `An olive, green, fair, of goodly fruit,' Hath Jehovah called thy name, At the noise of a great tumult He hath kindled fire against it, And broken have been its thin branches.
JER 11:17 And Jehovah of Hosts, who is planting thee, Hath spoken evil concerning thee, For the evil of the house of Israel, and of the house of Judah, That they have done to themselves, To provoke Me to anger, to make perfume to Baal.

here it describes israel as the olive tree and also describes it as israel and judah which by then were 2 seperate entities (2 olive trees)

With this background, we are now ready to look at the apostle Paul's revelation on Israel the olive tree:

ROM 11:16 and if the first-fruit `is' holy, the lump also; and if the root `is' holy, the branches also.
ROM 11:17 And if certain of the branches were broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wast graffed in among them, and a fellow-partaker of the root and of the fatness of the olive tree didst become --
ROM 11:18 do not boast against the branches; and if thou dost boast, thou dost not bear the root, but the root thee!
ROM 11:19 Thou wilt say, then, `The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in;' right!
ROM 11:20 by unbelief they were broken off, and thou hast stood by faith; be not high-minded, but be fearing;
ROM 11:21 for if God the natural branches did not spare -- lest perhaps He also shall not spare thee.
ROM 11:22 Lo, then, goodness and severity of God -- upon those indeed who fell, severity; and upon thee, goodness, if thou mayest remain in the goodness, otherwise, thou also shalt be cut off.
ROM 11:23 And those also, if they may not remain in unbelief, shall be graffed in, for God is able again to graff them in;
ROM 11:24 for if thou, out of the olive tree, wild by nature, wast cut out, and, contrary to nature, wast graffed into a good olive tree, how much rather shall they, who `are' according to nature, be graffed into their own olive tree?
ROM 11:25 For I do not wish you to be ignorant, brethren, of this secret -- that ye may not be wise in your own conceits -- that hardness in part to Israel hath happened till the fulness of the nations may come in;
ROM 11:26 and so all Israel shall be saved, according as it hath been written, `There shall come forth out of Sion he who is delivering, and he shall turn away impiety from Jacob,

REV 14:1 And I saw, and lo, a Lamb having stood upon the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty-four thousands, having the name of his Father written upon their foreheads;

1 Blow ye a trumpet in Zion, And shout ye in My holy hill, Tremble do all inhabitants of the earth, For coming is the day of Jehovah, for it is near! joel 2:1

this is where you see a connection between the 7th trumpet and the trumpet blown in zion, declaring the kingdom of God and christ, which is blown after the 2 witnesses are resurrected










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I'm ready.  A Christian ought to be ready all the time.

As should a survivalist.

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 Paul tells us that ALL of Israel, both the House of Judah and the House of Israel, have been blinded to the truth for a period of time.  However, he says that wild olive branches will continue to be grafted in to the cultivated olive tree to replace those branches broken off until the fullness of the Gentiles has been added.

    GENESIS 48:17 And Joseph saw that his father was putting his right hand on the head of Ephraim; and it was evil in his eyes.  And he took hold of his father's hand to turn it from Ephraim's head to the head of Manasseh.  18 And Joseph said to his father, "Not so, my father!  For this one is the firstborn; put your right hand on his head."  19 And his father refused, and said, "I know, my son, I know.  He also shall be a people, and he shall become great.  But his younger brother shall become greater than he, and his seed shall become the fullness of the nations."  20 And he blessed them in that day, saying, "In you shall Israel bless, saying, 'May God make you like Ephraim and Manasseh!' " And he put Ephraim before Manasseh. (The Interlinear Bible)

Here we see the deathbed blessing of Israel upon Ephraim when he adopted him and his brother Manasseh.  Israel said that Ephraim's offspring would become "the fullness of the nations."  In Hebrew, this phrase is melo hagoyim.  Interestingly, this phrase can also be translated "the fullness of the Gentiles."  It was Ephraim (representative of the lost ten tribes of the House of Israel) that Paul had in mind when he spoke of the wild olive tree in Romans 11!

This is verified by Paul's statement about "the Gentiles" in the 9th chapter of Romans:

    ROMANS 9:22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? 25 As He says also in Hosea:  "I will call them My people, who were not My people, and her beloved, who was not beloved.  26 And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them, 'You are not My people,' there they shall be called sons of the living God." (NKJV)

In this passage, Paul quotes from Hosea's prophecy about the eventual recovery of those Israelites (Ephraim and the tribes associated with him) who were cast away by God for their sins (Hos. 1:10).  Either Paul was using this prophetic Scripture out of context, or the Gentiles he was speaking of were actually children of the lost Israelite tribes.
 

as for the 2 lampstands revelation tells us what a lampstand is

REVELATION 1:12 .........seven lampstands which you saw are the seven churches."

In this passage, the lampstands depict seven ekklesiai, the seven Asian churches listed in Revelation 1:11.  The Greek noun ekklesia literally means "an assembly of called out ones."  We can see that in the book of Revelation, a lampstand represents a called out group of people.  The symbolism fits perfectly with the House of Judah and the House of Israel, who were at first called out of Egypt together to be God's people.  At the end of this age, they will be called out once more to witness against the people of this earth when they forsake YHVH and worship the Antichrist.
 Dan is omitted from the twelve tribes sealed in Revelation 7.  In Genesis 49, Israel gives deathbed prophecies to all his sons regarding their fate in the "last days" (Gen. 49:1).  Part of the prophecy for the tribe of Dan explains the reason why he is not included as part of the two witnesses:

    GENESIS 49:16 "Dan shall judge his people as one of the tribes of Israel." (NKJV)

Since one cannot be both a witness and a judge in a matter, the tribe of Dan was chosen by God to be the judge in this end-time situation.  He is prophesied to be the judge of those among the offspring of Israel that forsake the true God and follow the beast (Antichrist).



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I may be misunderstanding you, but to me the dragon and the serpent are one and the same according to Revelation 12: 9. "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan."


hi larry, sorry i'm not sure where that came from (dragon that is)
i never mentoined anything about that

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I may be misunderstanding you, but to me the dragon and the serpent are one and the same according to Revelation 12: 9. "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan."


hi larry, sorry i'm not sure where that came from (dragon that is)
i never mentoined anything about that

Sorry Glen, I had that to post on another thread and somehow when posting chose the wrong one to post it on. Thanks for bring my attention to it Now I must search where it was to go.  ::smile::

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I may be misunderstanding you, but to me the dragon and the serpent are one and the same according to Revelation 12: 9. "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan."


hi larry, sorry i'm not sure where that came from (dragon that is)
i never mentoined anything about that

Sorry Glen, I had that to post on another thread and somehow when posting chose the wrong one to post it on. Thanks for bring my attention to it Now I must search where it was to go.  ::smile::


yes i just realised it was this one!!

The TWO FLOODS of Revelation

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No one has mentioned that when the two prophets come there will be no rain on the earth for 3 1/2 years.

Re 11:6 These have the power to shut the heaven, that it rain not during the days of their prophecy: and they have power over the waters to turn them into blood, and to smite the earth with every plague, as often as they shall desire.

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I won't be around to see the two witnesses..... ::amen!::