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Will Babylon in Iraq... be rebuilt. There is a Rome the Mystery Babylon , and there is Babylon . This is very interesting... Zechariah 5... Then said I to the angle that talked with me, whither do these bear the ephah? And he said unto me. To build it an house in the land of Shinar and it shall be established and set there upon her own base. Satans seat is in Babylon and the consort city of Mystery Babylon.
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« Reply #1 on: Sat Mar 13, 2010 - 15:24:41 »
Babylon is the Jewel of Heaven.

The Pagan Governments use this model.
They want to reach it, "Physically" ...and not Spiritually. (ie Tower of Babel, Skyscapers, etc).

Babylon IS a beautiful place, but getting there has to be a holy journey -not a NEW WORLD ORDER.

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Little old a bit new .. a bit new and a little old.....expand you are a bit of a flirt. But Apostates have no Idea....... so they just..... what....
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« Reply #3 on: Sat Mar 13, 2010 - 17:53:16 »
Little old a bit new .. a bit new and a little old.....expand you are a bit of a flirt. But Apostates have no Idea....... so they just..... what....

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So C... what did Rm say?.... O I am slow .... BAAL... is skyline of NY.... o so dumb of me... Its not Babylon  but I am sure BAAL is in NY.
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« Reply #6 on: Sun Mar 14, 2010 - 01:29:09 »
...and it was a "Twin Tower". How about that ?

OK ....Sources would be extra dandy  ::takingphoto::

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Can't give sources offhand. Just something I encountered in a lifetime of reading. You could look it up on the internet though.

Thanks. Manna  ::takingphoto::

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« Reply #8 on: Sun Mar 14, 2010 - 14:11:17 »
So C... what did Rm say?.... O I am slow .... BAAL... is skyline of NY.... o so dumb of me... Its not Babylon  but I am sure BAAL is in NY.

Sources would extra cool.  ::takingphoto::

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« Reply #9 on: Sun Mar 14, 2010 - 14:31:01 »
"Babylon" Satan's choice?

Hmm. I thought Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil. Somehow my faith dictates that & there is absolutely no power to Satan.

That is one good reason why I see Christianity/ the Bible as being a POWERFUL MESSAGE FROM GOD!

But some are still being whooped by some devil. These things shouldn't be. Not for the empowered Christian.


Let me ask you a question....do you still believe in Satan's "power" OR has Christ destroyed what counts- his works?

                                 

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« Reply #10 on: Sun Mar 14, 2010 - 22:27:48 »
Babylon is a mystery wrapped in an enigma. Prophetic Babylon will be just as magnificent as ancient Babylon. Isaiah was very specific, locating the time when his prophecy would be fulfilled. He calls it the "DAY OF THE LORD" (Isa. 13:9) - that is to say, at the end of the "Great Tribulation." Also, he says that when Babylon is destroyed, "The stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light; the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine" (Isa. 13:19; see also Luke 21:25-27).

In the description of the destruction of the city of Babylon given in Revelation 18, we are told that Babylon's destruction will be accomplished in "ONE HOUR" (verse 19). We are told in the same chapter that she is to be destroyed by fire (Rev. 18:8-9, 18) and this is in exact harmony with the words of Isaiah 13:19 and Jeremiah 50:40. In Revelation 16:17-19, we are told that an earthquake will shake the city at the time of its destruction.

Obviously, then, the Babylon that is described in Isaiah 13 and 14, Jeremiah 50 and 51 and in Revelation is not the ancient city of Babylon, but some great "latter-day" nation which by means of its enormous military and economic might will establish its ascendancy over the world. Satan is called the "Prince of this World" (John 12:31; 14:30; 16:11) over which sits Babylon, the city of Satan.

What nation holds all of the military and economic might? Any guesses?

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« Reply #11 on: Mon Mar 15, 2010 - 05:55:19 »
What nation holds all of the military and economic might? Any guesses?

Yeah. Planet America. Just look for the skyscrapers and zombies. Polluted rivers and delusional prophets selling drugs ...

"O, Babylon! I am a useless feeder. Take my life, so I may give you another!" ::bowing::


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« Reply #12 on: Mon Mar 15, 2010 - 14:52:14 »
Babylon is a mystery wrapped in an enigma. Prophetic Babylon will be just as magnificent as ancient Babylon. Isaiah was very specific, locating the time when his prophecy would be fulfilled. He calls it the "DAY OF THE LORD" (Isa. 13:9) - that is to say, at the end of the "Great Tribulation." Also, he says that when Babylon is destroyed, "The stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light; the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine" (Isa. 13:19; see also Luke 21:25-27).

In the description of the destruction of the city of Babylon given in Revelation 18, we are told that Babylon's destruction will be accomplished in "ONE HOUR" (verse 19). We are told in the same chapter that she is to be destroyed by fire (Rev. 18:8-9, 18) and this is in exact harmony with the words of Isaiah 13:19 and Jeremiah 50:40. In Revelation 16:17-19, we are told that an earthquake will shake the city at the time of its destruction.

Obviously, then, the Babylon that is described in Isaiah 13 and 14, Jeremiah 50 and 51 and in Revelation is not the ancient city of Babylon, but some great "latter-day" nation which by means of its enormous military and economic might will establish its ascendancy over the world. Satan is called the "Prince of this World" (John 12:31; 14:30; 16:11) over which sits Babylon, the city of Satan.

What nation holds all of the military and economic might? Any guesses?

I am a full Preterist so i would like to comment on your post bc i do not agree with your using the same Scripture & not knowing fulfilled pov.

Isaiah 13 the prophet uses apocalyptic language (like convulsions in nature) to describe  God destroying ancient Babylon by the Medes. Of course this was fulfilled in BC - i don't have time for my notes.

There are many days of the Lord in Scripture.  Isaiah 13 is about ancient Babylon. Revelation takes some qualities found in "Babylon" as per Jeremiah- but John the apostle calls Jerusalem "Sodom & Egypt" figuratively (Rev.11) But "the place where the Lord was crucified" Literally!- see Rev.11.

Revelation is a book of 7's It repeats itself. But it is the same great tribulation of 31/2 yrs. AD67-70.

The millennium was AD 26-66.  Satan then released for a short time of 42 months after the gospel was preached to every creature under heaven (during the millennium when satan was bound from interfering)

Let's see, the "hour of trial" is more than just one hour. It's an expression of the Lord's. See Rev.3:9-13,
9 Indeed I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie—indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you. 10 Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. 11 Behold, I am coming quickly! Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown. 12 He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name.
13 “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

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« Reply #13 on: Mon Mar 15, 2010 - 18:41:58 »
Well, God didn't destroy Sodom until there were less than 10 righteous ones in it. So i think the theology is a little off there as far as God allowing entire nations to be destroyed bc some in it are willful sinners?  Sounds a bit far-fetched.
Preterism Q & A:
  Who is the woman called Babylon in the book of Revelation?

Answer: The "mother of all prostitutes" - "Babylon the great" is none other than Jerusalem in particular or Israel in general. There are several reasons for this conclusion:

    * She fills herself with the blood of the prophets and saints: Rev. 16:6, 17:6, 18:20, 24. Cf. Matt. 23:37 and Acts 7:52.
    * She is the great city where the Lord was crucified: Revelation 11:8
    * In the Old Testament, the unfaithful Israel was often described as a prostitute or an unfaithful wife: Jer. 2:2, 3:14, Is. 54:5, Jer. 3:20, Hos. 1:2, Ez. 6:9, Ez. 16, Is. 50:1. Isaiah 1:21 describes it as "See how the faithful city has become a harlot."

The clothing of Babylon is especially important in trying to identify her:

    * Dressed in purple, scarlet, gold, precious stones and pearls (Rev. 17:3-5) - an almost exact description of the high priest’s ephod (Ex. 28:5-6, 36)
    * This combination of fabrics and gems also describes the temple tapestry, which, according to Josephus, was "Babylonian tapestry in which blue, purple, scarlet and linen were mingled." (Wars of the Jews 5.5.4)
    * The gold cup she holds (Rev. 17:4) is symbolic of the temple’s implements: "The greatest part of the vessels ... were of silver and gold" (Wars of the Jews 5.4.4.)
    * Josephus’ description of the temple reflects the same opulence: "The outward face of the temple in its front ... was covered all over with plates of gold of great weight, and at the first rising of the sun, reflected back a very fiery splendor, and made those who forced themselves to look upon it to turn their eyes away, just as they would have done at the sun's own rays. But this temple appeared to strangers, when they were at a distance, like a mountain covered with snow; for, as to those parts of it that were not gilt, they were exceeding white." (Wars of the Jews 5.5.6) The inscription on the prostitute’s forehead is a perverse image of that on the high priest’s: "Holy to the Lord."

                                               

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« Reply #14 on: Mon Mar 15, 2010 - 21:23:22 »
I guess I'm gonna have to go read me some Josephus.

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« Reply #15 on: Wed Mar 17, 2010 - 12:18:21 »
Revelations 11:8 ... You dont get the meaning of the verse... you misinterpet it.

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« Reply #16 on: Wed Mar 17, 2010 - 13:32:57 »
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* She is the great city where the Lord was crucified: Revelation 11:8

No, it's a no brainer. Figuratively called "sodom & egypt" literally called "the great city where the Lord was crucified."

There's no great mystery to unravel there. Discern what is plain language & which is "figuratively called" something.


You can't have "all things to happen shortly in Rev.1 & 22 AND NOT have Christ come "in the clouds" in Rev.19 AND the figurative "thousand years" NOt to have represented a time prior to the New Jerusalem "descending from heaven" bc the old Jerusalem was destroyed (in the great tribulation).

After the temple made with hands was destroyed. The New Jerusalem was not free to come while "the old temple was still standing" (Hebrews)

So, all has been fulfilled or one cannot say they are in the New Jerusalem- the church of the Lamb. Your hermeneutic needs updating.




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« Reply #17 on: Wed Mar 17, 2010 - 14:29:43 »

No, it's a no brainer. Figuratively called "sodom & egypt" literally called "the great city where the Lord was crucified."

Yeah. You're correct.
They's peoples in Egypt whom say Jesus was taught there as little tike. They's even a temple where the little jesus is rumored to have stayed. Wouldn't that have be cooooool?  ::cool::

As for where the Christ was Crucified, who knows?  ::rolling::

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« Reply #18 on: Wed Mar 17, 2010 - 15:02:48 »
As for where the Christ was Crucified, who knows?  ::rolling::

Pretty much right here:


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The R&R show you are wrong ... no understanding!

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« Reply #20 on: Wed Mar 17, 2010 - 16:49:36 »
What?  Jesus wasn't crucified at Golgatha?  ???

And how does rest and relaxation prove that?   ::noworries::

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« Reply #21 on: Wed Mar 17, 2010 - 16:59:27 »
Rev 11:8..... my friend..... that.... stuff you and your Gang.... is lost in space..... no understanding.... but apostacy has no limits... does it? When you People call Jerusalem  a wh*re and My Bible calls Jerusalem the APPLe of his EYE.... ........................ very interesting. Who is lead by the Ghost and who is lead by Lucifer.... very interesting ...........
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« Reply #22 on: Wed Mar 17, 2010 - 17:47:23 »
Hi thrice... very interesting.... about the one hour.... the ten kings will be with the Anti for ... Yes one hour.... whaT DO YOU THINK THE TIME  SPAND... IS FOR ONE HOUR... VERY INTERESTING.

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I tHink tIme Spands tOo. 

I thoUght that yeSterday also!

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Babylon will be rebuilt.
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Babylon will be rebuilt.
provide Scripture. At least Scripture will make sense in your posts!

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« Reply #26 on: Wed Mar 17, 2010 - 20:03:55 »
You have no understanding of the Bible..... You have NO GHOST..... Israel is Gods time line... Jesus bless.

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« Reply #28 on: Thu Mar 18, 2010 - 05:53:09 »
Hi thrice... very interesting.... about the one hour.... the ten kings will be with the Anti for ... Yes one hour.... whaT DO YOU THINK THE TIME  SPAND... IS FOR ONE HOUR... VERY INTERESTING.

Truth in You on this Day  ::applause::

He whom does not see the hour = 1998
The one who opens doors with the key = 1998
The one who found the New Jerusalem = 2112
Leiscerbette will not see the hour = 2112
God names the new city, 'Leiscerbette' = 1998
The City of Leiscerbette = 1998
The one who was Crucified =1998
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Hi thrice... very interesting.... about the one hour.... the ten kings will be with the Anti for ... Yes one hour.... whaT DO YOU THINK THE TIME  SPAND... IS FOR ONE HOUR... VERY INTERESTING.

Truth in You on this Day  ::applause::

He whom does not see the hour = 1998
The one who opens doors with the key = 1998
The one who found the New Jerusalem = 2112
Leiscerbette will not see the hour = 2112
God names the new city, 'Leiscerbette' = 1998
The City of Leiscerbette = 1998
The one who was Crucified =1998
::shrug:: ::shrug:: ::shrug:: ::shrug::
Talk about adding or detracting from Scripture! Can you provide Scripture for your dates?





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« Reply #30 on: Thu Mar 18, 2010 - 13:11:42 »
Talk about adding or detracting from Scripture! Can you provide Scripture for your dates?

Revelations 3 'Church of Philadelphia'
I gave none of the dates I know nothing about.
Are you saying Babylon is no longer a choice of satan?

I was merely speaking of the Key of David

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Talk about adding or detracting from Scripture! Can you provide Scripture for your dates?

Revelations 3 'Church of Philadelphia'
I gave none of the dates I know nothing about.
Are you saying Babylon is no longer a choice of satan?

I was merely speaking of the Key of David

I have no clue what you're saying. Some can interpret Biblical prophecy & some can't. I am convinced that it is a gift now which God bestows on someone if they asked or not.

Mystery Babylon in Revelation WAS SATAN'S habitat.  Note the "was" i posted.

Jesus had the keys of Hades & Death. If Jesus has the keys then ALL must bow to Him now or in the afterlife bc "eternal life" can only be obtained through Jesus' promise. A quick note about Revelation is that Hades & Death WERE thrown into hell itself (the lake of fire) so that's probably why there is no death eternal in a literal sense, bc Jesus destroyed Hades & Death.

Anyway, Yes, the harlot Jerusalem had become a habitat of demons. Jesus predicted this during His ministry. Jerusalem would "fill up" her measure of sins- by not only admitting their father's guilt of killing the prophets & saints that God sent to warn her into repentance about but now (in Jesus day) these Jews would fill up the measure up to their bosom by scourging a killing the apostles & saints of God too! (Not to mention crucifying the King of Light!)

But Satan would be done with after he deceived Gog & Magog (enemies of God) into killing & trying to kill ALL God's saints.

Yes, Satan was in Jerusalem in particular as "the false prophet" (Pharisees & Scribes)
Josephus tells us of the atrocities committed even by his own countrymen (Jews in Israel)
The Judaizers were a major problem for Peter, Paul & John, etc.

Matt.23:29-36 NKJV,
29 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous, 30 and say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.’
31 “Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers’ guilt. 33 Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell? 34 Therefore, indeed, I send you prophets, wise men, and scribes: some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city, 35 that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.


You "see" the picture of the Harlot in Rev.17 with the cup of abominations in her hand? That first century Israel. She had Jewish populations in every major city throughout the Roman empire. She sat on "Rome" the Beast. Had an good relationship & was able to trade freely from the temple, do their religious practices, etc. until..... the Jews rebelled.
Then all hell breaks loose (literally!)  The first "beast of Revelation" Romans, turn on the harlot & literally burn her with fire. However, some of God's elect would escape (blessed is he who comes to the 1335 day!~ Daniel 12)


Rev.2:9-11, 9 “I know your works, tribulation, and poverty (but you are rich); and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan. 10 Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.
11 “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death.

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« Reply #32 on: Fri Mar 19, 2010 - 15:22:02 »
.......

The "Judaizers" were the "thorn" in Paul's side.  Satan represented an actual enemy in the world "natural."  But Scripture still states that Satan was thrown into the Lake of fire in AD70.(after the great tribulation on Israel AD 67-70.)

Hey, rezar. I founds anot'r script're!  ::nodding::

Jeremiah 23:5    "The days are coming," declares the LORD,
                       'when I will raise up to David a RIGHTEOUS BRANCH,
                        a King who will reign wisely
                        and do what is just and right in the land.

                        In his days Judah will be saved
                        and Israel will live in safety.
                        This is the name by which he will be called:
                        The LORD Our Righteousness'..."

So, if Israel (Specifically, "Jerusalem") is Babylon, this scripture says that 'Babylon' will live in safety when Jesus "The Branch of David" Returns

Isaiah 22:22 "Branch"
Isaiah 11:1 "Branch"
Revelations 3 "Branch"


PS- Maybe I don't think it's jerusalem or rome, it's planet america/ 'DEV'IDED NATIONS, cuz we need the King of Kings to set this rock on solid truth, ya'll!! ::afro::

I am the way the truth and the light = 1998
I am the way and the truth and the light = 2112
The one whom is the Angel of Leiscerbette = 2112
The one who found the New Jerusalem = 2112
He whom lies behind the opened door = 1818
He who is the Leiscerbettian King = 1818
Leiscerbette is the All Seeing Eye = 1818
The one having the keys to the temple =2160
The one having the key to Leiscerbette =2160


PS- But the numbers are not the prophecy of Leiscerbette  ::frown::
 
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« Reply #33 on: Fri Mar 19, 2010 - 16:52:48 »
RalphM,
St. Paul said in Romans 9,
Israel’s Rejection and God’s Purpose
   
6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.

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This is GOOD!