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Baptists on Matthew 24
« on: Sun Mar 03, 2013 - 12:29:21 »
John Gill and Charles H. Spurgeon are great names back in our Baptist ancestry.  What did they think of the prophecy in Matthew 24:1-35?

John Gill in his commentary on Matthew 24:34
"till all these things were fulfilled; see #Mt 16:28 as many did, and as there is reason to believe they might, and must, since all these things had their accomplishment, in and about forty years after this: and certain it is, that John, one of the disciples of Christ, outlived the time by many years; and, as Dr. Lightfoot observes, many of the Jewish doctors now living, when Christ spoke these words, lived until the city was destroyed; as Rabban Simeon, who perished with it, R. Jochanan ben Zaccai, who outlived it, R.  Zadoch, R. Ishmael, and others: this is a full and clear proof, that not anything that is said before, relates to the second coming of Christ, the day of judgment, and end of the world; but that all belong to the coming of the Son of Man, in the destruction of Jerusalem, and to the end of the Jewish state."

Charles Haddon Spurgeon on this passage:
 “So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.” The Revised Version has the words, “Know ye that he is
nigh,” the Son of man, the King. His own nation rejected him when he came in mercy; so his next coming would be a time of terrible judgment and
retribution to his guilty capital. Oh, that Jews and Gentiles today were wise enough to learn the lesson of that fiery trial, and to seek his face, whose wrath they cannot bear!  The King left his followers in no doubt as to when these things should happen: “Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass till all these things be fulfilled."
It is just about the ordinary limit of a generation when the Roman armies compassed Jerusalem, whose measure of iniquity was then full, and overflowed in misery, agony, distress, and bloodshed such as the world never saw before or since. Jesus was a true Prophet; everything that he foretold was literally fulfilled. He confirmed what he had already said, and what he was about to say, by a solemn affirmation: “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
The Word of the Lord endureth for ever,” and though that Lord appeared in fashion as a man, and was shortly to be crucified as a malefactor, his words would endure when heaven and earth would have fulfilled the purpose for which he had created them, and passed away. Christ’s promises of pardon are as sure of fulfillment as his prophecies of punishment; no word of his shall ever “pass away.”

36. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. There is a manifest change in our Lord’s words here, which clearly indicates that they refer to his last great coming to judgment: “But of thatday and hour knoweth no man.” Some would be prophets have wrested this verse from its evident meaning by saying, “Though we do not know the day and the hour of Christ’s coming, we may know the year, the
month, and even the week.” If this method of “renting the words of Jesus is not blasphemous, it is certainly foolish, and betrays disloyalty to the King. "

I was raised in a fundamentalist, Baptist church on the Scofield Bible and I heard quotes of Spurgeon all the time from the pulpit.  Yet, I was taught that Matt. 24 referred to a 7-year "great tribulation" period in my future, following a rapture of the church. This was supposed to the "old time religion" long before modernism crept in!  hahahaha......  what a farce that is!

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Re: Baptists on Matthew 24
« Reply #1 on: Sat Mar 30, 2013 - 03:48:11 »
So just wondering who do you think the "He" is in Daniel 9:27. Glenn? By the capital h I think you can tell who I think it refers too.

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« Reply #2 on: Sat Mar 30, 2013 - 04:39:57 »
So just wondering who do you think the "He" is in Daniel 9:27. Glenn? By the capital h I think you can tell who I think it refers too.

"And he shall confirm the covenant with many" Verse 27

The word "confirm" is literally "to make strong" (from the Heb. gabar). The covenant is the Abrahamic, which awaited the offering
of Christ in order to make it sure (Gen 22). Paul explains that Jesus Christ "confirmed the promises made unto the fathers" (See Rom. 15:8),

So in one way you are correct regarding the He, but to ignore the Son of God in this work may not sit well with the Father.

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« Reply #3 on: Sat Mar 30, 2013 - 04:51:27 »
John Gill and Charles H. Spurgeon are great names back in our Baptist ancestry.  What did they think of the prophecy in Matthew 24:1-35?

John Gill in his commentary on Matthew 24:34
"till all these things were fulfilled; see #Mt 16:28 as many did, and as there is reason to believe they might, and must, since all these things had their accomplishment, in and about forty years after this:


Gill was right to believe AD70 was the fulfilment of the Olivet Prophecy. Sadly too much of its content is applied to later day times.

Gill often overlooked the significance of these event, though he often made mention of them in his work.  For instance "40 years" is the period of probation.  It was for Israel in the wilderness and Isaac after he was offered up it was at the age of 40 when he sought to take his wife Rebekah.

You may like to consider how many forty year periods are mentioned within the Word of God and their great significance.

For Israel there would be no salvation, no avoiding the ravages of the Roman armies. The ferocity of the siege in AD70 was as a result of the constant revolts that Jewish insurrectionists had maintained over the previous forty years.

If one has spiritual sight you can see in the book of Hebrews and Romans all the significant warnings of impending judgement.

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John Gill and Charles H. Spurgeon are great names back in our Baptist ancestry.  What did they think of the prophecy in Matthew 24:1-35?

John Gill in his commentary on Matthew 24:34
"till all these things were fulfilled; see #Mt 16:28 as many did, and as there is reason to believe they might, and must, since all these things had their accomplishment, in and about forty years after this: and certain it is, that John, one of the disciples of Christ, outlived the time by many years; and, as Dr. Lightfoot observes, many of the Jewish doctors now living, when Christ spoke these words, lived until the city was destroyed; as Rabban Simeon, who perished with it, R. Jochanan ben Zaccai, who outlived it, R.  Zadoch, R. Ishmael, and others: this is a full and clear proof, that not anything that is said before, relates to the second coming of Christ, the day of judgment, and end of the world; but that all belong to the coming of the Son of Man, in the destruction of Jerusalem, and to the end of the Jewish state."

Charles Haddon Spurgeon on this passage:
 “So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.” The Revised Version has the words, “Know ye that he is
nigh,” the Son of man, the King. His own nation rejected him when he came in mercy; so his next coming would be a time of terrible judgment and
retribution to his guilty capital. Oh, that Jews and Gentiles today were wise enough to learn the lesson of that fiery trial, and to seek his face, whose wrath they cannot bear!  The King left his followers in no doubt as to when these things should happen: “Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass till all these things be fulfilled."
It is just about the ordinary limit of a generation when the Roman armies compassed Jerusalem, whose measure of iniquity was then full, and overflowed in misery, agony, distress, and bloodshed such as the world never saw before or since. Jesus was a true Prophet; everything that he foretold was literally fulfilled. He confirmed what he had already said, and what he was about to say, by a solemn affirmation: “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
The Word of the Lord endureth for ever,” and though that Lord appeared in fashion as a man, and was shortly to be crucified as a malefactor, his words would endure when heaven and earth would have fulfilled the purpose for which he had created them, and passed away. Christ’s promises of pardon are as sure of fulfillment as his prophecies of punishment; no word of his shall ever “pass away.”

36. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. There is a manifest change in our Lord’s words here, which clearly indicates that they refer to his last great coming to judgment: “But of thatday and hour knoweth no man.” Some would be prophets have wrested this verse from its evident meaning by saying, “Though we do not know the day and the hour of Christ’s coming, we may know the year, the
month, and even the week.” If this method of “renting the words of Jesus is not blasphemous, it is certainly foolish, and betrays disloyalty to the King. "

I was raised in a fundamentalist, Baptist church on the Scofield Bible and I heard quotes of Spurgeon all the time from the pulpit.  Yet, I was taught that Matt. 24 referred to a 7-year "great tribulation" period in my future, following a rapture of the church. This was supposed to the "old time religion" long before modernism crept in!  hahahaha......  what a farce that is!

OK, that's a farce.  Tell us what you actually do believe.   Are you a dominionist?  Are you a soul-sleeper?  A keep-your-fingers-crossed and hope-for-the-best sort of guy?  Are you pan-millennial and you believe it will all pan out?  Anybody can make a claim.  Where's the beef?