Wow, rezar, I do miss the full preterists on this site!
God is in us and some don't acknowledge his spiritual kingdom now.
WOW lea, You had to revive an 11 year old thread to bolster your points , or is it to
hopefully revive someone to your side?
One thing I do find of interest in this post is the historical mentions.....
Quote from: rezar on Tue Sep 01, 2009 - 19:41:29
I can't figure whether you're angry bc preterists are right about Biblical eschatology & you're not, or you're perturbed bc Jesus is not coming again?!- Jesus is already within us in Spirit. Yet you seem to want to drive the car in reverse.
Josephus (A.D. 75) - Jewish Historian
"Besides these [signs], a few days after that feast, on the one- and-twentieth day of the month Artemisius, [Jyar,] a certain prodigious and incredible phenomenon appeared; I suppose the account of it would seem to be a fable, were it not related by those that saw it, and were not the events that followed it of so considerable a nature as to deserve such signals; for, before sun-setting, chariots and troops of soldiers in their armour were seen running about among the clouds, and surrounding of cities. Moreover, at that feast which we call Pentecost, as the priests were going by night into the inner [court of the] temple, as their custom was, to perform their sacred ministrations, they said that, in the first place, they felt a quaking, and heard a great noise, and after that they heard a sound as of a great multitude, saying, "Let us remove hence" (Jewish Wars, VI-V-3).
Tacitus (A.D. 115) - Roman historian
"13. Prodigies had occurred, but their expiation by the offering of victims or solemn vows is held to be unlawful by a nation which is the slave of superstition and the enemy of true beliefs. In the sky appeared a vision of armies in conflict, of glittering armour. A sudden lightning flash from the clouds lit up the Temple. The doors of the holy place abruptly opened, a superhuman voice was heard to declare that the gods were leaving it, and in the same instant came the rushing tumult of their departure. " (Histories, Book 5, v. 13).
Eusebius of Caesarea (A.D. 325)
"For before the setting of the sun chariots and armed troops were seen throughout the whole region in mid-air, wheeling through the clouds and encircling the cities" (Eusebius' Ecclesiastical History, Book 3, Ch. 8).
We have been asking and asking and this is oh so close, but not on the mark.
Have you noticed ...These do describe the visions/ dreams of these men as to the actual destruction of the temple.
But they do not talk of anything as is laidout in the book of Revelation that would be such that you could confirm Jesus wasanywhere in the mx,eiter in person or spiritually.
Josephus' account is the most believable because according to this he wrote it only 5 years after the destruction, and was obviously an eye witness.
Tacitus came about in c 115 AD. It is not clear, by this portion if he had been
an eye witness, or if he was just putting to parchment things being said as they passed down by generation. You can look it up and clarify. I am not going to as I am not making your case for you.
But while you are at it....Clarify this please...
In the sky appeared a vision
( kind of like Johns, though written long after) of armies in conflict, of glittering armour. A sudden lightning flash from the clouds lit up the Temple. The doors of the holy place abruptly opened, a superhuman voice was heard to declare that the gods were leaving it, and in the same instant came the rushing tumult of their departure.
Such confusion. Seems as if this was Satan's superhuman voice declaring the demons were leaving it and out they came. This is not God'ssuper human voice as no one with in the temple would have been gods ( plural) as He would be the only one... ( Yet note this - The original Greek word daimon does not carry negative connotations. The Ancient Greek word δαίμων daimōn denotes a spirit or divine power
, much like the Latin genius or numen ...so could be that it was and likely is demonsleaving.)SO WE ARE SAFE TO SAY THIS IS NOT A HISTORICAL ACCOUNT.... SCRATCH IT!
Eusebius of Caesarea (A.D. 325)
"For before the setting of the sun chariots and armed troops were seen throughout the whole region in mid-air, wheeling through the clouds and encircling the cities" (Eusebius' Ecclesiastical History, Book 3, Ch. 8)
I still want a dog named Eusebius......
Generations past 70AD and we have a hand me down account of someones vision.
His? John's? But no linking of this to 70AD andno linking of Jesus oranything else
much from Rev that said the endisover and donewith.
Sorry, lea, Still no proof..........