Christian safe-haven in British Columbia

[Samuels]

We are serious Christians who the Lord has led to start up an end-times
safe-haven community of believers in central British Columbia.
And we are looking for like-minded people to join us.

[Samuels]

Heads Up
I have posted the OP on several Christian forums,
and not even one person has said:
they have prayed to the Lord about this, and have been told
to go to a safe-haven ... or not to go to one!
So, it might be safe to say that most responses to the OP
have been in the flesh (i.e. not in the Spirit).

[Samuels]

The Lord has told us that we will be pulling a small RV behind our AWD as we
go in and out of the safe-haven to minister to non-believers and believers also.
I'm actually thinking now that a major reason for the safe-haven
might just be as a protected home-base for our evangelizing!!!

[Alan]

I think an end times safe haven is slightly over the top, but if you feel that we're on the brink of Armageddon than all the best to you.

[Samuels]

I think an end times safe haven is slightly over the top, but if you feel that we're on the brink of Armageddon than all the best to you.

All we care about is that God does not think it's over the top ...
otherwise He wouldn't be directing us to do it with specific instructions
on what part to play in all of it.
E.G. we get to choose which property to buy
and we get to fork over the down payment.

[Samuels]

So far, I have NOT heard from anyone
who has prayed to the Lord about our promise
that He has directed us to start up a safe-haven
in the general area of a major city in North-Central BC.
 
No one has said that he/she has prayed and was told
"They have heard correctly from Me."
or ...
"They have NOT heard correctly from Me."
 
Simple.

[4WD]

So far, I have NOT heard from anyone
who has prayed to the Lord about our promise
that He has directed us to start up a safe-haven
in the general area of a major city in North-Central BC.
 
No one has said that he/she has prayed and was told
"They have heard correctly from Me."
or ...
"They have NOT heard correctly from Me."
 
Simple.

If He has directed you to do that, then what would you possibly need prayers to the Lord about?

[Samuels]

If He has directed you to do that, then what would you possibly need prayers to the Lord about?

On several Christian forums ...
I have received many negative posts about going to our God-directed safe-haven,
and NO posts from anyone who has claimed to have prayed about it.
Razbeerishlee? <<< Bulgarian for, "Do you understand?"

[RB]

On several Christian forums ...I have received many negative posts about going to our God-directed safe-haven,

Sir, that seems to me your answer from heaven. I would beware of thinking

The Lord has told us that we will be pulling a small RV behind our AWD

God has never spoken to me in my almost fifty years of being a believer. The only voice I hear is from reading the scriptures.

Acts 13:27~"For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him."

God speaks through His word and in no other manner under this present dispensation. 

[Samuels]

God speaks through His word and in no other manner
under this present dispensation.

Thou art most grievously deceived by your church and by Satan.
Where does it say that much in the epistles is not for today?

Please take heed ...
1 Cor 13:10 is referring to when Jesus comes back ... not when the Canon comes!
Heads Up: Praise God ... MOST of the old denominations NOW believe this! ... Finally.

[4WD]

Thou art most grievously deceived by your church and by Satan.
Where does it say that much in the epistles is not for today?

Please take heed ...
1 Cor 13:10 is referring to when Jesus comes back ... not when the Canon comes!
Heads Up: Praise God ... MOST of the old denominations NOW believe this! ... Finally.

I think just ordinary observation of those who make the claim as you have are found again and again to be in error.  If God is actually speaking to anyone today He doesn't do a very good job of confirming it.

[DaveW]

I think just ordinary observation of those who make the claim as you have are found again and again to be in error.  If God is actually speaking to anyone today He doesn't do a very good job of confirming it.

And why exactly does He need to do that?  Why make HIM prove Himself? 

Hebrews 11:6
And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.

Romans 10:17  NKJV
So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word** of God

** greek rehma = SPOKEN word, not written

[4WD]

And why exactly does He need to do that?  Why make HIM prove Himself? 

It is not making Him prove Himself; rather it is making the professed prophesier prove himself.  That happened routinely throughout the Bible.  Even with Jesus, it was in the miracles He performed that God identified Him.  The Apostles similarly did signs, wonders and miracles to prove they spoke God's word.  And those given the authority to prophesy demonstrated that authority by speaking in tongues.   For anyone to come in here and announce that God has spoken to them without being able to actually prove it is more than a little presumptive.

My response to anyone who tells me that God spoke to them saying this or that is that God spoke to me telling me to ignore them.

And by the way, that has nothing whatsoever to do with faith.

[Jaime]

Also it is prudent to test the spirits. What better counterfeit opportunity for Satan than to whisper in someone’s ear.

[DaveW]

Also it is prudent to test the spirits. What better counterfeit opportunity for Satan than to whisper in someone’s ear.

That is true.  TEST!

[DaveW]

And by the way, that has nothing whatsoever to do with faith.

If faith comes from hearing God's voice, it has everything to do with it.

[Jaime]

Dave, Reminds me of my daighters when they were little. The oldest one told the other one that God said to share your toys. The younger one put her hand on her hip and declared that God said for you to find something else to play with.

[Jaime]

What do we test the spirits WITH Dave?

Maybe the Word of God?

[DaveW]

Dave, Reminds me of my daighters when they were little. The oldest one told the other one that God said to share your toys. The younger one put her hand on her hip and declared that God said for you to find something else to play with.

Sounds like a good reason to test. 

Adapted from a Derek Prince booklet on judging prophecy:  (works equally well for personal words)


1    The end purpose of all true prophecy is to build up, to admonish and to encourage the people of God. Anything that is not directed to that end is not true prophecy. (1 Corinthians 14:3)
2    All true prophecy agrees with the letter and the spirit of the Scriptures. (2 Timothy 3:16)
3    All true prophecy centers in Jesus Christ and exalts and glorifies him. (John 16:13)
4    True prophecy produces fruit in character and conduct that agrees with the fruit of the Holy Spirit. (Galatians 5:22)
5    If a prophetic revelation contains predictions concerning the future, are these predictions fulfilled? If not, the revelation is not from God. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22)
6    The fact that a person makes a prediction concerning the future which is fulfilled does not necessarily prove that person is a true prophet. If such a person, by his ministry, turns others away from obedience to the one true God, then that person is a false prophet, even if he makes correct predictions concerning the future. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5)
7    True prophecy, given by the Holy Spirit, produces liberty and not bondage. (2 Corinthians 3:6)
8    True prophecy, given by the Holy Spirit, gives life and not death. (2 Cor. 3:6)
9    True prophecy, given by the Holy Spirit, is attested by the Holy Spirit within each believer who hears it. (1 John 2:27)

https://stevekelly.tv/how-to-judge-a-prophecy/

PRMI has a similar list that is a bit more extensive.  I cannot find a link to it right now.

[Samuels]

During all of the years I was on many Christian forums,
I experienced many people who chose to reject NT verses!
Especially those verses which condemned those
in the church who were involved in habitual sin.
They preferred the so-called OSAS eternal security verses.
But, praise God, they can repent and return to Him!
 
So, I am not the least bit surprised to encounter people
on Christian forums today who reject the fact that
God personally speaks to His born-again people.
My goodness, He even speaks to non-believers,
especially when He is calling them to Himself
(I experienced this myself big-time in 1980.)

[RB]

Thou art most grievously deceived by your church and by Satan.

First of all~I'm not affiliated with any known public place of worship. If you are, then that's between you and the God of heaven, but I for one have left the professing churches that have for the most part forsaken God and his word.

Where does it say that much in the epistles is not for today?

Since you asked:

Hebrews 1:1,2~"God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

In the OT God spoke in DIVERS manners unto the fathers by the prophets~NEVER did he speak directly to the fathers, only through the prophets.

Yet in OUR DAYS under the NT, he speaks to us THROUGH THE SON using the scriptures to speak unto us. Not one instance in the NT churches do we ever read where the saints ever profess that God spoke to them independently and outside the scriptures, if you believe otherwise then PROVE IT.  Men who believe as you do can override what the scriptures command us to do, by just saying they have a NEW MESSAGE from heaven like Joseph Smith and others have done, which we KNOW that they are liars and thieves.  What we believe and teach, we MUST get our support, not from visions, dreams, and voices, but from the word of the living God where saints can test the truthfulness of their words~hearing voices usually comes from a deceived heart that is full of pride as though they are someone special hearing God's voice when other saints walk BY FAITH. You have been listening to folks like Jimmy Swaggart who just about every time he wants to add to his lustful ways of building up his own name tells his people and others who are void of the Spirit of God and willing to follow him that God said this or that to him as though he were special and above other saints.

Please take heed ...1 Cor 13:10 is referring to when Jesus comes back ... not when the Canon comes!

Okay, I agree, yet WHERE in 1st Corinthians 14 does it tells us that God speaks to us independently and outside the scriptures? Give me proof.

Heads Up: Praise God ... MOST of the old denominations NOW believe this! ... Finally.

One word for you:

Galatians 1:8~"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed."

I do not follow denominations, spirits, or even an angel from heaven~but the word of the Living God, the only source of TRUTH, that is, spiritual truths. Dreams, visions, revelations of any sort, hearing God's voice, can come from a deceived heart that is WITHIN man.

[RB]

So, I am not the least bit surprised to encounter people  on Christian forums today who reject the fact that God personally speaks to His born-again people. My goodness, He even speaks to non-believers, especially when He is calling them to Himself (I experienced this myself big-time in 1980.)

I'm not impressed by what you think you heard, and neither is any sound believer who walks by faith and not by the voices he thinks he is hearing. It is nothing more than his proud heart speaking to him!

My goodness

Btw, you have NO GOODNESS of your own, that's almost blasphemy and making light of Jesus' goodness.

[Jaime]

Dave, to me prophecying is WAY more than predicting the future or foretelling. It is FORTH telling like any preacher of the Word of God would do. If something is forthtold or preached and it lines up with scripture, it is true. It has little to do with time or day of an event.

[RB]

Dave, to me prophecying is WAY more than predicting the future or foretelling. It is FORTH telling like any preacher of the Word of God would do. If something is forthtold or preached and it lines up with scripture, it is true. It has little to do with time or day of an event

Amen brother

[4WD]

If faith comes from hearing God's voice, it has everything to do with it.

Romans 10:17 doesn't say anything about hearing God's voice.  Although I am not a fan of the NIV, I do think in this instance it does give the best translation/interpretation:  Rom 10:17  Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ.   And where precisely are we to find that message except in God's word, the Bible?  Certainly not in every Tom, Dick and Harry that comes along saying that God is speaking to them.

[RB]

First of all~I'm not affiliated with any known public place of worship. If you are, then that's between you and the God of heaven, but I for one have left the professing churches that have for the most part forsaken God and his word. Since you asked: In the OT God spoke in DIVERS manners unto the fathers by the prophets~NEVER did he speak directly to the fathers, only through the prophets.

Yet in OUR DAYS under the NT, he speaks to us THROUGH THE SON using the scriptures to speak unto us. Not one instance in the NT churches do we ever read where the saints ever profess that God spoke to them independently and outside the scriptures, if you believe otherwise then PROVE IT.  Men who believe as you do can override what the scriptures command us to do, by just saying they have a NEW MESSAGE from heaven like Joseph Smith and others have done, which we KNOW that they are liars and thieves.  What we believe and teach, we MUST get our support, not from visions, dreams, and voices, but from the word of the living God where saints can test the truthfulness of their words~hearing voices usually comes from a deceived heart that is full of pride as though they are someone special hearing God's voice when other saints walk BY FAITH. You have been listening to folks like Jimmy Swaggart who just about every time he wants to add to his lustful ways of building up his own name tells his people and others who are void of the Spirit of God and willing to follow him that God said this or that to him as though he were special and above other saints. Okay, I agree, yet WHERE in 1st Corinthians 14 does it tells us that God speaks to us independently and outside the scriptures? Give me proof. One word for you:I do not follow denominations, spirits, or even an angel from heaven~but the word of the Living God, the only source of TRUTH, that is, spiritual truths. Dreams, visions, revelations of any sort, hearing God's voice, can come from a deceived heart that is WITHIN man.

Even last week, while watching SBN (Jimmy Swaggart's TV Station, and one of his old Crusades about 35 years ago) I heard SW say that he was caught up unto heaven and saw God and Jesus at his right hand. He had tears flowing from his eyes while telling his audience that he said to God...."I'm not worthy to be here, yet God told him that he was!" Such a wicked statement should be easily seen to be false if only people knew their bibles just a little bit. NO MAN has ever seen God, neither any angel! God is a Spirit dwelling in a light that is impossible for man or angel to be able to behold his INFINITE GLORY, which includes all of his infinite attributes. He was seen for the first time in the person of His Son, Jesus Christ.

1st Timothy 3:16~"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

"God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels"~which only could mean for the FIRST time ever. We shall see God ONLY in the person of Jesus Christ and in NO OTHER WAY possible.

[DaveW]

Dave, to me prophecying is WAY more than predicting the future or foretelling. It is FORTH telling like any preacher of the Word of God would do. If something is forthtold or preached and it lines up with scripture, it is true. It has little to do with time or day of an event.

Indeed.  Your understanding lines up well with the Jewish understanding of the term. To prophesy is to say what God has on His mind for NOW. 

That is why books like Joshua and Kings are listed as "Prophets" while Daniel is not.

Forecasting the future is a very small part of prophecy.

[Samuels]

Not one instance in the NT churches do we ever read where the saints ever profess that
God spoke to them independently and outside the scriptures, if you believe otherwise then PROVE IT.

Several times in Acts, Luke says that Paul, Barnabus, etc. did NOT go to a certain area
because God's Spirit forbade them to go there!
This is called God NOT releasing a believer to say or do something that he/she desires to do.
The opposite of this occurs when the Holy Spirit tells a believer to say or do something.

Of course, if your church and/or Satan has deceived you into believing otherwise,
you probably will have a very difficult time in "seeing" the truth about this.

Lord, open RB's (and others') minds and spirits to the truth that
You speak to people today (believers and non-believers both)!

[DaveW]

Not one instance in the NT churches do we ever read where the saints ever profess that God spoke to them independently and outside the scriptures, if you believe otherwise then PROVE IT.

1 Corinthians 14:24 But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever or an ungifted man enters, he is convicted by all, he is called to account by all; 25 the secrets of his heart are disclosed; and so he will fall on his face and worship God, declaring that God is certainly among you.

Do you think that "the secrets of his heart," that one specific man with a unique set of specific secrets, has a list somewhere in scripture that is EXACTLY his list? 

I have seen that happen on a few occasions.

[4WD]

Lord, open RB's (and others') minds and spirits to the truth that
You speak to people today (believers and non-believers both)!

Samuels, it is not about God opening minds and spirits to the truth that He speaks to people today.  It is about God demonstrating with signs, wonders and miracles that He has spoken to the one performing those signs, wonders and miracles.  While such signs, wonders and miracles often produced very remarkable results such as healing the blind, raising the dead, etc., the real purpose of all of them was to authenticate the doer of those signs, wonders and miracles as one from God.  And as such what he spoke was from God.  Anyone professing to have received words directly from God who is not able to produce the requisite authorization is to be rejected.

[Samuels]

Lord, open 4WD's (and others') minds and spirits to the truth that
You speak to people today (believers and non-believers both)!
He speaks to both, and there is no known prerequisite for such speaking.

As per always, the Lord does what He desires ... for whatever His reason.
He does not answer to the corrupt thoughts and words of the spiritually ignorant.
Yes, praise God for that!

[Texas Conservative]

Lord, open 4WD's (and others') minds and spirits to the truth that
You speak to people today (believers and non-believers both)!
He speaks to both, and there is no known prerequisite for such speaking.

As per always, the Lord does what He desires ... for whatever His reason.
He does not answer to the corrupt thoughts and words of the spiritually ignorant.
Yes, praise God for that!

Luke 18:11b,12

‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’

[Samuels]

 To learn spiritual Truth from God …
 our hearts need to be OPEN to hearing spiritual Truth!
 I.E. they must not be CLOSED due to belief in false doctrines.
 
 Who needs to follow God’s promptings to go to one of His safe-havens
 when people continue to feel safe in their false doctrines!
 
 On a different subject
 Let’s see who is actually righteous in God’s eyes!
 Yes, you were declared righteous the second you were born-again,
 but your righteousness needs to be maintained (continued)
 to God’s satisfaction! ... For example …
 It is NOT acceptable to be a habitual sinner (one who does NOT
 repent of his ongoing sins and who fails to overcome them).
 Such people cannot be part of the kingdom of God ...
 1 Corinthians 6:9-20,  Galatians 5:19-21, Ephesians 5:3-6.
 And don't forget my current favorite > Revelation 21:8,
 which says habitual sinners get thrown into the lake of fire!
 Are you so deceived that you believe ...
Christians CAN get away with what non-believers CANNOT get away with?

 Romans 6:16-19, NKJV
 ODEDIENCE >>> RIGHTEOUSNESS >>> HOLINESS
 “Do you not know that
 to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey,
 you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether
 (slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, OR
 (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness?
 ... so now present your members as
 slaves of righteousness for holiness.”
 
 1 John 3:7, NKJV
 PRACTICING RIGHTEOUSNESS >>> RIGHTEOUSNESS
 “Little children, let no one deceive you.
 He who practices righteousness is righteous,
 just as He is righteous.”

[Cobalt1959]

Sir, that seems to me your answer from heaven. I would beware of thinking

God has never spoken to me in my almost fifty years of being a believer. The only voice I hear is from reading the scriptures.

God speaks through His word and in no other manner under this present dispensation.

Then as well as Grace thru Faith, it would seem you have no need of the Holy Spirit either.  He certainly does not operate in the wigged-out way that Pentecostals claim, but He most certainly is not silent either.  So if the Holy Spirit isn't speaking to you in some way, you should be asking yourself why.  50 years?  That is a long time for someone Christ said He would send to us, as believers, to not speak to you at all. 

As for the content of this thread, if you know that this is something you are supposed to do, per the Holy Spirit, why do you need outside confirmation?

[Texas Conservative]

Looks like Alberta needs a safe haven.