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Compare two comings of Christ:
« on: Thu Aug 02, 2018 - 16:51:45 »
We are all but an infinitesimal part of one marvelous and stupendous whole; a whole whose body we call nature and who’s soul is of God.

Do Scriptures declare and prove that the day of the Lord and the catching away of the body of Christ are two very different events?  They do! read the following and compare the vast contrast between these two very different events. In each of the following cases, the LORD is addressing the Jews,

Amos 5:18-20 says “Woe to you who desire the day of the Lord! For what good is the day of the Lord to you? It will be darkness, and not light. It will be as though a man fled from a lion, and a bear met him! Or as though he went into the house, leaned his hand on the wall, and a serpent bit him! Is not the day of the Lord darkness, and not light? Is it not very dark, with no brightness in it?”

Isaiah 13:9, “The day of the Lord” as “Cruel, with both wrath and fierce anger.”

Jeremiah 46:10, “A day of vengeance, that He (the LORD) may avenge Himself on His adversaries.”

Joel 2:11 reads, “The day of the Lord is great and very terrible;” adding, “Who can endure it?”

Malachi 3:2 expands on Joel saying, “But who can endure the day of His coming? And who can stand when He appears? For He is like a refiner’s fire and like launderers soap.”

Joel 2:1-2, “For the day of the LORD is coming, for it is at hand: A day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness, like the morning clouds spread over the mountains.”

Now let’s compare and contrast the following with the above.

This statement in Amos 5:18, “Woe to you who desire the day of the Lord” stands in stark contrast with the statement made in.

2 Timothy 4:8 that the Lord will give “the crown of righteousness” to all who “have loved His appearing.”

Amos 15, clearly states God’s displeasure with anyone desiring “The day of the Lord,” and another scripture just as clearly states his pleasure with those who “Have loved His appearing.” This should show any serious student of the Bible that these scriptures are speaking of two very different events.

The following contrast the lost from the saved,

The Lost, Malachi 3:2, “Who can endure the day of His coming?” is essentially different from the exhortation found in,

1 John 2:28, “And now, little children, abide in Him, that when He appears, we may have confidence and not be ashamed before Him at His coming.”

One clearly shows that no one “Can endure the day of His coming,” while another scripture just as clearly states, it’s possible to, “Have confidence and not be ashamed before Him at His coming.” These verses cannot be speaking of the same event.

Malachi 3:2, “Who can stand when He appears?” is radically different from the exhortation in,

Luke 21:36, “Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.” What things? Answer, the 7 years of tribulation.

No contradiction here; we have observed before, one verse clearly shows that no one “Can stand when He appears,” while another tells us to “Pray that you may be counted worthy... to stand before the Son of Man.”

The two following verses stand in stark contrast to the exhortation found in Titus,

The two following verses stand in stark contrast to the exhortation found in Titus,
 
Joel 2:2 reveals, “The day of the Lord” is “A day of darkness and gloominess, A day of clouds and thick darkness,”

Amos 5:20 reads, “Is not the day of the Lord darkness, and not light? Is it not very dark, with no brightness in it?”

Titus 2:13 that we should be “Looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ.”

One scripture very clearly teaches that the gloominess of “The day of the Lord” will be so great that there will be “No brightness in it.” While another verse says his “glorious appearing” is our “blessed hope.”

Zechariah 14:4, “And his (the LORD’S) feet shall stand in that day (day of the LORD) upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.” Compare with,

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven” --- Verse 17, “Then we --- shall be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
You can draw your own conclusions from the above.
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Re: Compare two comings of Christ:
« Reply #1 on: Thu Aug 02, 2018 - 16:53:28 »
We are all but an infinitesimal part of one marvelous and stupendous whole; a whole whose body we call nature and who’s soul is of God.

Do Scriptures declare and prove that the day of the Lord and the catching away of the body of Christ are two very different events?  They do! read the following and compare the vast contrast between these two very different events. In each of the following cases, the LORD is addressing the Jews,

Amos 5:18-20 says “Woe to you who desire the day of the Lord! For what good is the day of the Lord to you? It will be darkness, and not light. It will be as though a man fled from a lion, and a bear met him! Or as though he went into the house, leaned his hand on the wall, and a serpent bit him! Is not the day of the Lord darkness, and not light? Is it not very dark, with no brightness in it?”

Isaiah 13:9, “The day of the Lord” as “Cruel, with both wrath and fierce anger.”

Jeremiah 46:10, “A day of vengeance, that He (the LORD) may avenge Himself on His adversaries.”

Joel 2:11 reads, “The day of the Lord is great and very terrible;” adding, “Who can endure it?”

Malachi 3:2 expands on Joel saying, “But who can endure the day of His coming? And who can stand when He appears? For He is like a refiner’s fire and like launderers soap.”

Joel 2:1-2, “For the day of the LORD is coming, for it is at hand: A day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness, like the morning clouds spread over the mountains.”

Now let’s compare and contrast the following with the above.

This statement in Amos 5:18, “Woe to you who desire the day of the Lord” stands in stark contrast with the statement made in.

2 Timothy 4:8 that the Lord will give “the crown of righteousness” to all who “have loved His appearing.”

Amos 15, clearly states God’s displeasure with anyone desiring “The day of the Lord,” and another scripture just as clearly states his pleasure with those who “Have loved His appearing.” This should show any serious student of the Bible that these scriptures are speaking of two very different events.

The following contrast the lost from the saved,

The Lost, Malachi 3:2, “Who can endure the day of His coming?” is essentially different from the exhortation found in,

1 John 2:28, “And now, little children, abide in Him, that when He appears, we may have confidence and not be ashamed before Him at His coming.”

One clearly shows that no one “Can endure the day of His coming,” while another scripture just as clearly states, it’s possible to, “Have confidence and not be ashamed before Him at His coming.” These verses cannot be speaking of the same event.

Malachi 3:2, “Who can stand when He appears?” is radically different from the exhortation in,

Luke 21:36, “Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.” What things? Answer, the 7 years of tribulation.

No contradiction here; we have observed before, one verse clearly shows that no one “Can stand when He appears,” while another tells us to “Pray that you may be counted worthy... to stand before the Son of Man.”

The two following verses stand in stark contrast to the exhortation found in Titus,

The two following verses stand in stark contrast to the exhortation found in Titus,
 
Joel 2:2 reveals, “The day of the Lord” is “A day of darkness and gloominess, A day of clouds and thick darkness,”

Amos 5:20 reads, “Is not the day of the Lord darkness, and not light? Is it not very dark, with no brightness in it?”

Titus 2:13 that we should be “Looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ.”

One scripture very clearly teaches that the gloominess of “The day of the Lord” will be so great that there will be “No brightness in it.” While another verse says his “glorious appearing” is our “blessed hope.”

Zechariah 14:4, “And his (the LORD’S) feet shall stand in that day (day of the LORD) upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.” Compare with,

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven” --- Verse 17, “Then we --- shall be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
You can draw your own conclusions from the above.
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Yes, I can see the distinction.

What relates to the church and what relates to others, is very distinct.

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Re: Compare two comings of Christ:
« Reply #2 on: Fri Aug 03, 2018 - 08:26:45 »
Here's another one:

Revelation 6:15, "And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman (slave) and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of te mountains; and said to the mountains and rocks, fall on us, and hide us from the face of him (Jesus) that sitteth on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb."

Compare with the last verse in the New Testament, It's the hope of all believers,

Revelation 22:21, "Even so, come, Lord Jesus."

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Re: Compare two comings of Christ:
« Reply #3 on: Fri Aug 03, 2018 - 08:42:25 »
The "day of the Lord" is simply about events to occur on earth on the last day, that will end this present world.

It is the timing of Christ's 2nd coming and gathering of His Church.

We know it will only occur on the very 'last' day of this world, because Apostle Peter showed that all of man's works are burned off the earth on that "day of the Lord" (2 Peter 3:10-12). There will be no more tribulation working nor reign by Satan's hosts when that "day of the Lord" occurs.

In 1 Thess.5, Apostle Paul also showed the "day of the Lord" will come "as a thief in the night". That thief in the night idea is what our Lord Jesus used in His Olivet discourse when describing the surprise of His 2nd coming when it happens. He said if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he wouldn't allow his house to be broken up (i.e., broken into; see end of Matt.24). So our Lord Jesus' coming with the "thief in the night" idea is really from Him. In Revelation 16:15, on the 6th Vial, Jesus warns that He comes "as a thief".

Thus our Lord Jesus gave the timing of His 2nd coming to gather His Church with that "as a thief in the night" idea, and that also is the day when the "day of the Lord" events will transpire, and not before.

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Re: Compare two comings of Christ:
« Reply #4 on: Wed Sep 05, 2018 - 14:39:35 »
There are many readers of Revelation that simply do not believe John on the timing of the start of the Day of the Lord - yet Revelation makes this plain. John TELLS us the DAY starts at the 6th seal.

If we go to Paul, he mentions THE DAY just 3 verses after his classical rapture verse. Why? Further, he hints strongly that the sudden destruction at the time of the rapture is the God's wrath and the start of the DAY.  I think His coming will trigger the raising of the Dead in Christ - that raising of the dead will trigger a worldwide earthquake (Paul's Sudden Destruction) - those alive and in Christ will be caught up, get "salvation" (raptured) and get to live together with Him - while at the same time, those living in darkness will get the sudden destruction. So His coming will trigger the rapture and the rapture will trigger THE DAY. They are back to back events that cannot be separated. The DAY will follow the rapture.

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Re: Compare two comings of Christ:
« Reply #5 on: Tue Feb 25, 2020 - 17:00:38 »
The latter part of the 6th Seal is... about Christ's 2nd coming. The first part of the 6th Seal is about the great tribulation timing, which is what the casting of the stars to earth and untimely figs is about.

The "day of the Lord" thus would occur with that latter part of the 6th Seal, which is showing our Lord Jesus' coming and the day of God's cup of wrath poured out upon the wicked.

Rev 6:14-17
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us, and hide us from the face of Him That sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of His wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
KJV


That is about the wrath that's to occur on the final 7th Vial of Revelation 16. That is when Jesus said He will come "as a thief", which is a direct pointer to the "day of the Lord", the very LAST DAY of this present world.


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Re: Compare two comings of Christ:
« Reply #6 on: Mon Mar 16, 2020 - 13:40:34 »
 In my opinion the rapture is at the second coming. They are one in the same event. It comes as a thief in the night meaning we will not expect it at that moment. But it's not a quiet or secret event because of the sound of the trumpet. According to Daniel, the rapture is a rescue out of the tribulation. 12 “At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered. 2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 Those who are wise[a] will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever. 4 But you, Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.”
Further, the prophesy spoken here is to remain sealed and secret until the last days. In other words, the prophesy wasn't just written about that last generation. It was written TO them. When it says many will go back and forth and knowledge will increase, it means something other than knowledge increasing and people traveling around. Why? Because knowledge has always increased and people have always traveled back and forth. But at the last generation something will be different that distinguishes that generation from all the others who came before them. Only they would know. Consider this. I have spent my last few years as an airport shuttle driver here in Philly. I take people from the South Jersey area to the Philly airport and to the military bases at Ft Dix-McGuire. It's common for me to travel at speeds in excess of 75 MPH in comfort and ease. I listen to the radio where we can hear music that was recorded 70 years ago or yesterday. I can communicate with my dispatcher 60 miles away in real time as I take people to an airport where they will fly across the country, or around the world literally thousands of miles in a few hours. As we are on our way, I can change the temperature in the van with the flick of a switch. I can make it hot when it's cold. I can make it cold, when it's hot outside. I can flick a switch at night to provide instant light. Meanwhile, some of my passengers are scientists who can split the atom, clone sheep, heal a person remotely by computer or just do simple blood transfusions. We have all the information in the world at our finger tips on our phones or laptops. ALL of these things were considered witchcraft just 150 years ago. No one could have even dreamt about them when the prophesy was written. In other words, the prophesy has been un-sealed for us, the last generation. Soon the tribulation will start and the antichrist will be revealed to us. Soon we will see the abomination of desolation as spoken by Daniel the prophet. No, I am not predicting when the Lord will return. All I know, is that it will be some time during the tribulation when He rescues us. In the meantime, the we will be tested and purified. We will be workers in the harvest winning souls but also suffering as like no other time in history since there was a nation. Many of us will become the beheaded souls mentioned in Revelation who were martyred. But I also know this. There are a lot more verses in the scriptures that tell me we will be persecuted during the tribulation than there are that tell me we will be raptured before it starts to avoid it. Some who disagree with me say "God doesn't take His wrath out on His children". my answer to that is, I agree. But the persecution during the tribulation isn't God taking His wrath out on His children. It's Satan through his antichrist taking his wrath out on God's children. I also say, we all know souls will be saved during the tribulation. So if we are raptured before the tribulation, doesn't the Holy Spirit go with us since He indwells us? Since we are the church? So if we are all gone, who will lead people to Christ during those times? Just the 144,000? OK but then if all those people who get saved have never read a bible, or gone to church, and there are no Christians around to support them during the worst persecution of Christians EVER, how will we expect them to have enough strength to resist getting the Mark of the Beast and to be faced with a choice to deny Christ or be put to death or worse, see their family be put to death? What I find more realistic is that it will be US to encourages them and teaches them. It will be US who leads them to Christ. It will be US who feeds them when they couldn't buy food without the Mark because we believed the prophesies and provided food ahead of time like we saved oil in our lamps waiting for the bridegroom.

Here's the rest. We will be tested and purified.
 Then I, Daniel, looked, and there before me stood two others, one on this bank of the river and one on the opposite bank. 6 One of them said to the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, “How long will it be before these astonishing things are fulfilled?”
7 The man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, lifted his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him swear by him who lives forever, saying, “It will be for a time, times and half a time. When the power of the holy people has been finally broken, all these things will be completed.”
8 I heard, but I did not understand. So I asked, “My lord, what will the outcome of all this be?”
9 He replied, “Go your way, Daniel, because the words are rolled up and sealed until the time of the end. 10 Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand.
11 “From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12 Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.
13 “As for you, go your way till the end. You will rest, and then at the end of the days you will rise to receive your allotted inheritance.”
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Re: Compare two comings of Christ:
« Reply #7 on: Mon Mar 16, 2020 - 15:54:02 »
Rev.22:6 Then he said to me, “These words are faithful and true.” And the Lord God of the holy prophets sent His angel to show His servants the things which must shortly take place.-( emph. mine)

7 “Behold, I am coming quickly! Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book.”

Rev.5:
9And they sang a new song, saying,
"Worthy are you to take the scroll
and to open its seals,
for you were slain, and by your blood you ransomed people for God
from every tribe and language and people and nation,
10 and you have made them a kingdom and priests to our God,
and they shall reign on the earth."

Rev11: 17 saying,

“We give thanks to you, Lord God Almighty,
    who is and who was,
for you have taken your great power
    and begun to reign.
18
The nations raged,
    but your wrath came,
    and the time for the dead to be judged,
and for rewarding your servants, the prophets and saints,
    and those who fear your name,
    both small and great,
and for destroying the destroyers of the earth.”

19 Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant was seen within his temple. There were flashes of lightning, rumblings,[c] peals of thunder, an earthquake, and heavy hail.


This proves it was not the end of time but the end of the old covenant when all would be fulfilled.

OO, A little O.T. fulfillment!
Psalm 2:
The Messiah's Triumph and Kingdom
2 Why do the [a]nations

 rage,
And the people plot a [c]vain thing?
2
The kings of the earth set themselves,
And the rulers take counsel together,
Against the Lord and against His Anointed,[d] saying,
3
“Let us break Their bonds in pieces
And cast away Their cords from us.”

4
He who sits in the heavens shall laugh;
The Lord shall hold them in derision.
5
Then He shall speak to them in His wrath,
And distress them in His deep displeasure:
6
“Yet I have [e]set My King
[f]On My holy hill of Zion.”

7
“I will declare the [g]decree:
The Lord has said to Me,
‘You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You.
8
Ask of Me, and I will give You
The nations for Your inheritance,
And the ends of the earth for Your possession.
9
You shall [h]break them with a rod of iron;
You shall dash them to pieces like a potter’s vessel.’ ”

10
Now therefore, be wise, O kings;
Be instructed, you judges of the earth.
11
Serve the Lord with fear,
And rejoice with trembling.
12
Kiss the Son, lest [j]He be angry,
And you perish in the way,
When His wrath is kindled but a little.
Blessed are all those who put their trust in Him.[/color]

Only one coming at the end of the Jewish age and old covenant. Two only if you count Christ's 1st advent on earth.

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Re: Compare two comings of Christ:
« Reply #8 on: Fri Mar 20, 2020 - 09:03:00 »
We (the Church) aren't going anywhere during the trib, but after the trib is when our Lord Jesus comes to gather us (Matthew 24:29-31; Mark 13:24-27; 1 Thess.4). That is, those of us who remained faithful to Him and didn't fall away to the Antichrist.

Some of us are to be delivered up to give a Testimony for Jesus against the beast, allowing The Holy Spirit to speak through us, not premeditating what we will say in that hour. Some of us will be killed. Jesus said to be faithful even to the death (Revelation 2:10).

The signs our Lord Jesus gave in His Olivet discourse are the 7 Signs of His Revelation He gave through Apostle John to the Church. Those 7 signs parallel the Seals in Rev.6. That is how to understand His Revelation, as the Seals, Trumpets, and Vials are 3 sets of examples about just 7 Signs of the end He gave in Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21. That last Sign He gave was that of His 2nd coming to gather His Church.

Men's doctrines of Preterism and Futurism are traps. They deny many Bible prophecies for the end of this world. So those are not doctrines that edify the Christian Church, but instead will cause many brethren to fall away, because they will not be watching the Signs of the end our Lord Jesus gave His Church.



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Re: Compare two comings of Christ:
« Reply #9 on: Sat Mar 21, 2020 - 12:06:01 »
dpr, I remember working in home care for medically challenged kids. The mother once said something about her believing "Jesus would return to save us from suffering." Now I could not discuss my opinion about that- I just said I was never taught that. Yet I was thinking about my real response and I was sure she was way off.
I wanted to say to her, as I'm free to say now, "Woman, look at what you have here to deal with now. You have been "suffering" for years and I know I had intense PTSD before it was even labelled that!"
So to say "He will save us from suffering," just doesn't make any sense. He is the Healer, here and now!

We meet Jesus when we die. "The Spirit" is our guarantee of eternal life.
Ephesians 1:13,
…13And in Him, having heard and believed the word of truth—the gospel of your salvation—you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is the pledge of our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession, to the praise of His glory.


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« Reply #10 on: Sun Mar 22, 2020 - 12:22:34 »
Yes, I can see the distinction.

What relates to the church and what relates to others, is very distinct.

The fellow is making assertions that don't generally agree with scripture.   

For instance, what is the church?  Supersessionism has removed any clear understanding of it.  Did you know the original Greek word 'synagogue' can also be translated as 'church'?  Supersessionism has clouded the understanding of many with regard to the advent of Christ upon the earth BECAUSE IT'S A CATHOLIC DOCTRINE.   It's meant to strengthen the Catholic grip upon the hearts and minds of men, not to reveal Biblical truth.  As a result, Protestants are in lock-step with the Vatican at almost every point, including interpretation of End Times events.  Scripture doesn't always agree, however.

How many times does Christ come to earth?  Answer 3.

The basis for this assertion is in the LAW.  See the books of Exodus and Leviticus.

Let me begin by asking a simple question.   What type of men were ANNOINTED?  Do you know?   Answer is: prophets, priests & kings.  See the aforementioned Exodus & Leviticus as well as the writings of the Old Testament; Chronicles, Kings and the prophets.

The Hebrew word "messiah" means "anointed one".  If Jesus, or Y'shua as His Name is in Hebrew, is the anointed of God then He must fulfill each of the anointed categories; prophet, priest and king.   Therefore we may understand that He will come to earth THREE TIMES, once for each anointing.  Take a look and see;

The First time Y'shua came to earth was as prophet and sacrifice for sin.
The Second time Y'shua will come to earth will be as priest - who holds judgment in His hands.  This event will begin the one thousand year period known generally as the Millennium.
The Third time Y'shua will come to earth will be as king - who will totally destroy SINNERS and establish New Jerusalem on earth.  This will happen at the end of the Millennium.

During the Second Advent, Y'shua will remove the saints from the earth and kill all the SINNERS.   This is also called the first resurrection when all saints will be gathered Messiah.   Those that remain will all be killed.

The doctrine of the Rapture is thus seen to be affected by Roman Catholic dogma.  Consider the following scripture often quoted by proponents of the rapture.

Whoever tries to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life will preserve it. I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed: One will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding grain together: One will be taken and the other left.

Where, Lord?” they asked.

Jesus answered, “Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.”
- Jesus as quoted by Luke 17:33-37

For rapture aficionados, the focus of this scripture is on the taking - the removal of certain people.   According to Catholic doctrine the saints will be removed and the sinners will be left upon the earth.  BUT CONSIDER what the Bible really says.   Y'shua's disciples asked him WHERE those who are taken will go.  Y'shua responds by saying they will be taken to a place of carcasses where the carrion is eaten by birds.   Is this an image of heaven or a battleground of the dead - of hellish proportions?  Read it again.   The WICKED are taken, not the saints.   The meek do indeed inherit the earth because the wicked are nowhere to be seen.

At the Third advent of Y'shua, the Bible says the wicked will be resurrected.  This is the second resurrection and the result of it will be a great battle before the walls of New Jerusalem during which time God will permanently destroy and eliminate all SINNERS.  Their ashes will be ground under the feet of the righteous.

The millennium will therefore be a thousand year period of time where no man lives upon the earth.  Satan will wander with no one to tempt.  For this prince of fallen angels, it will be a time of restraint in which there will be nothing for it to do and no one to do it too.

Read it again for the first time.

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Re: Compare two comings of Christ:
« Reply #11 on: Mon Mar 30, 2020 - 09:42:34 »
dpr, I remember working in home care for medically challenged kids. The mother once said something about her believing "Jesus would return to save us from suffering." Now I could not discuss my opinion about that- I just said I was never taught that. Yet I was thinking about my real response and I was sure she was way off.
I wanted to say to her, as I'm free to say now, "Woman, look at what you have here to deal with now. You have been "suffering" for years and I know I had intense PTSD before it was even labelled that!"
So to say "He will save us from suffering," just doesn't make any sense. He is the Healer, here and now!

We meet Jesus when we die. "The Spirit" is our guarantee of eternal life.
Ephesians 1:13,
…13And in Him, having heard and believed the word of truth—the gospel of your salvation—you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is the pledge of our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession, to the praise of His glory.


I don't see that having anything to do with our Lord Jesus giving us the 7 signs of the end to be watching, leading up to His return.

The idea of hardship within this present world is just a thing of this present world because God placed this world in bondage to corruption (Rom.8).

1 Cor 10:13
13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, Who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
KJV


 

     
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