The Stars of Heaven

[Feedmysheep]

 

Perhaps you have not misunderstood just a little but rather everything said here so far? The third of men killed in Revelation 9 are the only ones saved because the other two thirds repented not of their devil worship: Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

   First of all, I made no comment about the proportions of humans killed or otherwise from Revelation 9.  The "third" that I spoke to was the stars in ch. 12  which I said signified angels.

 Without going back over all your posts I don't know why you are talking about thirds of people in Revelation 9. But just looking at you arithmetic in the above statement, it is highly suspect.

  You seem to be saying that the one third killed by the three plagues of the sixth trumpet were saved. And the two thirds that did not repent were not saved.

  Just because it says "And the rest of the men, who were not killed by these plagues, still did not repent of their works ...", this tells us nothing about whether the killed ones consisted of repentant ones and none repentant ones and how many of each.  All we know is that they were killed, PERIOD.

  The ones who escaped this killing still did not repent. Out of the third of men that were killed we don't know that none repented and were killed. It is possible to repent just before dying or while dying.  So verse 20 only indicates the behavior of those who were not killed.

  And of the ones who were killed, "the third part of men"  we have no idea which were saved and which were not. Plenty of saved people can be killed in war, famine, natural calamities throughout history.

 We simply do not know their salvation state. We only know that they were not saved from being killed by the plagues of the sixth trumpet.
  
 

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 See also Ezekiel 5 where the city is divided into three parts. And per your own words then the tribulation must have started in Luke when Yeshua stated that he beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven when the seventy had cast out devils during their mission.[/size]

  Faulty reasoning.  Jesus said He saw Satan failing from heaven like lightening. We do not know if this was a prophetic vision of the future or a falling he saw taking place at the moment.  Maybe even it was a remembrance of something in the past.

  I only grasp from Luke 10:18 the PRINCIPLE that as the disciples exercised spiritual dominion Satan was being cast down. Per my words, my reference to this principle does not prove that the great tribulation started at the time of Luke 10:18.

  Besides, Jesus indicated that a demon cast out of a man could enter in that man again. He could take seven others and the last state of the man be worst than the first. Therefore, even if Satan did undergo a falling from heaven at the time of Luke 10:18 he could reinstate himself. Ie. a BATTLE lost but not yet the WAR.

 Evil can return to power when the saints do not hold on to the divine victory. So you cannot force upon me that Luke 10:18 has to be my concept of the beginning of the great tribulation.

   In Revelation 12 he is cast to the earth and only has a short time. And that is 42 months, 1,260 days, three and one half years.  I never taught that 42 months following the incidents of Luke 10:18 Christ returned to earth to establish His messianic kingdom of 1,000 years.  

 

As for the "good warrior angels" you have imagined: the Scripture proves you and your teacher Lee wrong on that one also because Gabriel states that there are NONE others who holdeth, (strengtheneth) with him against the Prince of Persia or the Prince of Grecia, (powers of the heavens) except for MICHAEL the Great Prince who stands for the children of Daniel's people.

Daniel 10:20-21 KJV
20. Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come.
21. But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things but Michael your prince.

Daniel 10:21 ASV
21. But I will tell thee that which is inscribed in the writing of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me against these, but Michael your prince.

 This does not prove that the stars dragged away by the dragon's tail are not angels.

 There are only TWO angels mentioned by name in the Bible which are considered good ones. Michael and Gabriel.  This could be because they are archangels or of some higher rank.

 So "none other ... but Michael"  probably means none other but the other archangel.

  So what?  That doesn't prove that the stars dragged away by the dragon's tail are not angels. And by far, I am sure Witness Lee is not the first or only expositor to teach that the stars dragged away by the dragon's tail are bad angels.

 And if bad ones exist (1/3) , goods ones must be left (2/3). So they fight in the same chapter (however angels happen to fight).

 And it is the rapture of the man-child which triggers the war to break out and for the Devil to be defeated. And the man-child is a corporate group of those who have overcome through redemption - "they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb".  


 That could not refer to good angels because good angels have no need of the redemption of Christ. Humans do.

 In chapter 12 the stars dragged by the dragon's tail are angels. The ones not dragged are the good ones left over. And the man-child is a corporate "THEY" and "THEM" and "BROTHERS" redeemed by the blood of Jesus in verses 10,11.

 They loved not their soul-life even unto death. This proves that in the past they were martyred.


 And one other thing. I notice that people like you who imitate others, Ie. L-rd, G-d, etc. are the first to criticize OTHERS as following men too much.   You yourself are just imitating some procedure you picked up from a man. Your charges of man following wreak with hypocrisy.

   Do you want to have good fellowship even though we may not agree on all matters?
 Or do you want to play hardball and keep trying to make learning from one Witness Lee as a crime of some sort ?

 I can meet you on either ground. I prefer we just have some reasonably cordial fellowship about what we see in the word of God.

[Wycliffes_Shillelagh]

Daniel 8:8-11a KJV
8. Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.
9. And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

Can some one tell me what the broken horn and the other horns coming out is?  I tried reading all ya'll have written, but to be totally honest my attention span gets lost in long post. (sorry, I really am A.D.D.)  I would like very much to understand the book of Daniel and would like to start with understanding what the horns breaking, and the little horn means.  Also, what actually are these horns on?  What kind of animal?

The Goat is a metaphor for the empire of Greece.  The Great Horn is Greek king Alexander the Great, who conquered the entire world known to him within his lifespan.

Alexander died untimely early in life, which is the breaking of the horn.  In his place, 4 of the generals of his armies divided his kingdom into 4 regions, and each took to ruling one.  These are the 4 horns coming up in place of the 1 great horn.

1 of these 4 generals was then assassinated in a coup.  One of the generals' assistants, called Seleuceus, staged the coup, and consolidated power after his death over more than 1/4 of the Greek kingdom.  His descendants became the Seleucid dynasty, which ruled Syria, Turkey, Iraq, Iran, and sometimes Judea for several centuries.  Seleuceus and his dynasty are the "little horn."  He would still be considered "Greek" because the Seleucids were fanatical proponents of Greek culture and customs.

In particular one of the Seleucid rulers - Antiochus Epiphanes IV - made war upon Judea and conquered it.  He demanded to be worshiped as a god in the Jewish temple, and sacrificed a pig on the altar there, desecrating it.  He built a gymnasium on the temple mount near the temple, and held competitive olympic-style games there - in which the contestants were nude, and sometimes fought to the death.  He minted coins proclaiming himself to be god, deposed several of the Jewish high priests, and appointed new high priests of his own choosing.  He outlawed circumcision.  The Jews hated him and revolted, and eventually won their freedom.

Jarrod

[daq]

I don't know who you think you impress with all your pastings from Strong's Exhaustive Concordance and other Lexicons.

I am a disciple of Jesus and a student of the word of God. And it is an honor to be ill spoken of as having some association with brother Witness Lee.

Be aware that vague accusations are usually the way of the Devil.
You have never written anything that I can recall as a specific doctrinal error with which you take issue with Witness Lee. If you have one, make a thread and present it.

Your vague grumblings about Witness Lee just amount to throwing dust in the air.

Be aware that those who "walk by the belly" are as Esau, who is Edom, and like that old father of all them who walk in the flesh and see only with the eyes of the flesh. All those who live by the flesh will die. Yet those who walk by the belly are always the first to cast stones at anyone who sees according to the Spirit. The same were the Pharisees, Sadducees, and Scribes who accused Yeshua of casting out devils by Beelzebub.

"And YHWH 'Elohiym said unto the serpent: Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; `Al- gchonka telek" ~ (by the belly shall ye walk)...

And one other thing. I notice that people like you who imitate others, Ie. L-rd, G-d, etc. are the first to criticize OTHERS as following men too much.   You yourself are just imitating some procedure you picked up from a man. Your charges of man following wreak with hypocrisy.

   Do you want to have good fellowship even though we may not agree on all matters?
 Or do you want to play hardball and keep trying to make learning from one Witness Lee as a crime of some sort ?

 I can meet you on either ground. I prefer we just have some reasonably cordial fellowship about what we see in the word of God.

Who said anything about a "Witness" Lee?

Limne tou Puros ~

Isaiah 34
1. Come near, ye heathen, Hear! and hearken, ye people: let the earth hear, and all that is therein; the world, and all its offspring.
2. For the indignation of YHWH is upon all the nations, and his fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter.
3. Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcasses, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood.
4. And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.
5. For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Edom, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment.
6. The sword of YHWH is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for there is a sacrifice unto YHWH in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Edom.
7. And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.
8. For the day of vengeance it is to YHWH, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.
9. And the valleys thereof shall be turned into asphalt, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch.
10. It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever: from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever.
11. But the cormorant and the bittern shall possess it; the owl also and the raven shall dwell in it: and he shall stretch out upon it the rimline of Tohuw, and the stones of Bohuw.
12. They shall call the nobles thereof to the kingdom, but none shall be there, and all her Sariym shall be nothing.
13. And thorns shall come up in her palaces, nettles and brambles in the fortresses thereof: and it shall be an habitation of dragons, and a court for owls.
14. And the desert dwelling nomads shall meet with the wild howlers of the island, and the shaggy goat satyr will call out to his fellow; Leeleeth shall settle down there, and find for herself a place of rest.
15. There shall the great owl make her nest, and lay, and hatch, and gather under her shadow: there shall the vultures also be gathered, every one with her mate.
16. Seek ye out of the book of YHWH, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth he hath commanded, and his Spirit it hath gathered them.
17. And he hath cast the lot for them, and his hand hath divided it unto them by line: they shall possess it for ever, from generation to generation shall they dwell therein.

RE: Genesis Sons of G-d - LeeLeeth

[Feedmysheep]

 

   Who said anything about a "Witness" Lee?  

 
 You did.
 And this little weasel word maneuver with quotations doesn't prove you didn't.
 It shows you can be clever, that's all.
  
 

FOR YOU appear to be a disciple of "Lee" rather than a disciple of the Word.

    Is that big bouncing smiling yellow face suppose to show you exude with self confidence ?

[Feedmysheep]

 

Quote from: Feedmysheep on Yesterday at 08:22:42 AM
And one other thing. I notice that people like you who imitate others, Ie. L-rd, G-d, etc. are the first to criticize OTHERS as following men too much.   You yourself are just imitating some procedure you picked up from a man. Your charges of man following wreak with hypocrisy.

   Do you want to have good fellowship even though we may not agree on all matters?
 Or do you want to play hardball and keep trying to make learning from one Witness Lee as a crime of some sort ?

 I can meet you on either ground. I prefer we just have some reasonably cordial fellowship about what we see in the word of God.

 It is customery that when you quote someone else and highlight or underline words in that person's quote, that you indicate that the EMPHASIS is YOURS.  That's what I do by indicating [my emphasis].

 Its a matter of integrity.

 I would have thought a frequent paster like you would know that and practice that.

  

[daq]

Quote from: Feedmysheep on Yesterday at 08:22:42 AM
And one other thing. I notice that people like you who imitate others, Ie. L-rd, G-d, etc. are the first to criticize OTHERS as following men too much.   You yourself are just imitating some procedure you picked up from a man. Your charges of man following wreak with hypocrisy.

   Do you want to have good fellowship even though we may not agree on all matters?
 Or do you want to play hardball and keep trying to make learning from one Witness Lee as a crime of some sort ?

 I can meet you on either ground. I prefer we just have some reasonably cordial fellowship about what we see in the word of God.

 It is customery that when you quote someone else and highlight or underline words in that person's quote, that you indicate that the EMPHASIS is YOURS.  That's what I do by indicating [my emphasis].

 Its a matter of integrity.

 I would have thought a frequent paster like you would know that and practice that.

  

   Who said anything about a "Witness" Lee?  

 
 You did.
 And this little weasel word maneuver with quotations doesn't prove you didn't.
 It shows you can be clever, that's all.
  
 

FOR YOU appear to be a disciple of "Lee" rather than a disciple of the Word.

    Is that big bouncing smiling yellow face suppose to show you exude with self confidence ?

Do you consider yourself a "destroyer" of anyone opposing you? You sure act like you think you are some "mighty one"...

As for "Lee" I showed you what it meant and I do not care if you believe me or not.

As for the quotes are you so blind that you do not see how you just changed the Font, Color, and Size in the quote you posted from me?

Finally if you have nothing to offer to the topic then why are you still following me around?

The thrust of the Daniel 8 translation on Page 1 is not in error:

Daniy'el 8 TUA (Transliterated Unaccented)
1.  Bishnat shalowsh lmalkuwt Bel'shatsar, hamelek, chazownnir'ah 'elay 'niy, Daniye'l, 'achrey hanir'ah 'elaybatchilah.
1.  In the third year of the dominion of Bel'shatsar the king; a vision appeared unto me of myself, Daniye'l, after what had appeared to me in the commencement.
2.  Wa'er'eh bechazown.  Wayhiy bir'otiy, wa'niyb-Shuwshan, habiyrah, 'sher b-`Eylam hamdiynah.  Wa'er'ehbechazown: Wa'niy hayiytiy `al- 'uwbal 'Uwlay.
2.  And I saw in a dream-oracle, And it came to pass in my watching, even I was in Shushan, the citadel, which is in Elam the province. And I watched in the dream-oracle: and I was by the river of Ulai.
3.  Wa'esa'`eynay wa'er'eh.  Whineh, 'ayil 'echad `omed lipneyha'ubal.  Wlow qranayim.  Whaqranayim gbohowt.  Wha'achatgbohah min- hasheniyt.  Whagbohah `olah ba'achronah.
3.  And I lifted up my eyes and looked, And Behold; one ram, stationed before the river. And it had horns, and the horns were powerful-arrogant. And the latter was the more proud out of the two. And the proud one ascended in the afterwards.
4.  Ra'iytiy 'et- ha'ayil mnageach yamah, wtsapownah,wanegbah.  Wkal- chayowt lo'- ya`amduw lpanayw.  W'eynmatsiyl miyadow.  W`asah kirtsonow whigdiyl.
4.  And I watched the ram butting westward, and northward, and southward. And of all animals none could stand to his face. And nothing was delivered from his hand. And he did according to his desire, and magnified.
5.  Wa'niy hayiytiy mebiyn, whineh, tspiyr- ha`iziym ba'min- hama`rab, `al- pney kal- ha'arets.  W'eyn nowgea`ba'arets.  Whatsapiyr qeren chazuwt beyn `eynayw.
5.  And I was considering, and behold; an he-goat of the kids came from the shadows of the west, over the face of all the land, and not was it touching the ground. And the he-goat had a notable-conspicuous horn between its eyes.
6.  Wayabo' `ad- ha'ayil ba`al haqranayim, 'sher ra'iytiy `omedlipney ha'ubal, wayarats 'elayw bachmat kochow.
6.  And it came over-against the ram, the baal of the two horns which I had seen stationed before the river, and it rushed at him in the fury of its power.
7.  Uwr'iytiyw magiya` 'etsel ha'ayil.  Wayitmarmar 'elayw.Wayak 'et- ha'ayil.  Wayshaber 'et- shtey qranayw.  Wlo'-hayah koach ba'ayil la`mod lpanayw.  Wayashliykehuw'artsah wayirmcehuw.  Wlo'- hayah matsiyl la'ayil miyadow.
7.  And I saw him strike at the side of the ram, and he was moved with choler, and smote the ram, and shattered his two horns. And there was no power in the ram to stand before him, and he cast him down to the ground and stamped upon him. And there was nothing to deliver the ram from his hand.
8.  Uwtspiyr ha`iziym higdiyl `ad- m'od.  Uwk`atsmownishbrah haqeren hagdowlah. Wata`lenah chazuwt 'arba`tachteyha l'arba` ruwchowt hashamayim.
8.  And the he-goat of the kids magnified vehemently, and as he became strong the great horn was broken. And ascended four notable-conspicuous ones, in its place, to the four winds of heaven.
9.  Uwmin- ha'achatmehem yatsa' qeren- 'achat mits`iyrah.  Watigdal- yeter 'el-hanegeb, w'el- hamizrach, w'el- ha-Tsebiy.
9.  And from the one-united of them came forth a horn: one-united mits`iyrah. And it waxed fat toward the south-Negev, and toward the rising sun-Mizrach, and toward the beautiful-Tsebiy.
10.  Watigdal `ad-tsba' hashamayim.  Watapel 'artsah min- hatsaba' uwmin-hakowkabiym watirmcem.
10.  And it magnified unto the army of the heavens, and felled to the earth from some of the army and from some of the stars, and stamped upon them.
11.  W`ad Sar- hatsaba' higdiyl.Uwmimenuw huwram {*} hatamiyd.  Whushlak mkown miqdashow.
11.  Even unto the Sar-Prince of the army it magnified, and from him was taken up the Tamiyd, and was cast down the habitation of his miqdash-body-temple.
12.  Wtsaba' tinaten `al- hatamiyd bpasha`.  Wtashlek 'met'artsah.  W`astah whitsliychah.
12. And an army was given against the Tamiyd through transgression, and it cast down truth to the ground, and it worked and pushed forward.
13.  Wa'eshm`ah 'echad- qadowsh mdaber.  Wayo'mer 'echadqadowsh lapalmowniy hamdaber: `Ad- matay hechazown hatamiyd,whapesha` shomem, tet wqodesh wtsaba' mirmac?
13.  And I heard one holy one speaking, and said another holy one to the Palmowniy wonderful numberer that spake: Until how long is the dream-oracle, the Tamiyd, and the transgression of desolation, to give even the qodesh-holy-sanctuary and the army to be trampled?
14.  Wayo'mer 'elay, `Ad `ereb boqer 'alpayim uwshloshme'owt.  Wnitsdaq qodesh.
14. And he said unto me: Until evening-morning two thousand and three hundred; And shall be cleansed the qodesh-holy-sanctuary.
15.  Wayhiy bir'otiy, 'niy, Daniye'l, 'et- hechazown,wa'baqshah biynah.  Whineh, `omed lnegdiy kmar'eh- gaber.
15.  And it came to pass when I had seen myself, Daniye'l, in the dream-oracle; then sought I for the meaning, and Behold; stationed opposing me to my face: the mirror-image-likeness of a mighty one.
16.  Wa'eshma` qowl- 'adam beyn 'Uwlay.  Wayiqra'wayo'mar: Gabriy'el, haben lhalaz 'et- hamar'eh!
16.  And I heard the voice of a man in the midst of Ulai: and he called out and said: Gabriy'el, make this one to understand the mirror!
17.  Wayabo' 'etsel `amdiy.  Uwbbo'ow, nib`atiy.Wa'eplah `al- panay.  Wayo'mer 'elay: Haben, ben- 'adam,kiy l`et- qets hechazown!
17.  So he came to the side of my station, and in his coming I was terrified, and cast down upon my face. And he said to me: Understand son of man, because for the time of the end is the dream-oracle!
18.  Uwbdabrow `imiy, nirdamtiy `al- panay 'artsah.Wayiga`- biy waya`miydeniy `al- `amdiy.
18.  And in his speaking with me I was comatose upon my face to the ground. And he struck me, and he stood me upright to my station.
19.  Wayo'mer, Hiniy mowdiy`ka 'et 'sher- yihyeh b'achriythaza`am, kiy lmow`ed qets.
19.  And he said: Behold, I make known to you that which shall be in the latter part of the fury, because for the mow`ed-appointment is the end.
20.  Ha'ayil 'sher- ra'iyta ba`al haqranayim, malkeyMaday uw-Parac.
20.  The ram which you saw, the baal of the horns: kings of Media and Persia.
21.  Whatsapiyr hasa`iyr melek Yawan.Whaqeren hagdowlah 'sher beyn- `eynayw, huw' hamelekhari'shown.
21.  And the he-goat, the shaggy-satyr: king of Yavan-Grecia. And the great horn which is between his eyes, he is the first king.
22.  Whanishberet wata`modnah 'arba` tachteyha'arba`, malkuyowt migowy ya`amodnah, wlo' bkochow.
22.  And that being broken; whereas there stood up four in its place: four kingdoms from that nation shall stand up, but not in his power.
23.  Uwb'achriyt malkuwtam, khatem haposh`iym, ya`mod melek`az- paniym, uwmebiyn chiydowt.
23.  And in the latter time of their kingdom, as the transgressions are come to the full, shall stand a king of the countenance of `Az.
24.  W`atsam kochow.  Wlo'bkochow wnipla'owt yashchiyt.  Whitsliyach w`asah.  Whishchiyt`tsuwmiym w`am- qdoshiym.
24.  And mighty is his power, but not by his own power, and wondrously he shall corrupt. And he shall advance and shall do acts. And he shall corrupt the mighty and the holy people.
25.  W`al- siklow whitsliyach mirmahbyadow.  Uwbilbabow yagdiyl.  Uwbshalwah yashchiyt rabiym.W`al- Sar- sariym ya`mod.  Uwb'epec yad yishaber.
25.  And by his wisdom he shall advance craftiness in his hand, and in his heart he shall magnify himself, and through peaceful-prosperity he shall destroy many. And against the Sar-Prince of princes he shall stand, but without hand he is broken.
26.  Uwmar'eh ha`ereb whaboqer, 'sher ne'mar 'met huw'.W'atah ctom hechazown, kiy lyamiym rabiym.
26.  And the mirror-image of the evening and the morning which was told; established truth it is. But you; seal up the dream-oracle because it is for many days.
27.  Wa'niy, Daniye'l, nihyeytiy wnechleytiy yamiym.Wa'aquwm wa'e`seh 'et- mle'ket hamelek.  Wa'eshtowmem `al-hamar'eh w'eyn mebiyn.
27.  And myself; "Daniy'el" had I become, and I was afflicted the days. And then I arose and did the business of the king. And I was desolated over the mirror-image, (of myself) but no one understood.

The phrase "nihyey" is "to have become" and "nihyeytiy" is "I had become" from Daniel 8:27 above. The same Hebrew phrase "nihyey" is found in Deuteronomy 27:9 written as "nihyeytal" and is translated as "have become" by most all of the English translations including the KJV; "nihyeytal" is "thou art become" as shown below:

Deuteronomy 27:9
9.  And Moses and the priests the Levites spake unto all Israel, saying, Take heed, and hearken, O Israel; this day thou art become the people of the YHWH thy 'Elohey!

Deuteronomy 27:9 TUA
9.  Waydaber Mosheh whakohniym ha-Lwiyim 'el kal- Yisra'elle'mor, Hacket uwshma`, Yisra'el!  Hayowm hazeh nihyeytal `am la-YHWH 'Eloheyka!

Ezekiel 14:14 also reveals the name change in the man Daniel offered in the translation above. The original Strong's entry for the name recorded in Ezekiel makes note of the slight difference in the spelling of the names Daniye'l and Daniy'el.

Strong's Ref. #1840
Romanized  Daniye'l
Pronounced daw-nee-yale'
in Ezekiel it is: Dani'el {daw-nee-ale'}; from HSN1835 and HSN0410; judge of G-d; Daniel or Danijel, the name of two Israelites:
KJV--Daniel.

Ezekiel 14:14
14.  Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver but their own souls by their righteousness, saith 'Adonay YHWH.

Ezekiel 14:14 TUA
14.  Whayuw shloshet ha'anashiym ha'eleh btowkah -- Noach, Daniy'el,{*} w-'Iyowb -- hemah btsidqatam ynatsluw napsham, n'um 'Adonay YHWH.

Revelation 2:17
17.  He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the ekklesias; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

Belshazzar-Belteshazzar was "the other Daniel" and "old man" nature.
Daniye'l was renamed "Daniy'el" the night "Belshazzar" was "slain" …

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