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Daniel 12: 1-4
« on: Sun Jul 28, 2019 - 15:24:11 »
Dan 12:1 "At that time Michael shall stand up, The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people; And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation, Even to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, Every one who is found written in the book.  2  And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,  Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 Those who are wise shall shine Like the brightness of the firmament, And those who turn many to righteousness Like the stars forever and ever.  NKJV

A time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation. This has to be the tribulation. At the time of the tribulation God will deliver all who are written in the book. When God delivers Daniel's people He will awaken many of those who sleep. Who are “those” referring to? The Spirit did not say everyone sleeping or all who sleep, He said many (or multitudes) of people are awaken. This cannot be the white throne judgment. It must be the rapture. Of those who are awakened some will live eternally. The rest of the awakened will face eternal contempt.

Therefore; when the rapture takes place and many who sleep in the dust will awake. Some will go to the wedding feast and some to eternal condemnation.

Dan 12:4 "But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase." NKJV

God did not always want the prophets to be clearly understood by human wisdom.  God has kept some things hidden until the time of end. I believe the churches prior to 1967 may not have been given full understanding in the things kept hidden until the time of the end. Are we near the time of the end? Then we should expect a new understanding of old truths, if we believe God's word.

Some might say that Daniel did not see the 1000 years between the judgment of the righteous and judgment of the bad. He might not have seen it. Being a prophet he reported it as God said it therefore, even if Daniel did not see it, that doesn't make the prophecy less true. My interpretation is true if I can get one more witness to verify,

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Re: Daniel 12: 1-4
« Reply #1 on: Mon Jul 29, 2019 - 08:18:12 »
I will call on Jesus as the next witness to hear His testimony:

The dragnet parable: Matt 13:47 "Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a dragnet that was cast into the sea and gathered some of every kind,  48 which, when it was full, they drew to shore; and they sat down and gathered the good into vessels, but threw the bad away.  49 So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just,  50 and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth."  NKJV

Jesus said that the kingdom of God was like a dragnet. The dragnet is the kingdom of heaven in this parable. Both the good and bad fish are in the kingdom. Verse 37 said that the net “gathered some of every kind.” 

The tare parable: Matt 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, "First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn."'" NKJV

 The dragnet parable is not like the tare parable above. In that parable the reaping and separation was done in the field (world), not the kingdom. In the tare parable after the reaping, tares went one way and wheat another. In the tare parable the evil one planted the tares in the field not the kingdom.

In the dragnet both are in the kingdom net when the net was drawn ashore and then separated. Both the good and bad entered the net on their own without external influence. When the net was full, it was drawn in with both types in it. God knows the exact number of elect. The net is full when the last elect enters, it will not gather any more good fish.

Jesus stated that the parables were mysteries of the kingdom. That means these parables were hidden truths of the kingdom. Jesus explained most of the parables to us. This one He did not explain.  Shortly after giving this parable Jesus said:   

Matt 13:52 Then He said to them, "Therefore every scribe instructed concerning the kingdom of heaven is like a householder who brings out of his treasure things new and old." NKJV

The dragnet parable certainly unseals the meaning of Daniel's prophecy. At the time Daniel's people are delivered some people will awake from death. Some of those who awaken will shine like the stars and some get eternal contempt. By Jesus' parable some will be His bride and some will go to the hot place. The dragnet parable is my second witness.

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Re: Daniel 12: 1-4
« Reply #2 on: Tue Jul 30, 2019 - 09:00:45 »
The parable of the dragnet clearly states that the net gathered bad and good into the kingdom. Jesus started by saying that the kingdom was like a net. There is only one way into the net. All the fish came in the same way.

    Matt 18:2 Then Jesus called a little child to Him, set him in the midst of them,
    3 and said, "Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become
    as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven. NKJV 


The wheat-tare parable clearly shows that God does nothing to those who Satan sowed to eliminate them from the kingdom.
   
    1 Cor 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened by the Lord, that we
    may not be condemned with the world. NKJV


The good and bad, who entered into the kingdom on their own, are in His kingdom. He will discipline any in the kingdom. If they repent or die while under discipline they have persevered. If they choose to love the world more than Jesus or deny Him in any way they lose salvation, but remain in the kingdom.

Daniel and the dragnet parable prove that those who awake prior to the white throne will be judged.

    1 Peter 4:17 For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God;
    and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the
    gospel of God? NKJV


Some go to eternal life. Some go to eternal condemnation.

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Re: Daniel 12: 1-4
« Reply #3 on: Wed Aug 07, 2019 - 10:42:16 »
Dan 12:1 "At that time Michael shall stand up, The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people; And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation, Even to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, Every one who is found written in the book.  2  And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,  Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 Those who are wise shall shine Like the brightness of the firmament, And those who turn many to righteousness Like the stars forever and ever.  NKJV

A time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation. This has to be the tribulation. At the time of the tribulation God will deliver all who are written in the book. When God delivers Daniel's people He will awaken many of those who sleep. Who are “those” referring to? The Spirit did not say everyone sleeping or all who sleep, He said many (or multitudes) of people are awaken. This cannot be the white throne judgment. It must be the rapture. Of those who are awakened some will live eternally. The rest of the awakened will face eternal contempt.

Therefore; when the rapture takes place and many who sleep in the dust will awake. Some will go to the wedding feast and some to eternal condemnation.

Dan 12:4 "But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase." NKJV

God did not always want the prophets to be clearly understood by human wisdom.  God has kept some things hidden until the time of end. I believe the churches prior to 1967 may not have been given full understanding in the things kept hidden until the time of the end. Are we near the time of the end? Then we should expect a new understanding of old truths, if we believe God's word.

Some might say that Daniel did not see the 1000 years between the judgment of the righteous and judgment of the bad. He might not have seen it. Being a prophet he reported it as God said it therefore, even if Daniel did not see it, that doesn't make the prophecy less true. My interpretation is true if I can get one more witness to verify,

Like Ezekiel 37, Daniel 12 is history, a first century phononomen fulfilled by the Roman armies in the destruction of the Herod's temple in AD 70. The timing of same is "when the power of the holy people has been COMPLETELY SHATTERED, all these things shall be finished" Daniel 12:7.

THE SHATTERING PREDICTED BY JESUS

Matthew 24:1-2 24:1 Jesus Predicts the Destruction of the Temple (Mark 13:1,2; Luke 21:5,6) Then Jesus went out and departed from the temple, and HIS DISCIPLES CAME UP TO SHOW HIM THE BUILDINGS OF THE TEMPLE.

2 And Jesus said to them, "Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, NOT ONE STONE SHALL BE LEFT HERE UPON ANOTHER, THAT SHALL NOT BE THROWN DOWN."

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