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Daniel, 2300 days.
« on: Sat May 05, 2018 - 13:00:30 »
These prophesies in Daniel are amazing, once you key in on them, they all come together, and agree with each other, fitting together like a giant puzzle.

The following has to fall into the timeline of Nebuchadnezzar image of a man, beginning in the year 603 B.C., as did Daniel 12. The answers have to agree with the context of Daniel 8, and have to agree with the 1290 and 1335 years timeline.

Daniel 8:13, “Then I (Daniel) heard one saint (holy one) speaking, and another saint (holy one) said unto the certain (Holy one) which spake, how long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?”

The answer, “And he (the saint) said unto me (Daniel), unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.”

1.   What is the daily sacrifice?

2.   What is the transgression of desolation?

3.   What is the sanctuary?

4.   And who are the host that shall be trodden under foot?

When does the 2300 days (years) begin and end?

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Re: Daniel, 2300 days.
« Reply #1 on: Mon May 07, 2018 - 11:11:50 »
The 2,300 day period of Daniel 8:14 is the first of the four digit numbers in the prophecy, but it has been the last to be made clear.

Such a realization has led me to conclude that the mystery suspense (adventure) novel stems from the closing /sealing and opening / unsealing process associated with the Book of Daniel.

Jesus says that the body is the temple of the Holy Spirit; so solve Daniel 8:14 and you have the end of days, the time of the "age to come".

This was also foretold at Fatima, Portugal in 1917 A.D. as "an era of peace".

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Re: Daniel, 2300 days.
« Reply #2 on: Mon May 07, 2018 - 15:57:55 »

When does the 2300 days (years) begin and end?

30 days prior to the tribulation when the daily sacrifice is taken away until 250 days short of the full 2520 days of the full seven years of tribulation.

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Re: Daniel, 2300 days.
« Reply #3 on: Mon May 07, 2018 - 16:10:37 »
It’s weird in the Septuagint, it is rendered 2,400 days instead of 2,300 days.

https://www.biblestudytools.com/lxx/daniel/8-14.html

And some ancient manuscripts read 2200 days.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/74285-timeline-2300-2200-evenings-mornings-daniel.html
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Re: Daniel, 2300 days.
« Reply #4 on: Mon May 07, 2018 - 16:37:13 »
It’s weird in the Septuagint, it is rendered 2,400 days instead of 2,300 days.

https://www.biblestudytools.com/lxx/daniel/8-14.html

The 2,400th day then is April 8, 2019 A.D., a year from now less one month, three years less one month later from the 1,335th day of Daniel 12:12, Ascension Sunday, May 8, 2016 A.D.

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Re: Daniel, 2300 days.
« Reply #5 on: Mon May 07, 2018 - 16:38:27 »
It’s weird in the Septuagint, it is rendered 2,400 days instead of 2,300 days.

https://www.biblestudytools.com/lxx/daniel/8-14.html

And some ancient manuscripts read 2200 days.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/74285-timeline-2300-2200-evenings-mornings-daniel.html



Hi Jaime, I also read that there is one version of a Catholic bible that says 2400 days. I'm just going by the majority I suppose like those many versions of Bible Hub with 2300 days. I attempted to use one year to one day counting, the Jewish calendar instead of the Gregorian and still did not come to a conclusion. The 2300 days work in my calculations.

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« Reply #6 on: Mon May 07, 2018 - 16:39:01 »
Sign, what's the context of Daniel 8:1, to the question found in Dan.8:13, and the answer in verse 14?

Let me help out. The vision occurred in 546 B.C., the third year of the reign of king Belshazzar.

Verse 3 the ram having two horns, Medes and Persians.

Verse 5, the he-goat represents Alexander about the year 333 B.C.

Verse 7, the war that raged between Alexander and the Persians ending in 331 B.C.

Verse 8, the great horn is broken, Alexander dies 323 B.C.

Verse 8, Four notable one came up after Alexander's death. These are his four generals, Cassander, Lysimachus, Ptolemy, and Seleucus.

Out of one of these four comes forth a little horn. This little horn represents the next two hundred years of the family of Antiochus that would rule from 281 B.C. until 68 B.C. 68 B.C. ended the Greek Empire.

These first 12 verses never move into the era of the Roman Empire.

Verse 13 asks the question concernig the mighty Greek Empire, it, consolidated by king Seleucus early in the year 281 B.C. In late August of 281 B.C. he was murdered, and his son Antiochus the 1st took over the kingdom of Greece.

So I believe the questions concerning  the daily (perpetual) (blood) sacrifices and the transgression of desolation (Jews disobedience) to the laws of God and including their idol worship and eventually the murder of their own Messiah is the transgression of desolation being spoken of.

To this day "the sanctuary (the ground where the Holy place and the Holy of Holies once stood) and the host (believing Jews and Christians) is yet being trodden under foot (by the gentile nations).

So, my answer to the when is:
Of course, tasking into consideration all the years that passed between verse 1 and 12, 2300 days cannot be meant, that's only 6.3 years. Therefore 2300 has to represent years. 2300 years from 281 B.C. brings us to the August or September of 2019 A.D. "Then (from that time forward, and for the next seven years) shall the sanctuary be cleansed." Seven years of cleansing the land, purging both the unbelieving Jews and the gentiles will bring us to September of 2026 A.D.

Also, May of 2019 is the year the nation of Israel will COMPLETE their 70th year as a nation. Their enemies, Syria, Lbiya, Iran, Turkey, Eithopia, and other Muslim nations, as prophesied in Ezekiel 38:5-6.

Just a side note: according to the world censes, as of now, there are approximately 14,300,000 Jews world-wide. God is said to always have a small reminant of believers. The population growth of the Jews is one of the slowest of all other races in the world. Of couse only God knows exactly how many there are, but by August or September of 2019 there is estimated to be 14,400,000 Jews world-wide. One tenth of one persent of that number in 144,000. It's most likely a coincidence, but then again, maybe not! It's possible the Lord will take from that number, his 144,000 ?????????
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Re: Daniel, 2300 days.
« Reply #7 on: Mon May 07, 2018 - 16:49:01 »
This is probably a dumb question, but wouldn’t the solar years (365.25 days) need to be converted to lunar years (360 days)?

2300 x 360/365.25 = 2267 days
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Re: Daniel, 2300 days.
« Reply #8 on: Mon May 07, 2018 - 17:31:06 »
This is probably a dumb question, but wouldn’t the solar years (365.25 days) need to be converted to lunar years (360 days)?

2300 x 360/365.25 = 2267 days


Not dumb at all. The year-day calculations were based on the Jewish calendar, and applied to Israel's 490 years for instance, and even when Daniel was taken to prophesies of end times concerning the seven years of tribulation, or the week as it's called in Dan 9:27 is divided into two halves of 1260 days of 3 1/2 years of 360 days each. There is a shortining of the second half of the tribulation we read of in Mat 24:22  And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

We read of the two witnesses in Rev 11:3  And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days. (3 1/2 years of 360 days).

I hope I'm addressing what you're looking for.

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Re: Daniel, 2300 days.
« Reply #9 on: Mon May 07, 2018 - 17:49:28 »
Thanks Larry.

By the way, if the persecution is to be shortened for the sake of the elect, would that not be an argument for a mid trib rapture for the elect to be “outta here”?
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« Reply #10 on: Mon May 07, 2018 - 18:05:11 »
I don't believe there's a shortening of days concerning the 3 1/2 years. I believe the verse is saying, if it wasn't stopped at exactly 3 1/2 years "There would no flesh be saved."

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Re: Daniel, 2300 days.
« Reply #11 on: Mon May 07, 2018 - 18:46:33 »
Thanks Larry.

By the way, if the persecution is to be shortened for the sake of the elect, would that not be an argument for a mid trib rapture for the elect to be “outta here”?

Ephesians 2:19 says it this way.  Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God.
Ephesians 3:15   Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named.

Now let’s add Rev 12:1. And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: 
Rev 12:6   And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. (That’s 3 ½ years of the tribulation.)

As far as the elect of the church being out of here by the middle of the week, it’s for sure, and the 144,000 are the last part to arrive. The 24 elders were in heaven with Christ when He received His own throne in Rev 4:2 prior to the tribulation, and the Great Multitude were caught up out of great tribulation somewhere in the tome before the 144,000.

Ephesians 2:19 says it this way.  Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God.
Ephesians 3:15   Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named.

Now let’s add Rev 12:1. And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars. 
Rev 12:6   And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. (That’s 3 ½ years of the tribulation.)
As far as the elect of the church being out of here by the middle of the week, it’s for sure, and the 144,000 are the last part to arrive.
Are there any of the household of God after the church? Yes. Rev 12:17  And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. 




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« Reply #12 on: Mon May 07, 2018 - 22:49:02 »
I also read that there is one version of a Catholic bible that says 2400 days.

Which one?

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Re: Daniel, 2300 days.
« Reply #13 on: Mon May 07, 2018 - 23:13:59 »
Sign, what's the context of Daniel 8:1, to the question found in Dan.8:13, and the answer in verse 14?

It is a prophetic vision of the end times (time of the end).

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Re: Daniel, 2300 days.
« Reply #14 on: Mon May 07, 2018 - 23:53:05 »
Hi Jaime, I also read that there is one version of a Catholic bible that says 2400 days.

Which one?

Hi "the_sign, and thanks for the inquiry. I cannot find the original URL I thought I read, but I may have also been mistaken how it read. This following post on Goggle says it in the following manner..

The Sanctuary and the Twenty-three Hundred Days of Daniel 8:14 ...
https://m.egwwritings.org/en/book/1408.184
'evening morning,' is used by the prophet Daniel to denote a civil day, in his famous chronological prophecy of the 2300 days, Daniel 8:14. ... all the ancient versions, except the Vatican copy of the Septuagint, which reads 2400, followed by Symmachus; and some copies noticed by Jerome, 2200; both evidently literal errors, ...



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Re: Daniel, 2300 days.
« Reply #15 on: Wed May 09, 2018 - 09:43:43 »
Larry concerning the question , "When does the 2300 days (years) begin and end?

You replied, "30 days prior to the tribulation when the daily sacrifice is taken away until 250 days short of the full 2520 days of the full seven years of tribulation."

My question to you is, "How in the world does that fit into the context of chapter 8? The chapter begins with the Medio Persian Empire, through the Grecian Empire and won't ends until the Holy place and the Holy of Holies is cleansed (the sanctuary), and that hasn't happened yet. Also, in verse 26, Daniel is told to close the book; this part was written around 546 B.C. "For it shall be for many days (meaning years). The word many in the Hebrew here means a "LONG TIME!"

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Re: Daniel, 2300 days.
« Reply #16 on: Wed May 09, 2018 - 13:44:34 »
Larry concerning the question , "When does the 2300 days (years) begin and end?

You replied, "30 days prior to the tribulation when the daily sacrifice is taken away until 250 days short of the full 2520 days of the full seven years of tribulation."

My question to you is, "How in the world does that fit into the context of chapter 8? The chapter begins with the Medio Persian Empire, through the Grecian Empire and won't ends until the Holy place and the Holy of Holies is cleansed (the sanctuary), and that hasn't happened yet. Also, in verse 26, Daniel is told to close the book; this part was written around 546 B.C. "For it shall be for many days (meaning years). The word many in the Hebrew here means a "LONG TIME!"

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Dan 8:11  Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away. I don’t know if this will make sense to you at this point, but the taking away of the daily sacrifice is going to be done according to Dan 9:27. Dan 9:27  And he (Who is this “he”? Is this not the anti-Christ?) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week (Middle of the seven years of tribulation) he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Dan 8:13  Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
Dan 8:14  And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
What part of the dispersion lasted 2300 days?  It was 490 years if I’ve got that right, but in we see less than the full sixty-nine weeks I the time rebuilding which Nehemiah finished in Dan 9:25  Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks (This was 7 years), and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

Thanks for your questions; I’d started forgetting the answers to much of this, and am digging again, but I’ve got a lot of notes and studies I can search when my old mind fails.

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Re: Daniel, 2300 days.
« Reply #17 on: Wed May 09, 2018 - 20:41:43 »
Larry, there are several questions that need to be answered before any conclusions can be drawn.

1. Daniel 8:9, begins with "and," therefore it takes us back to verse 8. Also verse 10 begins with "and," taking us back to verse 8 and 9. The end of verse 8 is speaking of "four notable ones (plural)" toward the four winds, meaning the four generals that took over after Alexander the Great died. they took for themselves all of the conquered areas, North, South, East and West, (four winds) of Alexander's kingdom.

2. Verse 9 speaks of a little horn that "came forth" out of one of the 4 notable ones.

3. It is agreed that the notable one refers to King Seleucus, who established and consolidated the powerful Seleucid empire, this accomplished in 281 B.C. After his death, from his loins came the family of Antiochus (it) waxed great." meaning it grew in power as time went by. The family of Antiochus would rule the Greek Empire for another 200 years. This whole family of Antiochus hated the Jews, and did everything in their power for over 200 years to destroy the Jews, their religion and culture.

4. That family trampled under foot all that was Jewish, their God, their fathers, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, their holy days their sacrifices, etc. etc. Several of the Antiochus's took on the title of "theos," meaning God, claiming to be God.

5. Concerning the daily sacrifice, the family of Antiochus attempted and succeeded in preventing the Jews from their temple worship, "the daily sacrifice" was taken away; their holy place, and the Holy of Holies was cast down.

6. These verses also point to a future antichrist who will double down on what the Greeks did to the Jews. "It, (not he) cast down the truth (gospel of Jesus Christ,) to the ground; and it practiced (opposed) and prospered."

Verses 8 thru 11 cover almost 2300 years to this day.

One more issue Daniel 9:27, "He shall confirm the covenant with many for one week."

Two questions arise from this verse.

1. Who is the He?

2. And what is the covenant.

I use the K.K.B. Note, the punctuation marks in verse 27. Colons and commas, no periods. This tells us the thoughts in the first part of the verse to the end of the sentence are a one continuous thought, each ensuing thought is connected to the thought that precedes it.

The "he" is a subject for another time, but a covenant is only made by God with man. "he shall confirm the covenant" means exactly what it said, To confirm a covenant means it has to already exist in order to be confirmed. "It shall" means, it will be done." BUT, in the middle of the confirmation of this covenant Jesus began to confirm with the Jews, the "he" shall cause the (blood) sacrifice and (bloodless) oblations (offerings) to cease. Who did this?

Jesus began to confirm his new covenant (Jeremiah 31:31) for 3 1/2 years, from October of 26 A.D. when anointed by the Holy Spirit, High Priest after the order of Melchizedek. He was cut off exactly 3 1/2 years into his earthly ministry, leaving 3 1/2 years. The final 3 1/2 years "shall" come to ,thus finishing, as prophesied, the full 7 years.

Jesus days before the cross spoke of the Jews being cut off from his new covenant.

Matthew 23:38, Jesus is speaking, "Behold, Your (the Jews) house (the whole land) is left (present tense) unto you desolate."

Who will confirm the final 3 1/2 years? read Revelation 11:3 to end. 

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Re: Daniel, 2300 days.
« Reply #18 on: Wed May 09, 2018 - 23:14:31 »

Larry, there are several questions that need to be answered before any conclusions can be drawn.

1. Daniel 8:9, begins with "and," therefore it takes us back to verse 8. Also verse 10 begins with "and," taking us back to verse 8 and 9. The end of verse 8 is speaking of "four notable ones (plural)" toward the four winds, meaning the four generals that took over after Alexander the Great died. they took for themselves all of the conquered areas, North, South, East and West, (four winds) of Alexander's kingdom.

2. Verse 9 speaks of a little horn that "came forth" out of one of the 4 notable ones.

3. It is agreed that the notable one refers to King Seleucus, who established and consolidated the powerful Seleucid empire, this accomplished in 281 B.C. After his death, from his loins came the family of Antiochus (it) waxed great." meaning it grew in power as time went by. The family of Antiochus would rule the Greek Empire for another 200 years. This whole family of Antiochus hated the Jews, and did everything in their power for over 200 years to destroy the Jews, their religion and culture.

4. That family trampled under foot all that was Jewish, their God, their fathers, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, their holy days their sacrifices, etc. etc. Several of the Antiochus's took on the title of "theos," meaning God, claiming to be God.

5. Concerning the daily sacrifice, the family of Antiochus attempted and succeeded in preventing the Jews from their temple worship, "the daily sacrifice" was taken away; their holy place, and the Holy of Holies was cast down.

6. These verses also point to a future antichrist who will double down on what the Greeks did to the Jews. "It, (not he) cast down the truth (gospel of Jesus Christ,) to the ground; and it practiced (opposed) and prospered."

Verses 8 thru 11 cover almost 2300 years to this day.

One more issue Daniel 9:27, "He shall confirm the covenant with many for one week."

Two questions arise from this verse.

1. Who is the He?

2. And what is the covenant.

I use the K.K.B. Note, the punctuation marks in verse 27. Colons and commas, no periods. This tells us the thoughts in the first part of the verse to the end of the sentence are a one continuous thought, each ensuing thought is connected to the thought that precedes it.

The "he" is a subject for another time, but a covenant is only made by God with man. "he shall confirm the covenant" means exactly what it said, To confirm a covenant means it has to already exist in order to be confirmed. "It shall" means, it will be done." BUT, in the middle of the confirmation of this covenant Jesus began to confirm with the Jews, the "he" shall cause the (blood) sacrifice and (bloodless) oblations (offerings) to cease. Who did this?

Jesus began to confirm his new covenant (Jeremiah 31:31) for 3 1/2 years, from October of 26 A.D. when anointed by the Holy Spirit, High Priest after the order of Melchizedek. He was cut off exactly 3 1/2 years into his earthly ministry, leaving 3 1/2 years. The final 3 1/2 years "shall" come to ,thus finishing, as prophesied, the full 7 years.

Jesus days before the cross spoke of the Jews being cut off from his new covenant.

Matthew 23:38, Jesus is speaking, "Behold, Your (the Jews) house (the whole land) is left (present tense) unto you desolate."

Who will confirm the final 3 1/2 years? read Revelation 11:3 to end. 

Phil


I agree with much of Alexander being the one talked divided into four kingdoms, but separate when it comes to 2300 years. Rome came on the scene, and will seem to be revived in the future.

Something else I differ on is the identy of the two little horns of Daniel. The one of Dan 7:21  I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them; is the anti-Christ as we call the man of sin.

The little horn of Dan 8:11 is the false prophet determined to destroy all things holy, and takes away the only thing representing Christ left. Brother, I reckon that there's just some things we'll have to wait and see what things are true of what we believe. I personally have not seen these things come to pass in our generation.

Blessings in Christ Jesus.


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Re: Daniel, 2300 days.
« Reply #19 on: Thu May 10, 2018 - 00:32:34 »
This is probably a dumb question, but wouldn’t the solar years (365.25 days) need to be converted to lunar years (360 days)?

2300 x 360/365.25 = 2267 days

I don't find it dumb.  The change of calendar poses a further curiosity, but the Holy Spirit has sent a key prophecy in the 1500's A.D. in the Roman calendar first, which then leads directly into the counting of the lunar months.

http://risen-from-the-dead.forumotion.com/t102-century-iv-95#129

Further curiosity of a basis is appeased with :

http://risen-from-the-dead.forumotion.com/t103-century-v-53

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« Reply #20 on: Thu May 10, 2018 - 09:07:13 »
Larry: Rome, the 4th beast never died, it remains to this day. The only difference is, the faces and names changed, but the 4th beast of Daniel never died. I'm about to post a timeline concerning the 4th beast, Rome. It began around 68 B.C. faded away in the 5th century passed on to the Roman Catholic Church's empire, then to its daughters, England, Germany, etc., followed by the Muslim's conquests that occupy a great part of the old Roman empire today. The Ottoman now Islam, both born by way of Mohomet's hatred for the Jews and the Catholic church. 

What most people forget concerning the Roman Empire is, a great part of their empire was in Northern Africa, modern Muslim nations we call Libya, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Turkey, then we have Israel itself, and the European nations, Spain, Italy, Greece, Britain, France, Germany, and even more.

America, Canada, South America, can be regarded as part of the expanded 4th beast. These nations all grew from Rome. Not speaking of the land, but of those who settled here. People from Germany, France, Spain: Catholics, Muslims, Protestants etc. The 4th beast of Daniel never died it just fragmented and "waxed great" meaning it grew and grew. And who do you think all of these represent concerning Daniel's prophesy? The "feet and toes of Iron and miry clay." 

Interesting stuff!
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