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Do you believe in Pre, Mid, or End of tribulation rapture?
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If you have done some study on the subject of the rapture.
You fill find a good arguement for each theory (all backed by scripture. So it is safe to say that the rapture timing...Is a mystery of God.

Myself, I believe in a mid tribulation period rapture and that the Pre-Tribulation rapture is a deception by Satan for Christians.
Many times in the Old Testement, God tested his peoples faithfulness.  Abraham for example

Now when the greatest test of our faith as Christians is at our door steps....The "Well Trained" Christian, believes they will dodge Gods judgement (and chooses to close their mind to the possibility, that they may be tested by God during the tribulation.

You may have to face the first 1/2 of the tribulation

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I believe in all three.   ::smile::

In Jesus' name.

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« Reply #2 on: Wed Sep 30, 2009 - 21:48:54 »
I am a pan tribulationist.

I am going to wait and see how it all pans out!

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« Reply #3 on: Thu Oct 01, 2009 - 00:07:23 »
Since I don't see what else has to happen before the Lord Jesus comes for His church, as seen in 1 Thess. 4, I guess that means I am Pre-Millennial.

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So which resurrection does it accompany?

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« Reply #5 on: Thu Oct 01, 2009 - 03:00:54 »
Corbley

To call the  Pre Trib Rapture a deception of Satan is offensive to those who believe it. Such a statement should be backed up with Scriptural facts and if you cared anything for your brothers and sisters you would be able to tell us how we are being led astray.

You can't do it because you can only go on your own suppositions.


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« Reply #6 on: Thu Oct 01, 2009 - 04:14:46 »

I believe in all three.   ::smile::

In Jesus' name.




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« Reply #7 on: Thu Oct 01, 2009 - 05:10:04 »
Corbley

To call the  Pre Trib Rapture a deception of Satan is offensive to those who believe it. Such a statement should be backed up with Scriptural facts and if you cared anything for your brothers and sisters you would be able to tell us how we are being led astray.

You can't do it because you can only go on your own suppositions.

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Well, it won't do any good to give Scriptural facts because those whom are deceived today won't accept Scriptural facts.  Nevertheless here goes:

Matt.24:29  "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:"

30  "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."

31  "And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

Can't get any more clearer than that!

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« Reply #8 on: Thu Oct 01, 2009 - 08:11:39 »
Corbley

To call the  Pre Trib Rapture a deception of Satan is offensive to those who believe it. Such a statement should be backed up with Scriptural facts and if you cared anything for your brothers and sisters you would be able to tell us how we are being led astray.

You can't do it because you can only go on your own suppositions.



All you need to do is research Darby and Schofield... paying specific attention to some of the published correspondence from Schofield to his colleagues.  Their non-biblical framework was rejected by all but a few people during their times... but they wanted to popularize their wild theory and went about it in an intentionally deceptive way.. through institutions like Dallas Theological Seminary and moving to the south where religious instruction was very lax.  

Pre-millenial dispensationalism is most definitely the work of the satan.. there is no doubt about it. Just look at the skewed world view it creates.. the death and destruction it has fostered in Palestine.. and the rejection of religion from the public discourse in America.

Here is a good link to some of the shennanigans that Schoefield was up to.

http://poweredbychrist.homestead.com/files/cyrus/scofield.htm

And this guy was pretty much the man that made dispensationalism so popular... go figure.



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« Reply #9 on: Thu Oct 01, 2009 - 10:45:28 »
I've given all my reasons for not believing in a pre-tribulation rapture in my blog under Part Eleven titled "On what day will the rapture occur?".

My viewpoint is unique - I don't know of anyone who agrees with it - but I know of many who don't agree with it.  So anyway, I guess that means they're all wrong...  rofl


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« Reply #10 on: Thu Oct 01, 2009 - 13:26:57 »
If one diligently peruses the array of Scripture pertainig to the end times, it is difficult to hold to a dogmatic eschatalogical view. There is sufficient Scripture backing premillennial, amillenial and postmillenial viewpoints.

I hold to the premillenial view that Christ will come to set up His 1,000 year reign (literal or figurative, I cannot tell) because there seems to be more Scripture to support premillennialism. However, I reject the (step 1) pre-tribulation rapture followed by the (step 2) Lord's sudden return. The bulk of Scripture seems to discount any "phasing" of the Lord's Second Coming; thus I lean toward a belief in one sudden return of the Lord and one general judgment as per Matt. 25:31-46.

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« Reply #11 on: Thu Oct 01, 2009 - 13:51:51 »
I do not believe in any of the theories of a pre, post or mid rapture teaching even though I use to believe in a pretribulation rapture until I read the supported scriptures for myself and found them to not support what many are teaching. I did an extensive study on this and unfortunately it is to long to post in here so I put it in a blog titled Second Coming of Christ.
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« Reply #12 on: Thu Oct 01, 2009 - 14:28:54 »
I do not believe in any of the theories of a pre, post or mid rapture teaching even though I use to believe in a pretribulation rapture until I read the supported scriptures for myself and found them to not support what many are teaching. I did an extensive study on this and unfortunately it is to long to post in here, but I have it on my website if you would like to read it as I think it will open a lot of eyes and ears to the Spiritual truth of Gods word. Go to www.ourchurch.com/member/m/ministering and click on Second Coming of Christ and get your Bible out and allow the Holy Spirit to show you all truths.

Debbie---It's interesting how God is showing you exclusively how to interpret scripture.  The only problem is the Bible warns us against this.  Read 2 Peter.

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« Reply #13 on: Thu Oct 01, 2009 - 18:54:48 »
Corbley

To call the  Pre Trib Rapture a deception of Satan is offensive to those who believe it. Such a statement should be backed up with Scriptural facts and if you cared anything for your brothers and sisters you would be able to tell us how we are being led astray.

You can't do it because you can only go on your own suppositions.

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Well, it won't do any good to give Scriptural facts because those whom are deceived today won't accept Scriptural facts.  Nevertheless here goes:

Matt.24:29  "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:"

30  "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."

31  "And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

Can't get any more clearer than that!

AMEN

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« Reply #14 on: Thu Oct 01, 2009 - 19:18:06 »
Tantor, you can't be serious. You blame premillenialism on the creation of a "skewed world". That is totally bizarre. ???
You have no grounds for your opinion that the doctrine of Pre Trib Rapture is a deception of Satan.

Schofield and Darby followed Paul who said there would be a rapture, and who called it by its proper term "caught up".

(1Th 4:16)  For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

(1Th 4:17)  Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Rapture teaching cannot be clearer than these two verses. As for the timing we don't know of course but we do know that

(1Th 5:9)  For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,


We know also that The 7 year Tribulation period that will fall upon the earth is known as God's wrath Rev 6:16-17.

Believers have no part in that, and are actually exhorted to look for the "Glorious Appearing" of our Lord Jesus Christ. We could hardly be looking for it if we didn't believe He would appear or could at any time. Titus 2:13

The satanic deception that is taking place at the moment is that which convinces people not to be looking for His coming. The delusion is that  the bible doesn't mean what it says but requires individual interpretation and allegory which is where the church mainly stands now. Faithless.

I would put forth to you that the skewed world to which you refer is skewed because the church has fallen into the apostasy prophesied for these end times and it has grown weak, without faith because it doesn't know what to believe. When we throw the bible out then we get a skewed church and a skewed world.

I feel the need to point out that the rest of the world does not tie its religion to its politics. Our Christianity does not exist because of our patriotic views

Be blessed  ::smile::



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« Reply #15 on: Thu Oct 01, 2009 - 19:41:04 »
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Well, it won't do any good to give Scriptural facts because those whom are deceived today won't accept Scriptural facts.  Nevertheless here goes:

Matt.24:29  "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:"

30  "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."

31  "And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

Can't get any more clearer than that!


 
 
 



I find the Scripture very clear. For one thing these verses have nothing to do with The Rapture. Jesus is telling the Jews about The Tribulation. He is not referring to the church in any way.

If you think "the elect"to which He refers is the Church I think if you study the nature of The Tribulation you will find He is referring to a remnant of Israel where they are gathered at the end of The Tribulation.

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Oneof the major Divine purposes for the tribulation in relation to Israel is theconversion of the Jewish remnant to faith in Jesus as their Messiah. This will take place throughout thetribulation, but by the end of the seven-year period the entire number of theelect remnant will become converted to Jesus. That number is likely a third of the Jewish people as notedin Zechariah 13:9. "And I willbring the third part through the fire, refine them as silver is refined, andtest them as gold is tested. Theywill call on My name, and I will answer them; I will say, 'They are My people,'and they will say, 'The Lord is myGod.'" As part of the process ofbringing the Jewish remnant to faith Zechariah 13:8 speaks of a purging out ofthe non-elect Jewish element from the nation. "'And it will come about in allthe land,' declares the Lord,'that two parts in it will be cut off and perish; but the third will be left init.'" The Old Testament prophetsspeak frequently of the purging out of the Jewish non-elect during thetribulation.
http://www.pre-trib.org/article-view.php?id=273

Thanks for at least sharing the Scriptures. Listening goes both ways.










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« Reply #16 on: Thu Oct 01, 2009 - 20:04:37 »
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Now when the greatest test of our faith as Christians is at our door steps....The "Well Trained" Christian, believes they will dodge Gods judgement (and chooses to close their mind to the possibility, that they may be tested by God during the tribulation.

Well trained Christians KNOW that Jesus faced God's judgment on their behalf. That is why the Scriptures say Christians are not appointed to wrath.

I have noticed that some "Christians" seem to feel that they need to suffer further, obviously they don't understand the sufficiency of the cross.

It is worthy to note that while Corbley and I aren't suffering physical persecution at this time, Christians through the ages and now worldwide are suffering for their faith.
 
God's purpose for the tribulation is to restore Israel (Jer. 30:3, 10) and judge the Gentiles (Jer. 30:11)....Isa 13:9  Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

I can't see the church involved in this because she has been declared righteous in Christ Jesus



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« Reply #17 on: Fri Oct 02, 2009 - 09:54:43 »
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Now when the greatest test of our faith as Christians is at our door steps....The "Well Trained" Christian, believes they will dodge Gods judgement (and chooses to close their mind to the possibility, that they may be tested by God during the tribulation.

Well trained Christians KNOW that Jesus faced God's judgment on their behalf. That is why the Scriptures say Christians are not appointed to wrath.

I have noticed that some "Christians" seem to feel that they need to suffer further, obviously they don't understand the sufficiency of the cross.

It is worthy to note that while Corbley and I aren't suffering physical persecution at this time, Christians through the ages and now worldwide are suffering for their faith.
 
God's purpose for the tribulation is to restore Israel (Jer. 30:3, 10) and judge the Gentiles (Jer. 30:11)....Isa 13:9  Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

I can't see the church involved in this because she has been declared righteous in Christ Jesus



Of course you can't see Christians going through this....Yet time and time again in the bible....God tests his people.    It is not the suffering of the tribulation that Christians will endure.   Christ did that for us
it will be a test of our faith.   God will provide for his own.....But those Christians who claim to know God now, will betray him for their own self preservation

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« Reply #18 on: Fri Oct 02, 2009 - 12:58:52 »
To fish153 it is not an exclusive thing to know Gods word as all of us should be studying by allowing the Holy Spirit to teach us all things we need to know for the timing we need it, John 14:26.

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« Reply #19 on: Fri Oct 02, 2009 - 13:30:56 »
Tantor, you can't be serious. You blame premillenialism on the creation of a "skewed world". That is totally bizarre. ???
You have no grounds for your opinion that the doctrine of Pre Trib Rapture is a deception of Satan.

Schofield and Darby followed Paul who said there would be a rapture, and who called it by its proper term "caught up".

(1Th 4:16)  For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

(1Th 4:17)  Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Rapture teaching cannot be clearer than these two verses. As for the timing we don't know of course but we do know that

(1Th 5:9)  For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,


We know also that The 7 year Tribulation period that will fall upon the earth is known as God's wrath Rev 6:16-17.

Believers have no part in that, and are actually exhorted to look for the "Glorious Appearing" of our Lord Jesus Christ. We could hardly be looking for it if we didn't believe He would appear or could at any time. Titus 2:13

The satanic deception that is taking place at the moment is that which convinces people not to be looking for His coming. The delusion is that  the bible doesn't mean what it says but requires individual interpretation and allegory which is where the church mainly stands now. Faithless.

I would put forth to you that the skewed world to which you refer is skewed because the church has fallen into the apostasy prophesied for these end times and it has grown weak, without faith because it doesn't know what to believe. When we throw the bible out then we get a skewed church and a skewed world.

I feel the need to point out that the rest of the world does not tie its religion to its politics. Our Christianity does not exist because of our patriotic views

Be blessed  ::smile::




Schofield abandoned his wife and kids then divorced them.. then swindled his mother in law out of her life savings and spent 6 months in jail for it.  Then he started dating 3 months prior to his divorce and then he remarried later on.  He embodies everything that a moral majority based dispensational congregation would run out of town.. yet you believe his lies hook line and sinker.

Darby was expelled by his peers.

If anything, all they followed were the voices in their heads instead of scripture.

NOBODY.. and I REPEAT.. NOBODY believed in the pre-trib rapture until the 1800's.  So what you believe is a myth created by Satan to steer the faithful away from the gospel.


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AMEN Tantor..

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« Reply #21 on: Sat Oct 03, 2009 - 01:47:27 »
Well, you macho males can go through The Tribulation if  that form of self flagellation appeals to you.

I won't be there! 

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« Reply #22 on: Sat Oct 03, 2009 - 02:03:01 »
Ms M:

1 Thess. 4 speaks of the Lord Jesus returning for His church, and this is the next event we look for, rather than anything else.

Take care.

Well, you macho males can go through The Tribulation if  that form of self flagellation appeals to you.

I won't be there! 

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« Reply #23 on: Sat Oct 03, 2009 - 02:47:27 »
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Now when the greatest test of our faith as Christians is at our door steps....The "Well Trained" Christian, believes they will dodge Gods judgement (and chooses to close their mind to the possibility, that they may be tested by God during the tribulation.

Well trained Christians KNOW that Jesus faced God's judgment on their behalf. That is why the Scriptures say Christians are not appointed to wrath.

I have noticed that some "Christians" seem to feel that they need to suffer further, obviously they don't understand the sufficiency of the cross.

It is worthy to note that while Corbley and I aren't suffering physical persecution at this time, Christians through the ages and now worldwide are suffering for their faith.
 
God's purpose for the tribulation is to restore Israel (Jer. 30:3, 10) and judge the Gentiles (Jer. 30:11)....Isa 13:9  Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

I can't see the church involved in this because she has been declared righteous in Christ Jesus




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« Reply #24 on: Sun Oct 04, 2009 - 23:53:36 »
I don't believe in a literal rapture. Doesn't make much sense to me.

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All you need to do is research Darby and Schofield... paying specific attention to some of the published correspondence from Schofield to his colleagues.  Their non-biblical framework was rejected by all but a few people during their times... but they wanted to popularize their wild theory and went about it in an intentionally deceptive way.. through institutions like Dallas Theological Seminary and moving to the south where religious instruction was very lax. 



Interesting! I find Scofield to be a lier. Distorted Gods word for his personal gain. Not many agree..

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All you need to do is research Darby and Schofield... paying specific attention to some of the published correspondence from Schofield to his colleagues.  Their non-biblical framework was rejected by all but a few people during their times... but they wanted to popularize their wild theory and went about it in an intentionally deceptive way.. through institutions like Dallas Theological Seminary and moving to the south where religious instruction was very lax.  



Interesting! I find Scofield to be a lier. Distorted Gods word for his personal gain. Not many agree..


These pre-trib theories started in the 1800’s and continued with Margaret MacDonald in Port Glasgow, Scotland who first taught the pretrib view in 1830. Her theory was handed down to us through such men as J.N. Darby, Edward Irving, C.I. Lewis and many others to present day. Notice the word theory. Theory is just the carnal minds way of interpreting something. The Bible never mentions a seven year Great Tribulation as we will always have tribulations and persecutions until the day Jesus returns in the clouds to take us home. If you have a Strong's Concordance look up the word tribulation for yourself and also look up Margaret MacDonald and you can read her writings.

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« Reply #27 on: Mon Oct 05, 2009 - 20:57:33 »
Within the Bible's use of the word 'tribulation' there is the principle of tribulation but also a unique time.

1 Thess. 4 contains the Lord's coming for His people. I see nothing that must happen first.

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« Reply #28 on: Mon Oct 05, 2009 - 21:44:58 »
Within the Bible's use of the word 'tribulation' there is the principle of tribulation but also a unique time.

1 Thess. 4 contains the Lord's coming for His people. I see nothing that must happen first.

Coming for His people, in what way?  He prayed that that they wouldn't be taken out of this world but kept from evil.
And you're wrong as far as history & the Lord's coming was concerned. There was plenty that was to come before the coming of the Lord.

I hope that helped you understand that Scripture says differently than from what you may feel or "see" in it or something else.

The siege began on Passover. Many there for the feast would be shut in the madness & death of the city. Just like in the days of Noah, they were eating & drinking........





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« Reply #29 on: Mon Oct 05, 2009 - 22:15:01 »
Within the Bible's use of the word 'tribulation' there is the principle of tribulation but also a unique time.

1 Thess. 4 contains the Lord's coming for His people. I see nothing that must happen first.

farouk........this isn't funny because you are absolutely right. Very difficult to argue points with those who are on a different wavelength altogether.

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1Th 4:17  Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

"Caught up" means caught up not difficult to understand, tense is future, not difficult either.
So, at least we can discuss in harmony.  ::nodding::

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« Reply #30 on: Mon Oct 05, 2009 - 22:22:25 »
Ms M:

Yes, it's like us saying, for our view, pls refer to the Bible. It's pretty obvious.

Take care.

Within the Bible's use of the word 'tribulation' there is the principle of tribulation but also a unique time.

1 Thess. 4 contains the Lord's coming for His people. I see nothing that must happen first.

farouk........this isn't funny because you are absolutely right. Very difficult to argue points with those who are on a different wavelength altogether.

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1Th 4:17  Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

"Caught up" means caught up not difficult to understand, tense is future, not difficult either.
So, at least we can discuss in harmony.  ::nodding::

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Re: Do you believe in Pre, Mid, or End of tribulation rapture?
« Reply #31 on: Mon Oct 05, 2009 - 22:24:50 »
We can be caught up in love, romance, football, lives of others, we can be caught up in lots of ways.

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Re: Do you believe in Pre, Mid, or End of tribulation rapture?
« Reply #32 on: Mon Oct 05, 2009 - 22:25:50 »
...but the context is 1 Thess. 4.

It's in the Bible.

We can be caught up in love, romance, football, lives of others, we can be caught up in lots of ways.

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Re: Do you believe in Pre, Mid, or End of tribulation rapture?
« Reply #33 on: Tue Oct 06, 2009 - 10:48:33 »
1Th 4:17  Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


 and so shall we ever "be in the clouds"  with the Lord. ?

Is the whole verse literal?

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Re: Do you believe in Pre, Mid, or End of tribulation rapture?
« Reply #34 on: Tue Oct 06, 2009 - 10:52:14 »
Eagle,

As you know, it refers to the place of meeting. Not necessarily the place that the Lord's people will be with Him for eternity.

I'm sorry, but I find your question almost cynical.

1Th 4:17  Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


 and so shall we ever "be in the clouds"  with the Lord. ?

Is the whole verse literal?