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Offline Corbley

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Do you believe in Pre, Mid, or End of tribulation rapture?
« on: September 30, 2009, 08:41:52 PM »
If you have done some study on the subject of the rapture.
You fill find a good arguement for each theory (all backed by scripture. So it is safe to say that the rapture timing...Is a mystery of God.

Myself, I believe in a mid tribulation period rapture and that the Pre-Tribulation rapture is a deception by Satan for Christians.
Many times in the Old Testement, God tested his peoples faithfulness.  Abraham for example

Now when the greatest test of our faith as Christians is at our door steps....The "Well Trained" Christian, believes they will dodge Gods judgement (and chooses to close their mind to the possibility, that they may be tested by God during the tribulation.

You may have to face the first 1/2 of the tribulation

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« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2009, 08:46:51 PM »

I believe in all three.   ::smile::

In Jesus' name.

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Re: Do you believe in Pre, Mid, or End of tribulation rapture?
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2009, 08:48:54 PM »
I am a pan tribulationist.

I am going to wait and see how it all pans out!

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« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2009, 11:07:23 PM »
Since I don't see what else has to happen before the Lord Jesus comes for His church, as seen in 1 Thess. 4, I guess that means I am Pre-Millennial.

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« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2009, 01:08:44 AM »
So which resurrection does it accompany?

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Re: Do you believe in Pre, Mid, or End of tribulation rapture?
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2009, 02:00:54 AM »
Corbley

To call the  Pre Trib Rapture a deception of Satan is offensive to those who believe it. Such a statement should be backed up with Scriptural facts and if you cared anything for your brothers and sisters you would be able to tell us how we are being led astray.

You can't do it because you can only go on your own suppositions.


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« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2009, 03:14:46 AM »

I believe in all three.   ::smile::

In Jesus' name.




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Re: Do you believe in Pre, Mid, or End of tribulation rapture?
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2009, 04:10:04 AM »
Corbley

To call the  Pre Trib Rapture a deception of Satan is offensive to those who believe it. Such a statement should be backed up with Scriptural facts and if you cared anything for your brothers and sisters you would be able to tell us how we are being led astray.

You can't do it because you can only go on your own suppositions.

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Well, it won't do any good to give Scriptural facts because those whom are deceived today won't accept Scriptural facts.  Nevertheless here goes:

Matt.24:29  "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:"

30  "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."

31  "And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

Can't get any more clearer than that!

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« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2009, 07:11:39 AM »
Corbley

To call the  Pre Trib Rapture a deception of Satan is offensive to those who believe it. Such a statement should be backed up with Scriptural facts and if you cared anything for your brothers and sisters you would be able to tell us how we are being led astray.

You can't do it because you can only go on your own suppositions.



All you need to do is research Darby and Schofield... paying specific attention to some of the published correspondence from Schofield to his colleagues.  Their non-biblical framework was rejected by all but a few people during their times... but they wanted to popularize their wild theory and went about it in an intentionally deceptive way.. through institutions like Dallas Theological Seminary and moving to the south where religious instruction was very lax.  

Pre-millenial dispensationalism is most definitely the work of the satan.. there is no doubt about it. Just look at the skewed world view it creates.. the death and destruction it has fostered in Palestine.. and the rejection of religion from the public discourse in America.

Here is a good link to some of the shennanigans that Schoefield was up to.

http://poweredbychrist.homestead.com/files/cyrus/scofield.htm

And this guy was pretty much the man that made dispensationalism so popular... go figure.



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Re: Do you believe in Pre, Mid, or End of tribulation rapture?
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2009, 09:45:28 AM »
I've given all my reasons for not believing in a pre-tribulation rapture in my blog under Part Eleven titled "On what day will the rapture occur?".

My viewpoint is unique - I don't know of anyone who agrees with it - but I know of many who don't agree with it.  So anyway, I guess that means they're all wrong...  rofl


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Re: Do you believe in Pre, Mid, or End of tribulation rapture?
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2009, 12:26:57 PM »
If one diligently peruses the array of Scripture pertainig to the end times, it is difficult to hold to a dogmatic eschatalogical view. There is sufficient Scripture backing premillennial, amillenial and postmillenial viewpoints.

I hold to the premillenial view that Christ will come to set up His 1,000 year reign (literal or figurative, I cannot tell) because there seems to be more Scripture to support premillennialism. However, I reject the (step 1) pre-tribulation rapture followed by the (step 2) Lord's sudden return. The bulk of Scripture seems to discount any "phasing" of the Lord's Second Coming; thus I lean toward a belief in one sudden return of the Lord and one general judgment as per Matt. 25:31-46.

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Re: Do you believe in Pre, Mid, or End of tribulation rapture?
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2009, 12:51:51 PM »
I do not believe in any of the theories of a pre, post or mid rapture teaching even though I use to believe in a pretribulation rapture until I read the supported scriptures for myself and found them to not support what many are teaching. I did an extensive study on this and unfortunately it is to long to post in here so I put it in a blog titled Second Coming of Christ.
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« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2009, 01:28:54 PM »
I do not believe in any of the theories of a pre, post or mid rapture teaching even though I use to believe in a pretribulation rapture until I read the supported scriptures for myself and found them to not support what many are teaching. I did an extensive study on this and unfortunately it is to long to post in here, but I have it on my website if you would like to read it as I think it will open a lot of eyes and ears to the Spiritual truth of Gods word. Go to www.ourchurch.com/member/m/ministering and click on Second Coming of Christ and get your Bible out and allow the Holy Spirit to show you all truths.

Debbie---It's interesting how God is showing you exclusively how to interpret scripture.  The only problem is the Bible warns us against this.  Read 2 Peter.

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Re: Do you believe in Pre, Mid, or End of tribulation rapture?
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2009, 05:54:48 PM »
Corbley

To call the  Pre Trib Rapture a deception of Satan is offensive to those who believe it. Such a statement should be backed up with Scriptural facts and if you cared anything for your brothers and sisters you would be able to tell us how we are being led astray.

You can't do it because you can only go on your own suppositions.

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Well, it won't do any good to give Scriptural facts because those whom are deceived today won't accept Scriptural facts.  Nevertheless here goes:

Matt.24:29  "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:"

30  "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."

31  "And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

Can't get any more clearer than that!

AMEN

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« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2009, 06:18:06 PM »
Tantor, you can't be serious. You blame premillenialism on the creation of a "skewed world". That is totally bizarre. ???
You have no grounds for your opinion that the doctrine of Pre Trib Rapture is a deception of Satan.

Schofield and Darby followed Paul who said there would be a rapture, and who called it by its proper term "caught up".

(1Th 4:16)  For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

(1Th 4:17)  Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Rapture teaching cannot be clearer than these two verses. As for the timing we don't know of course but we do know that

(1Th 5:9)  For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,


We know also that The 7 year Tribulation period that will fall upon the earth is known as God's wrath Rev 6:16-17.

Believers have no part in that, and are actually exhorted to look for the "Glorious Appearing" of our Lord Jesus Christ. We could hardly be looking for it if we didn't believe He would appear or could at any time. Titus 2:13

The satanic deception that is taking place at the moment is that which convinces people not to be looking for His coming. The delusion is that  the bible doesn't mean what it says but requires individual interpretation and allegory which is where the church mainly stands now. Faithless.

I would put forth to you that the skewed world to which you refer is skewed because the church has fallen into the apostasy prophesied for these end times and it has grown weak, without faith because it doesn't know what to believe. When we throw the bible out then we get a skewed church and a skewed world.

I feel the need to point out that the rest of the world does not tie its religion to its politics. Our Christianity does not exist because of our patriotic views

Be blessed  ::smile::