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End of Days
« on: Mon Jul 06, 2015 - 20:49:53 »
Today, Tuesday, July 7, 2015 A.D., is the 1,029th day in the 1,290 and 1,335 day periods of Daniel 12:11 & 12, respectively.

And if one equates the 1,335th day of Daniel 12:12 with the 2,300th day of Daniel 8:14, then this is also the 1,994th day in the 2,300 day cleansing period of Daniel 8:14; however continuing to the 1,994th day proper in sequence after the 1,335th day, Ascension Sunday, May 8, 2016 A.D., that 1,994th day is February 26, 2018 A.D.

Equating the two dates is a carry over from Algebra II where two results are equated to solve for a third.
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Re: End of Days
« Reply #1 on: Tue Jul 07, 2015 - 11:25:28 »
877 BCE is the year Samuel, the last judge of Israel, died. (1 Samuel 16:13, 25:1)

70 * 70 = 4900 and 877 + 4900 = 5777

 Jewish year 5777 is 2017.

 Daniel 9:24 "Seventy sevens are determined upon thy people...." 1947 + 70 = 2017

Jeremiah 25:12-14 "when seventy years are accomplished, I will punish the king of Babylon ...
For many nations and great kings shall be served by them also,
and I will recompense them according to their deeds, and according to the works of their own hands." 1947 + 70 = 2017

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Re: End of Days
« Reply #2 on: Tue Jul 07, 2015 - 16:17:53 »
Yep, I can tell that the first two posts were written by *newbies*.

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« Reply #3 on: Tue Jul 07, 2015 - 16:37:08 »
Does that observation provide more information to this thread than the first two posts do?

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Re: End of Days
« Reply #4 on: Tue Jul 07, 2015 - 17:42:22 »
Jewish year 5777 is 2017.

Introducing 2017 A.D. into this thread isn't so unrelated.

The civil year 2015 A.D. is the only year that will ever contain parts of both a non-Judgment year and a Judgment year.

This year's Liturgical Calendar will end on August 31st for the Byzantines, and November 28th for the Latin Rite.

What follows Liturgically is of the Judgment (March 25th through May 8, 2016 A.D. being the specific final 45 days), so hence the terminology that the next year begins Years of the Judgment.

The civil year 2016 A.D., though containing solely Liturgical Years of the Judgment, has the First Year of the Judgment (which begins in 2015 A.D. and ends in 2016 A.D.) bordering a non-Judgment year.

But the civil year 2017 A.D. will be the first stand alone Judgment (Civil) Year without any direct contact as such with non-Judgment years.

Although the best reckoning of the Day of the Lord is the 1,335th day as foretold in Daniel 12:12, viz., "Blessed is he who waits and comes unto 1,335 days.", and that it is often referenced only as a 'Day', our current understanding of the passing of time necessitates a plausible sequence of counting (eschatology) in order to grasp the magnanimity of the "Last Day" (the 1,335th) and the following eternal subsequence.
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Re: End of Days
« Reply #5 on: Tue Jul 07, 2015 - 18:22:17 »
 ::help::You know guys, I'll bet for most people here not a lot of that makes sense. Can you break it down so that you don't act as if we're all right there with you in your eschatological whatever that is? That would be great in helping move this thread along I bet.  ::nodding::

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Re: End of Days
« Reply #6 on: Tue Jul 07, 2015 - 19:18:32 »
In short, there are 260 days left until Judgment Day, then 45 days to the Day of the Lord.

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« Reply #7 on: Tue Jul 07, 2015 - 19:24:30 »
In short, there are 260 days left until Judgment Day, then 45 days to the Day of the Lord.

What happens on the 261st day when we're all still here?

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Re: End of Days
« Reply #8 on: Tue Jul 07, 2015 - 20:24:10 »
What happens on the 261st day when we're all still here?

The soul is eternal, where do you think you need to be on March 25, 2016 A.D.?

Earth is still a good place to be, for the Master taught, "Blessed are the meek, they shall inherit the earth."
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Re: End of Days
« Reply #9 on: Tue Jul 07, 2015 - 21:24:21 »
The earth that was given to Satan to lord over?

Sounds like the Harold Camping campaign didn't die with him.

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Re: End of Days
« Reply #10 on: Tue Jul 07, 2015 - 21:56:59 »
The earth that was given to Satan to lord over?

No, the earth of the new heavens and earth as per 2 Peter 3:10-14.

I wrote this recently as a recollection of something that occurred and that has significance in determining the start of the count :

One day c. 1970, I was in a car in the city in the back passenger side, my dad was driving, and my brother in front of me. We began to go through an intersection, and seemingly out of nowhere came another vehicle which would have hit us portside, the driver obviously running an amber/red traffic light. Other vehicles with a more direct view were even heard to blow their horns. Because the oncoming vehicle was coming at us broadside, and it all happened so quickly, there was barely time to react. At one point of time, however, it was evident that impact was unavoidable.

But the vehicles never collided in the physical sense. Both the oncoming vehicle and the car in which I was a passenger literally passed through each other. My brother and I both tensed before what would have been normal impact, and just after the encounter, he asked our dad, "Did you see that?". I only remember him nodding in the affirmative.

About a year ago I began to look more closely at a prophecy concerning the elements in this world igniting while the new heavens and earth come in the glory of God's Kingdom.

Somehow I think that miracle (sign) some 45 years ago was a prefigurement of the awesomeness to come, especially since that prophecy speaks of two heavens and earth, yet we pray, "world without end".

I added this bit of commentary at a later post :

The same event is often reported differently by witnesses only within a few feet of each other.

For me, I also remember one of my other brothers being in that back seat on the drivers side for what seemed like a brief moment, and then he vanished, like Christ appearing to His disciples in the upper room. That same brother died on March 19, 2009 A.D. after a c. 40 day bout with complications due to an automobile accident on February 9, 2009 A.D.

He (the second king of Persia as per Daniel 11:2) became incoherent on February 12th, marking the beginning of something very important concerning these last days with regard to a prophecy by Michel de Nostradame (Nostradamus) :

"The realm left to two they will hold it very briefly,
Three years and seven months passed by they will make war:
The two Vestals will rebel in opposition,
Victor the younger in the land of Brittany."

The "two Vestals" are China and USA.
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Re: End of Days
« Reply #11 on: Wed Jul 08, 2015 - 06:43:03 »
I have read this sign seeking for the past 50 years. They come and they go. As I recall, the Seventh Day Adventists were to be raptured in 1975 (not real sure of the date, but, in the 70's)
I asked a 7th day man that I knew at that time (who believed this) if he would deed his property over to me? He bulked at the idea----get my point?

First, the human mind is not equipped to handle the ramifications of "knowing the time or the seasons which the Father has put in his own power" (Acts 1:8).
Let's get real here---Since Jesus did not know this end time formula that has been kicked around since the Temple in Jerusalem was obliterated by the Romans and the Jews have taken up residence in New York, Chicago, Miami Beach and wherever a buck can be made---how ya going to round them up to go back to a land where their cousins, the son's of Ishmael threaten to kick their ass?
By the way there "the_sign"----would you like to deed your property over to me for safe keeping?

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Re: End of Days
« Reply #12 on: Fri Jul 10, 2015 - 14:21:28 »
I have read this sign seeking for the past 50 years.
If any interpretation was given previous to 1,997 days for the 2,300 day cleansing period of Daniel 8:14 it hasn't a speck of a chance of being right.

If any interpretation was given previous to 1,032 days for the 1,290 and 1,335 day periods, ditto.

Daniel 12:9 states so explicitly.

The count cannot be ascertained outside of the time of the end outlined in Daniel 12:11 & 12, and 8:14.

But 2 Thess. 2:6 states that the "man of sin" shall reveal himself in "his own time", viz., the period of 1,290 days.

It is he who writes this. (cf. Daniel 8:23, 11:3-4, 11:21)

I have known every king in Daniel 11 personally.

And on November 8, 2012 A.D., Daniel 11:40 was fulfilled, a "coming to grips" foretold to be at the time of the end, and I have documentation to prove it.

It so happened that on that day it was 58 days into the count.

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Re: End of Days
« Reply #13 on: Sat Jul 11, 2015 - 06:59:27 »
the-sign..: "I have known every king in Daniel 11 personally."
Really?...Well I can't top that...But, I once roller skated in a buffalo herd.

Daniel's prophecy was not about the end of time...But the end of national Judaism, which included the Temple, priesthood, alter, and the blood sacrifices of animals, etc. 
The spot--light of prophecy was not on the second coming of Jesus, but His entrance into the world, and God's plan of redemption for all man kind (1 John 2:2).

Jesus Christ,- the beginning of the New Covenant and HIS spiritual kingdom He came preaching.
"You must be born anew" He informed Nicodemus.

Peter writes: "Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or the manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the suffering of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but to US (Apostles) they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Spirit sent down from heaven; which the angels desired to look into." (1 Peter 1:10-12).
Peter never even mentions the "second coming" in the context. Why? because it is not for man to know!

What is it about "It is not for you to know the times or the seasons the Father has put in his own authority"?
Since the prophets "did not know" and the angels "desired to look into" I have a real problem with  anyone mathematically trying to figure out the second coming.
Recall what Jesus said about sign seekers? They are "an adulterous generation."
You surely do not want sign seeking on your resume when entering "the pearly gates."
I wonder how many Christians will have egg on their faces when coming face to face with the Lord, and He asks---where and why did you come up with that date??



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Re: End of Days
« Reply #14 on: Sat Jul 11, 2015 - 13:32:51 »
Really?

I've recently replied to another post that quoted what you also have referenced :

"But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father." :

As the resurrected angel of Exodus 23:20, when I was being resurrected, I wasn't aware that I was being resurrected, so that day and hour has come upon us exactly as foretold.

As the resurrected angel of Exodus 23:20, I have come through three wombs.

Since I took my first breaths again after having come through that third womb I have come to have met other resurrected souls.

The most recent resurrected soul of whom I am aware has been the resurrected Adam, the first man that God created.

He sang of "Eva" in the middle of the night.

I came through that third womb with a diametrically opposed conjoined twin, he is the resurrected Judas Iscariot.

We were separated when I received Holy Communion from "Gloria Olivae", one of the pontiffs in the St. Malachy prophecy.

I have also met the resurrected Pontius Pilate.

And the man that the East calls Mohammed the prophet, has been resurrected in the West.

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Coming to an accurate account involved the passing of one of the kings of Persia foretold in Daniel 11:2.

It really hasn't been a sign seeking venture on my part.

We had been through a lot together, I went to visit him, unbeknownst to me at the time, when he was dying, as I still thought later that he might pull through; I knew him to be fairly tough, but when I saw him heaving on a breathing machine, I knew it was serious.

His incoherence two days prior marked a fulfillment of a 16th century prophecy, which also served as a key to open that which was sealed by prophet Daniel.

It wasn't until ca. four years later when I stood before the resurrected Pontius Pilate conversing with him about these things that we arrived at this conclusion.

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« Reply #15 on: Sat Jul 11, 2015 - 19:17:10 »
Wow, you have talked to all these people and the verse that says of that day and hour no one knows means that we do not know the date of our rebirth, into enlightenment, where we can even talk to Judas Iscariot who did what he was supposed to do according to his own personal gospel and apparently is still partying in heaven as we speak.  This all sounds like something from a Essene gnostic gospels, which teach that works brought Christ to earth through some portal in northern Israel, and ironically they found these texts at around the same time as the state of Israel was formed.  Maybe someone's hoping to find this portal...

Unfortunately, I am really not kidding.  That is what one of the below articles says along with many instances condemning Paul for teaching things backwards and corrupting scripture.   

Some very good material straight from the horses mouth on the Essene's gnostics.   ::destroyingcomputer::

http://www.essene.org/Ancient_Essenes.htm

http://www.askwhy.co.uk/christianity/0280SevenChurches.php

http://www.essene.com/TheEsseneHumaneGospel/index.html

Anyways, so in reality no one should probably know the day and hour except the Father in Heaven because if that information was made public, the devil would take it and try to gather as many minions to prepare for that day and hour, which he is still doing.  But, I bet he would love to know the day and hour.  It is for our own good to not have something like this that the devil wants to get his hands on (1 Peter 5:8).    ::tippinghat::

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« Reply #16 on: Sun Jul 12, 2015 - 12:13:45 »
I hate to burst your bubble, but we don't have adequate documentary or archaeological evidence to tell us when the decree to rebuild Jerusalem was issued.  The documentary evidence we do have is contradictory with the sources not agreeing on how many Persian kings actually reigned.  Since the chronology for Cyrus the Great is based on the chronology for these other kings, we can't know what the chronology for Cyrus really is.

We can, however, date the birth of Christ fairly accurately to 2 BC using astronomy (extremely rare conjunctions of Jupiter and Venus and 3 conjunctions of Jupiter and the star Regulus in Leo and Jupiter's appearance directly over Bethlehem on December 25, 2 BC). 

We can also date the crucifixion to 30 AD which was the only Wednesday Passover to occur in the years 28-34 AD so Christ would have His 3 days in the tomb (sunset Wednesday to Sunset Saturday for the tomb to be found empty at sunrise Sunday).

So it's easier to figure out when Daniel's timelime ends than when it began.

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Re: End of Days
« Reply #17 on: Sun Jul 12, 2015 - 22:59:13 »
Anyways, so in reality no one should probably know the day and hour except the Father in Heaven
No one did know except the Father in Heaven.

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Re: End of Days
« Reply #18 on: Tue Jul 14, 2015 - 06:24:50 »
The gift of interpretation is not chained by the judgment of man.

It was foretold that the words were closed and sealed until the time of the end (Daniel 12:9), and the opening and unsealing is proceeding with precision.

Regarding the decree :

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To which can also be added that the "going forth of the word to rebuild Jerusalem" prefigured the preaching of the Gospel to the nations.

Considering that the Church of Latter Day Saints has its written origin in America, according to the Book of Mormon, when some of the Israelites were allowed to leave the Holy Land at the time of the Babylonian captivity, the going forth of the word would have to have been complete when all the Israelites knew of the decree, which could have included an active 'grape-vine' at the time in order to bring the "going forth" to some sort of resolution.

So it's easier to figure out when Daniel's timelime ends than when it began.
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Re: End of Days
« Reply #19 on: Thu Jul 16, 2015 - 13:48:32 »
"We can also date the crucifixion to 30 AD which was the only Wednesday Passover to occur in the years 28-34 AD so Christ would have His 3 days in the tomb (sunset Wednesday to Sunset Saturday for the tomb to be found empty at sunrise Sunday)."

So it's easier to figure out when Daniel's timelime ends than when it began.

How ya going to wrangle "Wednesday" in with Scripture that says He was taken down on the day of preparation" (Friday)? John 19:30-42.

"Preparation" has long been the regular name for Friday in the Greek language.
The Scriptures are clear that early Friday morning (preparation day) Jesus was formerly condemned by the Sanhedrin. He was then sent to Pilate, who found him innocent (John 18:38b). Jesus was then sent to Herod Antipas, who mocked Him (Luke 23:11), but refused to judge Him. Jesus was returned to Pilate, who offered to release Him or Barabbas and, twice more, pronounced Him innocent (John 19:4,6b). Pilate finally yielded to the Jews, washed his hands, and "delivered Jesus to be ...crucified." (Mark 15:15b)

It is paramount in understanding the time frame of Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection that the first three words Jesus spoke from the Cross, between 9:00 A.M. and 12:00 noon, were: (1) Word of Forgiveness (Luke 23:34, (2) Word of Promise (Luke 23:43), and (3) Word of Care (John 19:26, 27a). 
The last four words Jesus spoke from the Cross were uttered in the darkness that came over "all the land" from noon to 3:00 PM. These words were: (1) Word of Loneliness (Matthew 27:46b), (2) Word of Suffering (John 19:28b), (3) Word of Triumph (John 19:30b, (4) Word of Trust (Luke 23:46b).

To get "Wednesday" into the mix one will need a crowbar to get around John 19:14.
Then, of course, the Scriptures would throw a wrench into Daniels time line wouldn't it?

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Re: End of Days
« Reply #20 on: Mon Jul 20, 2015 - 10:32:54 »
Friday, Saturday, and Sunday still accounts for "and in three days" (John 2:19).

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« Reply #21 on: Tue Jul 28, 2015 - 01:31:29 »
In short, there are 260 days left until Judgment Day, then 45 days to the Day of the Lord.

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« Reply #22 on: Tue Jul 28, 2015 - 09:53:09 »
Curious; I love the way some of you put these dates out and seem to be so absolutely positive about them. 2016, 2017, etc. The one about 70 years added to 1945 cracks me up. 

My Bible tells me 69 of these weeks of years concerning Daniel's prophesy ended when the Lord was cut off, leaving one week, not 70. Also what does the destruction of the Jewish Temple have to do with anything? Answer, Nothing!

From Malachi until the Lord came, the Temple and all the worship by the Jews was for nothing. God was not hearing them, or receiving their worship. The Levitical priest-hood had been abandoned, the ark of the covenant was gone, the mercy seat, the eternal flame, and the priest in Jesus day were an abomination unto the Lord every time they stepped into the inner sanctuary.

Jesus never brought a sacrifice to the Temple, not that I know of except for himself, a "Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" and the Jews rejected him. I think some of you need to reconsider your position, I'm sure you do not want to be numbered with other false prophets. Why don't you start with Hosea 6:2.

One more thing, John was given a continuation of Daniel's revelation, things Daniel was not told by the Lord. Rev.1:19-20, "Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are and the things which shall be hereafter. The MYSTERY of the seven stars (the Christian Church, and its future.)"
 

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Re: End of Days
« Reply #23 on: Tue Jul 28, 2015 - 12:35:16 »
My Bible tells me 69 of these weeks of years concerning Daniel's prophesy ended when the Lord was cut off,

Christ's Own wilful acceptance of baptism through His own command marked the beginning of the 70th week of years.

Christ was slain exactly in the middle of that 70th week of years, exactly as foretold, and that was the "shortening" of the 70 weeks foretold in Daniel 9:24.

The magnitude/meaning of mankind's Redemption that day is such that all of Creation centers upon it : past, present, and future.

The remainder of that 70th week is as good as the remainder of eternity as Christ's Kingdom is without end.

But in writing, as given, the prophecy does have an end, as do the other visions of Daniel and the prophecies of the remaining chapters.

They all converge on the 1,335th day.

leaving one week,

And what a mighty week that is.

not 70.

Who told you that 70 - 69 = 70?

Also what does the destruction of the Jewish Temple have to do with anything?

That was foretold in Daniel 9:26.

Abominations have continued, as have desolations.

So has further prophecy been given to open and unseal that which was closed and sealed.
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« Reply #24 on: Wed Jul 29, 2015 - 18:48:44 »
I hate to burst your bubble, but we don't have adequate documentary...to tell us when the decree to rebuild Jerusalem was issued. 


Oh yes we do.

(Luk 20:17)  And he beheld them, and said, What is this then that is written, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner?

It is called, "The New Covenant". And it is Marvellous!  Here is how we see to know when Jerusalem began to be rebuilt;

It started with "The Cornerstone"...

(Mat 21:42)  Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

Fulfilling;

(Psa 118:22)  The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner.
(Psa 118:23)  This is the LORD'S doing; it is marvellous in our eyes.

(Isa 28:16)  Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.

(Act 4:10)  Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
(Act 4:11)  This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.

(1Pe 2:6)  Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded...  Unto you therefore which believe he is precious

Those who are blind to this and look for something "else" something "future" or something "physical" like the Pharisees did, are described further;

(1Pe 2:7)... but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
(1Pe 2:8)  And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

This is how the goats are separated from the sheep.

If we recognize this "Building of God", we will know that it is "made without hands" (as opposed to a "physical" building "made with hands";

(Dan 2:45)  Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands...

(Mar 14:58)  We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands.

(Act 7:48)  Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
(Act 7:49)  Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?

(2Co 5:1) ...we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

The following words of Paul should sober up those who think otherwise, as though some futuristic Jerusalem temple is unfulfilled words of the prophets. For that is a lie.

(1Co 3:9)  ... ye are God's building.

(1Co 3:10)  According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.

(1Co 3:11)  For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

(1Co 3:12)  Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
(1Co 3:13)  Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
(1Co 3:14)  If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
(1Co 3:15)  If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
(1Co 3:16) Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

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Re: End of Days
« Reply #25 on: Wed Aug 12, 2015 - 17:00:38 »
Since the day of the first Pentecost, the Holy Spirit coming in the Name of Jesus Christ is a fulfillment of Daniel 12:9, the words being closed and sealed until the appointed time. Prophetically speaking, the opening and unsealing will never cease, because of the prophecy that Christ's Kingdom is without end.

The prophecy says, "from the going forth of the word to rebuild the Temple until Christ the Prince".

This does not necessarily mean the day and/or year on which the decree was given, but must mean the day and year on which all of Israel knew of this. Factor in the Mormons who were allowed to be released at the start of the Babylonian Captivity and sail to America, it was later than 457 B.C. We would have to attribute the Native American Indians as being messengers of such information.

The 70 weeks of years prophecy is amazing in more than one way.

The very manner in which the going forth of the word ensued, is a foreshadowing of what Christ said about "this Gospel", that it must be preached to the entire world.

Just as Noah and the Flood foreshadows the Judgment by fire.

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Re: End of Days
« Reply #26 on: Wed Aug 12, 2015 - 18:33:45 »
I have read this sign seeking for the past 50 years. They come and they go. As I recall, the Seventh Day Adventists were to be raptured in 1975 (not real sure of the date, but, in the 70's)
I asked a 7th day man that I knew at that time (who believed this) if he would deed his property over to me? He bulked at the idea----get my point?

First, the human mind is not equipped to handle the ramifications of "knowing the time or the seasons which the Father has put in his own power" (Acts 1:8).
Let's get real here---Since Jesus did not know this end time formula that has been kicked around since the Temple in Jerusalem was obliterated by the Romans and the Jews have taken up residence in New York, Chicago, Miami Beach and wherever a buck can be made---how ya going to round them up to go back to a land where their cousins, the son's of Ishmael threaten to kick their ass?
By the way there "the_sign"----would you like to deed your property over to me for safe keeping?

I think you need to talk to a Seventh Day Adventist, so I'll correct your misinformation. Seventh Day Adventists have always believed that no man knows the day or hour of the Lord's return. We believe the rapture takes place at His return, therefore no man knows the day or hour of the rapture either. Many believed that the Lord would return in 1844, but He did not. Some of those who believed such later became Seventh Day Adventists, but the denomination did not exist until 1863 I believe. No man knowing the day or hour of Christ's return has been fundamental to the denomination from it's inception, due obviously to the recent mistake of wrongly thinking otherwise. Perhaps you have mixed up denominations.

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Re: End of Days
« Reply #27 on: Thu Aug 13, 2015 - 07:44:57 »
I have read this sign seeking for the past 50 years. They come and they go. As I recall, the Seventh Day Adventists were to be raptured in 1975 (not real sure of the date, but, in the 70's)
I asked a 7th day man that I knew at that time (who believed this) if he would deed his property over to me? He bulked at the idea----get my point?

First, the human mind is not equipped to handle the ramifications of "knowing the time or the seasons which the Father has put in his own power" (Acts 1:8).
Let's get real here---Since Jesus did not know this end time formula that has been kicked around since the Temple in Jerusalem was obliterated by the Romans and the Jews have taken up residence in New York, Chicago, Miami Beach and wherever a buck can be made---how ya going to round them up to go back to a land where their cousins, the son's of Ishmael threaten to kick their ass?
By the way there "the_sign"----would you like to deed your property over to me for safe keeping?

I think you need to talk to a Seventh Day Adventist, so I'll correct your misinformation. Seventh Day Adventists have always believed that no man knows the day or hour of the Lord's return. We believe the rapture takes place at His return, therefore no man knows the day or hour of the rapture either. Many believed that the Lord would return in 1844, but He did not. Some of those who believed such later became Seventh Day Adventists, but the denomination did not exist until 1863 I believe. No man knowing the day or hour of Christ's return has been fundamental to the denomination from it's inception, due obviously to the recent mistake of wrongly thinking otherwise. Perhaps you have mixed up denominations.

He may be talking about Herbert Armstrong, who made four failed predictions, the last one was was for the rapture to be in 1975.  Mr. Armstrong was part of the Church of God (Seventh Day), which shares a common history of Seventh Day Adventism.  Both groups came from Millerism (named after William Miller, who made the three failed predictions in 1844).  Church of God (Seventh Day) was founded in 1858, five years before the Seventh Day Adventists, which were founded in 1863.

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Re: End of Days
« Reply #28 on: Fri Aug 14, 2015 - 08:17:13 »
I have read this sign seeking for the past 50 years. They come and they go. As I recall, the Seventh Day Adventists were to be raptured in 1975 (not real sure of the date, but, in the 70's)
I asked a 7th day man that I knew at that time (who believed this) if he would deed his property over to me? He bulked at the idea----get my point?

First, the human mind is not equipped to handle the ramifications of "knowing the time or the seasons which the Father has put in his own power" (Acts 1:8).
Let's get real here---Since Jesus did not know this end time formula that has been kicked around since the Temple in Jerusalem was obliterated by the Romans and the Jews have taken up residence in New York, Chicago, Miami Beach and wherever a buck can be made---how ya going to round them up to go back to a land where their cousins, the son's of Ishmael threaten to kick their ass?
By the way there "the_sign"----would you like to deed your property over to me for safe keeping?

I think you need to talk to a Seventh Day Adventist, so I'll correct your misinformation. Seventh Day Adventists have always believed that no man knows the day or hour of the Lord's return. We believe the rapture takes place at His return, therefore no man knows the day or hour of the rapture either. Many believed that the Lord would return in 1844, but He did not. Some of those who believed such later became Seventh Day Adventists, but the denomination did not exist until 1863 I believe. No man knowing the day or hour of Christ's return has been fundamental to the denomination from it's inception, due obviously to the recent mistake of wrongly thinking otherwise. Perhaps you have mixed up denominations.

He may be talking about Herbert Armstrong, who made four failed predictions, the last one was was for the rapture to be in 1975.  Mr. Armstrong was part of the Church of God (Seventh Day), which shares a common history of Seventh Day Adventism.  Both groups came from Millerism (named after William Miller, who made the three failed predictions in 1844).  Church of God (Seventh Day) was founded in 1858, five years before the Seventh Day Adventists, which were founded in 1863.

They certainly fit the bill, seems probable. Thanks for the info.

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Re: End of Days
« Reply #29 on: Wed Aug 19, 2015 - 21:14:03 »
How ya going to wrangle "Wednesday" in with Scripture that says He was taken down on the day of preparation" (Friday)? John 19:30-42.
"Preparation" isn't just Friday.  It's any day that precedes a Sabbath.  Likewise, "Sabbath" isn't just Saturday. It's "Rest."  It's any Jewish Holy Day on which they are commanded to rest.

That Thursday, being a Passover, was a "Sabbath."  Ipso facto, the Wednesday preceding it was a "day of preparation."

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Re: End of Days
« Reply #30 on: Fri Aug 21, 2015 - 05:39:37 »
The German word for Wednesday is "Mittwoch" or mid-week.

That is not the same as the midst, or middle, of the week as used in Daniel 9.

The 'bottom line' for "From the going forth of the word to rebuild Jerusalem" must include the time of the issuing of the decree to rebuild through the time when all of Israel at that time became cognizant of the decree, at which time the "going forth" ceased, and that could have taken years given the Mormons' flight to America.

Such "going forth" is prophetic as to Pentecost and the preaching of the Gospel to all nations.

But when it was asked of Pilate for the Body of Christ, it was to have the Body embalmed and entombed before the immediate sunset before the regular weekly Saturday Sabbath.

If it had been on Wednesday that the Crucifixion occurred, that would have been parts of five days in the tomb which conflicts with what Christ actually said of His Body : "Tear This Temple down, and I will raise it up in three days."

The important word there is "in", which would necessarily include Wednesday itself, propounding a minimum of four days.

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Re: End of Days
« Reply #31 on: Thu Aug 27, 2015 - 03:01:57 »
What are your thoughts on the "Four Blood Moons" prophecy? I dont know a whole lot about the Four Blood Moons so I thought some people on here might have some insight on the issue.

On a lighter note about the blood moons, they look amazing when it happens! I went out to the Mojave Desert out by Edwards Air Force Base to watch one of the eclipses and had a blast. Great night for viewing.

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Re: End of Days
« Reply #32 on: Fri Sep 11, 2015 - 22:10:21 »
What are your thoughts on the "Four Blood Moons" prophecy? I dont know a whole lot about the Four Blood Moons so I thought some people on here might have some insight on the issue.

On a lighter note about the blood moons, they look amazing when it happens! I went out to the Mojave Desert out by Edwards Air Force Base to watch one of the eclipses and had a blast. Great night for viewing.

The fourth is to occur on September 28, 2015 A.D.

This will be the only one of the four within the Judgment.
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Re: End of Days
« Reply #33 on: Sat Sep 16, 2017 - 08:39:35 »
The earth that was given to Satan to lord over?

And actually, that would be "over which to lord" in order to avoid the dangling preposition.

Asking such a question, though, regarding Christ's assurance to the meek isn't putting ones best foot forward, if you catch my drift.

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Re: End of Days
« Reply #34 on: Sat Sep 16, 2017 - 08:56:55 »
And actually, that would be "over which to lord" in order to avoid the dangling preposition.

That is the sort of thing Winston Churchill once complained about when said, "That is the sort of nonsense up with which I shall not put".   ::smile::

Then there was the little girl who asked her mother to come up to her bedroom and read her a bedtime story.  When the mother came into her room with a book the little girl wasn't interested in, she asked her mother, "Why did you bring that book that I didn't want to be read to out of up for?"  ::smile:: ::smile::

 

     
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