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From today forward
« on: Fri Oct 27, 2017 - 11:20:47 »
From today forward, what events concerning end time prophesy, as in, rapture, tribulation, Israel, Middle East, America, wars, peace treaties or anything else that concerns you, do you believe is going to take place before the Lord returns? And in what order? curious.!

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Re: From today forward
« Reply #1 on: Tue Oct 31, 2017 - 16:19:33 »
No takers huh! In the following verses Paul states, "1 Cor.1551, "Behold (pay attention), I show you a mystery." Now, what's a mystery? It's a thing that has been hidden in God, but revealed to us in and at the time God chooses to reveal it. We cannot find anything in the O.T. or in the 4 gospels concerning Gentile's being brought into the Lord's fold, or of the rapture of the church.

Also fo anyone who is going to involve themselves in this discussion, please don't tell me the word rapture is not in the Bible, because, neither is the word Bible in the Bible, but those of us who study this subject know exactly what it means, OK!


OK, let me start; I am going to insert a date that I feel is very close to when all "hecK' will hit the fan Oct.2019. But before that date, I understand that the bride of Jesus Christ, both those who have died, and those who are alive shall,  "be caught up (raptured, snatched up) together with them (those who had died) in the clouds (meaning with the angels of heaven) to meet the Lord in the air: and SO SHALL WE EVER BE WITH THE LORD." 1 Thes.4:16-17.

Support verse is,
1 Cor.15:51-52-53, Paul begins by saying, "Behold (pay attention) I show you a mystery." This means that Paul is about to tell Christian's something never spoken of before, but now to be revealed. This revelation was told to Paul by the Holy Spirit, therefore I consider it to be Biblical. "In a moment, --- at the last trump (singular); --- the dead shall be raised incorruptible (and never to die again), and we (Christian's) shall be changed."

Changed how?
For this corruptible (body) must put on incorruption, and this mortal (you, me) must (has to) put on immortality (never to die again)---."

So now, the bride of Christ has been removed from off the face of this earth and from the horrific events that will rain down on the Jews, on the land of Israel, and on the Gentile nations. There will be no more Christian's left in the world, even in America. Israel will be alone, there will be no one left to pray for them. The wrath of God is about to be turned loose on the evil that has taken over the world.

Let's discuss the above only, don't go any further than the rapture of the church, we can move on to the next step once we reason this out.
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3Ressurection, the reason I stopped communicating on that one post is because all my research and events that follow my work are based on the date of Oc.t.23 4004 B.C. Therefore if we cannot agree on a start date, we can never end up in the same place. I believe that bishop Ussher's work on that one start date is of 4004 B.C. is correct for many reasons, but were all entitled to follow those we choose to follow.

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Re: From today forward
« Reply #2 on: Wed Nov 01, 2017 - 04:10:30 »
From today forward, what events concerning end time prophesy, as in, rapture, tribulation, Israel, Middle East, America, wars, peace treaties or anything else that concerns you, do you believe is going to take place before the Lord returns? And in what order? curious.!
Greetings Phil~Dear sir, "end time timeline" is very simple. The rapture of the church, OR, the resurrection which is ONE and the same, shall occur the last day of this world as we know it. For one of many proofs, we do not need to look any further than the scriptures you quoted above, and they are these:
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1 Cor.15:51-52-53, Paul begins by saying, "Behold (pay attention) I show you a mystery." This means that Paul is about to tell Christian's something never spoken of before, but now to be revealed. This revelation was told to Paul by the Holy Spirit, therefore I consider it to be Biblical. "In a moment, --- at the last trump (singular); --- the dead shall be raised incorruptible (and never to die again), and we (Christian's) shall be changed."
My friend, you gave some of your comments along with scriptures you were quoting, what you failed to do is that you said not one word concering these words spoken by Paul:
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1st Corinthians 15:51,2~"Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."
My dear brother, all premillennialist have a very serious problem in trying to interpret Paul's words to fit their doctrine that there shall yet be six more trumpets AFTER the resurrection of BELIEVERS! Paul clearly said that we shall be raised incorruptible at the LAST TRUMP. Now, my brother, if I reach into my pocket and give to you my LAST dollars, that means there are NO MORE to give, correct? So, my question to you and any other person who believes that several more trumpets shall yet come after the rapture of the church during their so-called tribulation period upon the natural Israel, how do you get around what Paul said here that we shall be changed at the LAST TRUMP, and at the LAST DAY, per Christ in John 6? Sir, do you know what the hallmark of errors is? Not being able to make all scriptures to flow together into ONE cohesive whole TRUTH! Now, if you think you can explain what Paul meant that would flow with
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tribulation, Israel, Middle East, America, wars, peace treaties
Then my brother, speak on, I'm listening.

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Re: From today forward
« Reply #3 on: Wed Nov 01, 2017 - 09:33:23 »
RB: Please, with the word premillennialist, and the rest. I do all my own research, never been a sheep, puppet, or parrot.

Simple answer, the Jews, Paul, and Christian's of that day had no idea, none, that the Lord was going to delay his coming by 1900 + Years, they expected it then, not later.  Another thing I gather from your comments, you do not understand yet that from Rev.4 on deals with the unbelieving Jews, you know, the ones that did and still do reject the Lord as their Messiah, and with  the unbelieving Gentile world. These last 7 years are prophesied against the Jews, not the church.

"Last trump" meaning the last call for the church. What do you think, an angel is going to stand in the sky and blow his literal trumpet? but lets say it's a literal trumpet, what, God only has one set of Trumpets. The Temple itself had several sets of trumpets each set used only for specific occasions, like the call to the Temple, call to arms, etc.

Rev.1:10, "I (John) --- heard behind me a great voice as of a trumpet."

Rev.4:1, "The first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me."

Ex.19:13, "And the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud."

Rev.4:1, following is what Christian's are going to hear when the Lord returns to rapture them away, "Come up hither." I suppose the voice is very, very loud, something like a hmmmmm a  trumpet!

How did the Lord call Lazarus from the dead and from out of his grave, "Lazarus, come forth." No Trumpets.
When I was in the Marines, one man, one trumpet call, and 2000 of us jumped out of bed.

Read the following very carefully:

Dan.9:24, "Seventy weeks (490 Years, 483 have passed) are determined upon your (Daniel's) people (the Jews) and upon the holy city (Jerusalem) to finish (end, conclude) the transgression." I know of no transgression the Christian Church has committed against Jesus Christ, none! So were not going to be punished with God's wrath, vengeance, or tribulation!

"And to make an END of sin, (not ended yet) and to make reconciliation for iniquity." I know of no reconciliation for iniquity the Lord requires from his bride, the church, none!

Like I have told others, if the train is going to leave at a specific time, and not one second later, you had better be there when it's ready to leave, or your going to miss it.

Show me one place where the church is mentioned after Rev.4.

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Re: From today forward
« Reply #4 on: Fri Nov 03, 2017 - 13:17:09 »
After the church is (raptured away) two events will take place. first is the numbering of the 144,000 from the 12 tribes of Israel. If I am correct that this will occur sometime in Oct of 2019. Now according to the world censes there will be some 14,400,000 Jews world wide. One tenth of one % of that number is 144,000, a small remnant God has saved for himself and for his use. I do not believe this is a coincidence. Of course only the Lord knows the exact number of Jews worldwide. Also in May of 2019, Israel will complete its 70th birthday, seventy years in the land.
 
Following the marking of the 144,000 the Two (2) witnesses will be established in Israel, outside Jerusalem. They will prophesy for 3 1/2 years (1260 days) before they are killed by the 1st beast, who is said,

Rev.13:7, "was given unto him to make war with the (two) saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds and tongues and nations."

After the two are killed, Rev.11:9, "And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and a half, and shall not allow their dead bodies to be put in graves. And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; BECAUSE THESE TWO PROPHETS TORMENTED THEM THAT DWELT ON THE EARTH."

These two witnesses will have held off any attempt to hurt or kill them for 3 1/2 years, After that time, when they have completed their testimony, they will be murdered by the 1st beast. And this will have completed Dan.9:27, the full 7 years. The first 3 1/2 years ended when Jesus finished the last supper, 3 1/2 years having passed from his baptism by John and anointed High Priest by the Holy Spirit. So, between the two 3 1/2 year periods = 7 years, Daniel 9:27 will have been completed, halfway through the 7 years of tribulation. 

The Jews have always had a reputation for killing their prophets, 1st Jesus, then the two witnesses. 

Rev.11:10, "These two prophets tormented them (the people of the earth," collectively with ver.6, they had power, "Power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will." 

Rev.11:7, "And when they (two witnesses) shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make WAR against them (two saints,) and shall OVERCOME them and killed them." But it also appears, the two witnesses had wounded the 1st beast and put him out of commission, this setting the stage for the 2ed beast.

The testimony of the two was to bear witness to the gospel of Jesus Christ; two witnesses to and for the truth.

One more time:

This 1st beast shall overcome the two: meaning he will be victorious and prevail over them, compare, Rev.11:7, with,

Rev.13:7, "And it was given unto him (1st beast) to make WAR with the SAINTS (two witnesses) and to OVERCOME them."

The ground idea for saint’s means, they were pure, clean, but it super-adds the idea of respect and veneration was to be given them. 

The witnesses of God are overcome in Rev.13:7, “And it was given unto him (the beast) to make war with the saints.” This is an overlay to Rev.11:7. Don’t be fooled by the word saints, it in no way mean, or points to the church, or to any Christian's, none! Saints is plural, it meaning 2 or more, therefore it refers only to the two witnesses.

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