Harold Camping's Latest End Times Prediction

[admin]

Harold Camping predicted that the Rapture would occur May 21, 2011 but after that seemingly didn't happen, he ammended his prediction and said that the Rapture did occur but that it wasn't a "physical" one. He's claiming the physical one will happen October 21, 2011. Just a few days from now!

Previously his prediction had gathered large followings and media attention but this latest prediction is quietly approaching with little mention. Do you think Camping's prediction should be seriously considered? Is he a "false prophet"? Does he do more harm than good?

What do you think?

[FireSword]

I thought he claimed it would be the end of the world, not a rapture?

[daq]

20 October 2011 is Shemini Atzeret, the Eighth Day, the Great Day of the Feast of Sukkot-Tabernacles. If one were going to pick a day for the "rapture" (besides Yom Teruah-Trumpets) it should have been Shemini Atzeret because it is the day after the Sukkot Week Festival which is considered more of an "afterglow" or "quiet time" with the Master when all of the crowds have gone back to their homes, cities, and daily lives.

21 October 2011 is Simchat Torah, (the day after the Sukkot Week thus following Shemini Atzeret). What Simchat Torah concerns is the ending of the Public Torah readings and the beginning of the new, (the readings end with Deuteronomy 34 and start over). Apparently the date is chosen by Camping because he is following the Noanic flood dates of Genesis chapters seven and eight, (which main flood dates are 2/17 and 7/17). 7/17 is 17 Tishri which is the midst of the Week of Sukkot. The 150 days of the Genesis Flood are exactly 5 months. Camping correctly correlates these 5 months to coincide with the 5 months of Revelation Ch.9, (a typological "demonic flood" is implied). However, these dates run their courses every year: year in, year out, and they are TYPOLOGICAL SHADOWS.

"Simchat Torah or Simḥath Torah (also Simkhes Toreh, Hebrew: שִׂמְחַת תורָה, lit., "Rejoicing with/of the Torah,") is a celebration marking the conclusion of the annual cycle of public Torah readings, and the beginning of a new cycle. Simchat Torah is a component of the Biblical Jewish holiday of Shemini Atzeret ("Eighth Day of Assembly"), which follows immediately after the festival of Sukkot in the month of Tishrei (mid-September to early October on the Gregorian calendar)."
http://www.hebcal.com/holidays/simchat-torah

What Camping fails to realize is the fact that the Genesis Flood dates are already fulfilled in the Supreme Ministry of Christ, (though they are also to be accomplished in each of the saints individually whether we ever realize it in this life or not). Hence, many true saints will be astonished when they stand face to face with Christ and these trials, tribulations, and prophetic things are revealed, and that these things did indeed take place in their own lives, (though they may not have understood the timing of those tribulations in their own lives at that particular time).

Moreover this is a great opportunity to discuss the 1-Year, 490-Day, Ministry of Christ if anyone so desires. Two primary dates are required and they are available with attested history and modern technology. The first is the dating of the 15th year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar (Lk.3:1) which is known to be September 28AD to September 29AD and is well attested even down to the exact year and day that the Roman Senate convened to confirm Tiberius as Emperor, (18 September 14AD).

 

[daq]

For those interested the other critical date is, of course, that of the Passover in the year in which Christ was crucified. As there are multitudes of theories and calculations done by the various scholars concerning such things the best and most reliable information must obviously come from outside of ourselves if it is to be worthy of consideration. The US Navy has thankfully provided the critical information necessary concerning the Spring Equinox dates for the time period in question. In addition, the first full moon to follow each Spring Equinox is also provided in their calculations, as well as the day of the week in which each full moon fell in each said given year, (the day of the week remained unaffected in the switch from Julian to Gregorian calendars). Because the full moon data is provided when can know, (within an accuracy of one to two hours) the date of the Passover in any of the following years listed below from the US Navy Oceanographic-astronomical data for the years in question. The start of 14 Nisan would have been the day following the full moon dates listed below except in cases where the full moon falls on or before about March 27, (in which case on the Hebrew Calendar an extra "Ve-Adar" or "Adar II" intercalary "leap month" would have been added).

Example: "3 April 5  Noon  Thu." (red font below) would have resulted in the Passover date of 14 Nisan falling on Friday, April 6, 3CE, (which date commenced at sundown the evening before in Hebrew Calendar reckoning).

US Navy Oceanographic Astronomical Data
Spring Equinoxes 1CE-38CE (AD)

                  FULL MOON
     On or next after date of Equinox

    Julian            Greenwich        Week
 Cal. Date             Time              Day
===========================
CE
  1 March 27       9 p.m.             Sun.
  2 April 15          7 p.m.             Sat.
  3 April 5             Noon             Thu.
  4 March 25       5 a.m.             Tue.
  5 April 13          3 a.m.            Mon.
  6 April 2          11 a.m.              Fri.
  7 April 21          5 a.m.             Thu. (1)
  8 April 9            6 a.m.            Mon.
  9 March 29        9 a.m.              Fri.
10 April 17          6 a.m.             Thu.
11 April 6            7 p.m.            Mon.
12 March 26       Noon               Sat.
13 April 14          Noon               Fri.
14 April 4            2 a.m.            Wed.
15 March 24       7 a.m.              Sun.
16 April 11             0*                Sat.
17 March 31       1 a.m.            Wed.
18 April 18          7 p.m.            Mon.
19 April 8            4 a.m.              Sat.
20 March 27       7 p.m.            Wed.
21 April 15          8 p.m.             Tue.
22 April 5            Noon              Sun.
23 March 25      11 p.m.            Thu.
24 April 12          6 p.m.            Wed.
25 April 1            7 p.m.             Sun.
26 April 20          Noon               Sat. (2)
27 April 9            4 p.m.            Wed.
28 March 29        3 a.m.            Mon.
29 April 17          3 a.m.             Sun.
30 April 6            8 p.m.             Thu.
31 March 27      11 a.m.             Tue.
32 April 14          9 a.m.            Mon.
33 April 3            3 p.m.              Fri.
34 March 23        3 p.m.             Tue.
35 April 11          8 a.m.            Mon.
36 March 30        2 p.m.              Fri.
37 April 18          Noon              Thu.
38 April 8            3 a.m.             Tue.

(1) Preceding Full Moon, March 22, 1 p.m.
(2) Preceding Full Moon, March 21, 9 p.m.
* Midnight at the beginning of the given date.
http://www.usno.navy.mil/USNO/astronomical-applications/data-services/spring-phenom

The dates shown above in blue font provide the following 14 Nisan dates which each fell the day following those of the full moon dates listed above. The blue font dates above are the most hotly debated Passover dates in question surrounding the possible time of the Ministry of Christ. So the question then becomes: do you trust the US Navy or what some website scholar is purporting? For this information I myself choose to trust the US Navy and their most accurate calculations.

Passover Dates 26AD - 34AD
Per US Navy Oceanographic Astronomical Data
Sundown of preceding evening is 14 Nisan Hebrew Calendar:
26AD - Sunday - 21 April - 14 Nisan (Adar II)
27AD - Thursday - 10 April - 14 Nisan
28AD - Tuesday - 30 March - 14 Nisan
29AD - Monday - 18 April - 14 Nisan (Adar II)
30AD - Friday - 7 April - 14 Nisan
31AD - Thursday - 26 April - 14 Nisan (Adar II)
32AD - Tuesday - 15 April - 14 Nisan
33AD - Saturday - 4 April - 14 Nisan
34AD - Thursday - 22 April - 14 Nisan (Adar II)

The remainder of the feasts, festivals, and their dates may be ascertained by very simple calculations once the dates of the Passovers are known. For instance 15 Tishri, Sukkot I, is always 176-177 days from 14 Nisan (depending on which day the new moon of 1 Tishri is sighted which is why there are Rosh Hashanah I & II). Likewise from Passover 14 Nisan to the first day of the tenth month, Tevet, (Hanukah VII) is always 251-252 days.

Numbers 4:1-3 KJV
1.  And the Lord spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying,
2.  Take the sum of the sons of Kohath from among the sons of Levi, after their families, by the house of their fathers,
3.  From thirty years old and upward even until fifty years old, all that enter into the host, to do the work in the tabernacle of the congregation.

Luke 3:21-23 KJV
21.  Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,
22.  And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.
23.  And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,

Conception of Christ
2BC - 24 Kislev - Hanukah I-VIII

Physical Birth of Christ 9 Months after Conception
1BC - Sukkot-Tabernacles I-VIII

Commencement of 30th Year from Conception
28AD - Hanukah I-VIII

Commencement of 30th Year from Physical Birth
29AD - Sukkot-Tabernacles I-VIII - John 7:1-14

Baptism at Commencement of 30th Year from Conception
28AD - 7 December - Hanukah VII - 1 Tevet - Genesis 8:5
40 Day Wilderness Fast immediately after Baptism - Genesis 8:6
Temptation overcome - Satan "sent away" - Raven - Genesis 8:7

Temple Ministry at Commencement of 30th year from Birth
13 October 29AD - Midst of Sukkot Week - 16 Tishri - John 7:14

180 Day Temple Ministry of Christ - Commenced John 7:14
13 October 29AD - 16 Tishri  <>  9 April 30AD Resurrection - 16 Nisan

Exodus 12:5-6 KJV
5.  Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
6.  And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.

Related ~
Re: "Good Thursday" ~ It was Friday 14 Nisan (Re: #16-18)
« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2011, 07:05:07 AM »

[Ladonia]

Harold Camping predicted that the Rapture would occur May 21, 2011 but after that seemingly didn't happen, he ammended his prediction and said that the Rapture did occur but that it wasn't a "physical" one. He's claiming the physical one will happen October 21, 2011. Just a few days from now!

Previously his prediction had gathered large followings and media attention but this latest prediction is quietly approaching with little mention. Do you think Camping's prediction should be seriously considered? Is he a "false prophet"? Does he do more harm than good?

What do you think?

To your first question no. His predictions are always wrong, wrong, wrong. No again to your second one. This man is an embarassment to the Body of Christ.  To your third question, this man is no prophet. And for the final question, I will repeat, this man is an embarassment to the Body of Christ.

[wave runner]

Everybody still here???  Guess Camping was wrong again.  How many times must this idiot make his projections before fools will stop listening to him?

[FireSword]

Harold Camping predicted that the Rapture would occur May 21, 2011 but after that seemingly didn't happen, he ammended his prediction and said that the Rapture did occur but that it wasn't a "physical" one. He's claiming the physical one will happen October 21, 2011. Just a few days from now!

Previously his prediction had gathered large followings and media attention but this latest prediction is quietly approaching with little mention. Do you think Camping's prediction should be seriously considered? Is he a "false prophet"? Does he do more harm than good?

What do you think?

To your first question no. His predictions are always wrong, wrong, wrong. No again to your second one. This man is an embarassment to the Body of Christ.  To your third question, this man is no prophet. And for the final question, I will repeat, this man is an embarassment to the Body of Christ.

He predicted a previous rapture in 1994.

he uses numerology to predict end time dates. This wisdom does not come from God but it is mans brain.

[sunshine4God]

Everybody still here???  Guess Camping was wrong again.  How many times must this idiot make his projections before fools will stop listening to him?

You are so right.No man knows the day or the hour except for God himself.

[Ladonia]

Well we are all still here. The sun came up this morning so the planet must still be spinning around. Try again Brother Camping.

[admin]

So should he "keep trying" as he and some of his followers have suggested?

[EdwardGoodie]

Harold Camping predicted that the Rapture would occur May 21, 2011 but after that seemingly didn't happen, he ammended his prediction and said that the Rapture did occur but that it wasn't a "physical" one. He's claiming the physical one will happen October 21, 2011. Just a few days from now!

Previously his prediction had gathered large followings and media attention but this latest prediction is quietly approaching with little mention. Do you think Camping's prediction should be seriously considered? Is he a "false prophet"? Does he do more harm than good?

What do you think?

If Harold Camping was living in the old covenant days, he would have been put to death for prophesying falsely.

Deuteronomy 18:20-22 – But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. 21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? 22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

[admin]

Callers to Open Forum, the show Camping hosts, expressed outrage.

“You’re really pathetic, you know? I wasted all my money because of you. I was putting all my money and my hopes on you… I wish I could see you face to face, I would smack you. Mr. Camping, you always say a lot of (redacted) I lost all my money because of you, you (redacted),

[daq]

"Thank you for using the 616 network; you are now free to transact your business"... Oh, that old fox Harry, tell'em tomorrow is gone! He had the truth freely given to him but would have no part of it: "Just gimme those dates, those juicy, juicy, dates!! I don't care about the reasons why because I have my own big-bang-money theory and I just need to input those wonderful, masterful, wonderlustful dates"… "Oh, but Harry, these are the keys to the chronology of the Gospel accounts, information hidden now for 1700 years!" And then they closed that forum, "ProphecyTalk.com" (and the one before that too) and lo, and behold, old Hexakosioi Harry rolls out his rollo-deka-hex-deck with his wonderful, magical, prophetic, ole time Rapture-hour prognostications that absolutely "cannot be wrong" (this time) because, of course, "the Bible says so"… Yet here they are again, the keys to the chronology of the Gospels, and yet again no one seems to take notice… Truly it must be "the end" (certainly for a certain sum-one cuz the morrow is far too spent).

Genesis 8:5-13 KJV
5.  And the waters decreased continually until the tenth month: in the tenth month, on the first day of the month, were the tops of the mountains seen.
[1 Tevet - Hanukah VII - Baptism of Christ]
6.  And it came to pass at the end of forty days, that Noah opened the window of the ark which he had made: [Forty Days Fast - Temptation of Christ]
7.  And he sent forth a raven, which went forth to and fro, until the waters were dried up from off the earth. [the wicked one sent away for a season]
8.  Also he sent forth a dove from him, to see if the waters were abated from off the face of the ground;
9.  But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foot, and she returned unto him into the ark, for the waters were on the face of the whole earth: then he put forth his hand, and took her, and pulled her in unto him into the ark.
10.  And he stayed yet other seven days; and again he sent forth the dove out of the ark;
11.  And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters were abated from off the earth.
12.  And he stayed yet other seven days; and sent forth the dove; which returned not again unto him any more.
13.  And it came to pass in the six hundredth and first year, in the first month, the first day of the month, the waters were dried up from off the earth: and Noah removed the covering of the ark, and looked, and, behold, the face of the ground was dry.

573BC = Ezekiel 40:1  ~  Temple of Yeshua

1 Nisan 29AD = 601st Year (from 573BC) - 1st Month - 1st Day

Luke 4:13-21 KJV
13.  And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season.
14.  And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.
15.  And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.
16.  And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
17.  And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
18.  The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
19.  To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
20.  And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
21.  And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears. [1 Nisan 29AD]

Oh well, to each his own (wonderlustful dates) I suppose,
No sweat off my brow; my forehead is clear of the matter …  

[daq]

PS ~ The three Passover Feasts of the Gospel of John

Deuteronomy 16:16 KJV
16.  Three times in a year shall all thy males appear before the Lord thy God in the place which he shall choose; in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles: and they shall not appear before the Lord empty:

By Law every male MUST appear before YHWH at the Feast of Unleavened Bread which begins with the Passover at sundown 14 Nisan, (15 Nisan is the first day of Unleavened Bread). However, Yeshua is in Galilee at the time of the second Passover of the Gospel of John mentioned in Ch.6 and does not go up to Jerusalem. If the Passover of John 6 is the normal Passover of Abib-Nisan than he broke the Law and would be disqualified as the potential Messiah. Therefore the second Passover of John, mentioned in John 6, CANNOT be the normal Passover which falls on the evening of 14 Nisan and is instead, most certainly, the second Pesach observed in the second month at sundown-evening of 14 Iyyar. The second Passover or "Pesach Sheni" had become more of a festival which was celebrated in the second month because by Law those who had missed the first Passover, for either being "unclean" by reason of a dead body or "in a journey afar off", were required to observe the Passover in the second month. Therefore it was kept also at Jerusalem in the second month amidst more of a "festival-like" atmosphere. Since Yeshua had already been to the primary Passover at Jerusalem the month before he would not have been required by Law to be at Jerusalem at the time of the second month Passover or "Pesach Sheni" mentioned in Jn.6:4.

Numbers 9:9-11 KJV
9.  And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
10.  Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If any man of you or of your posterity shall be unclean by reason of a dead body, or be in a journey afar off, yet he shall keep the passover unto the Lord.
11.  The fourteenth day of the second month at even they shall keep it, and eat it with unleavened bread and bitter herbs.

Passover #1  -  18 April 29AD
14 Abib-Nisan - Yeshua goes up to Jerusalem

John 2:13 KJV
13.  And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.

Passover #2  -  18 May 29AD
14 Iyyar - Pesach Sheni Festival
Yeshua stays in Galilee - Feeding of the Five Thousand

John 6:1-5 KJV
1.  After these things Jesus went over the sea of Galilee, which is the sea of Tiberias.
2.  And a great multitude followed him, because they saw his miracles which he did on them that were diseased.
3.  And Jesus went up into a mountain, and there he sat with his disciples.
4.  And the passover, a feast (GSN#1856 heorte-festival) of the Jews, was nigh.
5.  When Jesus then lifted up his eyes, and saw a great company come unto him, he saith unto Philip, Whence shall we buy bread, that these may eat?

Original Strong's Ref. #1859
Romanized  heorte
Pronounced heh-or-tay'
of uncertain affinity; a festival:
KJV--feast, holyday.

Passover #3  -  7 April 30AD
14 Abib-Nisan - "Good Friday" - Crucifixion

The three Passovers mentioned in John are one Hebrew Calendar year.