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He "cometh at an hour" we think not.
« on: Fri Jan 21, 2011 - 13:39:37 »

Luke 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.


  • When do we "think" He shall come? We're told that He arrives at the seventh trump and...He shall...but here He tells us it isn't then or, isn't just then. I see two lessons in the above. First, the seventh trumpet sounds for days and it begins to sound during the sixth trumpet, during Satan's hour of temptation. That is the "hour when ye think not." But it is the second thought this thread pertains to....



Luke 12:46-47 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.


  • As believers we are all servants of the Lord but all of His servants are not prepared. We know what is expected, we know His commandments but do we "do them?" I must wonder, will those appointed with the unbelivers realize a visit has taken place? Will we realize we are appointed as one that betrayed Him, if our not being prepared was to cause that terrible state?


    Matthew 26:22-23 And they were exceeding sorrowful, and began every one of them to say unto Him, Lord, is it I? And He answered and said, He that dippeth his hand with Me in the dish, the same shall betray Me.


    He comes to us "in a day when he looketh not for Him." He arrives before the seventh trump! He comes to dwell in us before the last day of this age. Are we, were we, prepared to be His people?


    11 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.


Luke 12:29-32 And seek not ye what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink, neither be ye of doubtful mind. For all these things do the nations of the world seek after: and your Father knoweth that ye have need of these things. But rather seek ye the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you. Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.


  • He provides the food we are to eat...for it is contained in His Word. When we seek the kingdom of God He guides us to see and hear, to understand the written word. It is the food and drink He has provided! He knows what we need and adds deeper understanding as we mature. We are not to be doubtful...we are to know He is with us, teaching. Why does He name some His "little flock?" They are the chosen few, those that were/are prepared.....


    Matthew 20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.




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Re: He "cometh at an hour" we think not.
« Reply #1 on: Fri Jan 21, 2011 - 16:29:45 »
Luke 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.


My thought's on this verse is,people won't think He is coming because they will be thinking He's already here


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•He provides the food we are to eat...for it is contained in His Word. When we seek the kingdom of God He guides us to see and hear, to understand the written word. It is the food and drink He has provided! He knows what we need and adds deeper understanding as we mature. We are not to be doubtful...we are to know He is with us, teaching. Why does He name some His "little flock?" They are the chosen few, those that were/are prepared.....



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Re: He "cometh at an hour" we think not.
« Reply #2 on: Fri Jan 21, 2011 - 19:50:27 »

Luke 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.


  • When do we "think" He shall come? We're told that He arrives at the seventh trump
Sorry folks but this is MYTH. There is simply NO VERSE ANYWHERE telling us He comes at the 7th trumpet. That is man's imagination. It is written that He will come at the LAST trump. And it is a TOTALLY DIFFERENT series than the trumpets in Revelation that are JUDGMENTS.

 
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and...He shall...but here He tells us it isn't then or, isn't just then. I see two lessons in the above. First, the seventh trumpet sounds for days and it begins to sound during the sixth trumpet, during Satan's hour of temptation. That is the "hour when ye think not." But it is the second thought this thread pertains to.... [/li]
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MORE MYTH involving the 7th trumpet that is only imagination concerning His coming. John CLEARLY shows us His coming in chapter 19, NOT CHAPTER 11.  And the 7th trumpet sounds only ONCE. Neither does it tell us it lasts for a long time. It has no need, for it is sounded in heaven, and all of heaven will know exactly what it means.   HOW TOTALLY SILLY that the 7th trumpet would sound during the 6th trumpet. These are TOTALLY separate -  the 6th is DONE AND OVER WITH by the time the 7th sounds.


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Luke 12:46-47 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.


  • As believers we are all servants of the Lord but all of His servants are not prepared. We know what is expected, we know His commandments but do we "do them?" I must wonder, will those appointed with the unbelivers realize a visit has taken place? Will we realize we are appointed as one that betrayed Him, if our not being prepared was to cause that terrible state?


    Matthew 26:22-23 And they were exceeding sorrowful, and began every one of them to say unto Him, Lord, is it I? And He answered and said, He that dippeth his hand with Me in the dish, the same shall betray Me.


    He comes to us "in a day when he looketh not for Him." He arrives before the seventh trump! He comes to dwell in us before the last day of this age. Are we, were we, prepared to be His people?


    11 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.


Luke 12:29-32 And seek not ye what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink, neither be ye of doubtful mind. For all these things do the nations of the world seek after: and your Father knoweth that ye have need of these things. But rather seek ye the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you. Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.


  • He provides the food we are to eat...for it is contained in His Word. When we seek the kingdom of God He guides us to see and hear, to understand the written word. It is the food and drink He has provided! He knows what we need and adds deeper understanding as we mature. We are not to be doubtful...we are to know He is with us, teaching. Why does He name some His "little flock?" They are the chosen few, those that were/are prepared.....


    Matthew 20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.

All good verses. All true verses.

Coop
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Re: He "cometh at an hour" we think not.
« Reply #3 on: Fri Jan 21, 2011 - 20:09:39 »
Luke 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.


My thought's on this verse is,people won't think He is coming because they will be thinking He's already here


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•He provides the food we are to eat...for it is contained in His Word. When we seek the kingdom of God He guides us to see and hear, to understand the written word. It is the food and drink He has provided! He knows what we need and adds deeper understanding as we mature. We are not to be doubtful...we are to know He is with us, teaching. Why does He name some His "little flock?" They are the chosen few, those that were/are prepared.....



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« Reply #4 on: Fri Jan 21, 2011 - 20:19:36 »
Luke 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.


My thought's on this verse is,people won't think He is coming because they will be thinking He's already here


Quote
•He provides the food we are to eat...for it is contained in His Word. When we seek the kingdom of God He guides us to see and hear, to understand the written word. It is the food and drink He has provided! He knows what we need and adds deeper understanding as we mature. We are not to be doubtful...we are to know He is with us, teaching. Why does He name some His "little flock?" They are the chosen few, those that were/are prepared.....



Most christians never get off the milk

   Absolutely NO ONE would be looking for, or expecting the Lord to return if they thought he was already here, and has already began his 1000 year reign.

  This is also why we witness those who are eating and drinking, marrying and being given in Marriage.   This is simply nothing but a false marriage supper to the wrong bridegroom.

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Re: He "cometh at an hour" we think not.
« Reply #5 on: Fri Jan 21, 2011 - 21:33:13 »
Luke 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.


My thought's on this verse is,people won't think He is coming because they will be thinking He's already here


Quote
•He provides the food we are to eat...for it is contained in His Word. When we seek the kingdom of God He guides us to see and hear, to understand the written word. It is the food and drink He has provided! He knows what we need and adds deeper understanding as we mature. We are not to be doubtful...we are to know He is with us, teaching. Why does He name some His "little flock?" They are the chosen few, those that were/are prepared.....



Most christians never get off the milk

   Absolutely NO ONE would be looking for, or expecting the Lord to return if they thought he was already here, and has already began his 1000 year reign.

  This is also why we witness those who are eating and drinking, marrying and being given in Marriage.   This is simply nothing but a false marriage supper to the wrong bridegroom.

This is pure imagination: the saints know His word: they KNOW the marriage will be  in heaven, as will be the marriage supper. And the church will be removed pretrib to BE IN HEAVEN for the wedding and supper.

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Re: He "cometh at an hour" we think not.
« Reply #6 on: Sat Jan 22, 2011 - 07:11:36 »
Luke 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.


My thought's on this verse is,people won't think He is coming because they will be thinking He's already here


Quote
•He provides the food we are to eat...for it is contained in His Word. When we seek the kingdom of God He guides us to see and hear, to understand the written word. It is the food and drink He has provided! He knows what we need and adds deeper understanding as we mature. We are not to be doubtful...we are to know He is with us, teaching. Why does He name some His "little flock?" They are the chosen few, those that were/are prepared.....



Most christians never get off the milk



Hi n2thelight::tippinghat::

There are two ways to understand the verse and...I believe both are correct.

As you stated, the fake Christ will be here with folks lining up to be raptured away or, to put it in your words "they will be thinking He is already here." 

The second way is to know that He is here NOW.

  • 11 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.


If we are of the first resurrection [Rev.20:6] then He indwells us before our physical deaths.  In the words of Paul.....

 
  • 2 Corinthians 3:18  But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.


If we are His elect, His man child, then....He walks in us NOW.  He is here NOW.   ::amen!::


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« Reply #7 on: Sat Jan 22, 2011 - 07:31:29 »

Luke 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.


  • When do we "think" He shall come? We're told that He arrives at the seventh trump
Sorry folks but this is MYTH. There is simply NO VERSE ANYWHERE telling us He comes at the 7th trumpet. That is man's imagination. It is written that He will come at the LAST trump. And it is a TOTALLY DIFFERENT series than the trumpets in Revelation that are JUDGMENTS.



There are only seven trumpets Coop.  The "last" one wouldn't be the sixth but would be....the seventh trumpet.

Editing in....I just finished a reply to JoshLeet and now see the last and seventh trumpet in a different light but not as you are seeing them. 




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and...He shall...but here He tells us it isn't then or, isn't just then. I see two lessons in the above. First, the seventh trumpet sounds for days and it begins to sound during the sixth trumpet, during Satan's hour of temptation. That is the "hour when ye think not." But it is the second thought this thread pertains to.... [/li]
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MORE MYTH involving the 7th trumpet that is only imagination concerning His coming. John CLEARLY shows us His coming in chapter 19, NOT CHAPTER 11.  And the 7th trumpet sounds only ONCE. Neither does it tell us it lasts for a long time. It has no need, for it is sounded in heaven, and all of heaven will know exactly what it means.   HOW TOTALLY SILLY that the 7th trumpet would sound during the 6th trumpet. These are TOTALLY separate -  the 6th is DONE AND OVER WITH by the time the 7th sounds.




It does only sound once but it last for days....



  • Revelation 10:7  But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as He hath declared to His servants the prophets.


We know that Satan is darkness, he is the night.  Jesus tells us......


  • 2 Peter 3:10  But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.




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Luke 12:46-47 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.


  • As believers we are all servants of the Lord but all of His servants are not prepared. We know what is expected, we know His commandments but do we "do them?" I must wonder, will those appointed with the unbelivers realize a visit has taken place? Will we realize we are appointed as one that betrayed Him, if our not being prepared was to cause that terrible state?


    Matthew 26:22-23 And they were exceeding sorrowful, and began every one of them to say unto Him, Lord, is it I? And He answered and said, He that dippeth his hand with Me in the dish, the same shall betray Me.


    He comes to us "in a day when he looketh not for Him." He arrives before the seventh trump! He comes to dwell in us before the last day of this age. Are we, were we, prepared to be His people?


    11 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.


Luke 12:29-32 And seek not ye what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink, neither be ye of doubtful mind. For all these things do the nations of the world seek after: and your Father knoweth that ye have need of these things. But rather seek ye the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you. Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.


  • He provides the food we are to eat...for it is contained in His Word. When we seek the kingdom of God He guides us to see and hear, to understand the written word. It is the food and drink He has provided! He knows what we need and adds deeper understanding as we mature. We are not to be doubtful...we are to know He is with us, teaching. Why does He name some His "little flock?" They are the chosen few, those that were/are prepared.....


    Matthew 20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.

All good verses. All true verses.

Coop
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Re: He "cometh at an hour" we think not.
« Reply #8 on: Sat Jan 22, 2011 - 08:12:06 »
Luke 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.


My thought's on this verse is,people won't think He is coming because they will be thinking He's already here


Quote
•He provides the food we are to eat...for it is contained in His Word. When we seek the kingdom of God He guides us to see and hear, to understand the written word. It is the food and drink He has provided! He knows what we need and adds deeper understanding as we mature. We are not to be doubtful...we are to know He is with us, teaching. Why does He name some His "little flock?" They are the chosen few, those that were/are prepared.....



Most christians never get off the milk

   Absolutely NO ONE would be looking for, or expecting the Lord to return if they thought he was already here, and has already began his 1000 year reign.

  This is also why we witness those who are eating and drinking, marrying and being given in Marriage.   This is simply nothing but a false marriage supper to the wrong bridegroom.


JoshLeet....you have given us a very profound thought: 


I don't at all think the millennium began in 70AD as some do however....your thought is very interesting.  If the millennium is as I believe it to be, the "day of the Lord," then I must ask...does it begin at the beginning of the seventh trumpet when He comes "as a thief in the night," in Satan's great tribulation?  Or, does it begin at the marriage?  When is the marriage?


  • 1 Corinthians 15:51-53 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.


But, does the wedding take place before that trumpet sounds?  When the bride and bridegroom become one, when He dwells in us, walks in us...is that the marriage?   Is that when the millennium began?  I don't know.  It seems to me it would begin at one time for all souls and that would be, I believe, at the seventh trumpet.  However, I am wondering....I have always seen the "last trump," as the seventh but because of your statment question if it instead is the one signifying our individual physical deaths.  In other words, we all have a last trump to face and we must "put on immortality" before that, we must be the bride with the bridegroom before our physical death, before our "last trump." 

Anyone, something to consider......(it sounds confusing  ::rolling::  even to me....sorry, I'll keep thinking about it)



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« Reply #9 on: Sat Jan 22, 2011 - 09:01:29 »

Luke 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.


  • When do we "think" He shall come? We're told that He arrives at the seventh trump



Sorry folks but this is MYTH. There is simply NO VERSE ANYWHERE telling us He comes at the 7th trumpet. That is man's imagination. It is written that He will come at the LAST trump. And it is a TOTALLY DIFFERENT series than the trumpets in Revelation that are JUDGMENTS.




There are only seven trumpets Coop.  The "last" one wouldn't be the sixth but would be....the seventh trumpet.


If you are speaking of the series written in Revelation, the 7th trumpet is the last of THAT SERIES. But to a Jew, if you mention trumpet blasts, the first thing he or she will think of is the FEAST OF TRUMPETS. At that feast there is a series of trumpet blasts - and one final one that is "the last trump."

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The Feast of Trumpets is so important in Jewish thinking that it stands alongside Yom Kippur ("Day of Atonement") to comprise what Judaism calls "the high holy days" on the Jewish religious calendar. It begins the "ten days of awe" before the Day of Atonement. End Quote http://www.christcenteredmall.com/teachings/feasts/trumpets.htm

To even imagine that Paul's "last trump" must be the last (7th) of the series in Revelation takes imagination - for there is simply no verse anywhere that would tie them together. And there is nothing written about the 7th trump in Revelation that even comes close to a rapture. It is a theory that needs to be buried. In fact, Paul tells us clearly that his "last trump" comes just before the Day of the Lord. In Revelation that would be at the 6th seal, NOT the 7th trumpet.


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and...He shall...but here He tells us it isn't then or, isn't just then. I see two lessons in the above. First, the seventh trumpet sounds for days and it begins to sound during the sixth trumpet, during Satan's hour of temptation. That is the "hour when ye think not." But it is the second thought this thread pertains to.... [/li]
[li][/li]
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MORE MYTH involving the 7th trumpet that is only imagination concerning His coming. John CLEARLY shows us His coming in chapter 19, NOT CHAPTER 11.  And the 7th trumpet sounds only ONCE. Neither does it tell us it lasts for a long time. It has no need, for it is sounded in heaven, and all of heaven will know exactly what it means.   HOW TOTALLY SILLY that the 7th trumpet would sound during the 6th trumpet. These are TOTALLY separate -  the 6th is DONE AND OVER WITH by the time the 7th sounds.





It does only sound once but it last for days....




  • Revelation 10:7  But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as He hath declared to His servants the prophets.

WOW! That angel must have some set of lungs!!  But does this really say that He blows for days? Is that the intended meaning?

NIV
But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets."

God's Word
In the days when the seventh angel is ready to blow his trumpet, the mystery of God will be completed, as he had made this Good News known to his servants, the prophets."

Amplified may be the best:
But that when the days come when the trumpet call of the seventh angel is about to be sounded, then God's mystery (His secret design, His hidden purpose), as He had announced the glad tidings to His servants the prophets, should be fulfilled (accomplished, completed).


It seems that the intended meaning is not necessarily that the trumpet blows for days on end, but there will be a "window" of days, when it is time for him to blow. This is made stronger by the phrase, begin to sound. This is an extremely important trumpet blast: it will mark the end of one millennia and the start of another - and so the exact moment Satan looses the kingdoms of the world, and they are transferred to Christ. It will mark the exact moment of the Beast's abomination. And all this will be done as He BEGINS to sound. So I don't really think this is telling us that He will be blowing for days on end.


Coop

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« Reply #10 on: Sat Jan 22, 2011 - 10:06:43 »
Whirlwind wrote
Hi n2thelight, 

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There are two ways to understand the verse and...I believe both are correct.

As you stated, the fake Christ will be here with folks lining up to be raptured away or, to put it in your words "they will be thinking He is already here."
 


This is MYTH. It is written that NO saint whose name is written in heaven will be deceived. And there is simply NO VERSE ANYWHERE telling us that the Antichrist or False Prophet will have a "rapture." So if it is not written, no one will be looking for it. But make no mistake, NO ONE born again will be deceived by Him.

Coop


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« Reply #11 on: Sat Jan 22, 2011 - 10:13:29 »
Luke 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.


My thought's on this verse is,people won't think He is coming because they will be thinking He's already here


Quote
•He provides the food we are to eat...for it is contained in His Word. When we seek the kingdom of God He guides us to see and hear, to understand the written word. It is the food and drink He has provided! He knows what we need and adds deeper understanding as we mature. We are not to be doubtful...we are to know He is with us, teaching. Why does He name some His "little flock?" They are the chosen few, those that were/are prepared.....



Most christians never get off the milk

   Absolutely NO ONE would be looking for, or expecting the Lord to return if they thought he was already here, and has already began his 1000 year reign.

  This is also why we witness those who are eating and drinking, marrying and being given in Marriage.   This is simply nothing but a false marriage supper to the wrong bridegroom.


JoshLeet....you have given us a very profound thought: 


I don't at all think the millennium began in 70AD as some do however....your thought is very interesting.  If the millennium is as I believe it to be, the "day of the Lord," then I must ask...does it begin at the beginning of the seventh trumpet when He comes "as a thief in the night," in Satan's great tribulation?  Or, does it begin at the marriage?  When is the marriage?


  • 1 Corinthians 15:51-53 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.


But, does the wedding take place before that trumpet sounds?  When the bride and bridegroom become one, when He dwells in us, walks in us...is that the marriage?   Is that when the millennium began?  I don't know.  It seems to me it would begin at one time for all souls and that would be, I believe, at the seventh trumpet.  However, I am wondering....I have always seen the "last trump," as the seventh but because of your statment question if it instead is the one signifying our individual physical deaths.  In other words, we all have a last trump to face and we must "put on immortality" before that, we must be the bride with the bridegroom before our physical death, before our "last trump." 

Anyone, something to consider......(it sounds confusing  ::rolling::  even to me....sorry, I'll keep thinking about it)


Whirlwind,

God did not write Revelation is such a helter-skelter manner. The wedding is written in chapter 19, because that is exactly where it will take place, AFTER the 70th week has finished.  The 7th trumpet sounds at the MIDPOINT of the week, about 3.5 years before the 7th vial ends the week.

Coop

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« Reply #12 on: Sat Jan 22, 2011 - 10:29:47 »
Whirlwind wrote
Hi n2thelight, 

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There are two ways to understand the verse and...I believe both are correct.

As you stated, the fake Christ will be here with folks lining up to be raptured away or, to put it in your words "they will be thinking He is already here."
 


This is MYTH. It is written that NO saint whose name is written in heaven will be deceived. And there is simply NO VERSE ANYWHERE telling us that the Antichrist or False Prophet will have a "rapture." So if it is not written, no one will be looking for it. But make no mistake, NO ONE born again will be deceived by Him.

Coop




And do we KNOW our name is written or do we BELIEVE it is written?  We must never forget the five foolish virgins.  They loved the Lord but they didn't have enough truth to wait for the true Bridegroom.  They went to buy and sell in the last days and the only ones able to do that are those that have taken the spiritual mark of the beast...they believe his lies and the by-product of deception is that the deceived don't realize they are deceived.


  • Matthew 7:22-23 Many will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name? and in Thy name have cast out devils? and in Thy name done many wonderful works?  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


All of humanity has been "born again," which when properly translated is...born from above but not all have been born of the Spirit.  Mankind, unlike the fallen angels, are born from above, born of water...the bag of waters from the birth process.  But then, we must also be born "of the Spirit." 

  • John 3:5  Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.




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Re: He "cometh at an hour" we think not.
« Reply #13 on: Sat Jan 22, 2011 - 10:43:51 »
What an altogether Excellent thread, Not Everyone was singing from the same Hymn sheet but never mind that, the point that is most important is that in order to be of the bride of Christ our Lord One needs to perfect themselves as much as possible in diligently seeking to do the Lords will in absolutely everything in there daily lives, and although it is an actual impossibility for any Man/Woman to do this without the power and guidance of the Holy Spirit this is never the Less what Christ requires for His Temples of Flesh, Perfection! as opposed to the sleepy unwatchful doctrine of O.S.A.S wherein one can be lured into believing they have acquired the ideal solution for salvation without due diligence.

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Re: He "cometh at an hour" we think not.
« Reply #14 on: Sat Jan 22, 2011 - 10:51:00 »
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There are two ways to understand the verse and...I believe both are correct.

As you stated, the fake Christ will be here with folks lining up to be raptured away or, to put it in your words "they will be thinking He is already here."
 


This is MYTH. It is written that NO saint whose name is written in heaven will be deceived. And there is simply NO VERSE ANYWHERE telling us that the Antichrist or False Prophet will have a "rapture." So if it is not written, no one will be looking for it. But make no mistake, NO ONE born again will be deceived by Him.

Coop




And do we KNOW our name is written or do we BELIEVE it is written?  We must never forget the five foolish virgins.  They loved the Lord but they didn't have enough truth to wait for the true Bridegroom.  They went to buy and sell in the last days and the only ones able to do that are those that have taken the spiritual mark of the beast...they believe his lies and the by-product of deception is that the deceived don't realize they are deceived.


  • Matthew 7:22-23 Many will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name? and in Thy name have cast out devils? and in Thy name done many wonderful works?  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


All of humanity has been "born again," which when properly translated is...born from above but not all have been born of the Spirit.  Mankind, unlike the fallen angels, are born from above, born of water...the bag of waters from the birth process.  But then, we must also be born "of the Spirit." 

  • John 3:5  Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


Lukewarm Christians KNOW they are lukewarm. The Holy Spirit continually witnesses that fact to them.  Your take on the foolish virgins is all wrong too. Your TIMING is messed up. The rapture comes BEFORE the 70th week, not during and not after. So the Beast has not yet been revealed when these foolish virgins go. And really, this is a PARABLE. One cannot push every last detail of a parable: it is meant to convey one solid teaching. In this parable, it is to BE READY. God has warned that lukewarm Christians will be spewed out. Christians are to judge themselves in these things, to "work our their own salvation with fear and trembling." But in 64 years I have NEVER heard a sermon on the fear and trembling.

Again Jesus has warned that if His kids love the world, then the love of the Father is not in them. But many church goers today LOVE the world. A good test is to ask yourself, "do I wish Jesus would come NOW?" For those that love the world, their answer would be NO! Not NOW!

Sorry, but all of humanity is descended from Adam, and ALL that is of Adam will be destroyed. Only those born again, or pulled from the lineage of Adam and recreated as children of God, will survive. Jesus called that being born again OR being born of the spirit.  

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Re: He "cometh at an hour" we think not.
« Reply #15 on: Sat Jan 22, 2011 - 11:05:56 »
What an altogether Excellent thread, Not Everyone was singing from the same Hymn sheet but never mind that, the point that is most important is that in order to be of the bride of Christ our Lord One needs to perfect themselves as much as possible in diligently seeking to do the Lords will in absolutely everything in there daily lives, and although it is an actual impossibility for any Man/Woman to do this without the power and guidance of the Holy Spirit this is never the Less what Christ requires for His Temples of Flesh, Perfection! as opposed to the sleepy unwatchful doctrine of O.S.A.S wherein one can be lured into believing they have acquired the ideal solution for salvation without due diligence.



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Re: He "cometh at an hour" we think not.
« Reply #16 on: Sat Jan 22, 2011 - 11:30:43 »

Lukewarm Christians KNOW they are lukewarm. The Holy Spirit continually witnesses that fact to them.  Your take on the foolish virgins is all wrong too. Your TIMING is messed up. The rapture comes BEFORE the 70th week, not during and not after. So the Beast has not yet been revealed when these foolish virgins go. And really, this is a PARABLE. One cannot push every last detail of a parable: it is meant to convey one solid teaching. In this parable, it is to BE READY. God has warned that lukewarm Christians will be spewed out. Christians are to judge themselves in these things, to "work our their own salvation with fear and trembling." But in 64 years I have NEVER heard a sermon on the fear and trembling.



Coop, we do "work out our own salvation" for we choose what road we take.  We have only ourselves to blame if the door is shut...in our face. 



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Again Jesus has warned that if His kids love the world, then the love of the Father is not in them. But many church goers today LOVE the world. A good test is to ask yourself, "do I wish Jesus would come NOW?" For those that love the world, their answer would be NO! Not NOW!



For this age to end for a believer is different than the age ending for the righteous, those we mourn for.  Consider the example of Sodom and Gomorrah.   
 
  • Genesis 18:23-26  And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked? Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein?
    That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right? And the LORD said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.



Eventually Abraham specified only ten righteous.  We are to follow His example Coop and keep trying to pull the righteous out of the coming destruction and there are many righteous people that are deceived.



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Sorry, but all of humanity is descended from Adam, and ALL that is of Adam will be destroyed. Only those born again, or pulled from the lineage of Adam and recreated as children of God, will survive. Jesus called that being born again OR being born of the spirit.  

Coop



No Coop....all being descended from one man is impossible.  Oriental parents don't give birth to Caucasians.  Caucasians don't give birth to Indians.  Indians don't give birth to Africans.  We are not all from one man and woman. 

Jesus didn't say that being born again and being born of the spirit were the same thing.  He said...."Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." [John 3:5]




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Re: He "cometh at an hour" we think not.
« Reply #17 on: Sat Jan 22, 2011 - 12:17:07 »

Lukewarm Christians KNOW they are lukewarm. The Holy Spirit continually witnesses that fact to them.  Your take on the foolish virgins is all wrong too. Your TIMING is messed up. The rapture comes BEFORE the 70th week, not during and not after. So the Beast has not yet been revealed when these foolish virgins go. And really, this is a PARABLE. One cannot push every last detail of a parable: it is meant to convey one solid teaching. In this parable, it is to BE READY. God has warned that lukewarm Christians will be spewed out. Christians are to judge themselves in these things, to "work our their own salvation with fear and trembling." But in 64 years I have NEVER heard a sermon on the fear and trembling.



Coop, we do "work out our own salvation" for we choose what road we take.  We have only ourselves to blame if the door is shut...in our face. 

FINALLY, something you wrote that I can agree with! Hallelujah!!



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Again Jesus has warned that if His kids love the world, then the love of the Father is not in them. But many church goers today LOVE the world. A good test is to ask yourself, "do I wish Jesus would come NOW?" For those that love the world, their answer would be NO! Not NOW!



For this age to end for a believer is different than the age ending for the righteous, those we mourn for.  Consider the example of Sodom and Gomorrah.   
 
  • Genesis 18:23-26  And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked? Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein?
    That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right? And the LORD said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.



Eventually Abraham specified only ten righteous.  We are to follow His example Coop and keep trying to pull the righteous out of the coming destruction and there are many righteous people that are deceived.


There are many lukewarm Christians. I had an interesting experience: I found someone in Russia that was willing to discuss her Orthodox beliefs. The sad thing is, EVERY point we discussed we disagreed on. I am not even sure she is born again. She believes in Jesus, and she believes in God, but I am not sure she understands the fall and her NEED for salvation. So I think MUCH of the "Christian" world apart from the US is in that same boat.

On the other hand, there area still many that have never even heard the gospel once. I spend hours every day working with college and high school age kids in China. They know absolutely nothing about God or Jesus or heaven or hell.


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Sorry, but all of humanity is descended from Adam, and ALL that is of Adam will be destroyed. Only those born again, or pulled from the lineage of Adam and recreated as children of God, will survive. Jesus called that being born again OR being born of the spirit.  

Coop



No Coop....all being descended from one man is impossible.  Oriental parents don't give birth to Caucasians.  Caucasians don't give birth to Indians.  Indians don't give birth to Africans.  We are not all from one man and woman. 

Your theories are showing. Not only did the entire human race come from the one man, Adam, but the entire human race after the flood came from the one man, NOAH.  (His three sons came from him.)  God created ONLY the first and second Adam. There are no more.

Romans 5
18  Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19  For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

1 Cor 15
21  For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22  For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.


The "one man" is - of course - Adam.  Sin passed from Adam to all humans on the planet. It is impossible to be born without the original sin, for we all have Adam's DNA.


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esus didn't say that being born again and being born of the spirit were the same thing.  He said...."Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." [John 3:5]

Do you not even understand the regeneration process?

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3  Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

This is the word of God and most certainly truth: unless a human being is pulled from the lineage of Adam and recreated as a child of God, it is simply impossible to see the Kingdom of God. This would include the Kingdom of heaven and the Millennial kingdom.

4  Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

Jesus was speaking of the realm of the spirit, but Nicodemus was thinking only of the flesh.

5  Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Jesus not explains a little more: To enter into the Kingdom of God, one  must first be born physically, THEN get born spiritually. Both are necessary to see the Kingdom of God.

6  That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Jesus is showing the difference between the two births. The birth by water is speaking of the fleshly and physical birth. The birth by the Spirit is a spiritual birth. In fact we are recreated. So what exactly IS being "born again?" It is the recreating of the Human spirit into a NEW CREATION.

2 Corinthians 5:17 (English Standard Version)
17  Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.


So in effect, the real person (the spirit) of those born again, are NO LONGER descendants of Adam. Their "old man" died. He was crucified with Christ. The NEW us is a totally new creation in the spirit. When we get our new bodies, our "transformation" will be complete.

7  Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

Again Jesus is confirming that this new birth is the ONLY doorway into heaven.

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« Reply #18 on: Sat Jan 22, 2011 - 12:40:33 »

Luke 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.


  • When do we "think" He shall come? We're told that He arrives at the seventh trump



Sorry folks but this is MYTH. There is simply NO VERSE ANYWHERE telling us He comes at the 7th trumpet. That is man's imagination. It is written that He will come at the LAST trump. And it is a TOTALLY DIFFERENT series than the trumpets in Revelation that are JUDGMENTS.




There are only seven trumpets Coop.  The "last" one wouldn't be the sixth but would be....the seventh trumpet.


If you are speaking of the series written in Revelation, the 7th trumpet is the last of THAT SERIES. But to a Jew, if you mention trumpet blasts, the first thing he or she will think of is the FEAST OF TRUMPETS. At that feast there is a series of trumpet blasts - and one final one that is "the last trump."

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The Feast of Trumpets is so important in Jewish thinking that it stands alongside Yom Kippur ("Day of Atonement") to comprise what Judaism calls "the high holy days" on the Jewish religious calendar. It begins the "ten days of awe" before the Day of Atonement. End Quote http://www.christcenteredmall.com/teachings/feasts/trumpets.htm

To even imagine that Paul's "last trump" must be the last (7th) of the series in Revelation takes imagination - for there is simply no verse anywhere that would tie them together. And there is nothing written about the 7th trump in Revelation that even comes close to a rapture. It is a theory that needs to be buried. In fact, Paul tells us clearly that his "last trump" comes just before the Day of the Lord. In Revelation that would be at the 6th seal, NOT the 7th trumpet.


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and...He shall...but here He tells us it isn't then or, isn't just then. I see two lessons in the above. First, the seventh trumpet sounds for days and it begins to sound during the sixth trumpet, during Satan's hour of temptation. That is the "hour when ye think not." But it is the second thought this thread pertains to.... [/li]
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MORE MYTH involving the 7th trumpet that is only imagination concerning His coming. John CLEARLY shows us His coming in chapter 19, NOT CHAPTER 11.  And the 7th trumpet sounds only ONCE. Neither does it tell us it lasts for a long time. It has no need, for it is sounded in heaven, and all of heaven will know exactly what it means.   HOW TOTALLY SILLY that the 7th trumpet would sound during the 6th trumpet. These are TOTALLY separate -  the 6th is DONE AND OVER WITH by the time the 7th sounds.





It does only sound once but it last for days....




  • Revelation 10:7  But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as He hath declared to His servants the prophets.

WOW! That angel must have some set of lungs!!  But does this really say that He blows for days? Is that the intended meaning?

NIV
But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets."

God's Word
In the days when the seventh angel is ready to blow his trumpet, the mystery of God will be completed, as he had made this Good News known to his servants, the prophets."

Amplified may be the best:
But that when the days come when the trumpet call of the seventh angel is about to be sounded, then God's mystery (His secret design, His hidden purpose), as He had announced the glad tidings to His servants the prophets, should be fulfilled (accomplished, completed).


It seems that the intended meaning is not necessarily that the trumpet blows for days on end, but there will be a "window" of days, when it is time for him to blow. This is made stronger by the phrase, begin to sound. This is an extremely important trumpet blast: it will mark the end of one millennia and the start of another - and so the exact moment Satan looses the kingdoms of the world, and they are transferred to Christ. It will mark the exact moment of the Beast's abomination. And all this will be done as He BEGINS to sound. So I don't really think this is telling us that He will be blowing for days on end.


Coop


Hi whirlwind
Perhaps you may find the following to be helpful. (I quoted lecoop because his comments quoted your relevant comments also). The trumpet of Ex.19 is the "shophar" which is a rams horn, (from a living creature as opposed to the other trumpets fashioned out of silver). The trumpet sounds long, and longer and longer, and waxes louder and louder. The children of Israel are not even to leave the camp until they hear the VOICE of the Shofar and only when they hear the trumpet then they are to go out to the mount. In other words there is some time for the trip and for the congregation to gather at the base of the Mount while the Shofar continues to sound. One should also take note of the lightnings, thunders, thick cloud, and earthquakes. Also note from the passage that when they arrive at the mount the Voice of the Shofar is still blasting, and waxing louder and louder. Then YHWH comes down and Moses goes up!

Exodus 19:11-19 KJV
11. And be ready against the third day: for the third day the L-rd will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai.
12. And thou shalt set bounds unto the people round about, saying, Take heed to yourselves, that ye go not up into the mount, or touch the border of it: whosoever toucheth the mount shall be surely put to death:
13. There shall not an hand touch it, but he shall surely be stoned, or shot through; whether it be beast or man, it shall not live: when the trumpet soundeth long, they shall come up to the mount.
14. And Moses went down from the mount unto the people, and sanctified the people; and they washed their clothes.
15. And he said unto the people, Be ready against the third day: come not at your wives.
16. And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled.
17. And Moses brought forth the people out of the camp to meet with G-d; and they stood at the nether part of the mount.
18. And mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke, because the L-rd descended upon it in fire: and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly.
19. And when the voice of the trumpet sounded long, and waxed louder and louder, Moses spake, and G-d answered him by a voice.
20. And the L-rd came down upon mount Sinai, on the top of the mount: and the L-rd called Moses up to the top of the mount; and Moses went up.


The congregation of Israel remains at the base of the Mount.
YHWH descends upon the Mount and calls Moses up.
The VOICE of YHWH is His Word - Yeshua.
Then is a meeting between YHWH and Moses ~ "IN THE AIR"

Yeshua expounds the same teaching by parables, that he will deal with each of us his servants individually, and that each has his own appointment, and appointed time. There is a parable in Luke which teaches this very doctrine: each servant is called before the "Nobleman" when he returns after receiving a kingdom. They all appear before him separately and he deals with each one individually and personally. We know these to be the servants of the Master because afterwards he then commands his enemies to be brought before him and slain outright. Please notice that each of his servants appear before him separately to give an account and receive his reward, and this is critical to the doctrine, because the entire reason given for the parable by Luke is because the people had thought that THE KINGDOM WOULD IMMEDIATELY APPEAR!

Luke 19:11-28 KJV
11. And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of G-d should immediately appear.
12. He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.
13. And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.
14. But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.
15. And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.
16. Then came the first, saying, L-rd, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.
17. And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.
18. And the second came, saying, L-rd, thy pound hath gained five pounds.
19. And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities.
20. And another came, saying, L-rd, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin:
21. For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow.
22. And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:
23. Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury?
24. And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds.
25. (And they said unto him, L-rd, he hath ten pounds.)
26. For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.
27. But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
28. And when he had thus spoken, he went before, ascending up to Jerusalem.


Peace-Shalom
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Re: He "cometh at an hour" we think not.
« Reply #19 on: Sat Jan 22, 2011 - 13:12:16 »
No Coop....all being descended from one man is impossible.  Oriental parents don't give birth to Caucasians.  Caucasians don't give birth to Indians.  Indians don't give birth to Africans.  We are not all from one man and woman.

Jesus didn't say that being born again and being born of the spirit were the same thing.  He said...."Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." [John 3:5]
                                                                              ::amen!::

And also Christ himself pointed out another Lineage that Ministers today do not talk about one that Corrupts all seats of decency where it can be accepted by mankind, this of course follows on from the men of renown  the Nephilim Non Human People!

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

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Re: He "cometh at an hour" we think not.
« Reply #20 on: Sat Jan 22, 2011 - 13:16:04 »
No Coop....all being descended from one man is impossible.  Oriental parents don't give birth to Caucasians.  Caucasians don't give birth to Indians.  Indians don't give birth to Africans.  We are not all from one man and woman.

Jesus didn't say that being born again and being born of the spirit were the same thing.  He said...."Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." [John 3:5]
                                                                              ::amen!::

And also Christ himself pointed out another Lineage that Ministers today do not talk about one that Corrupts all seats of decency where it can be accepted by mankind, this of course follows on from the men of renown  the Nephilim Non Human People!

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

As usual, Saul, your theories are myth. There are NO humans on earth descended from "nephilim."That too is myth.

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Re: He "cometh at an hour" we think not.
« Reply #21 on: Sat Jan 22, 2011 - 13:56:57 »
No Coop....all being descended from one man is impossible.  Oriental parents don't give birth to Caucasians.  Caucasians don't give birth to Indians.  Indians don't give birth to Africans.  We are not all from one man and woman.

Jesus didn't say that being born again and being born of the spirit were the same thing.  He said...."Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." [John 3:5]
                                                                              ::amen!::

And also Christ himself pointed out another Lineage that Ministers today do not talk about one that Corrupts all seats of decency where it can be accepted by mankind, this of course follows on from the men of renown  the Nephilim Non Human People!

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

As usual, Saul, your theories are myth. There are NO humans on earth descended from "nephilim."That too is myth.

Coop

You do Love the Word Myth!!! it seems that for you it serves as an explanation for many things that you cannot explain away, I am always suspicious of anyone who firmly tries to negate that reality of Satan's Camp Working to tear apart any established decency or righteousness present within mankind.
I wonder do you really believe that Satan does Not impart his Un-Holy Spirit amongst his willing Subjects Knowing fully that Satan Mimics all that the Everlasting Father does, do you deny that Satan and His hoards of Fallen Angel accomplices with there Demon Spirit Children infest and infect also effect and affect the lives of mankind usually the willing ones but sometimes the Cursed children of the Wicked Forefathers.

Perhaps you think that the Fallen Angels Satan and the demons are Powerless and have No effect Upon Mankind? even when willingly Called upon through Witchcraft and diverse Divining of False Gods etc.

Where do you stand? uninformed  or perhaps all together very well informed???

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Re: He "cometh at an hour" we think not.
« Reply #22 on: Sat Jan 22, 2011 - 16:00:07 »
No Coop....all being descended from one man is impossible.  Oriental parents don't give birth to Caucasians.  Caucasians don't give birth to Indians.  Indians don't give birth to Africans.  We are not all from one man and woman.

Jesus didn't say that being born again and being born of the spirit were the same thing.  He said...."Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." [John 3:5]
                                                                              ::amen!::

And also Christ himself pointed out another Lineage that Ministers today do not talk about one that Corrupts all seats of decency where it can be accepted by mankind, this of course follows on from the men of renown  the Nephilim Non Human People!

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

As usual, Saul, your theories are myth. There are NO humans on earth descended from "nephilim."That too is myth.

Coop

You do Love the Word Myth!!! it seems that for you it serves as an explanation for many things that you cannot explain away, I am always suspicious of anyone who firmly tries to negate that reality of Satan's Camp Working to tear apart any established decency or righteousness present within mankind.
I wonder do you really believe that Satan does Not impart his Un-Holy Spirit amongst his willing Subjects Knowing fully that Satan Mimics all that the Everlasting Father does, do you deny that Satan and His hoards of Fallen Angel accomplices with there Demon Spirit Children infest and infect also effect and affect the lives of mankind usually the willing ones but sometimes the Cursed children of the Wicked Forefathers.

Perhaps you think that the Fallen Angels Satan and the demons are Powerless and have No effect Upon Mankind? even when willingly Called upon through Witchcraft and diverse Divining of False Gods etc.

Where do you stand? uninformed  or perhaps all together very well informed???


Eph 2
4  But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5  Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
6  And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:


And WHERE exactly is that?

Eph 1
18.....that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
19  And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
20  Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
21  Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
22  And hath put all things under his feet


We are right there, beside Jesus, and He gave us His authority. Authority far above all principalities and powers and might and dominion and every name that is named.

So the spiritual truth is, Satan is under our feet.

Coop

P.S.   Did you ever read "the Beautiful side of Evil?"  My own Father was a "healer" in the first spiritualist church in Muskegon Michigan. Trust me, I know.

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Re: He "cometh at an hour" we think not.
« Reply #23 on: Sat Jan 22, 2011 - 18:23:45 »
No Coop....all being descended from one man is impossible.  Oriental parents don't give birth to Caucasians.  Caucasians don't give birth to Indians.  Indians don't give birth to Africans.  We are not all from one man and woman.

Jesus didn't say that being born again and being born of the spirit were the same thing.  He said...."Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." [John 3:5]
                                                                              ::amen!::

And also Christ himself pointed out another Lineage that Ministers today do not talk about one that Corrupts all seats of decency where it can be accepted by mankind, this of course follows on from the men of renown  the Nephilim Non Human People!

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

As usual, Saul, your theories are myth. There are NO humans on earth descended from "nephilim."That too is myth.

Coop

You do Love the Word Myth!!! it seems that for you it serves as an explanation for many things that you cannot explain away, I am always suspicious of anyone who firmly tries to negate that reality of Satan's Camp Working to tear apart any established decency or righteousness present within mankind.
I wonder do you really believe that Satan does Not impart his Un-Holy Spirit amongst his willing Subjects Knowing fully that Satan Mimics all that the Everlasting Father does, do you deny that Satan and His hoards of Fallen Angel accomplices with there Demon Spirit Children infest and infect also effect and affect the lives of mankind usually the willing ones but sometimes the Cursed children of the Wicked Forefathers.

Perhaps you think that the Fallen Angels Satan and the demons are Powerless and have No effect Upon Mankind? even when willingly Called upon through Witchcraft and diverse Divining of False Gods etc.

Where do you stand? uninformed  or perhaps all together very well informed???


Eph 2
4  But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5  Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
6  And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:


And WHERE exactly is that?

Eph 1
18.....that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
19  And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
20  Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
21  Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
22  And hath put all things under his feet


We are right there, beside Jesus, and He gave us His authority. Authority far above all principalities and powers and might and dominion and every name that is named.

So the spiritual truth is, Satan is under our feet.

Coop

P.S.   Did you ever read "the Beautiful side of Evil?"  My own Father was a "healer" in the first spiritualist church in Muskegon Michigan. Trust me, I know.

Correct However!

Satan is NOT under your Feet!!! Satan is Under the Feet of Any whom are in Christ Period Not one of us stands of ourselves! and whilst any of us are not Perfected we have but an earnest of the Spirit and so must Keep ourselves until our Change or death which ever comes the sooner.
 And you have Not Answered for those whom are in the World are they Not affected infected and infiltrated Deceived also Filled often with Vile Evil Spirits/Demons dependant upon their paths and indulgences?.
 

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Re: He "cometh at an hour" we think not.
« Reply #24 on: Sat Jan 22, 2011 - 19:58:13 »
No Coop....all being descended from one man is impossible.  Oriental parents don't give birth to Caucasians.  Caucasians don't give birth to Indians.  Indians don't give birth to Africans.  We are not all from one man and woman.

Jesus didn't say that being born again and being born of the spirit were the same thing.  He said...."Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." [John 3:5]
                                                                              ::amen!::

And also Christ himself pointed out another Lineage that Ministers today do not talk about one that Corrupts all seats of decency where it can be accepted by mankind, this of course follows on from the men of renown  the Nephilim Non Human People!

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

As usual, Saul, your theories are myth. There are NO humans on earth descended from "nephilim."That too is myth.

Coop

You do Love the Word Myth!!! it seems that for you it serves as an explanation for many things that you cannot explain away, I am always suspicious of anyone who firmly tries to negate that reality of Satan's Camp Working to tear apart any established decency or righteousness present within mankind.
I wonder do you really believe that Satan does Not impart his Un-Holy Spirit amongst his willing Subjects Knowing fully that Satan Mimics all that the Everlasting Father does, do you deny that Satan and His hoards of Fallen Angel accomplices with there Demon Spirit Children infest and infect also effect and affect the lives of mankind usually the willing ones but sometimes the Cursed children of the Wicked Forefathers.

Perhaps you think that the Fallen Angels Satan and the demons are Powerless and have No effect Upon Mankind? even when willingly Called upon through Witchcraft and diverse Divining of False Gods etc.

Where do you stand? uninformed  or perhaps all together very well informed???


Eph 2
4  But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5  Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
6  And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:


And WHERE exactly is that?

Eph 1
18.....that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
19  And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
20  Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
21  Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
22  And hath put all things under his feet


We are right there, beside Jesus, and He gave us His authority. Authority far above all principalities and powers and might and dominion and every name that is named.

So the spiritual truth is, Satan is under our feet.

Coop

P.S.   Did you ever read "the Beautiful side of Evil?"  My own Father was a "healer" in the first spiritualist church in Muskegon Michigan. Trust me, I know.

Correct However!

Satan is NOT under your Feet!!! Satan is Under the Feet of Any whom are in Christ Period Not one of us stands of ourselves! and whilst any of us are not Perfected we have but an earnest of the Spirit and so must Keep ourselves until our Change or death which ever comes the sooner.
 And you have Not Answered for those whom are in the World are they Not affected infected and infiltrated Deceived also Filled often with Vile Evil Spirits/Demons dependant upon their paths and indulgences?.
 

Satan owns them, lock, stock, and barrel, or if you prefer, hook, line and sinker.
The unsaved are a part of his kingdom.

Coop

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Re: He "cometh at an hour" we think not.
« Reply #25 on: Sun Jan 23, 2011 - 07:12:30 »
Luke 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.


My thought's on this verse is,people won't think He is coming because they will be thinking He's already here


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•He provides the food we are to eat...for it is contained in His Word. When we seek the kingdom of God He guides us to see and hear, to understand the written word. It is the food and drink He has provided! He knows what we need and adds deeper understanding as we mature. We are not to be doubtful...we are to know He is with us, teaching. Why does He name some His "little flock?" They are the chosen few, those that were/are prepared.....



Most christians never get off the milk

   Absolutely NO ONE would be looking for, or expecting the Lord to return if they thought he was already here, and has already began his 1000 year reign.

  This is also why we witness those who are eating and drinking, marrying and being given in Marriage.   This is simply nothing but a false marriage supper to the wrong bridegroom.


JoshLeet....you have given us a very profound thought: 


I don't at all think the millennium began in 70AD as some do however....your thought is very interesting.  If the millennium is as I believe it to be, the "day of the Lord," then I must ask...does it begin at the beginning of the seventh trumpet when He comes "as a thief in the night," in Satan's great tribulation?  Or, does it begin at the marriage?  When is the marriage?


  • 1 Corinthians 15:51-53 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.


But, does the wedding take place before that trumpet sounds?  When the bride and bridegroom become one, when He dwells in us, walks in us...is that the marriage?   Is that when the millennium began?  I don't know.  It seems to me it would begin at one time for all souls and that would be, I believe, at the seventh trumpet.  However, I am wondering....I have always seen the "last trump," as the seventh but because of your statment question if it instead is the one signifying our individual physical deaths.  In other words, we all have a last trump to face and we must "put on immortality" before that, we must be the bride with the bridegroom before our physical death, before our "last trump." 

Anyone, something to consider......(it sounds confusing  ::rolling::  even to me....sorry, I'll keep thinking about it)



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  What few today have recognized concerning the events of Revelation, and how they are related one to another,  Is Revelation is revealing to us, the actual events that will take place, that covers TWO transitions of World power.

   Beginning in the seals, we witness mankinds futile attempts to continue to rule himself that will only lead to more war and economic collapse.

   In the sixth seal we witness a series of events that the unbelieving world is accepting as the beginning of the day of the Lord.   This is a very busy time propheticlly speaking..   This is not only the climax of the Ezekiel 38 war, Being accepted as Armageddon.  But the world seeing the face of Him sitting on the throne is the promised "strong delusion"  that takes place, that drives those who love not the truth into the aceptance of the Lie.

  These people who have concluded the "great day the wrath of God has begun", will be expecting exactly that, followed by the return of the Messiah.  INstead they experience the first four trumpets with only one third of everything being destroyed, followed by satan being cast out of Heaven, and his hordes of Angelics following close behind.   This transition of power, begins in the sixth seal ,and lasts all the way through Rev. 11:1,  where we witness the outer court being given over for 42 months.

   Chapters 11, 12 and 13 all describe the same 42 month period, with each chapter concentrating on different individuals, or peope, and what they are going through during the false messiah's reign.

   In chaptere 14, we witness the beginning stages of the second transition of power.  This too  is also a very busy time propheticlly speaking.   This is not only the end of the time of Jacob's trouble, but also the end of the 70th week of daniel.  It is at this point in time, the 7th, or "last" trumpet is blown.

  It is very easy to make this conclusion.  It is AT the sounding of the 7th trumpet, we witness, "the kingdoms of the world have become the kingdoms of  His Christ."   The time of Gods wrath has come.  The sounding of the last trumpet also brings on the first harvest of the 14th chapter. It is this event that will "reveal" the true identity of this one who HAS been ruling and reigning, claiming to be the Returned messiah.  The second harvest of chapter 14 prepares the world to face the vials of the wrath of God.  This is also the time we witness the servants of the Lord recieving their rewards.  it is quite obvious the harvest has occured and the marriage supper has begun, as the wrath of God is Being poured out.

   The second transition of power begins in Chapter 14, and lasts untill we witness Christ returning on his white horse in Chapter 19:11.

   Revelation concentrates more on what occurs during these two transitions of power than anything else, with the first transition of power taking up FIVE chapters (6`-11)) followed by the description of the reign of the counterfiet christ (11, 12, and 13, three chapters), then folowed by the second transition of power being described Fron the 14th chapter to Chapter 19 (5 chapters). 

  Both of these transitions of power will occur in  a very very compressed time peiod.   

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Re: He "cometh at an hour" we think not.
« Reply #26 on: Sun Feb 06, 2011 - 11:44:00 »
An hour we think not is the hour he comes as a thief in the night, we do not know when; however, we can know when he is coming: It is likened to the parable of the 10 virgins.1Thes 5:2  For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1Thes 5:3  For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. This is for those who believe he is coming but do not believe they can know  the day.
1Thes 5:4  But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
1Thes 5:5  Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
Since Jesus says it will not overtake us, then Jesus is implying we can know!
Again, Christ implies we can know! Rev 3:3  Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

1+1=2

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Re: He "cometh at an hour" we think not.
« Reply #27 on: Sun Feb 06, 2011 - 12:24:59 »
An hour we think not is the hour he comes as a thief in the night, we do not know when; however, we can know when he is coming: It is likened to the parable of the 10 virgins.1Thes 5:2  For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1Thes 5:3  For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. This is for those who believe he is coming but do not believe they can know  the day.
1Thes 5:4  But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
1Thes 5:5  Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
Since Jesus says it will not overtake us, then Jesus is implying we can know!
Again, Christ implies we can know! Rev 3:3  Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

1+1=2

You make a good point. I have always believed that God would tell us when the rapture is getting close. We may not know the exact day or the hour of the day, but that does not say He may not tell us the week, month or year. In fact, Jesus HAS BEEN saying that time is up and the rapture is VERY CLOSE.

Coop

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Re: He "cometh at an hour" we think not.
« Reply #28 on: Sun Feb 06, 2011 - 14:55:43 »
An hour we think not is the hour he comes as a thief in the night, we do not know when; however, we can know when he is coming: It is likened to the parable of the 10 virgins.1Thes 5:2  For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1Thes 5:3  For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. This is for those who believe he is coming but do not believe they can know  the day.
1Thes 5:4  But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
1Thes 5:5  Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
Since Jesus says it will not overtake us, then Jesus is implying we can know!
Again, Christ implies we can know! Rev 3:3  Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

1+1=2

You make a good point. I have always believed that God would tell us when the rapture is getting close. We may not know the exact day or the hour of the day, but that does not say He may not tell us the week, month or year. In fact, Jesus HAS BEEN saying that time is up and the rapture is VERY CLOSE.

Coop

Based on the parable of the fig tree, when israel came into leaf we became aware we were at the very doors of the end days, and Daniel tells us that in the last days knowledge will be increased. So that tells us that there was information in the bible that was always there, but not revealed until the end times.

Dan 12:4  But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, [even] to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

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Re: He "cometh at an hour" we think not.
« Reply #29 on: Sun Feb 06, 2011 - 15:41:08 »
An hour we think not is the hour he comes as a thief in the night, we do not know when; however, we can know when he is coming: It is likened to the parable of the 10 virgins.1Thes 5:2  For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1Thes 5:3  For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. This is for those who believe he is coming but do not believe they can know  the day.
1Thes 5:4  But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
1Thes 5:5  Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
Since Jesus says it will not overtake us, then Jesus is implying we can know!
Again, Christ implies we can know! Rev 3:3  Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

1+1=2

You make a good point. I have always believed that God would tell us when the rapture is getting close. We may not know the exact day or the hour of the day, but that does not say He may not tell us the week, month or year. In fact, Jesus HAS BEEN saying that time is up and the rapture is VERY CLOSE.

Coop

Based on the parable of the fig tree, when israel came into leaf we became aware we were at the very doors of the end days, and Daniel tells us that in the last days knowledge will be increased. So that tells us that there was information in the bible that was always there, but not revealed until the end times.

Dan 12:4  But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, [even] to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.


There has never been a time in history when knowledge is increasing as fast as it is today. Jesus is due ANY DAY NOW!!!

Coop

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Re: He "cometh at an hour" we think not.
« Reply #30 on: Sun Feb 06, 2011 - 16:22:15 »
A lot sooner than most people think, for many are hooked on 2012.
Keep the faith! John

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Re: He "cometh at an hour" we think not.
« Reply #31 on: Sun Feb 06, 2011 - 16:38:20 »
A lot sooner than most people think, for many are hooked on 2012.
Keep the faith! John

: -))))))))))  2011 would not bother me at all!!! COME Lord Jesus!

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Re: He "cometh at an hour" we think not.
« Reply #32 on: Sun Feb 13, 2011 - 14:32:19 »
A lot sooner than most people think, for many are hooked on 2012.
Keep the faith! John

: -))))))))))  2011 would not bother me at all!!! COME Lord Jesus!

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Re: He "cometh at an hour" we think not.
« Reply #33 on: Wed Feb 16, 2011 - 09:33:59 »
Following is a direct link to the site of the ministry which discovered May 21 2011 as the rapture date.

http://www.familyradio.com/portal-en%28old%29.htm/indexOld.html

For literature that explains how that date was pointed out by the Bible, the links on the lower left hand side of the following page will explain.

http://www.familyradio.com/graphical/literature/frame/

 

     
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