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Offline LaSpino3

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Hosea 5-6:
« on: Fri Oct 13, 2017 - 09:26:38 »
Hosea wrote between the years 770 B.C. and 725 B.C. just before the Assyrian’s attacked Norther Israel.

Hosea 5:15, “I (the LORD Jesus) will go and return to my place (in heaven, see Acts 1:9-10) till they (the Jews) acknowledge their offense, and seek my face: in their affliction (distress during tribulation) they will seek me early.”

Hosea 6:1-2, “Come, and let us (the Jews) return unto the LORD: for he has torn, and he will heal us; he has smitten (stricken), and he will bind us up.
After (is a word of time future) two days (2000 years) will he (the LORD Jesus) revive us (make the Jews alive in spirit) in the third day (the 1000 Year reign of Christ) he (the LORD) will raise us (the nation of Israel) up (from their spiritual graves) and we shall live (to live opposed to death) in his sight.”

The big question here is, “When did the two thousand years begin? We can get back to that later.

Forty days after Jesus was raised from the grave, we read in Acts 1:9, “He was taken up; and a cloud (of angels) received him out of their (disciples) sight.”
Ver.11, The disciples that witnessed this miraculous event were told, “Why stand you gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come (return) in like manner (the same way) as you have seen him go into heaven.”

Zechariah gives us the answer as to how Jesus will return.

Zech.14:4, “And his (Jesus) feet shall stand (future) in that day upon the mount of Olives (the same place He left from), which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave ---.”  The results of his return will be to destroy his enemies and take out His vengeance on these enemies. The results can be seen in Isaiah.

Isaiah asked the question, Isa.63:1-6, “Who is this that comes from Edom (today’s Southern Jordan, settled by Esau) with dyed garments.” This person in Jesus Christ who “appears glorious in his apparel, (and) traveling in the greatness of his strength.” The question, “Why are you red in your apparel, and your garments like him (those) that tread (grapes) in the winepress?”

The LORD tells Isaiah, “I tread them (his enemies) in my anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments --.”
Your thoughts;

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Hosea 5-6:
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Re: Hosea 5-6:
« Reply #1 on: Fri Oct 13, 2017 - 12:49:53 »
LaSpino3  -  This picture of Christ appearing with blood-spattered garments I have always heard preachers interpreting as the picture of Christ, the blood-sprinkled sacrifice from Calvary, stained with His own blood on our behalf. 

It's not. 

As you have mentioned from the Isaiah 63:3 context above, the blood on Christ's garments is that from HIS ENEMIES, staining all His raiment.  Picture Christ standing in a winepress, stamping grapes and getting his garments drenched from grapes spattering their juice on His clothing.  Except it's not grapes He's stomping on.  It's His enemies, and it is THEIR blood that He is exacting vengeance upon.  "...vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord.  And again, The Lord shall judge His people." (Heb. 10:30, cp Deut. 32:35)

This vengeance was going to be paid out to Christ's enemies, which in this Isaiah 63 context was HIS OWN PEOPLE, the children of Israel.  In Isaiah 63:10, after recounting all the favors God had done for the house of Israel throughout their history, God says "But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore HE WAS TURNED TO BE THEIR ENEMY, and he FOUGHT AGAINST THEM."  It is the blood of the house of Israel that is staining Christ's garments.  This happened for the first time when the Babylonians carried Judah's citizens away captive in 3 separate dispersions over several years, and finally burned the city of Jerusalem to the ground back in 586 BC.  It happened again in AD 70, when Israel as the "vine of Sodom" with her "grapes of gall" (Deut. 32:32) was crushed again for a final time, with the level of bloodshed in all the land of Israel at record levels, particularly in Jerusalem.  They were called the "days of vengeance" (Isaiah 63:4 cp Luke 21:22), when Christ promised in Isaiah 63:6 that He would "tread down the people in mine anger, and make them drunk in my fury, and I will bring down their strength to the earth."

You are exactly correct that Zechariah 14:4 is predicting the time of this event when God took vengeance upon His enemies at His return, but you are placing the wrong date on it.  We have archaeological evidence today of earthquake rubble fields, lying on the slopes of the Mount of Olives, that prove the fulfillment of Zechariah 14:4-5 has already happened.  (Which from my studies I believe to have occurred on the day of Pentecost in AD 70.)  You might want to check out a totally NON-preterist article for this evidence of the Zechariah 14:4-5 earthquake at www.zechariahfourteenfive.wordpress.com.  Very interesting reading, and a very thorough presentation with attention to scripture related to this topic.

As for the scripture text in your post's title, the prophecy of Hosea 6:1-2 was fulfilled long ago in the time of restoration after Jerusalem had fallen to the Babylonians in 586 BC.  The Lord healed the nation after the 70 years of exile, when He had torn the people from their homeland.  He gathered and brought them back into their land in the post-exilic return, when He "raised them up", "healed" them, and "bound them up".  It amazes me that there is a general disregard of this period of Israel's history, when God gave them a "reviving" in the land of Israel (as Ezra 9:9 claimed), under their own high priest again.  Ezekiel 37's vision of the valley of dry bones come to life again is related to the very same time of reviving during the post-exilic return.  To apply this Hosea 6 text to a future expectation for the Jewish people is to ignore the record of how God already accomplished His promise of this restoration of the nation during post-exilic days. 

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Re: Hosea 5-6:
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Re: Hosea 5-6:
« Reply #2 on: Fri Oct 13, 2017 - 13:49:33 »
3 Resurrections: good response, enjoyed your thinking. We may disagree on a few points, but generally we are on the same page. One comment concerning the earthquake. I'll give my response to you in a question. "Is it possible there may be a greater earthquake to come, not from natural causes but from the Lord himself?" I would like you to bare with me on future posts, posts that I assure you will fill in the gaps, including Hosea. 

I wrote this a few months ago: What appears to be lacking today in the Christian community is what I call critical thinking. Critical thinking serves as a powerful analytical lens into God’s world, helping to clarify rather than merely having stashed away in our heads files of accumulated information gathering dust.

We all have our own life’s experiences, and have all constructed certain knowledge around those experiences, then developed a philosophy of life around these. But becoming a critical thinker changes qualitatively the way an individual see's God's world, how they process information, and how they eventually make decisions. We can learn to solve challenging verses and prophesies, analyzing them by understanding God’s clear goals, His design, and His plan of action to attain these goals.

We may then critically evaluate the logic, relevance and validity of the information, and through words communicate with others our findings.

Thinking abilities do not operate in isolation, but rather act in complex interactions, one with another, something lacking in Christianity. Thinking is a dynamic process that cannot be factored into secondary skills, repeated and practiced over and over, then reassembled in some Humpty-Dumpty-like style, yet never explicitly being described as such. 

As Christians, we should all be challenged to explore, analyze and then evaluate opinions and judgments, then you will enter God’s world of self-discovery.

How often do Christians have a certain fear of God and His word. They consider themselves weak in the word, therefore they grab onto a particular teacher’s understanding, or a denomination’s teaching and use it as one would use a security blanket. And in their psyched-out state will often simply shut out even the smallest of attempts to analyze what they know and understand.
 
Thanks Phil.