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Mark of the Beast
« on: Mon Feb 04, 2008 - 22:01:33 »
Do you think we are drawing nearer to the time when as told in Revelations, that every man, woman and child will be forced to receive the mark of the beast, so that no one can buy or sell unless they have it.

If you don't receive the mark you will be executed, but if you do receive it you will be subject to the full wrath of God poured out upon you.

Recently I spoke with a woman discussing end times and she said she had never heard of the "mark" of the beast.   Perhaps if I had said 666 she may have heard of that, but she did not act like she was familiar with the warning to not receive it.  Therefore I told her if that did happen in our lifetime to not take the mark.

I suspect that there may be a large part of our population who may be unfamiliar with not receiving the mark or the consequences they will face if they do.   I've heard for a while now that we are quickly coming to the point where we will have a one-world government, and that this is the time when the mark will come into reality.   

So what say you, do you think we are approaching the "mark of the beast" era?   

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Re: Mark of the Beast
« Reply #1 on: Tue Feb 05, 2008 - 01:03:26 »
So what if we are?

It would not be the first time individuals, societies and nations have been presented with doing things God's way, or another, easier way.

If the whole 666 thing kicked off tomorrow, what would you do, what would you do, Rosemary?  How would you handle your daily life?

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« Reply #2 on: Tue Feb 05, 2008 - 03:45:12 »
I am not sure if Christians will be around for that choice.  I will have to check my notes, but I think we are "caught up" just before that sort of thing gets imposed...maybe just after...I will have to check.

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Re: Mark of the Beast
« Reply #3 on: Tue Feb 05, 2008 - 08:16:59 »
 

So what say you, do you think we are approaching the "mark of the beast" era?   


I certainly hope so. That will mean that I will see Jesus coming in the clouds and will rise to met Him in the air, and then we will go home!

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Re: Mark of the Beast
« Reply #4 on: Tue Feb 05, 2008 - 11:19:47 »
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It would not be the first time individuals, societies and nations have been presented with doing things God's way, or another, easier way.


I'm not sure I understand you here, but you asked what would I do?   Well, if Christians are still around when the "666 thing" does come around I will not accept the mark.   I will gladly give my life for my belief in God. 

Perhaps if this world decided to change and do things God's way we would all be better off for it, and the world would be a better place to live.

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Re: Mark of the Beast
« Reply #5 on: Tue Feb 05, 2008 - 11:55:13 »
I am not sure if Christians will be around for that choice.  I will have to check my notes, but I think we are "caught up" just before that sort of thing gets imposed...maybe just after...I will have to check.

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I don't think you have the same notes I do, K-Pappy.

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Re: Mark of the Beast
« Reply #6 on: Wed Feb 06, 2008 - 06:05:36 »
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It would not be the first time individuals, societies and nations have been presented with doing things God's way, or another, easier way.


I'm not sure I understand you here, but you asked what would I do?   Well, if Christians are still around when the "666 thing" does come around I will not accept the mark.   I will gladly give my life for my belief in God. 

Perhaps if this world decided to change and do things God's way we would all be better off for it, and the world would be a better place to live.



Rosemary, I made up my mind a long time ago and I will die for Christ before I will take the mark of the beast or consciously go against His word and Will for us.

And like what goes on in the world today, Christians that I personally know abuse and cheat the government programs. They don't seem to think anything of it but that is sin pure and simple.   ::frown::

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Re: Mark of the Beast
« Reply #7 on: Wed Feb 06, 2008 - 07:50:22 »
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Rosemary, I made up my mind a long time ago and I will die for Christ before I will take the mark of the beast or consciously go against His word and Will for us.

Amen to that.   

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Re: Mark of the Beast
« Reply #8 on: Wed Feb 06, 2008 - 09:43:50 »
Why would we take the verse literally which tells of the mark of the beast that is used to buy and sell things while taking figuratively every other verse in that whole passage?

In case you're still wondering, the passage in question is Rev. 13:11-18.

Personally, I believe this passage was referring to the Roman Empire's persecution of Christians during that time (Domitian's reign in the last decades of the 1st Century), and that it has absolutely nothing to do with modern economic conveniences.

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« Reply #9 on: Wed Feb 06, 2008 - 11:56:42 »
Why would we take the verse literally which tells of the mark of the beast that is used to buy and sell things while taking figuratively every other verse in that whole passage?

In case you're still wondering, the passage in question is Rev. 13:11-18.

Personally, I believe this passage was referring to the Roman Empire's persecution of Christians during that time (Domitian's reign in the last decades of the 1st Century), and that it has absolutely nothing to do with modern economic conveniences.

I have been taught something totally different and I feel Revelation says something different than this.

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« Reply #10 on: Wed Feb 06, 2008 - 12:00:02 »
That position is commonly called Amillenialism. You are probably more familiar with Premillennialism.

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Re: Mark of the Beast
« Reply #11 on: Wed Feb 06, 2008 - 13:06:55 »
Why would we take the verse literally which tells of the mark of the beast that is used to buy and sell things while taking figuratively every other verse in that whole passage?

In case you're still wondering, the passage in question is Rev. 13:11-18.

Personally, I believe this passage was referring to the Roman Empire's persecution of Christians during that time (Domitian's reign in the last decades of the 1st Century), and that it has absolutely nothing to do with modern economic conveniences.

So if (when) the soon to be one-world government begins mandating chip implants for "identification purposes", making it necessary for travel, commerce, and "combatting terror", will you get in line, hold out your hand and say "please" and "thank you"?

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« Reply #13 on: Sat Dec 17, 2011 - 13:31:38 »
Rosemary here is a link you need to read as I feel the mark of the beast is closer than we might expect and in my studies of scripture I feel we will be here until the 7th trumpet call of Rev as when you look up the word tribulation in a concordance and read all the scriptures I do not see us escaping anything, but enduring all things until Christ comes in the air for his bride. These are not things for to scare us, but to prepare us how to endure.

http://www.salem-news.com/articles/december032011/bush-drugs.php

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« Reply #14 on: Sat Dec 17, 2011 - 17:01:30 »
I was under the impression that theological discussion was prohibited in the "General Discussion Forum". Maybe I was mistaken.

Rosemary - The "Mark of the Beast will be a substitute for money. Never again will people have to carry around a wallet or purse, which can be stolen. We have begun the process with the use of charge cards.

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Re: Mark of the Beast
« Reply #15 on: Sat Dec 17, 2011 - 20:36:19 »
The scriptures reveal that an angel shouts not to take the mark of the beast or worship his image.

I don't believe this will be done without believers fully understanding.

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« Reply #16 on: Sun Dec 18, 2011 - 05:14:22 »
The scriptures reveal that an angel shouts not to take the mark of the beast or worship his image.

I don't believe this will be done without believers fully understanding.

In Revelation 14 there are three warnings to the people on earth.

And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
[7] Saying with a loud voice,

 Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.KEEP THE SABBATH .GOD CREATED IN 6 DAYS AND SOON THE JUDGMENTDAY WILL COME-YEAR 2028-GET READY FOR THE JUDGMENT.


[8] And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.USA WILL BE BURNING AS SODOM AND GOMORRAH.LEAVE USA BEFORE IT HAPPENS OR YOU WILL A PART OF IT.


[9] And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

LIKE neBUSHadnezzar ENDTIME ANTICHRIST WILL ALSO SET UP AN IMAGE  . LIKE DANIEL AND HIS FRIEND PEOPLE HAVE TO CHOSE WHO TO WORSHIP.
[10] The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb

In Revelation 18 Babylon is revealed- THE USA.

And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
[2] And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, BABAYLON THE GREAT IS FALLEN, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
[3] For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
[4] And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, COME OUT OF HER, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
[5] For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
[6] Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
[7] How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.



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« Reply #17 on: Sun Dec 18, 2011 - 11:55:00 »
Does anyone really suppose that the beast and anti-christ power will be admitting that they are enforcing the mark of the beast upon all?  They will of course vehemently deny doing so, and accuse all that suggest such of being radical conspiracy theorists, or religious zealots, or any other number of false accusations to deceive if possible, even the very elect.  They will have the vast majority of the numberless masses of humanity on their side also. 

All those who will give the true warnings of scripture to this world, pertaining to these things, will be ridiculed and laughed at by the vast majority of this world.  Nothing but the grace of God Himself will get His elect through this fast approaching time.  I certainly hope that our pre-trib rapture brothers and sisters will not give up hope if they turn out to be wrong.  On the other hand, I certainly have no problem with being removed from this world by God before these things occur, though I think it highly unlikely.  Nevertheless, let each of us pray earnestly for the faith not only to make it through, but to continue to be God's faithful witnesses to the end. 

21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death. 22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. Matt 10:21-22 (KJV)

9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. 10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. 11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Matt 24:9-14 (KJV)

10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations. 11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost. 12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death. 13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. Mark 13:10-13 (KJV)


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« Reply #18 on: Sun Dec 18, 2011 - 12:05:33 »
Does anyone really suppose that the beast and anti-christ power will be admitting that they are enforcing the mark of the beast upon all?  They will of course vehemently deny doing so, and accuse all that suggest such of being radical conspiracy theorists, or religious zealots, or any other number of false accusations to deceive if possible, even the very elect.  They will have the vast majority of the numberless masses of humanity on their side also. 

All those who will give the true warnings of scripture to this world, pertaining to these things, will be ridiculed and laughed at by the vast majority of this world.  Nothing but the grace of God Himself will get His elect through this fast approaching time.  I certainly hope that our pre-trib rapture brothers and sisters will not give up hope if they turn out to be wrong.  On the other hand, I certainly have no problem with being removed from this world by God before these things occur, though I think it highly unlikely.  Nevertheless, let each of us pray earnestly for the faith not only to make it through, but to continue to be God's faithful witnesses to the end. 

21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death. 22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. Matt 10:21-22 (KJV)

9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. 10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. 11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Matt 24:9-14 (KJV)

10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations. 11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost. 12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death. 13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. Mark 13:10-13 (KJV)


I'm not laughing---because I get laughed at often myself. But all the passages you've posted are to happen at an upcoming time (as I understand it).

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« Reply #19 on: Mon Dec 19, 2011 - 11:21:49 »
Does anyone really suppose that the beast and anti-christ power will be admitting that they are enforcing the mark of the beast upon all?  They will of course vehemently deny doing so, and accuse all that suggest such of being radical conspiracy theorists, or religious zealots, or any other number of false accusations to deceive if possible, even the very elect.  They will have the vast majority of the numberless masses of humanity on their side also. 

All those who will give the true warnings of scripture to this world, pertaining to these things, will be ridiculed and laughed at by the vast majority of this world.  Nothing but the grace of God Himself will get His elect through this fast approaching time.  I certainly hope that our pre-trib rapture brothers and sisters will not give up hope if they turn out to be wrong.  On the other hand, I certainly have no problem with being removed from this world by God before these things occur, though I think it highly unlikely.  Nevertheless, let each of us pray earnestly for the faith not only to make it through, but to continue to be God's faithful witnesses to the end. 

21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death. 22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. Matt 10:21-22 (KJV)

9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. 10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. 11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Matt 24:9-14 (KJV)

10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations. 11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost. 12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death. 13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. Mark 13:10-13 (KJV)



manna to you Amo as many do not understand what Jesus meant by those who shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. This means all those who are in Christ that do not take the mark of the beast and endure until the 7th trumpet call as we will be here for all of what must come in Revelation, but not to fear, but to be prepared for what has to come before the return of Christ for is bride. Antichrist is not from the USA as it has to come from Rome as history always repeats itself and the USA is just another extension of Romes mystery Babylon as America was founded on that of a Babylonian government. I too would like to be raptured out of here too per the pretrib teachings, but if you compare scripture with scripture that is not going to happen. I use to believe in the pretrib teachings until I started comparing scripture with scripture and found no Biblical support for those teachings.
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« Reply #20 on: Wed Dec 21, 2011 - 19:24:59 »
 Antichrist is not from the USA as it has to come from Rome as history always repeats itself and the USA is just another extension of Romes mystery Babylon as America was founded on that of a Babylonian government

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« Reply #21 on: Thu Dec 22, 2011 - 10:16:43 »
The scriptures reveal that an angel shouts not to take the mark of the beast or worship his image.

I don't believe this will be done without believers fully understanding.

the mark (stamped engraved image) is already been given out by the time of the angel (rev14:9) also THIS angel is in heaven same as angel before him (:6) and not on earth to be heard.
The whole point of the image on your hand is to seal your fate and not to keep track of you.... They only use buying and selling to get you to take a sealed fate with your god in lake if fire.

Remember Satan is incharge and he wants souls in LoF

this is no different than when someone dies, it seals their fate

 

     
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