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Matthew 24:26 The secret chambers = Secret rapture warning
« on: Tue Aug 07, 2012 - 22:41:16 »
I've been reading a book called "the mystery of Iniquity" by Michael Rood, and he revealed something in his book about the lie of the pre-tribulation rapture that I felt was very important to share with you, as I think this verse, when properly understood, is a warning to people about false prophets and teachers who would tell people that the rapture is a secret.

Here's the verse:

Matt: 24:26:
Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, [he is] in the secret chambers; believe [it] not.

The part we need to focus on is part B: "behold, [he is] in the secret chambers; believe [it] not."

"The secret chambers" is translated as tameion. But the writer makes a case that tameion, in this case, is a noun being used as an adjective describing the environment of Y'shua's coming, but the significance is not on the location, but on the condition. It's important to understand this, because Y'shua is NOT telling us to beware of false prophets who say He(Y'shua) is going to be hiding someplace in a secret chamber, or a storehouse when he returns. That would be absurd, especially when we know that ALL EYES SHALL SEE HIM. No, he's warning us about false prophets who claim his coming is SECRET.

As we see in Matthew 6:5-6, a closet<tameion>, is also referring to praying in secret and not in front of others. It's not talking about actually going into a closet to pray, just that we should deliberately pray away form people who might watch. In fact the whole context of Matthew 6:5-6 is talking about praying in secret.

In Luke 12:2-3, we see evidence of this again "That which ya have spoken in the ear in closets<tameion> shall be proclaimed upon the housetops." Again, this isn't talking about physical closets. This is things said in secret.

There is no sercet rapture of the church. All eyes will see him. If someone tries to preach this lie to you, do as Y'shua said and Believe it not!

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Matthew 24:26 The secret chambers = Secret rapture warning
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Re: Matthew 24:26 The secret chambers = Secret rapture warning
« Reply #1 on: Wed Aug 08, 2012 - 01:26:22 »
I've been reading a book called "the mystery of Iniquity" by Michael Rood, and he revealed something in his book about the lie of the pre-tribulation rapture that I felt was very important to share with you, as I think this verse, when properly understood, is a warning to people about false prophets and teachers who would tell people that the rapture is a secret.

Here's the verse:

Matt: 24:26:
Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, [he is] in the secret chambers; believe [it] not.

The part we need to focus on is part B: "behold, [he is] in the secret chambers; believe [it] not."

"The secret chambers" is translated as tameion. But the writer makes a case that tameion, in this case, is a noun being used as an adjective describing the environment of Y'shua's coming, but the significance is not on the location, but on the condition. It's important to understand this, because Y'shua is NOT telling us to beware of false prophets who say He(Y'shua) is going to be hiding someplace in a secret chamber, or a storehouse when he returns. That would be absurd, especially when we know that ALL EYES SHALL SEE HIM. No, he's warning us about false prophets who claim his coming is SECRET.

As we see in Matthew 6:5-6, a closet<tameion>, is also referring to praying in secret and not in front of others. It's not talking about actually going into a closet to pray, just that we should deliberately pray away form people who might watch. In fact the whole context of Matthew 6:5-6 is talking about praying in secret.

In Luke 12:2-3, we see evidence of this again "That which ya have spoken in the ear in closets<tameion> shall be proclaimed upon the housetops." Again, this isn't talking about physical closets. This is things said in secret.

There is no sercet rapture of the church. All eyes will see him. If someone tries to preach this lie to you, do as Y'shua said and Believe it not!

What is beign spoken of is here is Christ there is Christ etc. Christ meaning anointing.
Thus when men say lo here is the annointing there is the annointing the desert etc  do not go after them. Today we have many fasle apostlesd and prophest talkign about the annointing and with enticing words seek men to go after them.
But the eternal restign place and thus the anointing of the Spirit of truth .Is the Word of truth the bible.
if then the Word of God dweleth in you and abides  then so does the anointing.if you go after  signs and wonders thinkign you wil find the anointing  you will efectively lose it.

How and why then has this got to do with the rapture?
or indeedd the mystery of iniquity. Save its a mystery why men believe liars.or the father of them and not God.
"Sin must come but woe unto them by whom it comes."
So by one error Mr rood makes another.
The doctrin of what is called the pretribulation of the BRIDE of Christ is set out through out all the scriptures in divers ways and times.
What a mystery it is then that in warning aginst false prophest and teachers you are but propagating thier lies.
The confusion lies in the fact that it is generaly percived that the

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« Reply #1 on: Wed Aug 08, 2012 - 01:26:22 »

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Re: Matthew 24:26 The secret chambers = Secret rapture warning
« Reply #2 on: Wed Aug 08, 2012 - 04:16:43 »
I disagree with the OP. You just cannot load up one phrase with such meaning as you have done.

Matthew 24:26
Wherefore3767 if1437 they shall say2036 unto you,5213 Behold,2400 he is2076 in1722 the3588 desert;2048 go not forth:1831, 3361 behold,2400 he is in1722 the3588 secret chambers;5009 believe4100 it not.3361

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ταμεῖον
tameion
tam-i'-on
Neuter contraction of a presumed derivative of ταμίας tamias (a dispenser or distributor; akin to τέμνω temnō, to cut); a dispensary or magazine, that is, a chamber on the ground floor or interior of an Oriental house (generally used for storage or privacy, a spot for retirement): - secret chamber, closet, storehouse.


Matthew 24:26 NKJV
26 “Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it.

There is no allusion to a secret rapture. Nothing is secret when it comes to Jesus calling for His Bride. The world will sit up and take horrific notice.


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Re: Matthew 24:26 The secret chambers = Secret rapture warning
« Reply #3 on: Thu Aug 09, 2012 - 02:12:10 »
I disagree with the OP. You just cannot load up one phrase with such meaning as you have done.

Matthew 24:26
Wherefore3767 if1437 they shall say2036 unto you,5213 Behold,2400 he is2076 in1722 the3588 desert;2048 go not forth:1831, 3361 behold,2400 he is in1722 the3588 secret chambers;5009 believe4100 it not.3361

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ταμεῖον
tameion
tam-i'-on
Neuter contraction of a presumed derivative of ταμίας tamias (a dispenser or distributor; akin to τέμνω temnō, to cut); a dispensary or magazine, that is, a chamber on the ground floor or interior of an Oriental house (generally used for storage or privacy, a spot for retirement): - secret chamber, closet, storehouse.


Matthew 24:26 NKJV
26 “Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it.

There is no allusion to a secret rapture. Nothing is secret when it comes to Jesus calling for His Bride. The world will sit up and take horrific notice.

While I agree with you as to the OP.
You arew wrong about the bride.
This stems from the misconcpetion and bad teaching that states the

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Re: Matthew 24:26 The secret chambers = Secret rapture warning
« Reply #4 on: Thu Aug 09, 2012 - 02:37:00 »
I disagree with the OP. You just cannot load up one phrase with such meaning as you have done.

Matthew 24:26
Wherefore3767 if1437 they shall say2036 unto you,5213 Behold,2400 he is2076 in1722 the3588 desert;2048 go not forth:1831, 3361 behold,2400 he is in1722 the3588 secret chambers;5009 believe4100 it not.3361

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ταμεῖον
tameion
tam-i'-on
Neuter contraction of a presumed derivative of ταμίας tamias (a dispenser or distributor; akin to τέμνω temnō, to cut); a dispensary or magazine, that is, a chamber on the ground floor or interior of an Oriental house (generally used for storage or privacy, a spot for retirement): - secret chamber, closet, storehouse.


Matthew 24:26 NKJV
26 “Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it.

There is no allusion to a secret rapture. Nothing is secret when it comes to Jesus calling for His Bride. The world will sit up and take horrific notice.

While I agree with you as to the OP.
You arew wrong about the bride.
This stems from the misconcpetion and bad teaching that states the

Sorry you didn't finish your thought, but let me state this: I am not wrong about the spotless Bride. Tribulation involves judgment, and the Bride will not suffer through any judgment that is to be poured out upon the wicked inhabitants of the world.

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Re: Matthew 24:26 The secret chambers = Secret rapture warning
« Reply #5 on: Thu Aug 09, 2012 - 04:56:27 »
The "secret chamber" is Eglon's "summer chamber". Eglon is an Old Testament shadow of the Antichrist. That's why Jesus said what he said in that verse, he is pointing you to this passage.

Jdg 3:17  And he brought the present unto Eglon king of Moab: and Eglon was a very fat man.
Jdg 3:18  And when he had made an end to offer the present, he sent away the people that bare the present.
Jdg 3:19  But he himself turned again from the quarries that were by Gilgal, and said, I have a secret errand unto thee, O king: who said, Keep silence. And all that stood by him went out from him.
Jdg 3:20  And Ehud came unto him; and he was sitting in a summer parlour, which he had for himself alone. And Ehud said, I have a message from God unto thee. And he arose out of his seat.
Jdg 3:21  And Ehud put forth his left hand, and took the dagger from his right thigh, and thrust it into his belly:
Jdg 3:22  And the haft also went in after the blade; and the fat closed upon the blade, so that he could not draw the dagger out of his belly; and the dirt came out.
Jdg 3:23  Then Ehud went forth through the porch, and shut the doors of the parlour upon him, and locked them.
Jdg 3:24  When he was gone out, his servants came; and when they saw that, behold, the doors of the parlour were locked, they said, Surely he covereth his feet in his summer chamber.

Just a bit of advice, if you want to understand New Testament passages like this one in Matthew then look in the Old Testament. Michael Rood can't help you, he will only lead you astray. He falls into this catagory... and make sure you're not the one with "itching ears"

2Ti 4:3  For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

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Re: Matthew 24:26 The secret chambers = Secret rapture warning
« Reply #6 on: Thu Aug 09, 2012 - 05:18:43 »
I disagree with the OP. You just cannot load up one phrase with such meaning as you have done.

Matthew 24:26
Wherefore3767 if1437 they shall say2036 unto you,5213 Behold,2400 he is2076 in1722 the3588 desert;2048 go not forth:1831, 3361 behold,2400 he is in1722 the3588 secret chambers;5009 believe4100 it not.3361

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ταμεῖον
tameion
tam-i'-on
Neuter contraction of a presumed derivative of ταμίας tamias (a dispenser or distributor; akin to τέμνω temnō, to cut); a dispensary or magazine, that is, a chamber on the ground floor or interior of an Oriental house (generally used for storage or privacy, a spot for retirement): - secret chamber, closet, storehouse.


Matthew 24:26 NKJV
26 “Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it.

There is no allusion to a secret rapture. Nothing is secret when it comes to Jesus calling for His Bride. The world will sit up and take horrific notice.

While I agree with you as to the OP.
You arew wrong about the bride.
This stems from the misconcpetion and bad teaching that states the

Sorry you didn't finish your thought, but let me state this: I am not wrong about the spotless Bride. Tribulation involves judgment, and the Bride will not suffer through any judgment that is to be poured out upon the wicked inhabitants of the world.

Hello, Sorry abou that  all went funny.
I agre with you that the bride of Chrust will be presented before the Lord spotless and with out spot or wrinkle. etc.

What I was going to say was that the general teachign in the church that the whole church will make up the bride is not upheld in scripture.
It is this wrogn teaching  by people who have jumped to conclusions much like the 5 foolish virgins .That ahs confused the understandign about the rapture.
For if you make it the whole church scripture clearly shows that people will get saved durign the great tribulation  as wella s the Jews.
So how can the church be raptured before the great tribulation breaks out right?
The trouble with logic is that if it strats with a wrogn premise it will logicly lead to a wrogn conclusion.

It has to be said that EVERY true biblical BORNagain child of God is CALLED to that high calling.
The will and desire of God is that all should coem to the knowldge fo the truth.
But  let us look at the divers ways God seeks to show us the truth .
Jesus is caled the last Adam. He is then likened unto the first.But seeign that ther eis no other 'adam' after him he is the last adam.
But a she is likened unto the first  we can with justfication look at the first  for it says in another place that  the first was the shadow of that which was to come.
Now Adam was given a bride.
She was not created from the dust of the earth.
But was created from the rib of his body.She therefore came out of the BODY of Adam. Durign  a deep sleep(a type of death)
Thgis is the first mention of the bride of Christ.
Adam sougth a bride for his son he then sent his servant noit into thew world  but  to "go among his bretheren"
out of thr 12 tribes of isreal  11 had an inheritence.
levi had no inheritence for God was ther ein heritence.
Out of the  12 apostles there was Peter james ansd JHohn who saw heard and did things the other s did not.
and even out of these three there was one Johm who was not devived by Judas.
and he alone said WHO is it not "is it I"he knerw it was not him.

 It cannot be said that the church that in ist own eyes was rich increassed with goodsd and in need of nothign was or is recognisable as a bride.
For teh Lords said ye are poor wretched and in need of eye salve.
yet along side this church was another who said I am poor But the Lord said "ye are rich "
The Spirit of the \Lortd says he is outside the church knocking on the door.
That is a call to the whole church to repent.
But the promise is only to those who have ears to hear and open the door.
The Bride of Christ  is not carnal  no full of her own ways.
When the lord will say "coem up hither" She will not only hear Him but also will respond  and risew to meet bhim in the air.
She bign full of the holy ghost and having been the by Him  the restrainer of the spirit of antichrist.Once she has  gone to be where He is and to the marriage supper .Then the antichrist will be given his ropeas it nwere.
Those christians  who were not" ready" will then be tried in the fires of persecution unto death.
The bride is the first fruits.
Those saved after  is the main harvest.
Those who are saved when satan  is loosed for a season again are the gleanings.
Then the whole haRVEST is taken in .
Then cometh the end of this earth and heaven and a new will will come.
and all that offendes willbe removed forever.
 

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Re: Matthew 24:26 The secret chambers = Secret rapture warning
« Reply #7 on: Thu Aug 09, 2012 - 05:20:17 »
We need to eb carefull about our terms.
ALL who live goldy in Christ jesus WILL sufefr persecution.
In this world you will have tribulation.
The great tribulation  is of another order .
That if God had not shortened them none woudl be saved.

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« Reply #8 on: Sat Aug 18, 2012 - 11:10:00 »
Archangel said

Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, [he is] in the secret chambers; believe [it] not.


KNOWLEDGE BOMB replies:

Correct! It is.....

If you look at 2 thess 3:3 it is those who believe Jesus comes BEFORE the man of sin that are decieved.... The pre trib rapture.....

It is also because the master is delayed (in their thinking) that the 10 virgins become 5/5
when pre trib Jesus doesn't show they lose hope cause they were decieved by their teachers into thinking Jesus would come sooner than later - then tribulation Jesus shows and cathces them not ready.... Same as Luke good and faithful servant


Since most the Christian world believes the pre trib rapture we see how this will go


That's why when jesus doesn't show False Christ and prophets come out of the wood work...

Same reason in 2 Peter 3:3-4

knowing this 1ST
that in the last days

scoffers will come saying

Where is the promise of His coming.... The promise ofcourse is the pre trib rapture and when Jesus doesn't show the scoffers say: where's the promised coming....

Since when the tribulation starts this end a "pre trib" chance the scoffers Know of a set promise of time for his coming....
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Re: Matthew 24:26 The secret chambers = Secret rapture warning
« Reply #9 on: Sat Aug 18, 2012 - 11:24:16 »
When Jesus does not show for the pre trib rapture (agreement of dan9:27 starts the tribulation)
tribulation starts and Jesus is everywhere....

Hey buddy.... Spisss over here, Jesus came back and is over at this place....


Ofcourse the Christians who thought they'd be gone are now looking for Jesus Somewhere...to bad most won't see the warning or understand who's a false Jesus....


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« Reply #10 on: Sat Aug 18, 2012 - 11:35:46 »
If you look in Matt 24:5 we see the warning

What's next 6-7 wars famine pestilences - now see what the first 3 riders of Rev 6:2-6 says - see the tribulation just started and pre trib Jesus didn't show and so we have false ones Now show....

Matt v8 the begining of sorrows - start of tribulation

Mark 13:6 false Christ
13:7-8 wars famines pestilences and earthquakes
(notice it says the begining of sorrows - start of the tribulation)

Luke 21:8 false Jesus
21:9-11 famines pestilences earthquakes wars
(v9 these must come First - end is not yet)

Rev 6:1 and when Jesus opens first seal the tribulation starts
6:2 Antichrist goes out to conquer his kingdom - wars
6:4 wars
6:5 famine
 
Ofcourse wars lead to famine and to pestilences so that 1/4th the world dies.(8)


How some don't believe the trib starts here is beyond me

not to mention almost all Christians are taught there are 4 horseman but we see that's wrong
if they can't count how can they teach? They were past the tradition down of 4 horsemen

6:2 white horse
6:4 red horse
6:6 pale horse
6:8 both death and hell

that's five riders by my account....

Ofcourse wars lead to famines to pestilences to death which seals your fate in hell (for the unsaved world) that's why there are 5!

While the Antichrist brings the others.... His reign will bring the rest of the riders...
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Re: Matthew 24:26 The secret chambers = Secret rapture warning
« Reply #11 on: Sat Aug 18, 2012 - 12:29:41 »
It's nothing to do with some secret chamber...

It a play on the fact that ever eye will see Christ come on the clouds so there's no way he could be on earth in some secret room... In some secret rapture....


They don't want Christians to ever be fooled by people who are from earth...
Every eye sees him - that's how we know He's here.

This show we don't just disapear in some secret rapture we go when every eye sees him.
« Last Edit: Sat Aug 18, 2012 - 12:34:30 by KNOWLEDGE BOMB »

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« Reply #12 on: Sun Aug 19, 2012 - 05:54:46 »
When Jesus does not show for the pre trib rapture (agreement of dan9:27 starts the tribulation)
tribulation starts and Jesus is everywhere....

Hey buddy.... Spisss over here, Jesus came back and is over at this place....


Ofcourse the Christians who thought they'd be gone are now looking for Jesus Somewhere...to bad most won't see the warning or understand who's a false Jesus....

It does NOT say Loe here is jesus  or there is jesus it says CHRIST.

Which means anointing.

Lo here is the annointing etc.

"If any man says he is Christ he will be cast oiut of the synagogue" here he was talking to a man blind from birth now healed who had been cast out because of his testomony and new life.

The chuirch has become so worldly that Jesus is outside the church knocking on the door.
The BRIDE of Christ  is going to have to "suffer without the camp"Even as Moses and Jesus did,.
She too will be despised and rejected  by her own bretheren and some will put to death thinking they do Gods will.

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« Reply #13 on: Sun Aug 19, 2012 - 06:28:24 »

The chuirch has become so worldly that Jesus is outside the church knocking on the door.
The BRIDE of Christ  is going to have to "suffer without the camp"Even as Moses and Jesus did,.
She too will be despised and rejected  by her own bretheren and some will put to death thinking they do Gods will.

That is not the truth. In fact, it is evil speech against Christ.The Bride of Christ is spotless and without wrinkle and is presentable to the Bridegroom, who loves and cherishes her.

We who are Christians are the Church, the betrothed and made ready! We are those Jesus shed His precious blood for, so to say that she is not clean or made perfect for Him is a lie of the enemy. Jesus Christ, our Bridegroom loves the Bride, and died for her. He cleansed her with His life's blood, and He cares for her and blesses her and has become one with her. Our responsibility as the Bride is to remain in Him.

While there will be individuals who reject the one they called their Saviour, there will be a huge throng of people who do not, who live to serve their Lord and are filled with His Spirit, obedient to His word. It is that Bride Jesus will call to His side! That is the true Church.


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« Reply #14 on: Wed Aug 22, 2012 - 07:32:39 »

The chuirch has become so worldly that Jesus is outside the church knocking on the door.
The BRIDE of Christ  is going to have to "suffer without the camp"Even as Moses and Jesus did,.
She too will be despised and rejected  by her own bretheren and some will put to death thinking they do Gods will.

That is not the truth. In fact, it is evil speech against Christ.The Bride of Christ is spotless and without wrinkle and is presentable to the Bridegroom, who loves and cherishes her.

We who are Christians are the Church, the betrothed and made ready! We are those Jesus shed His precious blood for, so to say that she is not clean or made perfect for Him is a lie of the enemy. Jesus Christ, our Bridegroom loves the Bride, and died for her. He cleansed her with His life's blood, and He cares for her and blesses her and has become one with her. Our responsibility as the Bride is to remain in Him.

While there will be individuals who reject the one they called their Saviour, there will be a huge throng of people who do not, who live to serve their Lord and are filled with His Spirit, obedient to His word. It is that Bride Jesus will call to His side! That is the true Church.

Then LISTEN take heed to what the Spirit sayeth to the church......es.

it is not I who paints the picture of the last church it is the Spirit of Christ the Spirit of truth.
it is not I who says Behold I stand at the door and knock.,......"
That is a call to THE church the ONE body to repent!

Moroever if the Lord is OUTSIDE the church what light do they have INSIDE it?

if thy light be darkness how great is your darkness?

If the light of the world is OUTSIDE  it must be dark INSIDE!

If the Lord is knocking on the door. seeking entrance.Given that there is only ONE church.Then it is a call to the WHOLE church!
LET me in!

Who then is right ? The lord or the church?
Your perceptions  mine? or the lords?


I suppose it has to be said .I am not saying that a TRUE BORN child of God cannot be presented before the Lord without spot or wrinkle and blameless before the LORD.

But you seem to be ignorign the fact that we are to grow in grace and in the knowldge of God.
What is tolerated in "Little children" cannot be in "young men" What is toleratede in young men cannot be in "Ye fathers"
"For folly in a wise man is as a fly in the ointment.,"

Little children as i have said before .Maybe betrothed.. But they do not get married.

You are right in what you said about every true born child of God if they a bide in him they will bear much fruit and is it not also written that he pruneth it that it may bear even  more fruit?

in Christ

gerald
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« Reply #15 on: Wed Aug 22, 2012 - 14:11:28 »
I take it you believe that the Lord is just whistling Dixie when He says He will keep His Church and that the gates of hell will not prevail against it?

You think that what you see around you in individual churches is what is happening in the Church in the entire world? You know there  are churches, and there is the Church. think about the latter, rather than focusing on the former.

The Bride of Christ is holy and blemish-free.

Ephesians 5:25b-27
Christ loved the church. He gave up his life for her to make her holy and clean, washed by the cleansing of God’s word. He did this to present her to himself as a glorious church without a spot or wrinkle or any other blemish. Instead, she will be holy and without fault.

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Re: Matthew 24:26 The secret chambers = Secret rapture warning
« Reply #16 on: Wed Aug 22, 2012 - 19:17:19 »

The chuirch has become so worldly that Jesus is outside the church knocking on the door.
The BRIDE of Christ  is going to have to "suffer without the camp"Even as Moses and Jesus did,.
She too will be despised and rejected  by her own bretheren and some will put to death thinking they do Gods will.

That is not the truth. In fact, it is evil speech against Christ.The Bride of Christ is spotless and without wrinkle and is presentable to the Bridegroom, who loves and cherishes her.

We who are Christians are the Church, the betrothed and made ready! We are those Jesus shed His precious blood for, so to say that she is not clean or made perfect for Him is a lie of the enemy. Jesus Christ, our Bridegroom loves the Bride, and died for her. He cleansed her with His life's blood, and He cares for her and blesses her and has become one with her. Our responsibility as the Bride is to remain in Him.

While there will be individuals who reject the one they called their Saviour, there will be a huge throng of people who do not, who live to serve their Lord and are filled with His Spirit, obedient to His word. It is that Bride Jesus will call to His side! That is the true Church.

Pride is sinful, ya know. Don't be so arrogant as to think you are spotless. I think you need to go back and read the book of Job. Get some perspective.

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Re: Matthew 24:26 The secret chambers = Secret rapture warning
« Reply #17 on: Wed Aug 22, 2012 - 22:29:20 »

The chuirch has become so worldly that Jesus is outside the church knocking on the door.
The BRIDE of Christ  is going to have to "suffer without the camp"Even as Moses and Jesus did,.
She too will be despised and rejected  by her own bretheren and some will put to death thinking they do Gods will.

That is not the truth. In fact, it is evil speech against Christ.The Bride of Christ is spotless and without wrinkle and is presentable to the Bridegroom, who loves and cherishes her.

We who are Christians are the Church, the betrothed and made ready! We are those Jesus shed His precious blood for, so to say that she is not clean or made perfect for Him is a lie of the enemy. Jesus Christ, our Bridegroom loves the Bride, and died for her. He cleansed her with His life's blood, and He cares for her and blesses her and has become one with her. Our responsibility as the Bride is to remain in Him.

While there will be individuals who reject the one they called their Saviour, there will be a huge throng of people who do not, who live to serve their Lord and are filled with His Spirit, obedient to His word. It is that Bride Jesus will call to His side! That is the true Church.

Pride is sinful, ya know. Don't be so arrogant as to think you are spotless. I think you need to go back and read the book of Job. Get some perspective.

It isn't arrogance to believe and declare what God says. The Body of Christ is made up of followers of Jesus---redeemed, blood-bought children of God.

God sees us as righteous and spotless! Do you not understand God's grace?


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Re: Matthew 24:26 The secret chambers = Secret rapture warning
« Reply #18 on: Wed Aug 22, 2012 - 22:35:49 »

The chuirch has become so worldly that Jesus is outside the church knocking on the door.
The BRIDE of Christ  is going to have to "suffer without the camp"Even as Moses and Jesus did,.
She too will be despised and rejected  by her own bretheren and some will put to death thinking they do Gods will.

That is not the truth. In fact, it is evil speech against Christ.The Bride of Christ is spotless and without wrinkle and is presentable to the Bridegroom, who loves and cherishes her.

We who are Christians are the Church, the betrothed and made ready! We are those Jesus shed His precious blood for, so to say that she is not clean or made perfect for Him is a lie of the enemy. Jesus Christ, our Bridegroom loves the Bride, and died for her. He cleansed her with His life's blood, and He cares for her and blesses her and has become one with her. Our responsibility as the Bride is to remain in Him.

While there will be individuals who reject the one they called their Saviour, there will be a huge throng of people who do not, who live to serve their Lord and are filled with His Spirit, obedient to His word. It is that Bride Jesus will call to His side! That is the true Church.

Pride is sinful, ya know. Don't be so arrogant as to think you are spotless. I think you need to go back and read the book of Job. Get some perspective.

It isn't arrogance to believe and declare what God says. The Body of Christ is made up of followers of Jesus---redeemed, blood-bought children of God.

God sees us as righteous and spotless! Do you not understand God's grace?

Much more clearly than you do, apparently. God told Satan that Job was perfect, yet he allowed satan to test him.

He has allowed christians to be killed in his name for the past 2000 years. Christians are even now being killed and imprisoned.. are they not "spotless?" Or have they somehow sinned.

Oh and let us not forget jesus Christ, who was beaten,  mocked, flogged, spit on, crucified and stabbed. he was the most spotless of all, and yet god allowed it to happen.

Check that pride of yours, sister, ele you find yourself in the wrong church.

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Re: Matthew 24:26 The secret chambers = Secret rapture warning
« Reply #19 on: Wed Aug 22, 2012 - 23:04:11 »

The chuirch has become so worldly that Jesus is outside the church knocking on the door.
The BRIDE of Christ  is going to have to "suffer without the camp"Even as Moses and Jesus did,.
She too will be despised and rejected  by her own bretheren and some will put to death thinking they do Gods will.

That is not the truth. In fact, it is evil speech against Christ.The Bride of Christ is spotless and without wrinkle and is presentable to the Bridegroom, who loves and cherishes her.

We who are Christians are the Church, the betrothed and made ready! We are those Jesus shed His precious blood for, so to say that she is not clean or made perfect for Him is a lie of the enemy. Jesus Christ, our Bridegroom loves the Bride, and died for her. He cleansed her with His life's blood, and He cares for her and blesses her and has become one with her. Our responsibility as the Bride is to remain in Him.

While there will be individuals who reject the one they called their Saviour, there will be a huge throng of people who do not, who live to serve their Lord and are filled with His Spirit, obedient to His word. It is that Bride Jesus will call to His side! That is the true Church.

Pride is sinful, ya know. Don't be so arrogant as to think you are spotless. I think you need to go back and read the book of Job. Get some perspective.

It isn't arrogance to believe and declare what God says. The Body of Christ is made up of followers of Jesus---redeemed, blood-bought children of God.

God sees us as righteous and spotless! Do you not understand God's grace?

Much more clearly than you do, apparently. God told Satan that Job was perfect, yet he allowed satan to test him.

He has allowed christians to be killed in his name for the past 2000 years. Christians are even now being killed and imprisoned.. are they not "spotless?" Or have they somehow sinned.

Oh and let us not forget jesus Christ, who was beaten,  mocked, flogged, spit on, crucified and stabbed. he was the most spotless of all, and yet god allowed it to happen.

Check that pride of yours, sister, ele you find yourself in the wrong church.


Innocent blood is shed every day. Christians are indeed spotless in the sight of God, washed clean by the blood of Jesus Christ continually, according to 1 John 1:7.

You need to stop being arrogant yourself, lashing into me for the third time tonight. My pride is in check, and I rest in Jesus Christ. He does the convincing of the truth by His Spirit. Sometimes the worst responses to what the Lord has me say here are those whose consciences are pricked. Mine is clear.


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She too will be despised and rejected  by her own bretheren and some will put to death thinking they do Gods will.

Is this somehow just an excuse for you to despise the brethren here?
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Re: Matthew 24:26 The secret chambers = Secret rapture warning
« Reply #20 on: Thu Aug 23, 2012 - 05:45:49 »
I take it you believe that the Lord is just whistling Dixie when He says He will keep His Church and that the gates of hell will not prevail against it?

You think that what you see around you in individual churches is what is happening in the Church in the entire world? You know there  are churches, and there is the Church. think about the latter, rather than focusing on the former.

The Bride of Christ is holy and blemish-free.

Ephesians 5:25b-27
Christ loved the church. He gave up his life for her to make her holy and clean, washed by the cleansing of God’s word. He did this to present her to himself as a glorious church without a spot or wrinkle or any other blemish. Instead, she will be holy and without fault.

And why then do you think he says repent! So that he CAN present her....... as you say.

When you say "and the gates of hell shall not prevail against her" What do you think that means?

Again it is not I who needs to reconcile the scriptures in this matter it is yourself.

Each church is sayign pretty much as you do.Im not picking out any one church.
Its always another church not mine.
Each church is it not but a part or member of THAT church which is his body?
 Then it is also part of that ONE church with the ONE door .

I recognise there is but ONE church and ONE  door and it is THAT door of the ONE church that the Lord is knocking on.(of which I am  a part)
It is not I who wrote it or indeed say it.

The promise is to" whosover has ears to hear and opens the door,to THEM will ......."
That word of God then will be fuillfiled  by and in those who have ears to hear and respond to the knocking!

in Christ

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Re: Matthew 24:26 The secret chambers = Secret rapture warning
« Reply #21 on: Thu Aug 23, 2012 - 06:33:54 »
I take it you believe that the Lord is just whistling Dixie when He says He will keep His Church and that the gates of hell will not prevail against it?

You think that what you see around you in individual churches is what is happening in the Church in the entire world? You know there  are churches, and there is the Church. think about the latter, rather than focusing on the former.

The Bride of Christ is holy and blemish-free.

Ephesians 5:25b-27
Christ loved the church. He gave up his life for her to make her holy and clean, washed by the cleansing of God’s word. He did this to present her to himself as a glorious church without a spot or wrinkle or any other blemish. Instead, she will be holy and without fault.

And why then do you think he says repent! So that he CAN present her....... as you say.

When you say "and the gates of hell shall not prevail against her" What do you think that means?

Again it is not I who needs to reconcile the scriptures in this matter it is yourself.

Each church is sayign pretty much as you do.Im not picking out any one church.
Its always another church not mine.
Each church is it not but a part or member of THAT church which is his body?
 Then it is also part of that ONE church with the ONE door .

I recognise there is but ONE church and ONE  door and it is THAT door of the ONE church that the Lord is knocking on.(of which I am  a part)
It is not I who wrote it or indeed say it.

The promise is to" whosover has ears to hear and opens the door,to THEM will ......."
That word of God then will be fuillfiled  by and in those who have ears to hear and respond to the knocking!

in Christ

gerald

Once again, you need to focus on the Church, not churches. The Lord is knocking on the hearts of those who have become lukewarm in their faith. There are individuals who need to become either cold (refreshing waters) or hot (healing waters) in their faith---in otherwise---effective members of the Body of Christ. There are always those who are overcome with laziness, complacency and a general spiritual malaise.

I agree with you about that. However, there is always that vital, alive, effective and fruit-bearing Body of Christ among us who are not in need of such exhortation. These are those we must be emulating. It is this Church that the gates of hell are beating against, but not making any headway, praise God!! There will always be a main core of believers worldwide that is doing it right and pleasing God.

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Re: Matthew 24:26 The secret chambers = Secret rapture warning
« Reply #22 on: Fri Jun 06, 2014 - 12:33:38 »
http://bookstore.aroodawakening.tv/products/the-mystery-of-iniquity

That's a link to the book, btw, in case anyone else is curious.

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Re: Matthew 24:26 The secret chambers = Secret rapture warning
« Reply #23 on: Fri Jun 06, 2014 - 15:31:53 »

The chuirch has become so worldly that Jesus is outside the church knocking on the door.
The BRIDE of Christ  is going to have to "suffer without the camp"Even as Moses and Jesus did,.
She too will be despised and rejected  by her own bretheren and some will put to death thinking they do Gods will.

That is not the truth. In fact, it is evil speech against Christ.The Bride of Christ is spotless and without wrinkle and is presentable to the Bridegroom, who loves and cherishes her.

We who are Christians are the Church, the betrothed and made ready! We are those Jesus shed His precious blood for, so to say that she is not clean or made perfect for Him is a lie of the enemy. Jesus Christ, our Bridegroom loves the Bride, and died for her. He cleansed her with His life's blood, and He cares for her and blesses her and has become one with her. Our responsibility as the Bride is to remain in Him.

While there will be individuals who reject the one they called their Saviour, there will be a huge throng of people who do not, who live to serve their Lord and are filled with His Spirit, obedient to His word. It is that Bride Jesus will call to His side! That is the true Church.

Pride is sinful, ya know. Don't be so arrogant as to think you are spotless. I think you need to go back and read the book of Job. Get some perspective.

Christ's righteousness is imputed to the Believers/Bride of Christ.   That's why the Bride is spotless.   I don't think the poster is arrogant but understands what Christ's finished work accomplished.   

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Re: Matthew 24:26 The secret chambers = Secret rapture warning
« Reply #24 on: Fri Jun 06, 2014 - 15:40:28 »
I lean toward the Pre-Wrath position.   In a nutshell the Pre-Wrath position contends that the rapture is anything but secret.   There will be clearly visible signs before the Day of the Lord.   (That still is in-line with Christ's admonition that no one will know the day or the hour, but we can certainly know the season.)  The "Wrath" of Pre-Wrath refers to God's own unleashed wrath that is for unbelieving mankind and not for His people.   

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Re: Matthew 24:26 The secret chambers = Secret rapture warning
« Reply #25 on: Sat Jun 07, 2014 - 00:52:58 »
I thought it was pretty evident anyway since every eye sees Him,but I don't believe in more than one coming,I don't see a secret coming that isn't even in the scriptures,theres one coming in scripture not two,just because Paul calls it a mystery that doesn't give us permission to go and create a whole other coming out of it that's not there.

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Re: Matthew 24:26 The secret chambers = Secret rapture warning
« Reply #26 on: Sat Jun 07, 2014 - 02:09:58 »
I thought it was pretty evident anyway since every eye sees Him,but I don't believe in more than one coming,I don't see a secret coming that isn't even in the scriptures,theres one coming in scripture not two,just because Paul calls it a mystery that doesn't give us permission to go and create a whole other coming out of it that's not there.

Amen, there is no such thing taught in the holy scriptures as a "secret removing" of the church before the last day!

I lean toward the Pre-Wrath position.   In a nutshell the Pre-Wrath position contends that the rapture is anything but secret.   There will be clearly visible signs before the Day of the Lord.   (That still is in-line with Christ's admonition that no one will know the day or the hour, but we can certainly know the season.)  The "Wrath" of Pre-Wrath refers to God's own unleashed wrath that is for unbelieving mankind and not for His people.   

Amen David.  Matthew 24; Mark 13; and Luke 21, and many more scriptures gives us scriptures to testify that we are indeed living in the "little season" when Satan shall again be allowed to used his power as he did in the OT, when the world as a whole follow him, except a very small remnant within the nation of Israel. 

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to God's own unleashed wrath that is for unbelieving mankind and not for His people


True, but also to punished the apostate professing church where the man of sin sits and reign declaring himself to be God~and this he does by rejecting the word of God over and above his own personal likes and dislikes.     

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« Reply #27 on: Sat Jun 07, 2014 - 08:36:41 »
I lean toward the Pre-Wrath position.   In a nutshell the Pre-Wrath position contends that the rapture is anything but secret.   There will be clearly visible signs before the Day of the Lord.   (That still is in-line with Christ's admonition that no one will know the day or the hour, but we can certainly know the season.)  The "Wrath" of Pre-Wrath refers to God's own unleashed wrath that is for unbelieving mankind and not for His people.   

And when the day of the Lord comes, I'll be playing this song on loud speakers for all heathens to hear: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQTCS6aWRSc

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Re: Matthew 24:26 The secret chambers = Secret rapture warning
« Reply #28 on: Tue Mar 20, 2018 - 12:25:26 »
Kudos to gbzone's comment for bringing out the fact that this Matthew 24:23 verse says they would be saying "Lo here is CHRIST" - NOT that they would be saying "Lo here is JESUS".  The Jews of the first century were desperately looking for the imminent fulfillment in their days of their promised MESSIAH, the CHRIST, who had been predicted to appear in THEIR generation in the year AD 30 (according to the exact years laid out in the 70-week prophecy of Daniel 9:25).  EVERYONE in those years just before AD 30 were expecting MESSIAH THE CHRIST to make His appearance (Luke 3:15), from the delegation of the Pharisees sent to John (John 1:19-28), and those who would become the disciples (John 1:41), to the woman of the well in Samaria who knew enough to be expecting the Messiah at any moment (John 4:25).  When the majority of the Jews refused to accept Jesus as that promised Messiah the Christ, they tried to quickly find a substitute before too many years had passed since the AD 30 deadline of Daniel's 70-week prophecy.  These substitutes were what Jesus Christ called the "false christs" and the "false prophets" that would arise in that first-century generation. 

As for the subject of the "secret chamber" in the OP, actually, there WAS something with the title of the "SECRET CHAMBER" that was known to the Jews in that first century.  It was located within the temple itself.  I have commented on this before in the "Gleanings in Matthew 24" post in this end times forum.  The following is a duplicate of what I wrote there, because it is relevant to this post also.

Check out John Gill's comments on this in his "Exposition of the Entire Bible".  He quotes as follows: "For in the sanctuary, there were two chambers; one was called 'THE CHAMBER OF SECRETS'; and the other 'the chamber of vessels'."  (Misn. Shekalim, c.5.sect.6).

Another writer, Lambert Dolphin, in his work "The Temple of Solomon" refers to the same original source that Gill did, and adds this: "Two chambers in the temple are named in the Mishnah.  One, the Chamber of Secrets, was where the devout placed their gifts in secret.  The poor received support from these gifts also in secret.  The Chamber of Utensils was also a room for storing gifts from which distribution was made every thirty days."

Christ's reference to this "Secret Chamber" (tameion) of the temple then in existence means that His prophetic words regarding the emergence of pseudo-christs and pseudo-prophets in Matthew 24:24-26 would come to pass while that "Secret Chamber" of Jerusalem's temple was still in existence.  This actually did come to pass in the AD 70 era, when both John and Eleazar, two competing leaders of Zealot factions, both invaded the inner temple and helped themselves to the wealth of resources it contained in order to supply their own armies.  (Wars 5.13.6:562-565)

Since the Jerusalem temple and its "Secret Chamber" were physically destroyed in AD 70, then Christ's prophecy about those pseudo-christs must also be a past event to us.  Long past.

This "Secret Chamber" within the Jerusalem temple was just one example that links this prophecy to that first century.  The other example given in this Matthew 24:26 context was also linked with a first-century phenomena - that of some false christs who would show up IN THE WILDERNESS, trying to gain a following.  Before the epistles of the New Testament had even finished being written, an example of this had already occurred.  We find it in Acts 21:38, when the Roman chief captain whose soldiers had rescued Paul from being killed by the Jewish mob at the temple asked Paul this question: "Art not thou that Egyptian,  which before these days madest an uproar, and leddest out INTO THE WILDERNESS four thousand men that were murderers (sicarii)?"  This scriptural record of an Egyptian insurrectionist who had tried to gain a following of sicarii in Israel (some of the Zealots) to rebel against Roman rule was also duplicated in Josephus' writings (Wars 2.261-263). 

None of this is prophetically applicable to us and our future today - it's a done deal already.  Generally speaking, there is too much fear-mongering in this end-times forum, which "spirit of fear" should not characterize our mindset as God's children.

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Re: Matthew 24:26 The secret chambers = Secret rapture warning
« Reply #29 on: Fri Apr 13, 2018 - 03:20:42 »
I've been reading a book called "the mystery of Iniquity" by Michael Rood, and he revealed something in his book about the lie of the pre-tribulation rapture that I felt was very important to share with you, as I think this verse, when properly understood, is a warning to people about false prophets and teachers who would tell people that the rapture is a secret.

Here's the verse:

Matt: 24:26:
Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, [he is] in the secret chambers; believe [it] not.

The part we need to focus on is part B: "behold, [he is] in the secret chambers; believe [it] not."

"The secret chambers" is translated as tameion. But the writer makes a case that tameion, in this case, is a noun being used as an adjective describing the environment of Y'shua's coming, but the significance is not on the location, but on the condition. It's important to understand this, because Y'shua is NOT telling us to beware of false prophets who say He(Y'shua) is going to be hiding someplace in a secret chamber, or a storehouse when he returns. That would be absurd, especially when we know that ALL EYES SHALL SEE HIM. No, he's warning us about false prophets who claim his coming is SECRET.

As we see in Matthew 6:5-6, a closet<tameion>, is also referring to praying in secret and not in front of others. It's not talking about actually going into a closet to pray, just that we should deliberately pray away form people who might watch. In fact the whole context of Matthew 6:5-6 is talking about praying in secret.

In Luke 12:2-3, we see evidence of this again "That which ya have spoken in the ear in closets<tameion> shall be proclaimed upon the housetops." Again, this isn't talking about physical closets. This is things said in secret.

There is no sercet rapture of the church. All eyes will see him. If someone tries to preach this lie to you, do as Y'shua said and Believe it not!

This is a massage to the Jews in Petra who have fled. Jesus tells them not to fall for the Anti-Christ and False Prophets miracles and lies, thus going unto where they might be at, in the Desert or in a Secret Chamber. He says IF it were possible they would deceive the very elect, but then h says BEHOLD I have told you before hand [warned them whats coming so they can't be deceived].

If they says hes in the desert or secret chambers DON'T GO !! The very next verse Jesus says where and how he will come back, in the EASTERN SKIES. So why would Jewish Elect who have repented, else they would not have heeded Jesus/ voice and fled Judea when they saw the AoD, so why would they not understand this also, BEHOLD because I have told you beforehand I will be coming in the EASTERN SKIES. Where the Carcass is the Eagles will be gathered means the Church/BRIDE coming back from Heaven with Christ will be where the CARCASS is at, meaning the Armageddon MARRIAGE SUPPER of Rev. 19:17-18, where the fowls eat the flesh of men, kings, horses (METAPHORICALLY of course). The Marriage Supper is the CARCASS, the EAGLES are the Church/Bride.

The Bride and Christ return IMMEDIATELY AFTER the Tribulation.

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Re: Matthew 24:26 The secret chambers = Secret rapture warning
« Reply #30 on: Sun Apr 15, 2018 - 02:28:25 »
I've been reading a book called "the mystery of Iniquity" by Michael Rood, and he revealed something in his book about the lie of the pre-tribulation rapture that I felt was very important to share with you, as I think this verse, when properly understood, is a warning to people about false prophets and teachers who would tell people that the rapture is a secret.

Here's the verse:

Matt: 24:26:
Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, [he is] in the secret chambers; believe [it] not.

The part we need to focus on is part B: "behold, [he is] in the secret chambers; believe [it] not."

"The secret chambers" is translated as tameion. But the writer makes a case that tameion, in this case, is a noun being used as an adjective describing the environment of Y'shua's coming, but the significance is not on the location, but on the condition. It's important to understand this, because Y'shua is NOT telling us to beware of false prophets who say He(Y'shua) is going to be hiding someplace in a secret chamber, or a storehouse when he returns. That would be absurd, especially when we know that ALL EYES SHALL SEE HIM. No, he's warning us about false prophets who claim his coming is SECRET.

As we see in Matthew 6:5-6, a closet<tameion>, is also referring to praying in secret and not in front of others. It's not talking about actually going into a closet to pray, just that we should deliberately pray away form people who might watch. In fact the whole context of Matthew 6:5-6 is talking about praying in secret.

In Luke 12:2-3, we see evidence of this again "That which ya have spoken in the ear in closets<tameion> shall be proclaimed upon the housetops." Again, this isn't talking about physical closets. This is things said in secret.

There is no sercet rapture of the church. All eyes will see him. If someone tries to preach this lie to you, do as Y'shua said and Believe it not!

I posted something similar not to long ago,bottom line being,if someone has to tell you Christ has came..............He hasn't!!!!!!

 

     
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