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May 27, 2012
« on: Fri Sep 11, 2009 - 18:43:30 »
As most will not know we are in the final 3 1/2 years of mans rule, life as we know it is changing we are close to the time that the bible makes clear will destroy one third of this world many have mocked these things calling Ron Wienland a false prophet and it makes me sick that mans pride has blinded our eyes, the bible also makes clear that we will hate Ron but that is the sickest thing of all. People need to wake up! repent and turn to god, stop following your pagan holidays, christmas, easter, ect all false!! If your heart tugs at you because of this go to the-end.com you may hate me but I don't care

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Re: May 27, 2012
« Reply #1 on: Fri Sep 11, 2009 - 18:52:29 »
Are you talking about the Ron Wienland who made this prophecy:

"By the fall of 2008, the United States will have collapsed as a world power, or it will have begun its collapse and no longer exist as an independent nation within six months after that time."

Well, let's see---it's been a year since the "fall of 2008" and I still see plenty of US flags flying in every state.  The Bible doesn't "make clear we will hate Ron"---but it does make clear that there will be many false prophets setting dates,  and making themselves out to be far more important than they are.

Mr. Wienland definitely falls into that category of people-and yes--the Bible does speak of Ron in the books of 2 Peter and Jude.

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Hey, Kevin-2012, just a few questions here:

What is the scriptural requirement of a prophet?

What is the scriptual disqualification of a prophet?


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Re: May 27, 2012
« Reply #3 on: Fri Sep 11, 2009 - 19:25:57 »
As most what will know? 

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Re: May 27, 2012
« Reply #4 on: Fri Sep 11, 2009 - 19:47:31 »
Let me ask you something in turn, where in the bible does it say to celebrate christmas, easter or any one of them, it does say in the ten comandments to keep the sabbath holy

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Who's Ron anyway?

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Re: May 27, 2012
« Reply #6 on: Fri Sep 11, 2009 - 19:57:59 »
If you do the thing right I'm sure most of you research most of what Ron Wienland says and just because you don't get the downfall of a country on a specific day you are smug about you should thank god that he has withheld that pain for a short time! If you really listen Ron said it began on the 17th of april 2008 that doesnt mean one day, the bible works different than pagan time and calanders! It's gods time sun up and sun down.

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Re: May 27, 2012
« Reply #7 on: Fri Sep 11, 2009 - 20:00:50 »
As most will not know we are in the final 3 1/2 years of mans rule, life as we know it is changing we are close to the time that the bible makes clear will destroy one third of this world many have mocked these things calling Ron Wienland a false prophet and it makes me sick that mans pride has blinded our eyes, the bible also makes clear that we will hate Ron but that is the sickest thing of all. People need to wake up! repent and turn to god, stop following your pagan holidays, christmas, easter, ect all false!! If your heart tugs at you because of this go to the-end.com you may hate me but I don't care

Well, this is interesting...by the way; why would we hate you?

Gods command is to love oneanother ::smile::

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Re: May 27, 2012
« Reply #8 on: Fri Sep 11, 2009 - 20:06:55 »


Well, this is interesting...by the way; why would we hate you?

Gods command is to love oneanother ::smile::


Most hate the truth and the truth teller, most churches today hate Jesus' message so they preach the messenger not the message

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Re: May 27, 2012
« Reply #9 on: Fri Sep 11, 2009 - 21:08:41 »
As most will not know we are in the final 3 1/2 years of mans rule, life as we know it is changing we are close to the time that the bible makes clear will destroy one third of this world many have mocked these things calling Ron Wienland a false prophet and it makes me sick that mans pride has blinded our eyes, the bible also makes clear that we will hate Ron but that is the sickest thing of all. People need to wake up! repent and turn to god, stop following your pagan holidays, christmas, easter, ect all false!! If your heart tugs at you because of this go to the-end.com you may hate me but I don't care

Why do you capitalize  Ron's name --but not God, Christmas, Easter, Bible? You even capitalize the first word of sentence ---but not God?

Typo or some other undercurrent of an agenda?

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Re: May 27, 2012
« Reply #10 on: Fri Sep 11, 2009 - 21:58:26 »
Let me ask you something in turn, where in the bible does it say to celebrate christmas, easter or any one of them, it does say in the ten comandments to keep the sabbath holy


smoke screen, friend.  Can you not deal with the extant topic?  When one finds themselves shown to be in error, to turn and try to divert the topic is childish.  They do that in third grade.  Then again, is that what we are to expect from one who listens to a person who has undeniably been proven to be a false prophet -- by his own words and books which anybody can verify in just a moment?  Apparently so.  And will you acknowledge the truth in this matter?  Apparently not.  You have been rebuked twice, and thus according to the Word, I can have nothing more to do with you.  Sorry, but I see no other way in the Word on this one.

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Re: May 27, 2012
« Reply #11 on: Fri Sep 11, 2009 - 22:06:52 »
Are you talking about the Ron Wienland who made this prophecy:

"By the fall of 2008, the United States will have collapsed as a world power, or it will have begun its collapse and no longer exist as an independent nation within six months after that time."

Well, let's see---it's been a year since the "fall of 2008" and I still see plenty of US flags flying in every state.  The Bible doesn't "make clear we will hate Ron"---but it does make clear that there will be many false prophets setting dates,  and making themselves out to be far more important than they are.

Mr. Wienland definitely falls into that category of people-and yes--the Bible does speak of Ron in the books of 2 Peter and Jude.


Deut 18:20-22
20   'But the prophet who shall speak a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or which he shall speak in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.'
21   "And you may say in your heart, 'How shall we know the word which the LORD has not spoken?'
22   "When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.
(NAS)

Case closed.

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Re: May 27, 2012
« Reply #12 on: Sat Sep 12, 2009 - 10:47:41 »

smoke screen, friend.  Can you not deal with the extant topic?  When one finds themselves shown to be in error, to turn and try to divert the topic is childish.  They do that in third grade.  Then again, is that what we are to expect from one who listens to a person who has undeniably been proven to be a false prophet -- by his own words and books which anybody can verify in just a moment?  Apparently so.  And will you acknowledge the truth in this matter?  Apparently not.  You have been rebuked twice, and thus according to the Word, I can have nothing more to do with you.  Sorry, but I see no other way in the Word on this one.
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Childish? Brother I'll tell you I've been to these "churches" I've seen the Jesus that they preach, you talk of childish behavior, they are the childish ones! God says keep the sabbath holy and still our pride has along with the pope made sunday the day to worship False!!
You rebuke me? Not out of love friend but of pride, pride that blinds you from God's truth and that's s

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Re: May 27, 2012
« Reply #13 on: Sat Sep 12, 2009 - 11:12:03 »
The word of God is no smoke screen.  God Himself said that if a prophet shills a prophecy that doesn't come true, we are to ignore him, he is not from God.  To ignore the clear Word of God on this is to presume yourself wiser than God.

I'll pass on that, thank you.  Smoke and all.

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Re: May 27, 2012
« Reply #14 on: Sat Sep 12, 2009 - 11:25:54 »
I like what Ron Popeil talks about better.  At least he isn't making up stories, and he sells food dehydrators.

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Re: May 27, 2012
« Reply #15 on: Sat Sep 12, 2009 - 11:26:43 »
The word of God is no smoke screen.  God Himself said that if a prophet shills a prophecy that doesn't come true, we are to ignore him, he is not from God.  To ignore the clear Word of God on this is to presume yourself wiser than God.

I'll pass on that, thank you.  Smoke and all.

Untrue? that's what's wrong with this world you need to see to believe, We haven't changed they wanted signs 2000 years ago too when there were signs all around them, but they are blind! material things , things we can see thats how we live and its sick, You praise your pastors, your popes like they're better than God! And before you say it I do not worship Ron, My eyes are open to the truth that God has revealed to him It's God's word!! It's God's truth!! Man's selfish ways hate God's truth! They hate Jesus' message but they love the messenger, why? Because he comforts man's pride and man's greed.

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Re: May 27, 2012
« Reply #16 on: Sat Sep 12, 2009 - 11:27:42 »
As most will not know we are in the final 3 1/2 years of mans rule, life as we know it is changing we are close to the time that the bible makes clear will destroy one third of this world many have mocked these things calling Ron Wienland a false prophet and it makes me sick that mans pride has blinded our eyes, the bible also makes clear that we will hate Ron but that is the sickest thing of all. People need to wake up! repent and turn to god, stop following your pagan holidays, christmas, easter, ect all false!! If your heart tugs at you because of this go to the-end.com you may hate me but I don't care

A disciple of Armstrong.  Should have known.  How many widows has this man fleeced?

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Re: May 27, 2012
« Reply #17 on: Sat Sep 12, 2009 - 12:08:01 »
Kevin, give careful consideration to the words of God in Deuteronomy.  God's trying to help you cut through the dross, but it only works if you'll take God at His word and trust Him enough to walk away from seemingly convincing people when their words and His are in conflict.

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« Reply #18 on: Sat Sep 12, 2009 - 12:49:42 »

Dear Kevin, I'm not sorry to say that new prophesy will not add to, or change the already fulfilled word of God. And according to Romans 2:16, we will not be judged by these things you are saying, but what God has revealed to us in His completed word.

Colossians 1:25  Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
 
Galatians 1:8  But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
 
Galatians 1:11  But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
Galatians 1:12   For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
 
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Re: May 27, 2012
« Reply #19 on: Sat Sep 12, 2009 - 15:04:38 »
Kevin, give careful consideration to the words of God in Deuteronomy.  God's trying to help you cut through the dross, but it only works if you'll take God at His word and trust Him enough to walk away from seemingly convincing people when their words and His are in conflict.

I'm not going to sit here trying to make people believe, that's not my job. But soon you will believe, because Ron has not been wrong at all
beginning in 2008 this country started its down fall the stockmarket was ever so close to dying, It's on it's last string. The man that so many believe will help the country will instead help cut the string. the time to wake up is now! the bible speaks of a prophet that deceives many but the only people who are deceived are the ones filled with so much pride that they hold onto lies rooted from the catholic church.

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Re: May 27, 2012
« Reply #20 on: Sat Sep 12, 2009 - 15:27:05 »
We'll all know who was right on May 28, 2012.

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« Reply #21 on: Sat Sep 12, 2009 - 20:33:25 »
You know pride runs so deep in the mind of man, if man can't be right than they'll destroy anybody and anything until they are right. But man in it's foolish ways thinks that it can destroy God? How sick is that! The truth is here before your eyes and still you turn away, sick. The fact that we need to see to believe is proof that traditional christianity is wrong! Today if Jesus was standing next to you, you wouldn't see him because your eyes are closed and your minds asleep. But soon friends God will leave you in no doubt!!

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Re: May 27, 2012
« Reply #22 on: Sat Sep 12, 2009 - 20:43:09 »
Au contraire, mon ami!  It is precisely because I believe the words of Jesus & His Father (in Deuteronomy) that I cannot listen to presumptuous false prophets.  To listen to the man would be to ignore God's will in this matter.  Read the passage again, and see that it is God who said it, not me, not "traditional Christianity" and not "the catholic church."

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« Reply #23 on: Sat Sep 12, 2009 - 20:48:05 »
Au contraire, mon ami!  It is precisely because I believe the words of Jesus & His Father (in Deuteronomy) that I cannot listen to presumptuous false prophets.  To listen to the man would be to ignore God's will in this matter.  Read the passage again, and see that it is God who said it, not me, not "traditional Christianity" and not "the catholic church."


I feel bad for you James truly I do

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Re: May 27, 2012
« Reply #24 on: Sat Sep 12, 2009 - 21:27:44 »
Easier than feeling bad for not listening to God's warning in Deut. I guess, huh?

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Easier than feeling bad for not listening to God's warning in Deut. I guess, huh?

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Re: May 27, 2012
« Reply #26 on: Sun Sep 13, 2009 - 04:41:37 »
First of all, I'm not coming at this from a point of pride, and if you'll reread the thread you'll see that.  I'm simply calling on you to believe the Word of God, not a man who has already failed the biblical test of a true prophet.  That you seem to only want to attack the character of a brother  you don't even know rather than make a biblical argument doesn't speak to my state of character, but yours.  It's easier for you to attack me than to deal with what God said in that one simple passage, it appears from your reply above.  Rather than making such silly statements, why haven't you dealt with the passage?  If you have a biblical leg to stand on, I'd assume you'd be trying to make your case, not making personal jabs and meaningless "I feel sorry for you" statements.  Again, that doesn't speak to anyone else who's participated in this thread but you.  It's certainly not the approach to take if you want anyone to hear your case.

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« Reply #27 on: Sun Sep 13, 2009 - 09:18:29 »
When Daniel enquired to know about the events that were to happen in the end-time, which God had just given him to write about (Daniel 12), God told him that he was not to know since the words he was given to write were closed up and sealed until the time of the end. It is obvious that God would reveal the meaning of the words to his prophets at a later date prior to Jesus Christ's return. The scripture that states, ?No man knows the hour,? was true 1900 years ago. Since this statement, Jesus Christ has ascended to heaven and has been appointed the Head of the True Church of God. Jesus Christ was accounted worthy to open the Seals as written in the Book of Revelation. We are now at the time of the end as stated in Daniel. Jesus Christ has revealed to His Church the timing of the opening of the seals and the day of His return as King of kings. And God Himself states, ?Surely the Lord GOD does nothing, unless He reveals His secret to His servants the prophets? (Amos 3:7).

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Re: May 27, 2012
« Reply #28 on: Wed Sep 16, 2009 - 20:12:42 »
"By the fall of 2008, the United States will have collapsed as a world power, or it will have begun its collapse and no longer exist as an independent nation within six months after that time."
Did he really say that?

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« Reply #29 on: Wed Sep 16, 2009 - 20:23:36 »
Quote from: kevin-2012« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2009, 06:47:31 PM »
 
Let me ask you something in turn, where in the bible does it say to celebrate christmas, easter or any one of them, it does say in the ten comandments to keep the sabbath holy


Colossians 2:16  Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

In Jesus' name - larry2

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When Daniel enquired to know about the events that were to happen in the end-time, which God had just given him to write about (Daniel 12), God told him that he was not to know since the words he was given to write were closed up and sealed until the time of the end. It is obvious that God would reveal the meaning of the words to his prophets at a later date prior to Jesus Christ's return. The scripture that states, ?No man knows the hour,? was true 1900 years ago. Since this statement, Jesus Christ has ascended to heaven and has been appointed the Head of the True Church of God. Jesus Christ was accounted worthy to open the Seals as written in the Book of Revelation. We are now at the time of the end as stated in Daniel. Jesus Christ has revealed to His Church the timing of the opening of the seals and the day of His return as King of kings. And God Himself states, ?Surely the Lord GOD does nothing, unless He reveals His secret to His servants the prophets? (Amos 3:7).

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Kevin - The man you believe has shown you the truth - Ron Weinland - has a book (which you've undoubtedly read) called, "The Prophesied End Time", in which he states that "In January of 1986, the work of the end-time Elijah came to an end when he died. His name was Herbert W. Armstrong. God called him out of this world and gave him a most incredible job to perform.  That job began very humbly in the early 1930s."

Mr. Armstrong started the WorldWide Church of God, teaching that Jesus was not the Son of God, that Jesus had to be born again, that salvation was by grace through faith + works, that Christians must observe the Jewish Sabbath to be saved, that believers were required to tithe 30%, that white Anglo-Saxons replaced Israel as God's chosen people...

Spend an hour, and search Google on what Armstrong taught, keeping in mind that Mr. Weinland believes that Armstrong was correct.  The church that Armstrong started, the WCG, even repudiated Armstrong's teachings, after his death, when the Tkach's took over leadership of the church.

Do the research and remember that Ronald Weinland agrees with these views.  Then, read your Bible, and see if these views conflict, or agree, with God's Word.  Don't take my word for it, read it for yourself.  Put aside End Times teachings, for a little while, and focus on the Bible, not any man's teaching - and ask God to show His truth to you.  I believe that will be a prayer that God would love to answer.

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Re: May 27, 2012
« Reply #31 on: Fri May 14, 2010 - 05:53:55 »
As most will not know we are in the final 3 1/2 years of mans rule, life as we know it is changing we are close to the time that the bible makes clear will destroy one third of this world many have mocked these things calling Ron Wienland a false prophet and it makes me sick that mans pride has blinded our eyes, the bible also makes clear that we will hate Ron but that is the sickest thing of all. People need to wake up! repent and turn to god, stop following your pagan holidays, christmas, easter, ect all false!! If your heart tugs at you because of this go to the-end.com you may hate me but I don't care

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Re: May 27, 2012
« Reply #32 on: Fri May 14, 2010 - 11:34:30 »
Let me ask you something in turn, where in the bible does it say to celebrate christmas, easter or any one of them, it does say in the ten comandments to keep the sabbath holy

I agree with you up until the point where you believe which is the Sabbath?

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Re: May 27, 2012
« Reply #33 on: Fri May 14, 2010 - 12:41:45 »
Why not just look to Christ instead of looking for the end?

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Re: May 27, 2012
« Reply #34 on: Sat May 15, 2010 - 08:28:46 »
Why not just look to Christ instead of looking for the end?

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