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Anti-Semitic? Who are the Semites?
« on: Fri May 13, 2022 - 06:42:02 »
                                                                                       Anti-Semitic? Who are the Semites?   

by Dr. Ken Matto

This article is not a debate on whether National Israel is the great prophetic hot bed (it isn't) which the Christian should keep its eye on but rather who has right to the claim of the name Semite. I have already written a rather extensive work on the subject of The Israel of God (available on this site, link below) and the biblical conclusion is that the true Israel of God is the redeemed of God or better known as True Christians which contain both redeemed Gentiles and Jews.

Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. (2 Corinthians 5:16)

The above term teaches us that when we become a true Christian, that no longer are we to view each other according to the flesh. For example, I am Hungarian but that does not mean my new title in Christ is Hungarian-Christian or Messianic Magyar (Hungarian). Therefore, the moniker of Messianic Jew is absolutely inconsistent with the teachings of Scripture. The title given to every redeemed of God is "Christian" and that is it. The title 'Messianic Jew" is nothing more than an attempt to have one foot in the church and the other with the identifying of National Israel which is no friend of Christianity.

Christians have been duped

Preachers like John Hagee and the free-will, Pro-Israel church people have been duped by their pastors and radio preachers to believe that the Jews are God's "chosen people." That term was started by a Presbyterian Laymen in 1956 (Read Prophecy and Politics by Grace Halsell) and it is not a biblical statement or fact. The problem is that if someone opposes a Jew on anything whether they are saved or not, is labeled Anti-Semitic and quite frankly I am sick of seeing doltish Christians defend the enemies of Christ (and all unsaved are) against other Christians. The greatest source of lies and deceit are found in prophecy books written by preachers who are so entwined with Zionist politics and the Zionist Lobby that they have completely lost their ability to discern truth. Yet, Christians buy these Hollywood-style scripts by the millions and then interpret the Bible according to them.

What is a Political Semite?

The political definition of a Semite is one who is a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs. It is one who is a descendant of these people. They are a member of a modern people speaking a Semitic language.

Did you notice the number of groups? Four not One! These four groups make up the Semitic peoples of the earth. I have already checked the following out in two dictionaries. The term Anti-Semitic is used only of those who dislike or hate Jews, or as a weapon against whoever the Jews don't like. Hey, wait a minute, there are four groups who are considered Semitic. If I hate the Arabs it is not Anti-Semitism but if I hate the Jews it is? Someone is selling the literary world a bill of goods in the dictionaries. If the Semitic people are comprised of four groups, then any hate toward any group needs to be classified as Anti-Semitism. Therefore, if the Jews hate the Arabs, then they are being Anti-Semitic, if the Phoenicians hate the Akkadians, it is Anti-Semitism. Eclectic definitions of Anti-Semitism must not be tolerated in favor of one religion and they are a religion, not a race. It is obvious then that the term Anti-Semitism has been fostered on the non-thinking public as only alluding to the Jews which makes the modern definition a well-planned deception.

The other well-planned deception is that if you oppose Israel, you oppose God. Nothing could be further from the truth. Hebrews 1:1-2 says that in the last days God spoke to us through His Son, not the nation of Israel. Mention the name of Jesus Christ in Israel and you will get arrested or killed. Any Christian who supports Israel is supporting the enemies of Christ, whether by ignorance or not. I am not calling for the elimination of Israel, perish the thought because there are many of God's elect in Israel but that nation should not be looked upon as special in God's sight because nowhere in the Bible is it set apart as a special nation in the latter days (post-ascension era). God is dealing with His elect, the Israel of God, throughout the whole world and no longer with one nation as He did in the pre-Bethlehem days. His eyes are on the church, the TRUE ISRAEL OF GOD.

The Biblical Semites

One group which has been omitted from the term Semite is the very group which is normally persecuted by other groups especially followers of Judaism. However, this group is not of this world and that group is the Christians. How do I arrive at that Biblical conclusion? It is very simple.

And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth. (Genesis 5:32)

Shem was one of the three sons of Noah. His descendants are called Shemites or as we know it, "Semites," as the word was anglicized. Now let us look at how this conclusion is arrived at.

And the sons of Noah, that went forth of the ark, were Shem, and Ham, and Japheth: and Ham is the father of Canaan. (Genesis 9:18)

After the flood the family of Noah began to leave the safety of the Ark when the waters receded.

{23} And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness. {24} And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him. {25} And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. {26} And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. {27} God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. (Genesis 9:23-27)

After the flood Noah became drunk and knew that Canaan looked upon his father's nakedness while Shem and Japheth refused to look upon it and covered him as they walked backward. As a result Canaan was cursed but Shem and Japheth were both blessed. Notice that God was making a declaration that Japheth would be enlarged and dwell in the tents of Shem or in his camp. God has fulfilled His promise as the Gentile nations descended from Japheth but how are they dwelling in the tents of Shem? I am glad you asked.

Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood. (Genesis 10:1)

(Genesis 11:10-26)

{10} These are the generations of Shem: Shem was an hundred years old, and begat Arphaxad two years after the flood:

{11} And Shem lived after he begat Arphaxad five hundred years, and begat sons and daughters.

{12} And Arphaxad lived five and thirty years, and begat Salah:

{13} And Arphaxad lived after he begat Salah four hundred and three years, and begat sons and daughters.

{14} And Salah lived thirty years, and begat Eber:

{15} And Salah lived after he begat Eber four hundred and three years, and begat sons and daughters.

{16} And Eber lived four and thirty years, and begat Peleg:

{17} And Eber lived after he begat Peleg four hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters.

{18} And Peleg lived thirty years, and begat Reu:

{19} And Peleg lived after he begat Reu two hundred and nine years, and begat sons and daughters.

{20} And Reu lived two and thirty years, and begat Serug:

{21} And Reu lived after he begat Serug two hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters.

{22} And Serug lived thirty years, and begat Nahor:

{23} And Serug lived after he begat Nahor two hundred years, and begat sons and daughters.

{24} And Nahor lived nine and twenty years, and begat Terah:

{25} And Nahor lived after he begat Terah an hundred and nineteen years, and begat sons and daughters.

{26} And Terah lived seventy years, and begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran.

Are you beginning to get the picture? Abraham is in the lineage of Shem and Japheth is going to dwell within the tents or lineage of Shem. We know that Abraham had two sons: Isaac and Ishmael. Ishmael was the beginning of the Arab people and are Shemites or Semites in the truest sense of the term. Isaac begat Jacob who begat the twelve sons which began the twelve tribes of Israel and they are Shemites or Semites in the truest sense of the term. The Akkadians were dwellers in central Mesopotamia prior to 2000 B.C. and were also Semites. Abraham was born in 2167 B.C. and no doubt had much knowledge or interaction with these people because that is the very area which he lived until he was called out by God.

Now how then do I arrive at the biblical conclusion that Christians are Semites?

{6} Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. {7} Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. {8} And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. {9} So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. (Galatians 3:6-9)

{14} That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. {15} Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. {16} Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. (Galatians 3:14-16)

The Conclusion is: If you are a Christian, then you are in Christ making you of the seed of Abraham making you a spiritual Semite owing to the spiritual lineage of Abraham. Therefore, anyone who hates Christians or Christianity is Anti-Semitic. Anyone who hates Christ is Anti-Semitic!

The term Anti-Semitic began about 1883 just about the time the Zionists were growing in popularity calling for an established home land for the Jews.  It was also the time that Scofield came on the scene with his “false notes” Bible published in 1909.  It seemed that a term was needed to beat down everyone and anyone who opposed the Zionists. That term was "Anti-Semitic" which is used to this very day on anyone who opposes anything alluding to the nation of Israel or any Jewish person. It is used as an intimidation and terror instrument defaming the character of anyone. You will also find this term being thrown about in the free-will, pre-Trib, Israel worshipping churches by Christians toward other Christians who refuse to bow the knee to Israel or Messianic Judaism.

Notice I said "Messianic Judaism" and not Christianity and this is because the majority of saved Jews seem to place Israel above Christ. I remember being in a Prophecy Conference at America's Keswick in the early 80's (before God opened my spiritual ears to true biblical understanding) and the speaker from the Friends of Israel Gospel Ministry warned the hearers "Don't you be on the side of those who oppose Israel." Why? Will I lose my salvation if I oppose Israel? Many messianic Jews will equate you with being unsaved if you oppose Israel. Let them! You stand for Christ and the truth of Scripture because you are the highest form of Semite, a spiritual Semite in the line of Christ.

The reality is that not one Jew in this world that can prove they are Semitic or can trace their roots back to ancient Israel since the temple records were all destroyed in 70 A.D.  That is why they reject ancestry tests.  So if you are accused of Anti-Semitism then force that person to prove they are Semitic in lineage.  If they cannot prove it (and they can't) then there is no case against you!  Judaism does not equate to being a Semite.  Judaism is a false, Christ rejecting religion like Hinduism and that is it!  Those who claim to be physical Jews are nothing more than Gentiles that have been converted to Judaism at some point in history in their past lineage.  If you notice people groups, those people like Arabs are slightly brown skinned but if you notice all those who claim to be physical Jews are as white as me and that is because their lineage is Gentile.  When ancient Israel was destroyed in 70 A.D. many of them were killed by the Romans and the rest went into Rome and were dispersed throughout the Roman Empire as slaves, so today, without those temple records, no one knows who they are.

The modern nation of Israel is a total counterfeit and is not a re-birth of the ancient nation of Israel because there are no such teachings found in Scripture.  That belief arises out of intentionally false teachings from prophecy books which are created to add sensationalism to the Scriptures.  Remember when God spoke to Elijah in 1 Kings 19:12, it was in a still small voice and not fanfare.  And after the earthquake a fire; but the LORD was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice. (1 Kings 19:12)  The Israel that God is building is the Israel of God which is the body of believers in Christ.

Romans 2:28-29

28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. (Romans 2:28-29)

The Bible has redefined the term "Jew."  The term "Jew" is a shortened term of the word "Judah."  It simple denotes an allusion to those who dwelt in Judah.  Now why did the Apostle Paul write Romans 2:28-29 the way he did?  It was because those who are truly saved are now the true Jews.  The Lord Jesus Christ came from the tribe of Judah and all those who are in Christ are his spiritual descendants as we saw the descendants of Abraham being spiritual Semites.  Therefore since Christ came from the tribe of Judah and if you are truly saved, then you are a spiritual Jew.  This term is loathed by the pre-trib, dispensational, obsessed with Israel crowd yet it is in the Bible and just because the vast majority of Christians reject it, does not mean it is not true.  Remember the Bible is the word of God and if you do not like Romans 2:28-29, then you are an apostate Christian who places their trust in prophecy books which endorse the ungodly political philosophy of Zionism and you will never come to truth as long as you are under their hypnotic Zionist trance.  In other words, those who claim to be physical Jews should not be in the exalted position the churches have placed them in.  Many churches are guilty of idolatry!

Promise

And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live. (Deuteronomy 30:6)

Fulfilled

For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. (Philippians 3:3)

Promise

14 And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward: 15 For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever. (Genesis 13:14-15)

Fulfilled

44 And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand. 45 There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass. (Joshua 21:44-45)



 

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Re: Anti-Semitic? Who are the Semites?
« Reply #1 on: Fri May 13, 2022 - 07:04:23 »
Dr. Ken Matto makes some quite blatant errors in this "article."

DNA testing has shown most modern day Israeli Jews are Semites.

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Re: Anti-Semitic? Who are the Semites?
« Reply #2 on: Fri May 13, 2022 - 07:23:11 »
Also Palestinians are Semites. Has nothing to do with just being Jewish.

Also, I have read historians that say the term Christians was used as a scorn, such as Those…. Those… CHRISTIANS. The name stuck of course. I bave no issue with the term Messianics since Christ was the the Greek term for Messiah or announted one. Of course not Jesus’s name.

And Jesus didn’t answer to the English name Jesus.

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Re: Anti-Semitic? Who are the Semites?
« Reply #3 on: Fri May 13, 2022 - 07:27:37 »
This Matto guy apparently thinks all Jews in Israel are Ashkenazi. 

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Re: Anti-Semitic? Who are the Semites?
« Reply #4 on: Fri May 13, 2022 - 07:30:46 »
The church isn't Israel, we Gentiles were grafted in.  Matto has apparently never read Romans 11 either.


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Re: Anti-Semitic? Who are the Semites?
« Reply #5 on: Fri May 13, 2022 - 07:38:22 »
Yeah Romans 9-11 was literally a parenthetical group of passages in my congregation growing up, much to my bewilderment. We used to study Romans but mysteriously either glazed over those three chapters or skipped them altogether. The Gentile believers were grafted ON and the Jewish belivers in Christ were grafted BACK ON after having previously been broken off.
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Re: Anti-Semitic? Who are the Semites?
« Reply #6 on: Fri May 13, 2022 - 07:42:05 »
The Ashkenazi were the fake Jews that were expelled from Israel, then to Russia to the region of Khazaria. They were given the option by the Russians to become either Muslem, Christian or Jews. They chose The Jewish religion sort of. Never very devout at all.
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Re: Anti-Semitic? Who are the Semites?
« Reply #7 on: Fri May 13, 2022 - 07:43:35 »
The Ashkenazi were the fake Jews that were expelled to the region of Khazaria.

The paternal line DNA of most Ashkenazi is Semitic

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Re: Anti-Semitic? Who are the Semites?
« Reply #8 on: Fri May 13, 2022 - 07:51:57 »
https://www.jewworldorder.org/kingdom-khazars-jews/

Ironically The region of the Khazars is includes present day Ukraine. Also known as the lands of Gog and Magog. Where some say Nazi’s still thrive AshkeNAZI in secret.

I read somewhere a while back that Hitler was the illegitimate son of a Khazar who raped his mother. I’ll try to find it.
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Re: Anti-Semitic? Who are the Semites?
« Reply #9 on: Fri May 13, 2022 - 09:27:03 »
Also Palestinians are Semites. Has nothing to do with just being Jewish.
As are ALL of the Arabs.(sons of Ishmael)  And the Bedouins. (sons of Esau)

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Re: Anti-Semitic? Who are the Semites?
« Reply #10 on: Fri May 13, 2022 - 09:28:39 »
This Matto guy apparently thinks all Jews in Israel are Ashkenazi.
Only about half.  The rest are Sephardic.

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Re: Anti-Semitic? Who are the Semites?
« Reply #11 on: Fri May 13, 2022 - 09:30:51 »
https://www.jewworldorder.org/kingdom-khazars-jews/
Ironically The region of the Khazars is includes present day Ukraine.
According to some archeologists and those who study ancient migration patterns, the Khazar region also housed many from the Northern Kingdom after Assyria carried them off.

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Re: Anti-Semitic? Who are the Semites?
« Reply #12 on: Fri May 13, 2022 - 16:23:33 »
Interesting video about the history of the Khazars.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/BRizDPuLs8c4/


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Re: Anti-Semitic? Who are the Semites?
« Reply #13 on: Fri May 13, 2022 - 17:17:20 »
So if you are accused of Anti-Semitism then force that person to prove they are Semitic in lineage.
"Yeah!  I'm not anti-Semitic!  I only hate Jews!"  ::aloneinclearlogic::

I'm sure that argument will get you places.   rofl

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Re: Anti-Semitic? Who are the Semites?
« Reply #14 on: Sat May 14, 2022 - 05:23:36 »
Dr. Ken Matto makes some quite blatant errors in this "article."

DNA testing has shown most modern day Israeli Jews are Semites.


DNA testing is mostly done from Israel, or at least through them, or, they own the company doing the testing~so, what would you expect them to say.

Now, do I believe there are "fleshly" descendants of Abraham left in this world? Yes, of course, but not all that call themselves Jews are from the lineage of Abraham. Even in the New Testament, there were several who knew precisely what tribe they were from, Paul, being one of them. So I disagree with men who teach there are no true fleshly descendants of Abraham left in this world.

The article overall I agree with Mr. Matto, who just died a couple of months ago, but we do not have to agree with every point to agree overall.

I'll comment more as time permits in the next day or so. One quick note:

There is NO PROMISE made to fleshly Israel outside of this present dispensation, and there are not TWO different groups of children of God, but ONE FOLD consisting of Jews and Gentiles. Gentile believers are children of Abraham, as Jewish believers, fleshly Jews are not children of God, just because they can trace their genealogy back to Abraham~but only those who are children of God's promises IN CHRIST are TRUE JEWS and the Israel of God~be they Jews or Gentiles.  More later....RB
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Re: Anti-Semitic? Who are the Semites?
« Reply #15 on: Mon May 16, 2022 - 09:59:52 »
"Yeah!  I'm not anti-Semitic!  I only hate Jews!"  ::aloneinclearlogic::
I have heard Anti Jewish anti Israeli Arabs who are fundy Islamics described as "antisemitic."

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Re: Anti-Semitic? Who are the Semites?
« Reply #16 on: Mon May 16, 2022 - 23:11:56 »
According to some archeologists and those who study ancient migration patterns, the Khazar region also housed many from the Northern Kingdom after Assyria carried them off.
Not very good archaeologists, then.  The capture of Samaria is commemorated on a Stele which tells exactly how many people were deported (a little under 29K) and where they were sent (Media/Persia).


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Re: Anti-Semitic? Who are the Semites?
« Reply #17 on: Wed Aug 31, 2022 - 03:54:13 »
Just another version of Replacement Theology.  The Church does not replace the nation, or people of Israel.  The Jews are God's chosen people.  Always have been, always will be.  Someone espousing Replacement Theology has no effect on that biblical truth.  The Church, Gentiles, whatever you chose to call it are grafted into Israel.  They do not replace it.  Paul is abundantly clear on this, as others have pointed out.  A time is coming when the Church will be rendered so ineffective, or removed completely from the scenario that Israel, as a people will again become the main spreader of Christ's Gospel on the Earth.

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Re: Anti-Semitic? Who are the Semites?
« Reply #18 on: Wed Aug 31, 2022 - 05:08:19 »
Not very good archaeologists, then.  The capture of Samaria is commemorated on a Stele which tells exactly how many people were deported (a little under 29K) and where they were sent (Media/Persia).
Yes, but they followed them after that. 

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« Reply #19 on: Wed Aug 31, 2022 - 05:10:53 »
Just another version of Replacement Theology.  The Church does not replace the nation, or people of Israel.  The Jews are God's chosen people.  Always have been, always will be.  Someone espousing Replacement Theology has no effect on that biblical truth.  The Church, Gentiles, whatever you chose to call it are grafted into Israel.  They do not replace it.  Paul is abundantly clear on this, as others have pointed out.  A time is coming when the Church will be rendered so ineffective, or removed completely from the scenario that Israel, as a people will again become the main spreader of Christ's Gospel on the Earth.
If you want to go with replacement theology, then become islamic. Islam claims to be the successor to Christianity after it failed in the first centuries.

The Jews failed and God moved on to the Christians.  Christians failed so He moved on to the Islamics.

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Re: Anti-Semitic? Who are the Semites?
« Reply #20 on: Wed Aug 31, 2022 - 05:25:13 »
Just another version of Replacement Theology.
You and others call it a Replacement Theology~yet it is not so, just because folks like you, believe the fleshly seed of Abraham is exalted above all nations on the earth when it is not so, so you call those who hold the doctrine that only the children of God's promises are the true Israelites of the scriptures, who are indeed the chosen seed given to Jesus Christ to redeem, who are known by their FAITH, not heir birth nation...preaching a replacement theology. These scriptures mean little to folks who do not accept God's testimony concerning who are true biblical Israelites and to who are all of the promises made. 
Quote from: Paul a Jews by nature
Romans 2:28,29~"For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God."
Romans 9; etc. which we will consider later.
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The Church does not replace the nation, or people of Israel
Replace? God's plan from the beginning, was first used fleshly Israel to put his name among, but only to prove a biblical truth, that salvation is purely through God's mercy, not through bloodline, the will of the flesh, or the will of man, but by God's mercy and will only.
Quote from: Paul a Jew by nature
Romans 11:30-36~"For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor? Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen."
Briefly, God's purpose was to first call his people from a single nation (overall, with a few exceptions)  and set up his worship among them, yet we know from the word of God, that all where not his people among them, only the children of his promises per Romans 9~the least people God at any time reserved among them by God, the more they were given over to go after other gods, until God revealed more of his plan to us, by leaving that nation and turning to the Gentiles and doing with them as he had done with Abraham's fleshly seed~the Gentiles today are no more special than the fleshly seed of Abraham, for neither are God promises children per se, only children of God among each were the children of his promises. In God's infinite knowledge this is the plan he designed to prove that salvation from sin and condemnation is ALL OF GRACE, not by bloodline, or the will of man, nor the will of the flesh! So much more could be added, but I'm short on time already.
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The Jews are God's chosen people
Not according to Paul who was a Jews by nature, and he certainly was not Anti-semitic, but PRO scriptures.
Quote from: Paul a Jew by nature
Romans 9:6-8~"Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed."
That's the truth of the word of God, our duty is to prove it with all scriptures, and we can.
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Always have been, always will be.
Sir, you saying that does not make it so, for your words are going against plain scriptures, and this should concern you.
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Someone espousing Replacement Theology has no effect on that biblical truth
Again, your words mean nothing since you cannot prove your position with scriptures and so far have not even attempted to do so.  ::pondering::
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The Church, Gentiles, whatever you chose to call it are grafted into Israel
We were indeed grafted into the children of God's promises which in the OT was strictly among Abraham's fleshly seed, but only the children of God's promises AMONG THEM, like Issac being the example of God's promises.
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They do not replace it.  Paul is abundantly clear on this, as others have pointed out.
Where, show me proof. The kingdom was taken from the NATION of the Jews and given to the elect among the nations of the Gentiles, and soon shall be taken from them, (Gentiles) or, actually has already they just do not know it.
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A time is coming when the Church will be rendered so ineffective, or removed completely from the scenario that Israel, as a people will again become the main spreader of Christ's Gospel on the Earth.
That will never happen~this world will soon end with the coming of Jesus Christ~there is no time after the times of Christ, which will end at his coming. There are NO PROMISES of the fleshly seed of Abraham spreading the word of God......they do not even believe in Jesus Christ, besides, the NT is clear concerning how this world will end and there are no promises concerning the fleshly seed of Abraham above other nations of the world~they are just as steep in unbelief as any other nation~folks like you are giving them a false hope that will never come to pass! 
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Re: Anti-Semitic? Who are the Semites?
« Reply #21 on: Wed Aug 31, 2022 - 12:00:57 »
Yes, but they followed them after that.
Who followed them?  Not the rest of the Israelites.  The Assyrians killed the ones in Israel.  Some fled to surrounding regions, but these all lost their separate cultural identity.

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Re: Anti-Semitic? Who are the Semites?
« Reply #22 on: Wed Aug 31, 2022 - 18:17:19 »
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If you want to go with replacement theology, then become islamic. Islam claims to be the successor to Christianity after it failed in the first centuries.

The Jews failed and God moved on to the Christians.  Christians failed so He moved on to the Islamics.

In regards to Replacement Theology, your post makes absolutely no sense in it's present form.

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Re: Anti-Semitic? Who are the Semites?
« Reply #23 on: Thu Sep 01, 2022 - 07:26:07 »
Who followed them?  Not the rest of the Israelites.  The Assyrians killed the ones in Israel.  Some fled to surrounding regions, but these all lost their separate cultural identity.
Tell that to the Sons of Ephraim that ended up in eastern India. They actually wanted to break away and form a separate Jewish state, but they were too small to do that.

https://kulanu.org/communities/india/bene-ephraim-andhra-pradesh-india/

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Re: Anti-Semitic? Who are the Semites?
« Reply #24 on: Thu Sep 01, 2022 - 12:36:11 »
Tell that to the Sons of Ephraim that ended up in eastern India. They actually wanted to break away and form a separate Jewish state, but they were too small to do that.

https://kulanu.org/communities/india/bene-ephraim-andhra-pradesh-india/
Nah I'm telling you.  The book of Ezekiel says that Israel is dead - dry bones.  In the New Testament, Jesus treats Israel as dead, saying that they are in need of resurrection.  The resurrection is accomplished by adding the "lost" sheep in the surrounding nations to Israel, through adoption.

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Re: Anti-Semitic? Who are the Semites?
« Reply #25 on: Wed Sep 07, 2022 - 05:29:30 »
Nah I'm telling you.  The book of Ezekiel says that Israel is dead - dry bones.  In the New Testament, Jesus treats Israel as dead, saying that they are in need of resurrection.  The resurrection is accomplished by adding the "lost" sheep in the surrounding nations to Israel, through adoption.
That is one interpretation.  I recently came across another (Contested Ownership of Israel, Sonia Waters 2020) where it was put forth that the mighty army of dry bones was the 6 million Jews killed in WW2 by the Nazis who will rise up as an end time army. 

Not saying I believe that, but it is an interesting idea. 

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Re: Anti-Semitic? Who are the Semites?
« Reply #26 on: Wed Sep 07, 2022 - 11:00:24 »
That is one interpretation.  I recently came across another (Contested Ownership of Israel, Sonia Waters 2020) where it was put forth that the mighty army of dry bones was the 6 million Jews killed in WW2 by the Nazis who will rise up as an end time army. 

Not saying I believe that, but it is an interesting idea.
Prophecies can have multiple fulfillments.  I am skeptical of this one because my eschatology doesn't include an event like that.

When the New Testament gives us its interpretation of the Old Testament, I tend to prefer that interpretation to others.

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