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Parable of the Wheat and Tares
« on: Thu Nov 26, 2009 - 20:49:52 »
In the following parable, which is gathered first the righteous or the unrighteous?

Mat 13:24  He put another parable before them, saying, "The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field,
Mat 13:25  but while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat and went away.
Mat 13:26  So when the plants came up and bore grain, then the weeds appeared also.
Mat 13:27  And the servants of the master of the house came and said to him, 'Master, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have weeds?'
Mat 13:28  He said to them, 'An enemy has done this.' So the servants said to him, 'Then do you want us to go and gather them?'
Mat 13:29  But he said, 'No, lest in gathering the weeds you root up the wheat along with them.
Mat 13:30  Let both grow together until the harvest, and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, Gather the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my barn.'"


In other words if two men are walking and one is taken and the other is left behind, which one is taken according to the Parable of the Wheat and Tares?

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Re: Parable of the Wheat and Tares
« Reply #1 on: Thu Nov 26, 2009 - 21:25:06 »
The weeds go first.

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Re: Parable of the Wheat and Tares
« Reply #2 on: Thu Nov 26, 2009 - 21:27:31 »
In the following parable, which is gathered first the righteous or the unrighteous?

Mat 13:24  He put another parable before them, saying, "The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field,
Mat 13:25  but while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat and went away.
Mat 13:26  So when the plants came up and bore grain, then the weeds appeared also.
Mat 13:27  And the servants of the master of the house came and said to him, 'Master, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have weeds?'
Mat 13:28  He said to them, 'An enemy has done this.' So the servants said to him, 'Then do you want us to go and gather them?'
Mat 13:29  But he said, 'No, lest in gathering the weeds you root up the wheat along with them.
Mat 13:30  Let both grow together until the harvest, and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, Gather the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my barn.'"


In other words if two men are walking and one is taken and the other is left behind, which one is taken according to the Parable of the Wheat and Tares?


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Re: Parable of the Wheat and Tares
« Reply #3 on: Thu Nov 26, 2009 - 21:58:54 »
The gathering of the wheat and tares occurs when the present age ends with the return of Christ to establish his kingdom.

Mt 13:39 NIV
And the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age and the harvesters are angels.

The weeds sown by the devil experience the same fate as the “goats

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Re: Parable of the Wheat and Tares
« Reply #4 on: Thu Nov 26, 2009 - 22:14:01 »
It can't be both ways. The unrighteous are "taken" first, period according to the parable. The righteous and unrighteous grow up together, and at the harvest or rapture, the UNRIGHTEOUS are taken first.

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Re: Parable of the Wheat and Tares
« Reply #5 on: Thu Nov 26, 2009 - 22:41:59 »
Jesus did not instruct his disciples or anyone else as to the nature of the church or the rapture or its destiny.  The only thing he said was, “I will build my church,

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« Reply #6 on: Thu Nov 26, 2009 - 22:53:45 »
Jesus did not instruct his disciples or anyone else as to the nature of the church or the rapture or its destiny.  The only thing he said was, “I will build my church,” which began at Pentecost after he ascended to the Father. The church is not in the context of the three gospels, it did not exist when Jesus walked the earth.

Everything about the corporate church was given to us in Paul’s letters to various churches. He is the authority on the church and the one we should consult, not Jesus. He writes in 1 Thess  5 that only the righteous in Christ are taken off the earth leaving behind the unrighteous.  T

If all the righteous people were taken at the end of the age there would not be any righteous people left to enter the kingdom.

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Your comment about Paul reminds me of what I used to claim about many of ourselves: that we really are Paulians and not Christians.  I was trying to counter what you so directly stated.  We may not agree that seeking Paul supercedes seeking Jesus in that sense.  But in practice we often do that anyway.

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« Reply #7 on: Fri Nov 27, 2009 - 07:57:08 »
In the following parable, which is gathered first the righteous or the unrighteous?

Mat 13:24  He put another parable before them, saying, "The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field,
Mat 13:25  but while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat and went away.
Mat 13:26  So when the plants came up and bore grain, then the weeds appeared also.
Mat 13:27  And the servants of the master of the house came and said to him, 'Master, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have weeds?'
Mat 13:28  He said to them, 'An enemy has done this.' So the servants said to him, 'Then do you want us to go and gather them?'
Mat 13:29  But he said, 'No, lest in gathering the weeds you root up the wheat along with them.
Mat 13:30  Let both grow together until the harvest, and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, Gather the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my barn.'"


In other words if two men are walking and one is taken and the other is left behind, which one is taken according to the Parable of the Wheat and Tares?


Hi jaime,

What Jesus says here matches what was revealed to John.  In the book of Revelation, John tells us about 7 seal judgments. The Lamb (Jesus) breaks seven seals on a scroll (Rev 6). When the seventh seal is broken, seven angels are given seven trumpets (Rev 8:1-2). Let's take a look at what happens when the seventh angel sounds the seventh trumpet (Rev 11:15-18):

"The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:
   "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ,
       and he will reign for ever and ever." And the twenty-four elders, who were seated on their thrones before God, fell on their faces and worshiped God, saying:
   "We give thanks to you, Lord God Almighty,
       the One who is and who was,
   because you have taken your great power
       and have begun to reign.
   The nations were angry; and your wrath has come.
   The time has come for judging the dead,
       and for rewarding your servants the prophets
   and your saints and those who reverence your name,

       both small and great--
   and for destroying those who destroy the earth."

The last trumpet marks a transition. From this passage, we can see a few things:
The triumph of Christ's Kingdom is announced
God's people will be rewarded
God's enemies will be destroyed

The triumph of Christ's Kingdom is announced. This is the point where He is going to reclaim His people. While the passage does not say that specifically, we can see more detail about numbers 2 and 3 where John talks about a 'harvest' in chapter 14:

"I looked, and there before me was a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was one "like a son of man" with a crown of gold on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand. Then another angel came out of the temple and called in a loud voice to him who was sitting on the cloud, "Take your sickle and reap, because the time to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is ripe." So he who was seated on the cloud swung his sickle over the earth, and the earth was harvested." (v14-16)

"Another angel came out of the temple in heaven, and he too had a sharp sickle. Still another angel, who had charge of the fire, came from the altar and called in a loud voice to him who had the sharp sickle, "Take your sharp sickle and gather the clusters of grapes from the earth's vine, because its grapes are ripe." The angel swung his sickle on the earth, gathered its grapes and threw them into the great winepress of God's wrath. They were trampled in the winepress outside the city, and blood flowed out of the press, rising as high as the horses' bridles for a distance of 1,600 stadia." (v 17-20)

Clearly Jesus and His angels are claiming His people and preparing the Earth for God's Wrath. This is important for two reasons: 1) It matches what was sung about at the Last Trumpet and 2) It shows God is redeeming His people before He pours His wrath upon the Earth.

That being said, it looks like the righteous were taken because the unrightesous are suffering Gods' wrath.

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Re: Parable of the Wheat and Tares
« Reply #8 on: Fri Nov 27, 2009 - 09:53:22 »
Howso Bond? The passage clearly says the Tares are Gathered up first and burned up.

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« Reply #9 on: Fri Nov 27, 2009 - 10:06:26 »
According to Noah, as per Christ's teaching, what order did it happen in?  The wicked were punished, and the righteous were greatly affected by that, going through it until all was destroyed but the righteous.  At least this is what Christ compared it to.

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Re: Parable of the Wheat and Tares
« Reply #10 on: Fri Nov 27, 2009 - 10:15:11 »
Howso Bond? The passage clearly says the Tares are Gathered up first and burned up.

Well, if the unrighteous are taken first, who is left to suffer God's wrath?

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Re: Parable of the Wheat and Tares
« Reply #11 on: Fri Nov 27, 2009 - 10:26:34 »
Howso Bond? The passage clearly says the Tares are Gathered up first and burned up.

Well, if the unrighteous are taken first, who is left to suffer God's wrath?

Bond

Post-trib pre-mill is what I lean towards.  It is also classical pre-mill, which is a view that has been around since the beginning of Christianity.  Pre-trib was not a large belief until Darby.

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« Reply #12 on: Fri Nov 27, 2009 - 10:46:52 »
I don't believe in pre-trib, either.

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Re: Parable of the Wheat and Tares
« Reply #13 on: Fri Nov 27, 2009 - 11:15:35 »
Bond I assume the burning up of the tares is God's wrath, no?

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« Reply #14 on: Fri Nov 27, 2009 - 12:00:47 »
Bond I assume the burning up of the tares is God's wrath, no?

I assume the same...at least part of it.  The bowls of wrath are poured out on them first, right?

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Re: Parable of the Wheat and Tares
« Reply #15 on: Fri Nov 27, 2009 - 13:03:40 »
I have no idea. I just know in the parable, the unrighteous are "taken" first and burned up before the righteous are "taken".

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Re: Parable of the Wheat and Tares
« Reply #16 on: Fri Nov 27, 2009 - 13:05:50 »
The implication of this parable seems to be that the righteous and unrighteous exist together and then the unrighteous are gathered first and burned up, apparently contrary to the "left behind" doctrine.

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« Reply #17 on: Fri Nov 27, 2009 - 15:03:02 »
jaime,

What if that passage does not apply to the rapture, but rather after the millenium?  When the 1000 years are over, Saten will be let loose to deceive the nations, maybe the unrighteous will be taken then?

The rightesous are left behind to be with Christ?

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