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Preterism! I Can't Believe It
« on: Wed Dec 30, 2009 - 22:47:29 »
Todd Strandberg
 
 

One of my key reasons for believing in the pre-tribulation rapture is the fact all other views are always trying to undermine pre-tribulationism. Up until now, the most vocal group of opponents has been the post-trib and pre-wrath folks. I'm amazed to find preterism now on the attack, gaining ground by mostly converting pre-tribbers.

http://www.raptureready.com/rr-preterism.html


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Preterism! I Can't Believe It
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« Reply #1 on: Wed Dec 30, 2009 - 22:50:10 »
Please do not take offense stucky, but that statement is patently false.  Pre-trib is the newest theory out there, so it is really just the opposite.  Pre-trib is trying to undermine everybody else.

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« Reply #2 on: Wed Dec 30, 2009 - 22:59:30 »
Please do not take offense stucky, but that statement is patently false.  Pre-trib is the newest theory out there, so it is really just the opposite.  Pre-trib is trying to undermine everybody else.

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None taken Bond,

You have a right to your opinion.  What I have noticed in my studies and fellowship is that the preterists are always screaming mad when pre-tribbers and dispensationalists are around.  Most of the vehement arguments are started by them not the pre-tribbers.  Pre-tribbers state their views and then preterists rant and rave about how "stupid" and "satanic" we are.  A prime example is a young lady on here (whose name I won't mention  ::whistle::) that I admire greatly.

This is going to anger you and I don't mean to, but, I liken preterists to atheists in their reaction to Christians.  Atheists get all riled up and hateful when they talk to a Christian and preterists have always seemed to do the same.  Please know although I disagree with you that I still love you.

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« Reply #3 on: Wed Dec 30, 2009 - 23:50:19 »
no sweat stucky, I have been called both a preterist and a futurist when I am neither.

I am secure in my beliefs, but more importantly, I am secure in my savior, just as you are.   ::cool::

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Pinterest: GraceCentered.com

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« Reply #4 on: Thu Dec 31, 2009 - 00:07:19 »
no sweat stucky, I have been called both a preterist and a futurist when I am neither.

I am secure in my beliefs, but more importantly, I am secure in my savior, just as you are.   ::cool::

Bond

That was nice, thanks Bond

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« Reply #5 on: Thu Dec 31, 2009 - 02:45:08 »
Stucky, we already know that you won't believe it.  Did we really need a thread in order to accept this about you?    ::noworries:: ::doh:: ::destroyingcomputer:: rofl ::eatingpopcorn:

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« Reply #6 on: Thu Dec 31, 2009 - 02:53:55 »
Stucky, we already know that you won't believe it.  Did we really need a thread in order to accept this about you?    ::noworries:: ::doh:: ::destroyingcomputer:: rofl ::eatingpopcorn:

 ::flaming:: I was trying to get Rezar started  ::arguing::

She's my  ::girl:: and I have a lot of fun when she has a  ::fit::

It's fun to  ::smacking:: with a  :chick:

son of God

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« Reply #7 on: Thu Dec 31, 2009 - 03:04:22 »
You're probably pretty good at texting, too!   rofl

Stucky

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« Reply #8 on: Thu Dec 31, 2009 - 03:07:30 »
You're probably pretty good at texting, too!   rofl

Naw, I wouldn't even try texting.  I can barely text on a computer.

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« Reply #9 on: Thu Dec 31, 2009 - 07:40:14 »
Stucky ,Preterism is just another twisted theology.. no more no less.

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« Reply #10 on: Thu Dec 31, 2009 - 08:57:50 »
The question is which belief has the most historical support of the original apostles.

The answer would be neither... the original apostles did not seem to be so fixated on the 'end times' and trying to make sense of revelation like seems to be the central focus of so many fundamental churches these days.

Justin Martyr and Iraneus seem to have been pre-mil.. but they certainly were not dispensationalists..   It wasn't until centuries after that people seemed to get fascinated enough to start writing opinions about things.

So they question is whether or not you are willing to believe something so much that you are willing to let it shape your entire world view and christianity.. which is something dispensationalism seems to do with a lot of people.

I tend to be preterist, but would not be concerned if a 'rapture' did occur... God is going to do what he is going to do and I have faith that what he is going to do is the best for us.

My main problems with dispensationalists right now are in how their radical beliefs have affect world politics and politics in America very negatively.  They seem so bent on 'helping' their take on the 'end times' that they care little for the Palestinians or the Jews that die ever day because of their unflinching support.  They also care less how they are radicalizing America.

If you really cared about the Jews... Palestine and Israel would be the most heavily evangelized area on earth... instead we just like to go on Holy Land Tours and could care less about their souls.

Then you have things like the red heifer program and the extreme rabbi support that want the Dome of the Rock destroyed and the temple rebuild ASAP to try and hasten the return of the Lord in their minds.

As you can see, my problem is with the fruit of radical dispensationalists.. and like radical islamists.. the conservative dispensationalists do nothing to reign them in or are afraid to even criticize them.

So the question is.. are you going to go about the Lord's Business or go out on a wild goose chase of your own making... because in the end only one thing is going to matter.. How you serve and believe in Jesus.

Here are a couple of interesting links.

http://www.arksearch.com/naredhef.htm

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4531.htm

Think about it.. is all the time spent posting about dispenationalism or being ingrained with it every week in your church with colorful charts and more talk of gloom and doom edifying?... does it mobilize you to want to reach the world with the Gospel or does it make you content to sit in your home and watch world events just go by and hopefully the Lord will come quickly so you won't have to get excused for sitting on your bum instead of working for Christ?

I have seen the fruit and it is rotten to the core.. and that is what horrifies me to no end.. people that would call themselves my brothers but care naught for the lost or human suffering... which directly violates Jesus commands to us.

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« Reply #11 on: Thu Dec 31, 2009 - 11:57:59 »
Lu 12:45 But if that servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and the maidservants, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
Lu 12:46 the lord of that servant shall come in a day when he expecteth not, and in an hour when he knoweth not, and shall cut him asunder, and appoint his portion with the unfaithful.
Lu 12:47 And that servant, who knew his lord`s will, and made not ready, nor did according to his will, shall be beaten with many [stripes];
Lu 12:48 but he that knew not, and did things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few [stripes]. And to whomsoever much is given, of him shall much be required: and to whom they commit much, of him will they ask the more.

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« Reply #12 on: Fri Jan 01, 2010 - 10:03:13 »
Lu 12:45 But if that servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and the maidservants, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
Lu 12:46 the lord of that servant shall come in a day when he expecteth not, and in an hour when he knoweth not, and shall cut him asunder, and appoint his portion with the unfaithful.
Lu 12:47 And that servant, who knew his lord`s will, and made not ready, nor did according to his will, shall be beaten with many [stripes];
Lu 12:48 but he that knew not, and did things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few [stripes]. And to whomsoever much is given, of him shall much be required: and to whom they commit much, of him will they ask the more.

Jesus is speaking in terms of the 1st century AD when there were "masters" & "maidservants" as in the parable. The parable only appeals to our (us today) conscience in the plenary sense.
Why would Jesus tell the apostles to watch & pray? For something that would take place ages upon ages later?
Futurists have absolutely no supporting logical, exegetical force for their argument.



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« Reply #13 on: Sat Jan 02, 2010 - 00:55:52 »
I do not believe that God and The Holy Spirit did not write anything for us.
 You might as well kill yourself since it is all said and done, nothing to look forward to and every word of the scriptures was for those at the time of christ.

Let's see, I have some dens of vipers down here, come on down since all is fulfilled then so is this.

Isa 11:6 And the wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
Isa 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together; and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
Isa 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the adder`s den.

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« Reply #14 on: Sat Jan 02, 2010 - 09:25:10 »
I do not believe that God and The Holy Spirit did not write anything for us.
 You might as well kill yourself since it is all said and done, nothing to look forward to and every word of the scriptures was for those at the time of christ.

Let's see, I have some dens of vipers down here, come on down since all is fulfilled then so is this.

Isa 11:6 And the wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
Isa 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together; and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
Isa 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the adder`s den.


There is a lot more of course to an answer here but here is a Q from a preterist site. And btw, you do know that Isaiah 11 above is speaking in metaphoric terms of what "peace" is like, don't you?  It is not strictly literal. That's a mistake.

Even if Preterism is true, what difference does it make anyways?

Answer: The apparent failure of these prophesies to come true has led to skepticism about the reliability of the Bible and the deity of Christ. Preterism solves this problem by maintaining that these prophecies did, in fact, have a first century fulfillment. If Preterist eschatology is true, then Christians can offer a much more positive perspective to the world, rather than a fatalistic end of the world where our actions make no difference. If we are confident as Christians that we can positively influence the world around us, we can perhaps motivate believers to actively be involved in helping the poor, caring for the environment, actively participate in politics and preserving the world for all future generations. Preterism offers hope and maintains the integrity of the Scripture and of the entire Christian faith while it defends it against other religions and Christian cults that place the Second Coming of Jesus after A.D. 70.