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You know it is scary enough that there are people on this earth who, contrary to all evidence, throw their head against the wind and make outlandish claims that the earth is flat.

I guess the same thing could be said about those who deny Evolution.

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/philosop/denial.htm

Science denial.

Every advance in scientific understanding experiences some resistance. Of course one expects a new idea in science to be skeptically received by scientists until it has been thoroughly tested and found to be valid. That's a necessary part of the scientific process. Scientific opponents are finally won over by experimental confirmation. But in most every case there are non-scientists who refuse to be so easily convinced, and spend great effort to discredit and deny the new science. Examples are abundant in history:

    ∙ The theory of gravitation was opposed by 17th century flat-earthers and also by hollow-earthers. Such alternative views are still held by some people today.
    ∙ The laws of thermodnamics are not accepted by those who believe that it's possible to make perpetual motion machines, and even machines that put out more work than required to run them.
    ∙ Many individuals flatly reject the theory of relativity, and some try valiantly to construct alternative theories. To my knowledge none of these people have formed an organized opposition.
      Likewise there are individuals who reject quantum mechanics. They are even less unified—mostly lone individuals self-publishing books that attract very few readers.
    ∙ The cosmological picture of the evolution of the universe from the time of the "big bang" is strongly opposed by many, usually on religious grounds.
    ∙ The theory of evolution has had opposition since the time of Darwin, and in recent decades several religiously motivated groups are waging a war against what they see as the materialism of science.
    ∙ Creationists   and proponents of intelligent design theory are foremost among these, but not the only ones.
    ∙ Outside of the natural sciences are those who deny historical events. Examples include holocaust deniers and those who contend that Shakespeare did not write the works attributed to him.

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You know it is scary enough that there are people on this earth who, contrary to all evidence, throw their head against the wind and make outlandish claims that the earth is flat.

I guess the same thing could be said about those who deny Evolution.

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/philosop/denial.htm

Science denial.

Every advance in scientific understanding experiences some resistance. Of course one expects a new idea in science to be skeptically received by scientists until it has been thoroughly tested and found to be valid. That's a necessary part of the scientific process. Scientific opponents are finally won over by experimental confirmation. But in most every case there are non-scientists who refuse to be so easily convinced, and spend great effort to discredit and deny the new science. Examples are abundant in history:

    ∙ The theory of gravitation was opposed by 17th century flat-earthers and also by hollow-earthers. Such alternative views are still held by some people today.
    ∙ The laws of thermodnamics are not accepted by those who believe that it's possible to make perpetual motion machines, and even machines that put out more work than required to run them.
    ∙ Many individuals flatly reject the theory of relativity, and some try valiantly to construct alternative theories. To my knowledge none of these people have formed an organized opposition.
      Likewise there are individuals who reject quantum mechanics. They are even less unified—mostly lone individuals self-publishing books that attract very few readers.
    ∙ The cosmological picture of the evolution of the universe from the time of the "big bang" is strongly opposed by many, usually on religious grounds.
    ∙ The theory of evolution has had opposition since the time of Darwin, and in recent decades several religiously motivated groups are waging a war against what they see as the materialism of science.
    ∙ Creationists   and proponents of intelligent design theory are foremost among these, but not the only ones.
    ∙ Outside of the natural sciences are those who deny historical events. Examples include holocaust deniers and those who contend that Shakespeare did not write the works attributed to him.


Not the same thing.  We don't need another Eden.  The Earth being spherical is science fact.  It can be proven repeatedly.  Evolution is a theory.

Nice try though.  I will give you a "B" for effort.

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Victor8, that's my category. I'm one of those who believe evolution is one of the greatest false conspiracy theories known to mankind. That & the global warming conspiracy.

But I also hold to the heliocentric view.

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Not the same thing.  We don't need another Eden.  The Earth being spherical is science fact.  It can be proven repeatedly.  Evolution is a theory.

Nice try though.  I will give you a "B" for effort.
Couldn't resist. ::smile:: I am no Eden.
Evolution is more than just a theory.

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Not the same thing.  We don't need another Eden.  The Earth being spherical is science fact.  It can be proven repeatedly.  Evolution is a theory.

Nice try though.  I will give you a "B" for effort.
Couldn't resist. ::smile:: I am no Eden.
Evolution is more than just a theory.

No, it is not.  I have a background in science.  It is a theory, the mathematical models are suspect.   A=A0*e^(-kt) describes the decay of an element and is the model used to find the C14 level for dating.  This methodology is then used for different elements for different supposed ages of things.  It is a house of cards.  It cannot be proven.

Other scientific theories while not completely proven, have practical uses and portions of the theory are repeatable, and applicable in every day life.

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Not the same thing.  We don't need another Eden.  The Earth being spherical is science fact.  It can be proven repeatedly.  Evolution is a theory.

Nice try though.  I will give you a "B" for effort.
Couldn't resist. ::smile:: I am no Eden.
Evolution is more than just a theory.

So it is law?

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Not the same thing.  We don't need another Eden.  The Earth being spherical is science fact.  It can be proven repeatedly.  Evolution is a theory.

Nice try though.  I will give you a "B" for effort.
Couldn't resist. ::smile:: I am no Eden.
Evolution is more than just a theory.

No, it is not.  I have a background in science.  It is a theory, the mathematical models are suspect.   A=A0*e^(-kt) describes the decay of an element and is the model used to find the C14 level for dating.  This methodology is then used for different elements for different supposed ages of things.  It is a house of cards.  It cannot be proven.

Other scientific theories while not completely proven, have practical uses and portions of the theory are repeatable, and applicable in every day life.

Regardless whether it is a theory or law...the creation-evolution discussion may be driven theologically but still takes place by addressing evidence brought forth by both parties.

The flat-earth discussion does not take place on a similar platform. Firstly because flat-earth believers fail to produce evidence for their position and secondly flat-earth believers do not address the evidence of the opposition, they simply deny it and dismiss it as being a conspiracy.

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Not the same thing.  We don't need another Eden.  The Earth being spherical is science fact.  It can be proven repeatedly.  Evolution is a theory.

Nice try though.  I will give you a "B" for effort.
Couldn't resist. ::smile:: I am no Eden.
Evolution is more than just a theory.

No, it is not.  I have a background in science.  It is a theory, the mathematical models are suspect.   A=A0*e^(-kt) describes the decay of an element and is the model used to find the C14 level for dating.  This methodology is then used for different elements for different supposed ages of things.  It is a house of cards.  It cannot be proven.

Other scientific theories while not completely proven, have practical uses and portions of the theory are repeatable, and applicable in every day life.

Regardless whether it is a theory or law...the creation-evolution discussion may be driven theologically but still takes place by addressing evidence brought forth by both parties.

The flat-earth discussion does not take place on a similar platform. Firstly because flat-earth believers fail to produce evidence for their position and secondly flat-earth believers do not address the evidence of the opposition, they simply deny it and dismiss it as being a conspiracy.

This is not at all true; I provided you with much information proving the earth is flat. Did you even watch the videos?

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I'm so confused...LOL

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The evolution/creationism debate will continue on and on, all of the way up to the day of Christ's return to earth, when He will clarify many topics that are disagreed upon by people. At that time, I am quite certain that Christ will shock the Creationist crowd.

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The evolution/creationism debate will continue on and on, all of the way up to the day of Christ's return to earth, when He will clarify many topics that are disagreed upon by people. At that time, I am quite certain that Christ will shock the Creationist crowd.

Evolution or not will be a non issue when Christ returns. His return will be proof positive of the truth of all scripture.

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The evolution/creationism debate will continue on and on, all of the way up to the day of Christ's return to earth, when He will clarify many topics that are disagreed upon by people. At that time, I am quite certain that Christ will shock the Creationist crowd.

Evolution or not will be a non issue when Christ returns. His return will be proof positive of the truth of all scripture.

I agree that when Christ returns, the truth of evolution vs. creationism will be very trivial as billions of people will likely panic when they realize that it is, indeed, Christ who has returned to a world very much like the one that we live into today, as most Christians are conditioned to be "tipped off" first by this Antichrist, Armageddon, etc. myth prior to His return.


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At that time, I am quite certain that Christ will shock the Creationist crowd.

Oh, so you think Jesus will say something like, "Whoops! That whole, 'God spoke and it was so' thing was supposed to be a joke. Didn't you get it?"? Or maybe, "You took that seriously? Well, who'da thought?"?

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Not the same thing.  We don't need another Eden.  The Earth being spherical is science fact.  It can be proven repeatedly.  Evolution is a theory.

Nice try though.  I will give you a "B" for effort.

Couldn't resist. ::smile:: I am no Eden.
Evolution is more than just a theory.

So it is law?

http://www.science20.com/between_death_and_data/should_evolution_be_law_rather_theory-109763

Should Evolution Be A Law Rather Than A Theory?
By Oliver Knevitt | April 23rd 2013 08:00 PM
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The precedent for this is, of course, the "theory of gravity", in which Newton's ideas of attraction were opposed both politically and by those with the religious conviction that it eliminated the hand of God -- they preferred the great, swirling ether of Descartes, which he claimed had been set in motion through divine action (this was all c. 1720-1745).  Newton's ideas won out, not merely because the science had proved it correct (the Geodesic Mission I mentioned was part of that), but because the political landscape changed -- and in part because scientists were by then using the phrase "law of gravity".

Today, we don't call it the "theory of gravity" -- we call it the "law of gravity" because it fits the facts as nothing else.  Evolution has long since been proven to fit the facts, so I argue that we need to start using the word "law" instead of "theory".  We also refer to various other theories as "laws" -- Newton's laws, Maxwell's laws, Ohm's law, etc.  so there is ample precedent for throwing away "theory" and replacing it with "law".   Yes, it may be scientifically proper to say "theory", but the political anti-science wing latches on to "theory" as the road to doubt, and politics trumps science every time.   

Yours,
Dr. Larrie D. Ferreiro
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At that time, I am quite certain that Christ will shock the Creationist crowd.

Oh, so you think Jesus will say something like, "Whoops! That whole, 'God spoke and it was so' thing was supposed to be a joke. Didn't you get it?"? Or maybe, "You took that seriously? Well, who'da thought?"?

Jesus knows that He is not responsible for the writings of the author of the Book of Genesis who simply recorded what was handed down, word of mouth, through many, many generations of Jewish people before it was recorded in the Book of Genesis.

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Not the same thing.  We don't need another Eden.  The Earth being spherical is science fact.  It can be proven repeatedly.  Evolution is a theory.

Nice try though.  I will give you a "B" for effort.

Couldn't resist. ::smile:: I am no Eden.
Evolution is more than just a theory.

So it is law?

http://www.science20.com/between_death_and_data/should_evolution_be_law_rather_theory-109763

Should Evolution Be A Law Rather Than A Theory?
By Oliver Knevitt | April 23rd 2013 08:00 PM
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The precedent for this is, of course, the "theory of gravity", in which Newton's ideas of attraction were opposed both politically and by those with the religious conviction that it eliminated the hand of God -- they preferred the great, swirling ether of Descartes, which he claimed had been set in motion through divine action (this was all c. 1720-1745).  Newton's ideas won out, not merely because the science had proved it correct (the Geodesic Mission I mentioned was part of that), but because the political landscape changed -- and in part because scientists were by then using the phrase "law of gravity".

Today, we don't call it the "theory of gravity" -- we call it the "law of gravity" because it fits the facts as nothing else.  Evolution has long since been proven to fit the facts, so I argue that we need to start using the word "law" instead of "theory".  We also refer to various other theories as "laws" -- Newton's laws, Maxwell's laws, Ohm's law, etc.  so there is ample precedent for throwing away "theory" and replacing it with "law".   Yes, it may be scientifically proper to say "theory", but the political anti-science wing latches on to "theory" as the road to doubt, and politics trumps science every time.   

Yours,
Dr. Larrie D. Ferreiro


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At that time, I am quite certain that Christ will shock the Creationist crowd.

Oh, so you think Jesus will say something like, "Whoops! That whole, 'God spoke and it was so' thing was supposed to be a joke. Didn't you get it?"? Or maybe, "You took that seriously? Well, who'da thought?"?

Jesus knows that He is not responsible for the writings of the author of the Book of Genesis who simply recorded what was handed down, word of mouth, through many, many generations of Jewish people before it was recorded in the Book of Genesis.


Ah, yes. Jesus knew the account of creation in Genesis was complete hogwash. That's why he said in Matthew 19:
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He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?
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And Jesus said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart he wrote you this commandment. But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.’

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At that time, I am quite certain that Christ will shock the Creationist crowd.

Oh, so you think Jesus will say something like, "Whoops! That whole, 'God spoke and it was so' thing was supposed to be a joke. Didn't you get it?"? Or maybe, "You took that seriously? Well, who'da thought?"?

Jesus knows that He is not responsible for the writings of the author of the Book of Genesis who simply recorded what was handed down, word of mouth, through many, many generations of Jewish people before it was recorded in the Book of Genesis.


Ah, yes. Jesus knew the account of creation in Genesis was complete hogwash. That's why he said in Matthew 19:
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He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?
And in Mark 10:
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And Jesus said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart he wrote you this commandment. But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.’

So what? I didn't say that God did not create man and woman. I'm just saying that the account in Genesis is woefully wrong and clearly fraught with errors.

It was when I learned as a teenager that men have XY chromosomes and women have XX chromosomes is when the "making Eve out of one of Adam's ribs" was clearly blown out of the water for me (and seemed ridiculous to me, anyway).

Yes, God clearly created all life on earth through theistic evolution.


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Did you read in your horoscooe that it would have been to hard for God to literally create Eve from Adam's rib?

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Did you read in your horoscooe that it would have been to hard for God to literally create Eve from Adam's rib?

T.C., you lost all credibility in my eyes long, long ago. I mean, after all, it does appear that you are from Texas.

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Oh no, not a Texaphobe! By the way TC is not from Texas. He is a "yankee" from Michigan. It's a long story on the reason he calls himself Texas Conservative. Mostly just to zing me, an actual Texan. I think he was attempting to zing you on your astronomy prophecies with his horoscope reference.


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Oh no, not a Texaphobe! By the way TC is not from Texas. He is a "yankee" from Michigan. It's a long story on the reason he calls himself Texas Conservative. Mostly just to zing me, an actual Texan. I think he was attempting to zing you on your astronomy prophecies with his horoscope reference.

Oh, Jaime, I've learned over 20 years ago not to be concerned with the opinions of non-astronomers. Jesus said as much in Luke 21:25a.

Here is my favorite story about a "Texan".

Here in Hannibal, MO, there is a beautiful park called Riverview Park which, appropriately enough, is located 300 feet high on a bluff that overlooks the Mississippi River in places. There is a tourist trolley that takes tourists through the park and one of their stops is at the Mark Twain statue from where one can see many miles across river bottomland into Illinois. On one particular day when I was at this spot when a trolley stopped, everyone got off of the trolley except a fairly big man from Texas (I would learned from talking to him), and as he looked over to his right at the Mississippi River below him, which is about 1,500 feet wide from shoreline to shoreline, this Texan asked the question, "Is this the main channel?"

I've shared this story numerous times.

Oh, by the way, Jaime, your Dallas Cowboys did some very terrible, terrible things to my St. Louis football Cardinals on a regular basis from the late 60s through the 80s before they moved to Arizona. I always thought that Tom Landry was given a very poor send-off by the Cowboys for all of the great seasons that he coached for them.
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Yeah, the Cowboys were never the same without Tom Landry. Many Ex-cowboy fans as a result of Jerry Jones.
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Life may have been found on this moon
Check Out ~~~~
Dione moon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dione_(moon)
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What does the Bible say about the number of stars and the shape of the earth? 

Isaiah wrote 700 years before Jesus birth,

Isa.40:22, "It is he (God) that sits upon (above) the circle of the earth,"  To my knowledge, Isaiah never went to school for astronomy and got it right. Yet some 2100 years later, correct me if I'm wrong, the earth was thought to be flat. Circle defined in the Hebrew, "A sphere, used of the arch or vault of the sky

Also, up until the year 1600 A.D. it was thought that there were some 3000 to 6000 stars in the heavens. Yet some 600 years before the birth of Christ, Jeremiah wrote,

Jer.33:22, "As the host (stars) of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured: so will I multiply the seed of David my servant."

Concerning the  XY chromosomes and women have XX chromosomes, simple answer. Adam had been made in the image and likeness of God, the perfect human specimen.  A physical body perfect. Therefore, Adam had both the XY and the XX chromosomes in him, so God took one pair and made the woman. See how simple it is when you use a little common sense.

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Life on another planet (moon) has been found

http://www.newsweek.com/saturn-moon-titan-simple-life-nasa-cassini-643322


Life has not been found.  The probe found "It’s not impossible" for life to begin there. 

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Concerning the  XY chromosomes and women have XX chromosomes, simple answer. Adam had been made in the image and likeness of God, the perfect human specimen.  A physical body perfect. Therefore, Adam had both the XY and the XX chromosomes in him, so God took one pair and made the woman. See how simple it is when you use a little common sense.
I must have missed it.  Could you point out where in the Bible, or any other place, it says that?  That is not common sense; that is nonsense.

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Oh, so you think Jesus will say something like, "Whoops! That whole, 'God spoke and it was so' thing was supposed to be a joke. Didn't you get it?"? Or maybe, "You took that seriously? Well, who'da thought?"?


Jesus knows that He is not responsible for the writings of the author of the Book of Genesis who simply recorded what was handed down, word of mouth, through many, many generations of Jewish people before it was recorded in the Book of Genesis.

And Jesus quoted Moses whose writings called the Pentateuch condemned the Jews who refused to believe that He was the Messiah.   You don't know the Scriptures and the Evolutionists ("Progressive" or otherwise) here are some of the most liberal folk I've ever seen in my life who say that they are Christians and believe the Scriptures.  They make great effort here to do what you've done and mock the Bible.  Jesus Christ is revealed to everyone who will see Him from the first verse of Genesis to the last verse of Revelation.  Genesis included almost 100 passages related to salvation which would be provided to mankind via Christ's finished work on the cross.   


John 5:44  How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and do not seek the glory that comes from the only God?
John 5:45  Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father. There is one who accuses you: Moses, on whom you have set your hope.
John 5:46  For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me.
John 5:47  But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe my words?"

Between the Theology and Political forums here there are five people (the Gang of Five) who want to dominate and obliterate others who disagree with them.   

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Did I make the "Gang of Five?"

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If you didn’t TC, that would be one of the great oversights of history.
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Did I make the "Gang of Five?"

Well, you probably made the hateful list, but I know I didn't make notre's gang list.  ::angel::  He's never accused me of being anything other than a godly woman - in public or in private.  ::smile:: Isn't that right, notre?  ::smile::






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If you didn’t TC, that would be one of the great oversights of history.

TC would probably wear the badge with honor. I don't know about the theology forum, but the politics forum is better suited for alpha males and Christian women with a bit of spark and fire.  ::tippinghat::

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Now pay attention:
Gen.1:27, "So God created man in his (God's) own image, in the image of God created he him (Adam); male and female created he him." Yes he said male and female, but Adam was the only person around up to this moment in time. The woman is a prediction of what was to be.

Gen.2:8-9, After the forming of Adam, the LORD plants a garden eastward in Eden, He takes the man brings him into the garden THEN,

Gen.2:21-22-23, takes Adam puts him to sleep, takes one of his ribs, closes the flesh, then takes the rib and mades the woman, then brought the woman to Adam.

Verse 23, "And Adam said, This is now bone of my bone (in other words, this woman came from my own bones) and of my flesh (D.N.A.) of my own flesh, "because she (the woman) was taken OUT OF Man."

Now that's pretty simple, don't you think. Now the real question is "Do you believe it? that decision is up to you. As for me, if it's written in Scripture, I believe it.

Now I don't know how God created the heaven and earth and everything in it by speaking it into existance, but I believe it. And if he did all that, what's so out of the way in you're thinking that he could not accomplise the above?

Phil