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Re: On the Law (split from Fearfully and Wonderfully Made)
« Reply #35 on: Mon Nov 19, 2012 - 21:46:37 »
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MMS - What about the people whose jobs give them no choice but to work a revolving schedule and they have to work on the sabbath to provide for their families or be fired so that they cannot serve them in that way?
Yes, Jaime hit the nail on the head and as for me at work, like I said, if I can haul ten loads on Saturday but they only need 3 then 3 is all they get, I'll wait till the next day to haul the other 7.

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« Reply #36 on: Mon Nov 19, 2012 - 21:48:48 »
Many people who I know do different things for God all during the week.
Sabbath is surely about rest, and many get their rest in Jesus all the time. He wants us to live in that spiritual rest 24/7. There is no reason why it needs to be confined to only one day a week.

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« Reply #37 on: Mon Nov 19, 2012 - 21:50:39 »
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MMS - What about the people whose jobs give them no choice but to work a revolving schedule and they have to work on the sabbath to provide for their families or be fired so that they cannot serve them in that way?
Yes, Jaime hit the nail on the head and as for me at work, like I said, if I can haul ten loads on Saturday but they only need 3 then 3 is all they get, I'll wait till the next day to haul the other 7.
 
So you differ from everhope in that you think its ok to work saturday if you are keeping that day as a sabbath?

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Re: Re: On the Law (split from Fearfully and Wonderfully Made)
« Reply #38 on: Mon Nov 19, 2012 - 21:53:33 »
Many people who I know do different things for God all during the week.
Sabbath is surely about rest, and many get their rest in Jesus all the time. He wants us to live in that spiritual rest 24/7. There is no reason why it needs to be confined to only one day a week.

But, if its their conviction, I have no issue and wish them blessing and great reward...I just wish all the condemnation and "warning" posts would stop.  We are more alike than we are different, (I am convinced firmly after reading both Trumpeter and Everhope's sharing of how they keep the sabbath holy. THANKS to both! I really appreciated reading what they shared  ::smile:: ) and our focus should be on what really matters, Christ. ::smile::

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Re: Re: On the Law (split from Fearfully and Wonderfully Made)
« Reply #39 on: Mon Nov 19, 2012 - 21:54:10 »
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MMS - What about the people whose jobs give them no choice but to work a revolving schedule and they have to work on the sabbath to provide for their families or be fired so that they cannot serve them in that way?
Yes, Jaime hit the nail on the head and as for me at work, like I said, if I can haul ten loads on Saturday but they only need 3 then 3 is all they get, I'll wait till the next day to haul the other 7.
 
So you differ from everhope in that you think its ok to work saturday if you are keeping that day as a sabbath?
I also noticed that he differs in feeling any day is suitable for worship, which she clearly is not ok with.

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« Reply #40 on: Mon Nov 19, 2012 - 21:56:47 »
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MMS - What about the people whose jobs give them no choice but to work a revolving schedule and they have to work on the sabbath to provide for their families or be fired so that they cannot serve them in that way?
Yes, Jaime hit the nail on the head and as for me at work, like I said, if I can haul ten loads on Saturday but they only need 3 then 3 is all they get, I'll wait till the next day to haul the other 7.
 
So you differ from everhope in that you think its ok to work saturday if you are keeping that day as a sabbath?
I also noticed that he differs in feeling any day is suitable for worship, which she clearly is not ok with.
I thought the idea of a sabbath was to rest physically and spiritually??? I dont know cos I dont need to keep it and I worship God whenever and wherever, and I have times of rest and times of work throughout the week.
 
IF you have young children, you are never resting anyway. Its a 7 day a week 24 hours a day job caring for them. Mine are now all independant, but I remember it well. ::smile:: In fact weekends were very busy because my husband worked in the airline industry and worked 3 out of 4 weekends.
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« Reply #41 on: Mon Nov 19, 2012 - 22:05:02 »
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CO - So you differ from everhope in that you think its ok to work saturday if you are keeping that day as a sabbath?
No I don't think it's OK to work on the Sabbath but my job puts me in that position so I do only what's asked of me and nothing more. The Lord knows my heart.

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« Reply #42 on: Mon Nov 19, 2012 - 22:12:17 »
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CO - IF you have young children, you are never resting anyway. Its a 7 day a week 24 hours a day job caring for them. Mine are now all independant, but I remember it well.
Our youngest daughter has 3 young boys and she feels the same way as you but she still does what she can to honour the Sabbath. The Lord knows her heart too.

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« Reply #43 on: Mon Nov 19, 2012 - 22:14:23 »
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CO - IF you have young children, you are never resting anyway. Its a 7 day a week 24 hours a day job caring for them. Mine are now all independant, but I remember it well.
Our youngest daughter has 3 young boys and she feels the same way as you but she still does what she can to honour the Sabbath. The Lord knows her heart too.

And, that's the key.  ::smile:: I'm so glad that while man is looking and judging away based on outward appearances, God is busy looking at the heart and intentions of His children. ::smile::

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Re: On the Law (split from Fearfully and Wonderfully Made)
« Reply #44 on: Mon Nov 19, 2012 - 22:18:36 »
I remember as a child growing up that you couldn't do anything on a Sunday. It was next to impossible to buy anything because everything was closed because our nation honoured the Church's Sabbath. Not so anymore, now it's like any other day.

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« Reply #45 on: Mon Nov 19, 2012 - 22:39:36 »
WE all need to do what we can to honour God, and for me that isnt keeping any particular day as different from any other. For me each day is special with Jesus and HE is my rest. I am glad that Paul makes it clear that we are all to be sure in our own minds about this matter, whether that be Saturday Sunday or every day. Its our heart attitude that matters.
I am not bothered if anyone feels they need to do it differently from me, even if I know that it isnt needed, and I dont tell them they must to do it my way, and others should not be telling me or anyone else that WE must do it THEIR way. ::shrug:: 

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« Reply #46 on: Mon Nov 19, 2012 - 22:41:18 »
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CO - So you differ from everhope in that you think its ok to work saturday if you are keeping that day as a sabbath?
No I don't think it's OK to work on the Sabbath but my job puts me in that position so I do only what's asked of me and nothing more. The Lord knows my heart.

 So how is this day different if you are working?

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« Reply #47 on: Mon Nov 19, 2012 - 22:48:40 »
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MMS - What about the people whose jobs give them no choice but to work a revolving schedule and they have to work on the sabbath to provide for their families or be fired so that they cannot serve them in that way?
Yes, Jaime hit the nail on the head and as for me at work, like I said, if I can haul ten loads on Saturday but they only need 3 then 3 is all they get, I'll wait till the next day to haul the other 7.
 
So you differ from everhope in that you think its ok to work saturday if you are keeping that day as a sabbath?
I also noticed that he differs in feeling any day is suitable for worship, which she clearly is not ok with.
I thought the idea of a sabbath was to rest physically and spiritually??? I dont know cos I dont need to keep it and I worship God whenever and wherever, and I have times of rest and times of work throughout the week.
 
IF you have young children, you are never resting anyway. Its a 7 day a week 24 hours a day job caring for them. Mine are now all independant, but I remember it well. ::smile:: In fact weekends were very busy because my husband worked in the airline industry and worked 3 out of 4 weekends.

I watched an episode today of 'Property Brothers', a home renovation show where twin brothers help couples buy fixer-uppers and remodel to create a dream home for them. Today's episode was about a remodel for a kosher Jewish couple who required a kosher kitchen. One of their extra requests that they had to budget in was a timer system for their interior house lights as turning on and off lights was considered work to them on their Shabat. Yet, I noticed they provided for them a beautiful washing station in their dining room, and immediately upon seeing it, the wife went over and turned the spigot on and off.

How far does this work thing carry on? They cannot turn lights on and off, but they can turn water on and off?

It is the heavy burden of the law that these people are carrying and it is for naught, as the God they serve doesn't receive that devotion, for they reject His provision of a Saviour who fulfilled the requirements of the law on that dreadful hill called Golgotha.



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Re: Re: On the Law (split from Fearfully and Wonderfully Made)
« Reply #48 on: Mon Nov 19, 2012 - 22:51:57 »
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MMS - What about the people whose jobs give them no choice but to work a revolving schedule and they have to work on the sabbath to provide for their families or be fired so that they cannot serve them in that way?
Yes, Jaime hit the nail on the head and as for me at work, like I said, if I can haul ten loads on Saturday but they only need 3 then 3 is all they get, I'll wait till the next day to haul the other 7.
 
So you differ from everhope in that you think its ok to work saturday if you are keeping that day as a sabbath?
I also noticed that he differs in feeling any day is suitable for worship, which she clearly is not ok with.
I thought the idea of a sabbath was to rest physically and spiritually??? I dont know cos I dont need to keep it and I worship God whenever and wherever, and I have times of rest and times of work throughout the week.
 
IF you have young children, you are never resting anyway. Its a 7 day a week 24 hours a day job caring for them. Mine are now all independant, but I remember it well. ::smile:: In fact weekends were very busy because my husband worked in the airline industry and worked 3 out of 4 weekends.

I watched an episode today of 'Property Brothers', a home renovation show where twin brothers help couples buy fixer-uppers and remodel to create a dream home for them. Today's episode was about a remodel for a kosher Jewish couple who required a kosher kitchen. One of their extra requests that they had to budget in was a timer system for their interior house lights as turning on and off lights was considered work to them on their Shabat. Yet, I noticed they provided for them a beautiful washing station in their dining room, and immediately upon seeing it, the wife went over and turned the spigot on and off.

How far does this work thing carry on? They cannot turn lights on and off, but they can turn water on and off?

It is the heavy burden of the law that these people are carrying and it is for naught, as the God they serve doesn't receive that devotion, for they reject His provision of a Saviour who fulfilled the requirements of the law on that dreadful hill called Golgotha.



 
yes but of course the Jews dont yet know that peace and rest that we have in Jesus, so they remain in that state of having to keep laws to get right with God. Sad.

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« Reply #49 on: Tue Nov 20, 2012 - 01:44:10 »
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CO - IF you have young children, you are never resting anyway. Its a 7 day a week 24 hours a day job caring for them. Mine are now all independant, but I remember it well.
Our youngest daughter has 3 young boys and she feels the same way as you but she still does what she can to honour the Sabbath. The Lord knows her heart too.

And, that's the key.  ::smile:: I'm so glad that while man is looking and judging away based on outward appearances, God is busy looking at the heart and intentions of His children. ::smile::

Amen, sis---that should end the thread!

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« Reply #50 on: Tue Nov 20, 2012 - 03:54:37 »
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MMS - What about the people whose jobs give them no choice but to work a revolving schedule and they have to work on the sabbath to provide for their families or be fired so that they cannot serve them in that way?
Yes, Jaime hit the nail on the head and as for me at work, like I said, if I can haul ten loads on Saturday but they only need 3 then 3 is all they get, I'll wait till the next day to haul the other 7.
 
So you differ from everhope in that you think its ok to work saturday if you are keeping that day as a sabbath?
I also noticed that he differs in feeling any day is suitable for worship, which she clearly is not ok with.
I thought the idea of a sabbath was to rest physically and spiritually??? I dont know cos I dont need to keep it and I worship God whenever and wherever, and I have times of rest and times of work throughout the week.
 
IF you have young children, you are never resting anyway. Its a 7 day a week 24 hours a day job caring for them. Mine are now all independant, but I remember it well. ::smile:: In fact weekends were very busy because my husband worked in the airline industry and worked 3 out of 4 weekends.

I watched an episode today of 'Property Brothers', a home renovation show where twin brothers help couples buy fixer-uppers and remodel to create a dream home for them. Today's episode was about a remodel for a kosher Jewish couple who required a kosher kitchen. One of their extra requests that they had to budget in was a timer system for their interior house lights as turning on and off lights was considered work to them on their Shabat. Yet, I noticed they provided for them a beautiful washing station in their dining room, and immediately upon seeing it, the wife went over and turned the spigot on and off.

How far does this work thing carry on? They cannot turn lights on and off, but they can turn water on and off?

It is the heavy burden of the law that these people are carrying and it is for naught, as the God they serve doesn't receive that devotion, for they reject His provision of a Saviour who fulfilled the requirements of the law on that dreadful hill called Golgotha.



 
yes but of course the Jews dont yet know that peace and rest that we have in Jesus, so they remain in that state of having to keep laws to get right with God. Sad.

Yes, sister, and then I think about so many so-called Christians who want to take on the same burden for themselves when it is not necessary. It is a burden of religiosity, and Jesus always hated religiosity. We have been freed from that.

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Re: Re: On the Law (split from Fearfully and Wonderfully Made)
« Reply #51 on: Tue Nov 20, 2012 - 07:18:51 »
I have a friend with 2 young kids and they make a day of family time. They usually turn off the TV etc and play games spend time together talking about BIble stories, AND they usually do some little something for an elderly person or something, since it's always OK to do good on the Sabbath. He says the kids look forward to Sabbath every week. The Sabbath to him and his family is a delight as it sshould be and certainly NOT burdensome as I remember Sundays as a kid under "freedom".
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« Reply #52 on: Tue Nov 20, 2012 - 07:51:51 »
I have a friend with 2 young kids and they make a day of family time. They usually turn off the TV etc and play games spend time together talking about BIble stories, AND they usually do some little something for an elderly person or something, since it's always OK to do good on the Sabbath. He says the kids look forward to Sabbath every week. The Sabbath to him and his family is a delight as it sshould be and certainly NOT burdensome as I remember Sundays as a kid under "freedom".

Yes having a family day is precious to children.
 I used to play many games with my children when they were young, at the weekends or in the school holidays. My then husband worked most weekneds, so it was usually me, but they loved that attention. It wasnt on any particular day though, as that isnt the way that I see it.

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« Reply #53 on: Tue Nov 20, 2012 - 08:05:42 »
Well, the certain day was something for this guys kids to look forward to. A special day dedicated to God and ceasing from normal activity. It ain't evil or legalistic just because it ain't what we are used to or called something we have been brought up to abhor.
 
Most of us are day keepers whether we want to admit it or not. I have been a Sunday Keeper all my life, and taught that anyone who keeps another day is weird, even though the Bible says not to do that. Up until fairly recently Sunday was always a burdensome day for me.  I always had a "Sunday headache", I think from all the stress and anxiety. Getting dressed up in clothes I didn't like, going to a place I didn't want to be, being with people I didn't care to be with.

I have tried what my friend has implemented and to tell you the truth, it is an absolute blessing. We have done it with another family and it was awesome. I think God does show up on his appointed time, and is honored that we want to keep the appointment. Can he other times? Yes. The key is CEASING. God didn't need the rest, but he did CEASE from all his creating. He asked us to CEASE as well from our activities.
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« Reply #54 on: Tue Nov 20, 2012 - 08:17:35 »
Well, the certain day was something for this guys kids to look forward to. A special day dedicated to God and ceasing from normal activity. It ain't evil or legalistic just because it ain't what we are used to or called something we have been brought up to abhor.
 
Most of us are day keepers whether we want to admit it or not. I have been a Sunday Keeper all my life, and taught that anyone who keeps another day is weird, even though the Bible says not to do that. Up until fairly recently Sunday was always a burdensome day. Getting dressed up in clothes I didn't like, going to a place I didn't want to be, being with people I didn't care to be with.

I have tried what my friend has implemented and to tell you the truth, it is an absolute blessing. I think God does show up on his appointed time, and is honored that we want to keep the appointment. Can he other times? Yes.

 I agree. It shouldnt be legalistic at all,  and should be a blessing not a burden. I was bought up to think that Sundays was the day that had to be different, but now I think that any day can be special with Jesus. Of course certain days are different for all of us, especially for those who work Monday to Friday, when weekends are that time when families are usually together more.

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Re: Re: On the Law (split from Fearfully and Wonderfully Made)
« Reply #55 on: Tue Nov 20, 2012 - 08:26:31 »
I have a friend with 2 young kids and they make a day of family time. They usually turn off the TV etc and play games spend time together talking about BIble stories, AND they usually do some little something for an elderly person or something, since it's always OK to do good on the Sabbath. He says the kids look forward to Sabbath every week. The Sabbath to him and his family is a delight as it sshould be and certainly NOT burdensome as I remember Sundays as a kid under "freedom".

I live for family days!  The louder and sillier the game play the better!  ::clappingoverhead::

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« Reply #56 on: Tue Nov 20, 2012 - 08:27:13 »
It will be hard for me to get away from Sunday being "special". Yes we can glorify God anyday even while observing Sunday or Sabbath. But it's not necessary to CEASE in those times. We glorify God IN our work or daily activities............as unto the Lord. Ceasing is different in my opinion. My limited experience with Sabbath is one of DELIGHT.

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« Reply #57 on: Tue Nov 20, 2012 - 09:01:56 »
I have a friend with 2 young kids and they make a day of family time. They usually turn off the TV etc and play games spend time together talking about BIble stories, AND they usually do some little something for an elderly person or something, since it's always OK to do good on the Sabbath. He says the kids look forward to Sabbath every week. The Sabbath to him and his family is a delight as it sshould be and certainly NOT burdensome as I remember Sundays as a kid under "freedom".

I live for family days!  The louder and sillier the game play the better!  ::clappingoverhead::

 LOL. Kids LOVE them dont they. My older daughter still loves board games and she is 32!!!!

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« Reply #58 on: Tue Nov 20, 2012 - 09:34:24 »
I have a friend with 2 young kids and they make a day of family time. They usually turn off the TV etc and play games spend time together talking about BIble stories, AND they usually do some little something for an elderly person or something, since it's always OK to do good on the Sabbath. He says the kids look forward to Sabbath every week. The Sabbath to him and his family is a delight as it sshould be and certainly NOT burdensome as I remember Sundays as a kid under "freedom".

I live for family days!  The louder and sillier the game play the better!  ::clappingoverhead::

 LOL. Kids LOVE them dont they. My older daughter still loves board games and she is 32!!!!
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last time we were all together, the boys went out to play an outdoor game they like and we girls were left home to whoop it up.  We got so silly and loud that at one point one of us said "The neighbors are gonna call the cops!  We are screaming and carrying on so, that someone's gonna think we are being hurt in here!"  ::eek::  Which made us all  rofl rofl rofl all the more. ::noworries::
Priceless, precious times! ::smile::

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Re: On the Law (split from Fearfully and Wonderfully Made)
« Reply #59 on: Fri Nov 30, 2012 - 19:54:32 »
You Shall Not Use Grace as a Sword, by Which You Attempt to Slay The Moral Law

Listen:
2/15/08 From Jesus The Christ, YahuShua HaMashiach, Our Lord and Savior - A Letter Given to Timothy, For Trent, and For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear


Whose this Timothy guy? Who gave him a letter? Where do i find this letter?

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« Reply #60 on: Fri Nov 30, 2012 - 20:37:50 »
I have a friend with 2 young kids and they make a day of family time. They usually turn off the TV etc and play games spend time together talking about BIble stories, AND they usually do some little something for an elderly person or something, since it's always OK to do good on the Sabbath. He says the kids look forward to Sabbath every week. The Sabbath to him and his family is a delight as it sshould be and certainly NOT burdensome as I remember Sundays as a kid under "freedom".

I live for family days!  The louder and sillier the game play the better!  ::clappingoverhead::

 LOL. Kids LOVE them dont they. My older daughter still loves board games and she is 32!!!!
::smile::
last time we were all together, the boys went out to play an outdoor game they like and we girls were left home to whoop it up.  We got so silly and loud that at one point one of us said "The neighbors are gonna call the cops!  We are screaming and carrying on so, that someone's gonna think we are being hurt in here!"  ::eek::  Which made us all  rofl rofl rofl all the more. ::noworries::
Priceless, precious times! ::smile::


 Yes laughter is such good medicine. ::smile::

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« Reply #61 on: Sat Dec 01, 2012 - 10:54:44 »
We Christians were actually givin many warnings about what would happen concerning Gods sabbath. The warnings are all around the new testament.

1 PETER 5 [8] Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a ROARING LION, walketh about, SEEKING WHOM  HE MAY DEVOUR:

Watch out for these roaring lions!

MATT.7 [14] Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.[15] Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are RAVENING WOLVES.

Beware of false these prophets. They are RAVENING WOLVES. Also implied here is that “the many” will follow these false prophets and but a few will take the way of life.

ACTS 20 [29] For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous WOLVES ENTER IN among you, not sparing the flock.[30] Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, TO DRAW AWAY DISCIPLES after them.

The GRIEVOUS WOLVES were there from the beginning

EPH.4 [17] This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth WALK NOT AS OTHER GENTILES walk, in the VANITY of their mind,[18] Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:[19] Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all UNCLEANNESS with GREEDINESS.

Well, I found all these warnings from the new testament in one scripture. The Day of the Lord scriptures are so great. Since “that day” has not yet arrived no one can claim that the scripture is for ancient Israel and does not apply to christians. Day of the Lord scriptures do apply to christians (those who believe that Jesus came) and these scriptures will come to pass. To see what these ROARING LIONS and RAVENOUS WOLVES have done, simply read and believe the Word.

EZEK.22 [23] And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,[24] Son of man, say unto her, Thou art the land that is not cleansed, nor rained upon in the day of indignation.[25] There is A CONSPIRACY OF HER PROPHETS in the midst thereof, like a ROARING LION ravening the prey; THEY HAVE DEVOURED SOULS; they have taken the treasure and precious things; they have made her many widows in the midst thereof.[26] HER PRIESTS HAVE VIOLATED MY LAW, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the UNCLEAN AND THE CLEAN, and HAVE HID THEIR EYES FROM MY SABBATHS, and I am profaned among them.[27] Her princes in the midst thereof are like WOLVES RAVENING THE PREY, to shed blood, and to destroy souls, to get DISHONEST GAIN.[28] And her prophets have daubed them with untempered morter, SEEING VANITY, and divining lies unto them, saying, Thus saith the Lord GOD, when the LORD hath not spoken

A conspiracy of the prophets. HID THEIR EYES FROM MY SABBATHS! They meant to do it and they sure did pull it off despite the warnings


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Re: On the Law (split from Fearfully and Wonderfully Made)
« Reply #62 on: Wed Dec 05, 2012 - 17:35:32 »
I also feel because the vast majority have followed the roaring lions and ravenous wolves is the reason only a few will be saved

LUKE 12 [31] But rather seek ye the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you.[32] FEAR NOT, LITTLE FLOCK; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.

only a little flock will enter the kingdom

MATT.7  [13] Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction,and many there be which go in thereat:[14] Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life,and FEW THERE BE THAT FIND IT.

few there be that find it

MATT.7  [21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.[22] MANY WILL SAY to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?[23] And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: DEPART FROM ME, YE THAT WORK INIQUITY.

In footnotes of the KJB, iniquity equals lawlessness.  You can find this in 2 THES. 2 verse 7. And the many have come in the name of JESUS saying we need not keep GODS 10 commandments. Practice to break one ya break them all according to scripture

LUKE 13  [23] Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,[24] Strive to enter in at the strait gate: FOR MANY, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.[25] When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:[26] Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.[27] But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

Jesus himself tells us that “the many” will not enter the Kingdom. And he explains why. They are workers of iniquity. They do not keep Gods law. HIS 10 commandments.

ISAIAH 24  [3] The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the LORD hath spoken this word.[4] The earth mourneth and fadeth away, the world languisheth and fadeth away, the haughty people of the earth do languish.[5] The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, BROKEN THE EVERLASTING COVENANT.[6] Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, AND FEW MEN LEFT.

Well, here we are. The BOTTOM LINE. The DAY OF THE LORD (when Christ returns) and again the Word says that only a few will be saved to the kingdom.
 
LEV.24 [8] EVERY SABBATH he shall set it in order before the LORD continually, being taken from the children of Israel by AN EVERLASTING COVENANT.

Is this the everlasting covenant that they broke?

JEREMIAH 16 [19] O Lord, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, THE GENTILES shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.

 In Jeremiah we find what will happen when Jesus returns. Really dont look good for the vast majority of gentiles

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Re: On the Law (split from Fearfully and Wonderfully Made)
« Reply #63 on: Wed Dec 05, 2012 - 17:41:49 »
MATT.7  [22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?[23] And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: DEPART FROM ME, YE THAT WORK INIQUITY.

iniquity
Greek Word: ἀνομία
Transliteration: anomia
Phonetic Pronunciation:an-om-ee'-ah
Root: from <G459>
Cross Reference: TDNT - 4:1085,646
Part of Speech: n f
Vine's Words: Iniquity, LAWLESS, LawlessnessStrong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary.

ISAIAH 48 [17] Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I AM THE LORD THY GOD WHICH TEACHETH THEE TO PROFIT, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.[18] O THAT THOU HADST HEARKENED TO MY COMMANDMENTS! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea:

Whose your Redeemer? Profit!

JER.16 [19] O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, THE GENTILES shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is NO PROFIT.

No profit!

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Re: On the Law (split from Fearfully and Wonderfully Made)
« Reply #64 on: Fri Dec 07, 2012 - 11:40:41 »
JOHN 3 [16]

JOHN 3 [16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. [17] For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him MIGHT BE SAVED. [18] He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. [19] And this is the condemnation, THAT LIGHT IS COME INTO THE WORLD, AND MEN LOVED DARKNESS RATHER THAN LIGHT, because their deeds were evil. [20] For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. [21] But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Many will quote John 3[16-18]. But if you go on to read the next 3 verses in John (19-21) you will see that unbelievers have NO LIGHT IN THEM because they prefer darkness. Could it be there are some that say they believe and think they believe, but actually believe not due to their deeds? Their works?

ISAIAH 8 [20] TO THE LAW AND TO THE TESTIMONY: IF THEY SPEAK NOT ACCORDING TO THIS WORD, IT IS BECAUSE THERE IS NO LIGHT IN THEM.[21] And they shall pass through it, hardly bestead and hungry: and it shall come to pass, that when they shall be hungry, they shall fret themselves, and curse their king and their God, and look upward.[22] And they shall look unto the earth; and behold trouble and darkness, dimness of anguish; and they shall be driven to darkness.

Law and the Testimony

REV.12 [16] And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.[17] And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, WHICH KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, AND HAVE THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST.

Law and the Testimony

To the law (10 commandments) and the testimony (Jesus) If they speak not according to these words THERE IS NO LIGHT IN THEM. Just as the WORD says in John 3.

ACTS 17 [10] And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. [11] These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and SEARCHED THE SCRIPTURES DAILY, whether those things were so. [12] Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.

Many will claim that Isaiah 8 is old testament and may be ignored{even though its speaking of the Day of the Lord}. Im not sure where the many came up with that train of thought. The old testament scriptures were the only scriptures around during the time of Paul. In Acts 17 you find a people who searched the old testament scriptures daily to see if Paul was telling the truth. By testing Pauls words in this way, many came to believe. Nothings changed since Pauls time. Scripture should be of no private interpretation. Scripture will interpret scripture.

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Re: Re: On the Law (split from Fearfully and Wonderfully Made)
« Reply #65 on: Mon Dec 10, 2012 - 13:43:10 »
oh brother.
 
I get accused of blah blah blah, because I speak out God's word, but do not always cite chapter and verse, but Trumpter speaks his own agenda...and more often then not, Ever swoops in and tells him "Thank God for you".
 
Galatians 4:10-11 You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.

Well MeMyself, your making the claim that Galatians 4 is telling us we need not keep Gods sabbath. No so.

GAL.4 [8] Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.[9] But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?[10] YE OBSERVE DAYS, AND MONTHS, AND TIMES, AND YEARS.[11] I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Galatians 4 says nothing about sabbaths or feast days. Its speaking of those who observe times.

DEUT.18 [9] When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.[10] There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, OR AN OBSERVER OF TIMES, or an enchanter, or a witch,[11] Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

The same thing goes on to this very day. Its speaking of the occult. Those who observe certain days by use of horoscopes?

2 CHR.33 [3] For he built again the high places which Hezekiah his father had broken down, and he reared up altars for Baalim, and made groves, and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served them.[4] Also he built altars in the house of the LORD, whereof the LORD had said, In Jerusalem shall my name be for ever.[5] And he built altars for all the host of heaven in the two courts of the house of the LORD.[6] And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: ALSO HE OBSERVED TIMES, and used enchantments, and used witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger

Enchantments, witchcraft, familiar spirits, and wizards. Its speaking of the occult. Not following sabbath days.

LEV.19 [26] Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, NOR OBSERVE TIMES.[27] Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.[28] Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.[29] Do not prostitute thy daughter, to cause her to be a whore; lest the land fall to whoredom, and the land become full of wickedness.[30] YE SHALL KEEP MY SABBATHS, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

I guess this scripture says it all. You shall not observe times BUT you will keep my sabbaths.


 

     
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