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Re: Revelation's symbolic language
« Reply #210 on: Wed Jul 21, 2021 - 04:43:28 »
Okay, still supports what I said~the WICKED do not live after the death of their body UNTIL the resurrection at the last day when they shall be judge.
What message do you get from the account of the rich man and Lazarus in Luke 16?

.....The rich man also died and was buried, and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side (Luke 16:22-23)

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Re: Revelation's symbolic language
« Reply #211 on: Wed Jul 21, 2021 - 04:53:51 »
What message do you get from the account of the rich man and Lazarus in Luke 16?

.....The rich man also died and was buried, and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side (Luke 16:22-23)
Brother, in one sentence...... it's a parable with its overall teaching is when ONCE we die, our works follow us and once we die, there's NO crossing back and correcting our past life. I have one or two posts on this written a while back, I'll see if I can find it later.

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« Reply #212 on: Wed Jul 21, 2021 - 05:07:05 »
Brother, in one sentence...... it's a parable with its overall teaching is when ONCE we die, our works follow us and once we die, there's NO crossing back and correcting our past life. I have one or two posts on this written a while back, I'll see if I can find it later.
Can't be a parable since the beggar Lazarus is actually named.  Parables do not name names.

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Re: Revelation's symbolic language
« Reply #213 on: Wed Jul 21, 2021 - 05:22:52 »
Can't be a parable since the beggar Lazarus is actually named.  Parables do not name names.
This one does.

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« Reply #214 on: Wed Jul 21, 2021 - 05:24:04 »
Can't be a parable since the beggar Lazarus is actually named.  Parables do not name names.
Said WHO? Dave, no time to debate this now, but will say your point will not hold up~besides, if this is speaking of a literal hellfire of a place being now, do you really think for one moment touching water with your finger on someone's tongue would serve any good? But stopping a person's tongue of boasting about tomorrow can serve a good purpose before death! boasting of such things as....." being clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day."
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Re: Revelation's symbolic language
« Reply #215 on: Wed Jul 21, 2021 - 05:30:50 »
Brother, in one sentence...... it's a parable with its overall teaching is when ONCE we die, our works follow us and once we die, there's NO crossing back and correcting our past life. I have one or two posts on this written a while back, I'll see if I can find it later.
Yes, it teaches that, but it also teaches that after physical death, the lost are self-aware for some time at least and certainly until Jesus comes back for judgment.  It also teaches that the dead are aware of what is happening at least on earth and to the saved who have died.

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« Reply #216 on: Wed Jul 21, 2021 - 06:41:31 »
Said WHO? Dave, no time to debate this now, but will say your point will not hold up~besides, if this is speaking of a literal hellfire of a place being now, do you really think for one moment touching water with your finger on someone's tongue would serve any good? But stopping a person's tongue of boasting about tomorrow can serve a good purpose before death! boasting of such things as....." being clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day."
In case you were not aware, the use of parables predates our Lord's birth by at least a century. And in those recorded parables no one is mentioned BY NAME.  I would suggest finding Brad Young's book on Parables to find out more how that was used in that culture.

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Re: Revelation's symbolic language
« Reply #217 on: Wed Jul 21, 2021 - 12:15:31 »
In case you were not aware, the use of parables predates our Lord's birth by at least a century. And in those recorded parables no one is mentioned BY NAME.  I would suggest finding Brad Young's book on Parables to find out more how that was used in that culture.
Ah, but is "Lazarus" actually a name?

It looks like it might be a pseudonym to me.

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« Reply #218 on: Wed Jul 21, 2021 - 13:13:35 »
Ah, but is "Lazarus" actually a name?

It looks like it might be a pseudonym to me.
Lazar is a fairly common Jewish name.  It got Latinized by adding the -us to it.
Remember Lazar Wolfe the butcher from Fiddler on the Roof?

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« Reply #219 on: Thu Jul 22, 2021 - 12:56:31 »
Can't be a parable since the beggar Lazarus is actually named.  Parables do not name names.

There is a very compelling reason to use the name Lazarus in this particular parable.

Luk 16:19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: 20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, 21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; 23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. 25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. 26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. 27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: 28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. 29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. 30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. 31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Joh 11:38 Jesus therefore again groaning in himself cometh to the grave. It was a cave, and a stone lay upon it. 39 Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days. 40 Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God? Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me. 42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me. 43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. 44 And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.

A man named Lazarus did come forth from the dead, and they still would not believe.

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Re: Revelation's symbolic language
« Reply #220 on: Thu Jul 22, 2021 - 13:14:24 »
A man named Lazarus did come forth from the dead, and they still would not believe.
Indeed.  In fact they plotted to kill him as well:

John 12:9
The large crowd of the Jews then learned that He was there; and they came, not for Jesus’ sake only, but that they might also see Lazarus, whom He raised from the dead. 10  But the chief priests planned to put Lazarus to death also;


But this Lazarus apparently was fairly wealthy, as he was able to house and support his 2 sisters and support our Lord's ministry.

Interesting that it was the chief priests (Sadducees) and NOT the Pharisees who wanted Lazarus dead.  Sadducees did not believe in the resurrection of the dead, but the Pharisees did.  Having a guy walking around after being dead 4 days certainly threw a monkey wrench into their belief system.
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Re: Revelation's symbolic language
« Reply #221 on: Fri Jul 23, 2021 - 08:34:38 »
It has not been too long since we had a few posts on the difference between the three~body, soul, and spirit of man. I posted those mainly for you and you read what I believe, have you so soon forgotten? Actually, Solomon mentions this two separate times in Ecclesiastes~chapter three and 12.

Ecclesiastes deals EXCUSLVELY about life UNDER THE SUN and what is best for man~We KNOW about the afterlife more from other scriptures, mainly the NT.

Man's spirit is his soul's personality and when a man dies his body returns back to dust and his spirit to God who gave it. Now, in the NT, we know much more~ (with a little light from the OT) believers OT and NT have eternal life and shall never truly taste of death for God is NOT the God of dead, but of the LIVING! The wicked are not so~when they die, they live NOT again until the thousand years are expired and then ALL of the wicked shall come forth at the last day to be judged. Read Revelation chapter twenty.

enough for now.

Back to Revelation's symbolic language.

Back once I say this.

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Okay, still supports what I said~the WICKED do not live after the death of their body UNTIL the resurrection at the last day when they shall be judge.

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Man's spirit is his soul's personality and when a man dies his body returns back to dust and his spirit to God who gave it

Through our human spirit, we have self-awareness, emotions, intellectual knowledge, creative output, and personal passions.

That makes our human spirit US. And if we have a human spirit... it cannot die, just separate and therefore at the death of the body  it lives with all human spirits until such a time that it doesn't.

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Re: Revelation's symbolic language
« Reply #222 on: Fri Jul 23, 2021 - 09:20:38 »
And if we have a human spirit... it cannot die, just separate and therefore at the death of the body  it lives with all human spirits until such a time that it doesn't.
I truly do not understand what you are saying, maybe you can explain yourself a little better

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« Reply #223 on: Fri Jul 23, 2021 - 09:56:16 »
Psa 13:3 Consider and hear me, O LORD my God: lighten mine eyes, lest I sleep the sleep of death;

Psa 115:16 The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD'S: but the earth hath he given to the children of men. 17 The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence. 18 But we will bless the LORD from this time forth and for evermore. Praise the LORD.

Psa 146:1 Praise ye the LORD. Praise the LORD, O my soul. 2 While I live will I praise the LORD: I will sing praises unto my God while I have any being. 3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help. 4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.

Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. 7 Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God now accepteth thy works. 8 Let thy garments be always white; and let thy head lack no ointment. 9 Live joyfully with the wife whom thou lovest all the days of the life of thy vanity, which he hath given thee under the sun, all the days of thy vanity: for that is thy portion in this life, and in thy labour which thou takest under the sun. 10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.


The dead are asleep. They do not praise God, but have gone down into silence. Their thoughts perish. They know not anything, have no more memory, no love, no hatred, no envy, such have perished. They do no work, have no knowledge, or wisdom. This is the testimony of scripture through David and Solomon. Apart from scriptural testimony to contrary, this is the condition of all the dead. Enoch and Elijah never died. Moses was resurrected by Michael the archangel. Many of the sleeping saints rose from the dead at Christ's resurrection. These are the exceptions. 


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Re: Revelation's symbolic language
« Reply #224 on: Fri Jul 23, 2021 - 10:23:56 »
you wrote "Babylon or Jerusalem is at the heart and center of all antichristian power."

If there has ever been a more anti-Semitic statement made on these pages I've not read it. 

The Bible clearly identifies the anti-Christ kingdom as the Roman Catholic church - the sea beast of Revelation 13.  The multiple horns sprouting from the head of the beast are leaders or popes.  Daniel says these persons would commit blaspheme and seek to change the LAW of God regarding worship.

He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. - Daniel 7:25

"The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in heaven and earth." - Barclay Cap. XXVII, p. 218. Cities Petrus Bertrandus, Pius V.

We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.” - Rev. Peter Geiermann C.SS.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50

Those that attend worship services on Sunday instead of Saturday are violating the 4th commandment - due in no small degree to the dictates of the Vatican.

With regard to the murder of saints, the RCC is guilty of more innocent bloodshed than all other religions on the planet combined.  False identification of the anti-Christ system and its leadership cannot point to Jews of the 1st century and lay guilt upon them for all the years that passed since the fall of Jerusalem on Tisha B'Av.  Jerusalem doesn't sit on 7 hills as does Rome.  (Rev 17:9)

The throne of satan isn't in Jerusalem, but in modern Turkey (Rev 2:12-13).  It's inspired system is in Rome.

Lengthy quotations and demonic doctrine based upon Francisco Ribera's FUTURISM and Darby's Dispensationalism cannot displace the truth of End Times.  Israel has not been abandoned by God nor replaced by the plastic church.  Israel stands and the LAW still stands despite the lies promulgated by those who follow demonic dogma.

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Re: Revelation's symbolic language
« Reply #225 on: Tue Aug 17, 2021 - 07:34:40 »
John's view of the Great Tribulation from apocalyptic language.

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Before we start the last study on the great tribulation let me say please do not let anyone ever tell you that any scri pture in the Bible has nothing to do with salvation. All of the Bible is about God’s plan of salvation form the book of Genesis to Revelation.

People have had the desire to understand the book of Revelation but many have often given up due to the highly apocalyptic language within the book. "The book of Revelation is apocalyptic; therefore, I can never understand it." Well the truth is God never meant for the book of Revelation to be a great mystery to Christians.

The first thing one must understand about the book of Revelation is that it is a book composed almost entirely of symbols ..... symbols that a first century Jew would have found immediately recognizable. These symbols were used before in such books as Deuteronomy, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Jeremiah, Hosea, and Zechariah. They are closely associated with the book of Revelation.

For example in the Tabernacle the only light in the Holy Place would have come from the golden lampstands. We find the details for the lampstands listed in Exodus 25. And we find the symbolic use both in Zechariah 4 and Revelation 1. In the case of Revelation reference Christ is the source of the light. Zechariah used the lampstands in a similar manner, as Jehovah God is the light source.

So John would naturally borrow from their Old Testament Jewish imagery and symbols. Many of the events recorded in the Old Testament were strikingly filmier whether in reality or symbolically to the Jewish Christians of that day. Bringing those events to memory would serve to drive home the messages in Revelation.

These symbols were not selected as (fill in) by the Holy Spirit when He inspired the book, and they do not stand for just anything we may desire in our future. These symbols were not strange to John's original audience to whom the book was written. These symbols were generally understood that Revelation drew on spiritual truths and historical realities. Symbols were like flags being raised that great tribulation was coming. While those being warned would not heed it. Believers, understood these symbols as signs of victory.

John’s writing in Revelation 17:1-18 is quite unique as he takes a series of pictures that when put together become a full-motion picture. John is like the photographer who, in capturing a scene, takes pictures from many different angles, that can be seen throughout the book. John will take a series of pictures and then he will move around to a different point of observation. Here John tell the same story of the great tribulation but in apocalyptic language.

We begin with John’s snap shot of (Revelation 17:1-2) Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and talked with me, saying to me, "Come, I will show you (the judgment) of the (great harlot) who sits on many waters, with whom the kings of the earth (committed fornication), and the inhabitants of the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication." (emphasis added)

The women here is pictured and introduced as a prostitute women. This arrangement with Roman can be seen beginning with the crucifixion of Christ. The Romans had no desire to kill Jesus. It was the wicked Jews who shouted ‘Crucify him! Crucify Let his blood be on us and our children (Matthews 27:22-25). And it was the wicked Jews who said. "If you let this Man go, you are not Caesar's friend. Whoever makes himself a king speaks against Caesar." (John 19:12)

Spiritual fornication or harlotry in scri pture indicates the breaking of God’s covenant, or a departure from his ways (Ezekiel 16: 6-22). The LORD said also to me in the days of Josiah the king: "Have you seen what backsliding Israel has done? She has gone up on every high mountain and under every green tree, and there played the harlot. (Jeremiah 3:6) The nation of Israel had been in covenant relationship with God for 15.000 years, and had been referred to as a women married to the Lord, had sworn faith and love in all things to her rightful husband; but as was so often the case in Old Testament apostasies, even so now in the day of her redemption and visitation, she has shamefully forsaken and rejected him in whoring after strangers. (Jeremiah 3:20 concerning Jerusalem) Surely, as a wife treacherously departs from her husband, So have you dealt treacherously with Me, O house of Israel.’ says the Lord.

What is meant by she sits on many waters or lives by many waters’? This terminology is used in (Jeremiah 51:13) concerning the ancient city of Babylon were it was first applied.. There it denoted the vast expanse of influence she had in both civil and political realms. "waters" in Revelation often signifies "people" or nations instead of "H2O." (Dwelling upon many waters) denoted the broad expanse of the Babylon kingdom in the exercise of its political and civil power. Babylon was the civil king of that day. Jerusalem was to the world religiously what Babylon was politically.

John new move around to a different point of observation. So he carried me away in the Spirit into the wilderness. And I saw a (woman sitting on a scarlet beast) which was full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. (Revelation 17:3) Here the harlot women is riding or sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

An interpretive angel appears for the express purpose of explaining the vision: "But the angel said to me, "Why did you marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman and of the beast that carries her, which has the seven heads and the ten horns." (Rev 17:7). Then in verses 9 and 10 this angel explains the vision: "Here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitting. And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space."

Most evangelical scholars recognize that the seven mountains represent the famed seven hills of Rome. The recipients of Revelation lived under the rule of Rome, which was universally distinguished by its seven hills would have immediately recognizable this symbol. How could the recipients, living in the seven historical churches of Asia Minor and under Roman imperial rule, understand anything else but this geographical picture of John?

But there is an additional information involved. The seven heads have a two-fold referent. We learn also that the seven heads represent a political situation in which five kings have fallen, the sixth is, and the seventh is yet to come and will remain but a short while. It is surely no accident that Nero was the sixth emperor of Rome, who reigned after the deaths of his five predecessors and before the brief rule of the seventh emperor.

Flavius Josephus, the Jewish contemporary of John, clearly points out that Julius Caesar was the first emperor of Rome and that he was followed in succession by Augustus, Tiberius, Caius, Claudius, and Nero (Antiquities 18; 19). We discover this enumeration also in other near contemporaries of John: 4 Ezra 11 and 12; Sibylline Oracles, books 5 and 8; Barnabas, Epistle 4; Suetonius, Lives of the Twelve Caesars; and Dio Cassius’ Roman History 5.

The text of Revelation says of the seven kings "five have fallen." The first five emperors are dead, when John writes. But the verse goes on to say "one is." That is, the sixth one is then reigning even as John wrote. That would be Nero Caesar, who assumed imperial power upon the death of Claudius in October, A.D. 54, and remained emperor until June, A.D. 68.

John continues: "The other is not yet come; and when he comes, he must continue a short space." When the Roman Civil Wars broke out in rebellion against him, Nero committed suicide on June 8, A.D. 68. The seventh king was "not yet come." That would be Galba, who assumed power in June, A.D. 68. But he was only to continue a "short space." His reign lasted but six months, until January 15, A.D. 69. Thus, we see that while John wrote, Nero was still alive and Galba was looming in the near future. Revelation could not have been written after June, A.D. 68, according to the internal political evidence. In this vision we discover strong evidence that Revelation was written before the death of Nero, which occurred on June 8, A.D. 68.

The woman/whore represents apostate Jerusalem and sitting on the beast means she has the political power she controls the beast. A beast is a symbol used to depict a political state, such as the lion, bear, and leopard of Daniel 7, representing the kingdoms of Babylon, Medo-Persian and Greece respectively.

The ten horns of the beast (17:12-17) are defined as ten kings or provincial governors who aided in the war against the Lamb Christ. verse 14. Farrar lists ten major provinces that constituted the Roman Empire in the days of Nero–namely: Italy, Achaia, Asia, Syria, Egypt, Africa, Spain, Gaul, Britain and Germany. They united with Nero in the matter of war against the Lamb, and of Christian persecution.

The interpretive angel further explains the identify the harlot woman in his vision: The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the filthiness of her fornication. (Revelation 17:4) The garment of this women is the exact garment of the high priest of Israel, according to the Bible, contained specific colors:

"Now take Aaron your brother, and his sons with him, from among the children of Israel, that he may minister to Me as priest, Aaron and Aaron's sons: Nadab, Abihu, Eleazar, and Ithamar. And you shall make holy garments for Aaron your brother, for glory and for beauty. So you shall speak to all who are gifted artisans, whom I have filled with the spirit of wisdom, that they may make Aaron's garments, to consecrate him, that he may minister to Me as priest. And these are the garments which they shall make: a breastplate, an ephod, a robe, a skillfully woven tunic, a turban, and a sash. So they shall make holy garments for Aaron your brother and his sons, that he may minister to Me as priest. "They shall take the gold, blue, purple, and scarlet thread, and the fine linen, and they shall make the ephod of gold, blue, purple, and scarlet thread, and fine woven linen, artistically worked. It shall have two shoulder straps joined at its two edges, and so it shall be joined together. And the intricately woven band of the ephod, which is on it, shall be of the same workmanship, made of gold, blue, purple, and scarlet thread, and fine woven linen. "Then you shall take two onyx stones and engrave on them the names of the sons of Israel: (Exodus 28:1-9)

The garments of the high priest include gold, purple, scarlet, and blue. This de scri ption is of the woman of (Revelation 17:4)

John now move around to a different point of observation and takes another picture that makes the harlot woman becomes ever clearer. And on her forehead a name was written: MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I marveled with great amazement. (Revelation 17:5-6)

cont'd...........

The above lengthy post is a study all by itself.

The short and sweet advice for any serious Bible scholar of End Times events is two-fold.

First, is that text imagery of human/animal hybrids are meant to convey three possible meanings; a system, a religion or a nation/empire.  Horns proceeding out of the head of these human/animal hybrids are leaders or a succession of leaders.  Keep this simple benchmark in mind when you review the predictions of Daniel or Revelation.

Second, is that the overwhelming interpretations of End Times events were codified in the late 16the century by Jesuit priest Francisco Ribera in the Catholic doctrine of FUTURISM.  His intent, certified by the Vatican, was to distract and deceive even the elect (saved persons) if possible.  Google it.  In the mid-19th century John Nelson Darby put a new coat of paint on the old doctrines and called it DISPENSATIONALISM.   It was the same old garbage in a new Americanized wrapper and Christians who were weary of civil war bought it - along with the general climate of spiritism (seances, ouija, false prophecy, etc.).   Mostly they still do even though many churches in foreign lands have rigidly rejected the heresy.

One must study scripture with one eye firmly focused on the meaning of human/animal hybrids (the Bible interprets itself), and with another eye on history.

For instance, the sea beast of Revelation 13 is not a man as is accepted by FUTURISM and Christian novelizations of the End Times.  The sea beast is a global religion based on a city of seven hills (Rome).  Revelation 17 interprets the sea as "many peoples, nations and tongues".  Thus the beast is not a man.   It's the Roman Catholic church. FUTURISM is meant to distract and deceive the reader from this Biblical truth.   

Revelation 13:3 predicts that one of the horns (leaders) of the religion would be killed and later returned to life.  In 1797 a Napoleonic general entered Rome, seized Vatican real estate and assets and arrested the Pope.  The Pope later died in prison two years later (1799).   In the year 1929 Italian dictator Benito Mussolini, wishing to cement his authority, returned Vatican real estate to the Catholic church and gave it a grant of money for the transition.  This was called the Lateran Treaty and all the world celebrated Mussolini's gracious gift to the church.   Google it.  This is a clear and present fulfillment of Revelation's prophecy, yet the RCC would not have us believe it.   

The Bible still speaks to us today and its message is chillingly accurate.  Jesus IS coming back and He is coming back soon.

2 Tim 2:15

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Re: Revelation's symbolic language
« Reply #226 on: Tue Aug 31, 2021 - 04:08:17 »
First, is that text imagery of human/animal hybrids are meant to convey three possible meanings; a system, a religion or a nation/empire.
Pretty close.  Prophetic "animals" represent ethnic groups.  That corresponds to nations most of the time... though they can exist without being an independent nation.

For instance, the dog is the symbol of the Canaanites, despite the fact that at the time of the New Testament, the Canaanites had no government of their own, and were entirely subject to the Romans (whose symbol is the eagle), and through much of the Old Testament were subjects of the Egyptians (whose symbol is the wolf).

The symbols also are used freely in the 4 gospels.  Try inserting "Canaanites" for "dogs" and "Israelites" for "sheep" as you read through them, and you will find it works remarkably well.

Jarrod