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Romans 9:13 As it is written, "Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated."

Just a question Let’s say I pray and ask for the Holy Spirit

Luke 11:13 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!"
Let say He the Holy Spirit does the choosing, for I know it not the will of man but God himself

Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen."

And I ask is those which are fist shall be the last to be saved, for whatever the reason, but now those who came last became shall first to be saved, but few are chosen or is it something unknown?

Matthew 20:16 So the last will be first, and the first last. For many are called, but few chosen."

Now I see some will of man is not going to God, or not knows of the Lord for some unknown reason, that the individual must be first draws to seek for salvation by being to call out the Holy Spirit

John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

John 6:44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day.

And it’s only on the last day, not days or weeks, which no one knows day or hour, but he doesn’t say the year?

Matthew 24:36 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.

Not even Christ knows, the day and the hour

Mark 13:32 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

Now I see those who are only anointed, that do have the Holy Spirit, by God has chosen one, he says that they are few in number

Matthew 16:19-20 And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."
Then He commanded His disciples that they should tell no one that He was Jesus the Christ.

Acts 8:14-17 Now when the apostles who were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them, who, when they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit.
For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Then they laid hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.

Out of the many, there are few that find salvation, but there are few who do so, we never know who are these people, they can be anyone or someone you don’t like

Matthew 7:12-13 Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.
"Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.

I see this; if there is danger and you don’t see the danger, it will overcome you, if tell you the danger you prepare your family for the danger, but how do you know when this danger will come

Romans 9:13 As it is written, "J cob I have loved, but Esau I have hated."
Let's say I am Ezekiel with a little touch of Samuel, now I'll be like the Son of Man

We read in Ezekiel 33:1-20 Again the word of the LORD came to me, saying,
"Son of man, speak to the children of your people, and say to them: 'When I bring the sword upon a land, and the people of the land take a man from their territory and make him their watchman,

I Say it this way
NLT “Son of man, give a warning with Grace the people of all nations this is the message: I will bring a sword against a country, the people of that land choose one of their own to be a watchman.

when he sees the sword coming upon the land if he blows the trumpet and warns the people,
I Say it this way
NLT When the watchman sees the enemy coming, he sounds the alarm to warn the people

Then whoever hears the sound of the trumpet and does not take warning, if the sword comes and takes him away, his blood shall be on his own head.
Then if those who hear were the warning do nothing, refuse to take action, it is their own fault if they die.

I Say it this way
NLT: He or she heard the sound of my words, but did not take warning; his or her blood shall be upon them. But he who here my warning they will save from his and her life
they heard the warning but ignored it, so the responsibility is theirs. If they had listened to the warning, they could have saved their lives.
But if the one that appointed over the congregation sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, to warn the people are not warned, and the sword overtakes(Satan) any person from among them, he or she is taken away from their iniquity, but his blood I will require at the watchman's hand.'
The one that appointed over the congregation
But if the watchman sees the enemy coming and doesn’t sound the alarm to warn the people, he is responsible for their captivity.
They will die in their sins, but I will hold the watchman is responsible for congregation deaths.’

Now God appointed, someone else, overseer of the congregation because they did not tell the people rightly and about the pending warning
"So you, son of man: I have made you a watchman for the house of Israel; therefore you shall hear a word from My mouth and warn them for Me.

I Say it this way
NLT: “Now, son of man, I am making you a watchman for the people of Israel. Therefore, listen to what I say and warn them for me.

When I say to the wicked, 'O wicked man, you shall surely die!' and you do not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity, but his blood I will require at your hand.

The second chance to warn the congregation
If I announce that some sinners are sure to die and you fail to tell them to change their ways, then they will die in their sins, and I will hold you responsible for their deaths.
Meaning the word of the Lord must be given to understand the outcome of the warning with grace.

Nevertheless, if you warn the wicked to turn from his way, and he does not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered your soul.

I Say it this way
NLT: But if you warn them to repent and they don’t repent, they will die in their sins, but you will have saved yourself. Meaning now is the sinners' fault, not the one that was chosen
The second chance to warn the congregation

"Therefore you, O son of man, say to the house of Israel: 'Thus you say, "If our transgressions and our sins lie upon us, and we pine away in them, how we can then live?" '

I Say it this way
NLT: “Son of man, give the people of Israel and my house, this message: You are saying, ‘Our sins are heavy upon us; we are wasting away! How can we survive?’
Say to them: 'As I live,' said the Lord GOD, 'I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked and unbelievers turn from his way and live. Sustain your evil ways! For why should you die O house of Israel?' so you may be saved.

A comment or two
There is no easy way to tell people that time is up, that grace on this world has an end, not knowing even if your loved ones are saved unknown, I say my God Please Save Us Save my family.

He has appointed a day that grace in this world end, but grace for those that who survived this tribulation and those where chosen before the tribulation
Acts 17:30-31 He has appointed a day put not a year

When war world III will comes and is coming in our lifetime he said 2 Peter 2:20

2 Peter 2:20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning.
Meaning as it was the Days of Noah, and it was in the Days of Lot, it will be in your hands, that bring the end

I give these words so that you and I know that no one has all the answers, but now we are in the 21st Century in the year 2020 Ten decades have pass the Hebrew year of today 5778, the sign of times is now, a question, have anyone greatly suffered at any time in one's life, did your friends or parents affected you for the name of Christ, where you bruised for his namesake, did you give up something at the altar to receive the Holy Spirit, how do we know when we are really really saved,
Saved from what?
If I feel that I may not be saved, then my faith in Christ, and living as I wold
Is not salvation is to sanctified and sealed by the Holy Spirit, not by water but by the burning of our souls for the remission of sins?
affected for our sins, at the altar to receive the Holy Spirit?
Not by deeds and works, but that gift of life is eternal, do you even know what is eternal?
This is no Christ can really save me, but the word can, and I do this I find my place make this place a portal to pray every day, and subject myself in the name of Christ.

I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless, I live: yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify: and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin. Now if we are dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

Galatians 2:20; Matthew 23:34; Romans 6:6-8; Galatians 5:11;
Matthew 27:38; Colossians 2:11

Matthew 24:13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved.
The Season
Matthew 24:22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect's sake those days will be shortened.
You know in the winter days are shortened, what do you think?

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Matthew 24:13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved.
The Season
Matthew 24:22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect's sake those days will be shortened.
You know in the winter days are shortened, what do you think?

First, I cannot recognize your point on this thread.  It doesn't help either to have such a long one.

It does look like "the few are chosen" were Jesus' reference to Israel based on His parables to them.

The Matt.24:22 is absolutely speaking about the 1/3 (remnant of Israel) that would be spared from the destruction at Jerusalem in the pulverizing Roman/Jewish war.

We today don't have to be "saved" from that. We just need to overcome obstacles in this life now. Run the "good race," fight the good fight" as Paul declared he did. He's a good model for repentance and redemption.

One final point from me is: you say He has appointed to an unknown day or hour when the world would end. Nothing could be further from the truth. The end was the end of the age. The end of the Old Covenant world of Israel.

The Bible never depicts "the end of the world."

Rest with us (preterists) who know the Bible speaks of a "time of the end" - of Israel's Old covenant heaven and earth.

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Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today, and forever.

 

     
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