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Re: Does your bible say Jesus is going to HELL?
« Reply #70 on: Wed Mar 21, 2012 - 00:07:20 »
And you see inthenow just blow right over this..... SMOOTH THIS OVER FOR US please  

the NIV REMOVES OVER 65,000 WORDS!!!

From what? the original texts? where are they?

Don't look for the "mercyseat" in the NIV - GONE!

KJV Heb_9:5  And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly.
NIV 5 Above the ark were the cherubim of the Glory, overshadowing the atonement cover. But we cannot discuss these things in detail now.


KJV mentions "mercyseat" just once, NIV uses "atonment cover", the greek word used is "hilasterion" which means "lid of the ark"
Perhaps more accurate translation than the KJV.


Don't look for "Jehovah" in the NIV - GONE!
Kjv Isa 12:2  Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation
 NIV Isaiah 12:2 Surely God is my salvation;
   I will trust and not be afraid.
The LORD, the LORD himself, is my strength and my defense[a];
   he has become my salvation.

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Re: Does your bible say Jesus is going to HELL?
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Re: Does your bible say Jesus is going to HELL?
« Reply #71 on: Sat Mar 24, 2012 - 20:09:39 »
"Daystar son of dawn" appears in the Jerusale Bible which is the most accurate of the 7 versions I have. It is clearly a name for Satan who is associated with the planet Venus which is the "Daystar seen at dawn"
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Re: Does your bible say Jesus is going to HELL?
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Re: Does your bible say Jesus is going to HELL?
« Reply #72 on: Fri Mar 30, 2012 - 10:20:53 »

I have seen that the NIV certinally has translation errors, perhaps they all do, but to imply it's satanic as KB does continually is untrue. The bible is not satanic no matter how many flaws have occured over the ages.
It's God inspired, and if any man has purposeally changed verses for an evil agenda, God will deal with that.
Being God inspired would include translators along with the original writers, would it not?
If Kb want's to show that the translators have purposely changed wording for an evil agenda then he should do that instead of calling that bible satanic.


inthenow,
The bible says in the beginning was the Word, I think everyone agrees that the Word is Jesus Christ, I also think everyone agrees that the Word is the Word of God, the bible. If Jesus is the Word, then there is only one Word, if two bibles contradict, both can't be correct. Also if Jesus is the Word, it cannot have errors, Jesus was and is without spot.

My rule of thumb is this, if a translation contradicts itself, it cannot be the true Word of God. Here is an example from the NIV:

NIV Isa 14:12 How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!

The NIV is incorrect in assigning a title of Jesus Christ (Morning Star) and a title for Satan (son of the dawn morning) to the same being, this is a direct contradiction.



Morning star, isn't bright morning star, it's very flimsy to use that to say that the NIV bible couldn't be the true Word of God.
If a contradiction can be found in other bibles, then they are not the true word of God, according to your reasoning.
But the NIV saying in rev that Christ is "the bright and morning star", and saying in Isaiah that lucifer is "morning star, son of the dawn" is not a contradiction unless you do as KB did and remove bright from the rev. verse, and ignore son of the dawn in the Isaiah verse.
And what can we judge by, where are the original writings or exact copies of them that we can go on?


So we see inthenow say that MORNING STAR (Satan) is not the same as BRIGHT and MORNING STAR (Jesus)

see what inthenow does not understand about the demonic. Niv bible is that DEMONIC BIBLES DONE BY SATAN ALWAYS ALWAYS contain ERROR! the NIV also says this in 2Peter 1:19

And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.


So now the NIV tells us the MORNING STAR (Satan) is a promise to arise in the believers HEART!!!!


You can't learn from corrupt bibles and CORRUPT DEMONIC BIBLES like the NIV always show that only Gods TRUE word for those who discern between good and evil will work!


So again tell everyone I'm being boastful but, I boast in my knowledge of Christ and tell the truth!


The word of God always can find and destroy false beliefs just like false bible

again I say: the NIV bible is DEMONIC!  Believers do not listen to those who tell you it's Gods word...

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Re: Does your bible say Jesus is going to HELL?
« Reply #73 on: Fri Mar 30, 2012 - 10:33:58 »
"Daystar son of dawn" appears in the Jerusale Bible which is the most accurate of the 7 versions I have. It is clearly a name for Satan who is associated with the planet Venus which is the "Daystar seen at dawn"

what people don't understand is that why do you think that is? That Venus is called the daystar and associated with Satan?  To confuse the believer on the subject!

Again the DAYSTAR is NOT SATAN! The daystar is the promise to believers to arise is their hearts!

To say the daystar is Satan is what the Antichrist kingdom will be saying and with MANY CHRISTIANS echoing the same it appears....



I had told a poster on another forum that ALL trinitys come from the father/son/holy spirit.

She replied that the Egyptian trinity was before the Christian trintiy..

And I reminded her that Satan knew of the trinity of father/son/hs before the egyptians WERE!

Satan named tha planet Venus the morning star or daystar for a reason and the reason is right here..


Remember, the whole unbelieving world already is fooled so Satan is trying this one on the Christians.. (not to say this isn't for the scoffing unbelievers to use against the bible) when they take your morning star or daystar DEMONIC bibles and say see Satan arises in your heart!

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Re: Does your bible say Jesus is going to HELL?
« Reply #74 on: Fri Mar 30, 2012 - 17:09:39 »
"Daystar son of dawn" appears in the Jerusale Bible which is the most accurate of the 7 versions I have. It is clearly a name for Satan who is associated with the planet Venus which is the "Daystar seen at dawn"

Just curious, why do you say the Jerusale Bible is the most accurate?

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Re: Does your bible say Jesus is going to HELL?
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Re: Does your bible say Jesus is going to HELL?
« Reply #75 on: Fri Mar 30, 2012 - 18:55:30 »
So either way the NIV traps you

if Jesus is the BRIGHT AND MORNING STAR
and you say Satan (Is14:12) is the MORNING STAR
then the NIV says the MORNING STAR (Satan) arises in believers hearts.


When we are changed at His (Jesus) coming (rapture) this is when the daystar (God) arises in our hearts at our bodies changing to incorruptible....

So the NIV really says Jesus is going to hell
then it gets you with satans rising in your heart

either way it works for Satan but not for Christ

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« Reply #76 on: Fri Mar 30, 2012 - 19:55:11 »

I have seen that the NIV certinally has translation errors, perhaps they all do, but to imply it's satanic as KB does continually is untrue. The bible is not satanic no matter how many flaws have occured over the ages.
It's God inspired, and if any man has purposeally changed verses for an evil agenda, God will deal with that.
Being God inspired would include translators along with the original writers, would it not?
If Kb want's to show that the translators have purposely changed wording for an evil agenda then he should do that instead of calling that bible satanic.


inthenow,
The bible says in the beginning was the Word, I think everyone agrees that the Word is Jesus Christ, I also think everyone agrees that the Word is the Word of God, the bible. If Jesus is the Word, then there is only one Word, if two bibles contradict, both can't be correct. Also if Jesus is the Word, it cannot have errors, Jesus was and is without spot.

My rule of thumb is this
, if a translation contradicts itself, it cannot be the true Word of God. Here is an example from the NIV:

NIV Isa 14:12 How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!

The NIV is incorrect in assigning a title of Jesus Christ (Morning Star) and a title for Satan (son of the dawn morning) to the same being, this is a direct contradiction.



Morning star, isn't bright morning star, it's very flimsy to use that to say that the NIV bible couldn't be the true Word of God.
If a contradiction can be found in other bibles, then they are not the true word of God, according to your reasoning.
But the NIV saying in rev that Christ is "the bright and morning star", and saying in Isaiah that lucifer is "morning star, son of the dawn" is not a contradiction unless you do as KB did and remove bright from the rev. verse, and ignore son of the dawn in the Isaiah verse.
And what can we judge by, where are the original writings or exact copies of them that we can go on?


So we see inthenow say that MORNING STAR (Satan) is not the same as BRIGHT and MORNING STAR (Jesus)

see what inthenow does not understand about the demonic. Niv bible is that DEMONIC BIBLES DONE BY SATAN ALWAYS ALWAYS contain ERROR! the NIV also says this in 2Peter 1:19

And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.


So now the NIV tells us the MORNING STAR (Satan) is a promise to arise in the believers HEART!!!!


You can't learn from corrupt bibles and CORRUPT DEMONIC BIBLES like the NIV always show that only Gods TRUE word for those who discern between good and evil will work!


So again tell everyone I'm being boastful but, I boast in my knowledge of Christ and tell the truth!


The word of God always can find and destroy false beliefs just like false bible

again I say: the NIV bible is DEMONIC!  Believers do not listen to those who tell you it's Gods word...
KnowledgeBomb:
"My rule of thumb is this"

Theres your problem, "your rule", I don't see many experts saying the NIV Bible is demonic, and I searched, theres just one or two where you copied and pasted from, for your argument.

I don't know if the NIV Bible is demonic like you say or not, but I know your argument for such is flawed.
You have cited one of the things evil about the NIV is that it has in 1Timothy 3:16 called God Him, instead of God.
I pointed out that the KJV Bible has done the same:
KJV Col_2:9  For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
And in lower case letters too.
And for the same verse, the NIV Bible say's "Christ"
So is the KJV Bible evil there?


KB:
The NIV perverts the deity of Jesus Christ!

I TIMOTHY 3:16: The clearest verse in the Bible proclaiming that Jesus Christ was God. The King James Bible (KJB) reads, "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH. . ." The King James says, plainly, "GOD was manifest in the flesh". The NIV reads, "HE appeared in a body". The NIV "twists" "GOD" to "HE". "HE appeared in a body"? So What? Everyone has "appeared in a body"! "He" is a pronoun that refers to a noun or antecedent. There is no antecedent in the context! The statement does NOT make sense! The NIV subtilty (see Genesis 3:1) perverts I Timothy 3:16 into utter nonsense!

NIV say's HE appeared in the flesh" and dosn't say "in a body"

NIV He appeared in the flesh
KJV God was manifest in the flesh

So does the KJV. They are saying the same thing.



Don't look for the "Godhead" in the NIV - GONE!

KJV Col_2:9  For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
NIV 9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,

Godhead is mentioned three times in the KJV, Godhead is "theotes" which means "divinity"
Both verses are correct, but the NIV say's "Christ" where the KJV only say's "him", and in lower case letters,
quick KB cover your eyes from that satanic evil.

I can't find the experts saying the NIV is demonic, just you.
And KB find someone else to discuss it with, I'm not interisted in your flawed argument.



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Re: Does your bible say Jesus is going to HELL?
« Reply #77 on: Fri Mar 30, 2012 - 20:00:00 »
Another thing, this thread is not a end time forum topic.
In theology they might give the answers.

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Re: Does your bible say Jesus is going to HELL?
« Reply #78 on: Sat Mar 31, 2012 - 18:09:47 »
I'll make this simple for you INTHENOW


If MORNING STAR is SATAN (Is14:12) (you say)

(and 2 Peter 1:19 says as a promise to believers)

the MORNING STAR (Satan) arises in a believers heart



You don't understand this?


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« Reply #79 on: Sat Mar 31, 2012 - 18:16:06 »
As for 1 TIM 3:16


The NIV takes out the word GOD changing it to HE


This takes away that JESUS is GOD

do you not understand this?

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Re: Does your bible say Jesus is going to HELL?
« Reply #80 on: Sat Mar 31, 2012 - 18:20:57 »
INTHENOW said:

Theres your problem, "your rule", I don't see many experts saying the NIV Bible is demonic, and I searched, theres just one or two where you copied and pasted from, for your argument.


END END END

KNOWLEDGE BOMB replies:

I didn't say "Rule of thumb"


That was EDEN....


Do I make you harden your heart?

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« Reply #81 on: Sun Apr 01, 2012 - 05:02:06 »
I'll make this simple for you INTHENOW

If MORNING STAR is SATAN (Is14:12) (you say)

Yes Is 14:12 is speaking of satan as I say.
You insist on calling Him morning star, my Bible calls him son of the morning, get over it.


(and 2 Peter 1:19 says as a promise to believers)

the MORNING STAR (Satan) arises in a believers heart

Truly 2Peter 1:19 isn't speaking of satan but Jesus.
My Bible calls Him "the day dawn and the day star", get over it.


You don't understand this?

You are still confused. You didn't make it simple enough for yourself.


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Re: Does your bible say Jesus is going to HELL?
« Reply #82 on: Sun Apr 01, 2012 - 05:15:21 »

As for 1 TIM 3:16


The NIV takes out the word GOD changing it to HE


This takes away that JESUS is GOD

No it dosn't, capital HE is for God.

In the King James version of Col_2:9 they take away "Christ" and replace it with" him" in lower case letters.
So according to you the KJV must be demonically inspired.
And the New International version say's Christ.
What say you about that?
KJV Col_2:9  For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
NIV 2:9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,


do you not understand this?

I know you don't understand that.

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Re: Does your bible say Jesus is going to HELL?
« Reply #83 on: Sun Apr 01, 2012 - 05:17:44 »
INTHENOW said:

Theres your problem, "your rule", I don't see many experts saying the NIV Bible is demonic, and I searched, theres just one or two where you copied and pasted from, for your argument.


END END END

KNOWLEDGE BOMB replies:

I didn't say "Rule of thumb"


That was EDEN....


Do I make you harden your heart?
::noworries:: weird.

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Re: Does your bible say Jesus is going to HELL?
« Reply #84 on: Sun Apr 01, 2012 - 10:11:29 »
All this points to the need for a refresher course in hermeneutics the correct understanding of what is meant by a passage rather than simply what it says.

Proverbs 26:4-5 (KJV)
4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

Well, which is it?

Both.

The confusion is in the imperfection of human language and interpretation not the word of God (capital letters notwithstanding).


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Re: Does your bible say Jesus is going to HELL?
« Reply #85 on: Sun Apr 01, 2012 - 19:00:38 »
All this points to the need for a refresher course in hermeneutics the correct understanding of what is meant by a passage rather than simply what it says.

Proverbs 26:4-5 (KJV)
4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

Well, which is it?

Both.

The confusion is in the imperfection of human language and interpretation not the word of God (capital letters notwithstanding).


He is confused indeed.
But KB dosn't believe you.
One of the reasons he say's the NIV bible is demonically inspired, is because it uses "HE" for God in a verse.
Capital "HE" for God is good, just the capital "H" would do, no upper case would do, most know who is being spoken off.
 
"Lord" is good for Jesus, and LORD" is good for Jehovah, as in:
Psa_110:1  A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
I would understand what is said without any upper case letters, but KB likes to run with something and will not admit error, rather than be right.

I pointed out that the KJV Bible also uses "he" somewhere instead of Christ, and that in lower case letters.
But apparently it's okay for the KJV version to do that, as he hasn't said that it's demonic also.

Not to be shown to be wrong is more important than being right, to him.

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Re: Does your bible say Jesus is going to HELL?
« Reply #86 on: Mon Apr 02, 2012 - 13:46:50 »
Intherut says:

No it dosn't, capital HE is for God.

KNOWLEDGE BOMB replies:

TOO FUNNY....  So why ever use the word God we can just make all captial HE's


I give up trying to make you learn.... 

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Re: Does your bible say Jesus is going to HELL?
« Reply #87 on: Mon Apr 02, 2012 - 18:33:33 »
Knowledge Bomb:
Intherut says:

That spirit is still with you.

No it dosn't, capital HE is for God.

KNOWLEDGE BOMB replies:

TOO FUNNY....  So why ever use the word God we can just make all captial HE's


I give up trying to make you learn....

What a blessing, thank you God.  

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Re: Does your bible say Jesus is going to HELL?
« Reply #88 on: Tue Apr 03, 2012 - 00:46:35 »
KB:
(footnotes are NOT GODs WORD and shouldn't be a part of anyones bible)

Kb the ultimate authority

The gate (Jesus) is strait and if you follow Christ he leads right to the gate...and Life
(his burden is easy and his yoke is light) and it's EASY to find that gate if you follow Jesus to it....

You say: "the gate is Jesus (brackets), and if you follow Christ he leads right to the gate
and it's EASY to find that gate if you follow Jesus to it....
  ::noworries::

So what's wrong with the NIV?  In a word... EVERYTHING!
My sweet KJV!

   whoooooo

 

     
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