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Re: The "lost tribes of Israel" are the Christian European Countries.
« Reply #30 on: February 06, 2010, 03:30:39 PM »
Sorry whirlwind  I misunderstood what you were saying - that will teach me to read things properly lol. ::kissing:: 

The "lost tribes" teaching I have heard is that the ten lost tribes were assimilated into the Gentiles and that the gentile nations are now the lost tribes.  I don't believe the tribes were lost though.  My reasoning for this is that in Ezekiel we see that Israel and Judah were both in Judah before the Babylonian's took Judah captive: Eze 9:9  Then said he unto me, The iniquity of the house of Israel and Judah is exceeding great, and the land is full of blood, and the city full of perverseness: for they say, The LORD hath forsaken the earth, and the LORD seeth not.   And also Jeremiah shows Israel being punished by both Assyria and Babylon: Jer 50:17  Israel is a scattered sheep; the lions have driven him away: first the king of Assyria hath devoured him; and last this Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon hath broken his bones.   If Israel was lost after the Assyrian captivity how can Babylon punish them?

Now if we say that the house of Israel was lost after the Babylonian captivity why does Jeremiah say this: Jer 50:4  In those days, and in that time, saith the LORD, the children of Israel shall come, they and the children of Judah together, going and weeping: they shall go, and seek the LORD their God.   Jeremiah here speaks of not just Judah coming back after the Babylonian captivity but of Israel coming back to.  Also Nehemiah speaks of Israelite's in the land after the Babylonian captivity: Neh 11:3  Now these are the chief of the province that dwelt in Jerusalem: but in the cities of Judah dwelt every one in his possession in their cities, to wit, Israel, the priests, and the Levites, and the Nethinims, and the children of Solomon's servants.

These verses speak of Israel coming back - not just one or two from the tribe or a family here or there.  I will stick with what God says and He clearly shows that no tribes were lost before or after the Assyrian or Babylon captivities.



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Re: The "lost tribes of Israel" are the Christian European Countries.
« Reply #31 on: February 06, 2010, 04:53:35 PM »
Sorry whirlwind  I misunderstood what you were saying - that will teach me to read things properly lol. ::kissing:: 

The "lost tribes" teaching I have heard is that the ten lost tribes were assimilated into the Gentiles and that the gentile nations are now the lost tribes.  I don't believe the tribes were lost though.  My reasoning for this is that in Ezekiel we see that Israel and Judah were both in Judah before the Babylonian's took Judah captive: Eze 9:9  Then said he unto me, The iniquity of the house of Israel and Judah is exceeding great, and the land is full of blood, and the city full of perverseness: for they say, The LORD hath forsaken the earth, and the LORD seeth not.   And also Jeremiah shows Israel being punished by both Assyria and Babylon: Jer 50:17  Israel is a scattered sheep; the lions have driven him away: first the king of Assyria hath devoured him; and last this Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon hath broken his bones.   If Israel was lost after the Assyrian captivity how can Babylon punish them?

You've hit upon a spiritual teaching.  The literal city of Jerusalem is symbolic of us....believers, the church, His holy city.  In [Ezekiel 9:3-7] He sends the man clothed in linen through His spiritual city Jerusalem to spiritually mark His children.  That city is both the house of Israel and the house of Judah.  We, as His city, are full of perverseness and blood but we shall be cleansed!  Those he marks can't be touched but....not the others.  They will be deceived. 

[Jeremiah 50:17] also deals with the future and is spiritual.  The Assyrian and king of Babylon are symbolic of Satan who take us captive with deception. They were literal historic figures but they serve as examples for the beasts we now face. 

  • 1 Corinthians 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.


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Now if we say that the house of Israel was lost after the Babylonian captivity why does Jeremiah say this: Jer 50:4  In those days, and in that time, saith the LORD, the children of Israel shall come, they and the children of Judah together, going and weeping: they shall go, and seek the LORD their God.   Jeremiah here speaks of not just Judah coming back after the Babylonian captivity but of Israel coming back to.  Also Nehemiah speaks of Israelite's in the land after the Babylonian captivity:


Consider the timing of that passage.   "Babylon is taken."  [50:2]  In "those days and in that time," is during the seventh trump.  The "two sticks" of Ezekiel are then one.  The two houses are one again. 



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Neh 11:3  Now these are the chief of the province that dwelt in Jerusalem: but in the cities of Judah dwelt every one in his possession in their cities, to wit, Israel, the priests, and the Levites, and the Nethinims, and the children of Solomon's servants. [/color]


There "Israel" is the common name of the nation....but not inclusive of the ten tribes who were long gone. 


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These verses speak of Israel coming back - not just one or two from the tribe or a family here or there.  I will stick with what God says and He clearly shows that no tribes were lost before or after the Assyrian or Babylon captivities.


When Jesus sent His disciples to the lost sheep it was after the captivites.  The house of Judah was present and accounted for but not the house of Israel. 


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Re: The "lost tribes of Israel" are the Christian European Countries.
« Reply #32 on: February 06, 2010, 05:02:59 PM »
Sorry whirlwind but I just don't see anywhere in scripture that states they were lost and not known of  for any length of time.  If you spiritualize verses you can make them say what you want and how you want.  I am going to bow out of this thread now as I can see we won't agree.  God's blessings be upon you my sister in Christ.

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« Reply #33 on: February 06, 2010, 05:16:29 PM »
Sorry whirlwind but I just don't see anywhere in scripture that states they were lost and not known of  for any length of time.  If you spiritualize verses you can make them say what you want and how you want.  I am going to bow out of this thread now as I can see we won't agree.  God's blessings be upon you my sister in Christ.
The Mystery of Christ hidden from all the ages is the fact that Gentiles have become grafted in through the Northern Ten tribes of Israel through the promise of Ephraim.

Paul taught this in Romans 9:24, Ephesians teaches it, Galations, Peter, Timothy and you can find it many places.

If you do not know the history, then you read the New Testament completely unaware of what is being said in the bulk of the scriptures.

God said in Hosea that the Ten tribes would not have any children, in fact he said if one were to get pregnant that he would kill the fruit of the womb, Ezekiel and Isaiah both agree with this.

In the beginning of Hosea it says that God will have no mercy on the House of Israel called Ephraim and his ten tribes.

God said,'' They are not my people''

Paul explains this when telling you how gentiles have been grafted in through the promised resurrection of Ephraim saying,'' Not my people{Ephraim} will be called the sons of the living God.

The Ten tribes have been lost for 2700 years now and this is historical fact.

God said it would happen and it happened.

There are two nations of Israel, The House of Judah and the House of Israel{Ephraim}

They were always two kingdom since the days of Solomon, In 722 b.c. they were lost as Prophecied.

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« Reply #34 on: February 07, 2010, 06:17:31 AM »
Sorry whirlwind but I just don't see anywhere in scripture that states they were lost and not known of  for any length of time.  If you spiritualize verses you can make them say what you want and how you want.  I am going to bow out of this thread now as I can see we won't agree.  God's blessings be upon you my sister in Christ.
The Mystery of Christ hidden from all the ages is the fact that Gentiles have become grafted in through the Northern Ten tribes of Israel through the promise of Ephraim.

Paul taught this in Romans 9:24, Ephesians teaches it, Galations, Peter, Timothy and you can find it many places.

If you do not know the history, then you read the New Testament completely unaware of what is being said in the bulk of the scriptures.


You are correct in that the Gentiles shall be grafted in but grafting in doesn't mean the root is changed....it means the graft becomes of the root.  They become one.  The Gentile becomes Israel.   We are the wild and the natural olive tree. 


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God said in Hosea that the Ten tribes would not have any children, in fact he said if one were to get pregnant that he would kill the fruit of the womb, Ezekiel and Isaiah both agree with this.

In the beginning of Hosea it says that God will have no mercy on the House of Israel called Ephraim and his ten tribes.

God said,'' They are not my people''


Please read Hosea again...to the end of the chapter:

  • Hosea 1:10-11 Yet the number of the children of Israel SHALL BE AS the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not My people, there it shall be said unto them, YE ARE THE SONS OF THE LIVING GOD. Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves One head, and they shall come up out of the land:  for great shall be the day of Jezreel.

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Paul explains this when telling you how gentiles have been grafted in through the promised resurrection of Ephraim saying,'' Not my people{Ephraim} will be called the sons of the living God.


  • Romans 9:24-26 Even us, whom He hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?  As He saith also in Osee, I will call them My people, which were not My people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.  And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not My people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

In Hosea/Osee, we are shown the Gentiles being grafted in.  We are NOT told that the tribes are done away with.  The Gentiles that "were not My people" become His people....they become Israel. 



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The Ten tribes have been lost for 2700 years now and this is historical fact.

God said it would happen and it happened.

There are two nations of Israel, The House of Judah and the House of Israel{Ephraim}

They were always two kingdom since the days of Solomon, In 722 b.c. they were lost as Prophecied.

Yes.  He scattered us and that serves His purpose. 

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Re: The "lost tribes of Israel" are the Christian European Countries.
« Reply #35 on: February 11, 2010, 01:37:44 PM »
Sorry whirlwind but I just don't see anywhere in scripture that states they were lost and not known of  for any length of time.  If you spiritualize verses you can make them say what you want and how you want.  I am going to bow out of this thread now as I can see we won't agree.  God's blessings be upon you my sister in Christ.
The Mystery of Christ hidden from all the ages is the fact that Gentiles have become grafted in through the Northern Ten tribes of Israel through the promise of Ephraim.

Paul taught this in Romans 9:24, Ephesians teaches it, Galations, Peter, Timothy and you can find it many places.

If you do not know the history, then you read the New Testament completely unaware of what is being said in the bulk of the scriptures.


You are correct in that the Gentiles shall be grafted in but grafting in doesn't mean the root is changed....it means the graft becomes of the root.  They become one.  The Gentile becomes Israel.   We are the wild and the natural olive tree.  


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God said in Hosea that the Ten tribes would not have any children, in fact he said if one were to get pregnant that he would kill the fruit of the womb, Ezekiel and Isaiah both agree with this.

In the beginning of Hosea it says that God will have no mercy on the House of Israel called Ephraim and his ten tribes.

God said,'' They are not my people''


Please read Hosea again...to the end of the chapter:

  • Hosea 1:10-11 Yet the number of the children of Israel SHALL BE AS the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not My people, there it shall be said unto them, YE ARE THE SONS OF THE LIVING GOD. Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves One head, and they shall come up out of the land:  for great shall be the day of Jezreel.

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Paul explains this when telling you how gentiles have been grafted in through the promised resurrection of Ephraim saying,'' Not my people{Ephraim} will be called the sons of the living God.


  • Romans 9:24-26 Even us, whom He hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?  As He saith also in Osee, I will call them My people, which were not My people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.  And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not My people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

In Hosea/Osee, we are shown the Gentiles being grafted in.  We are NOT told that the tribes are done away with.  The Gentiles that "were not My people" become His people....they become Israel.  



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The Ten tribes have been lost for 2700 years now and this is historical fact.

God said it would happen and it happened.

There are two nations of Israel, The House of Judah and the House of Israel{Ephraim}

They were always two kingdom since the days of Solomon, In 722 b.c. they were lost as Prophecied.

Yes.  He scattered us and that serves His purpose.  
I sat for a while and wondered to myself how I would begin a debate with somebody who has never heard of the ten lost tribes. ::whistle::

Where is Ephraim, where is Samaria, where is Joseph, Where is the House of Israel, Where is the Northern Kingom?

Where is Gilead?

Where are the Shechemites?

Where are the oaks of Bashan and the cedars of Lebanon?

Maybe you should inquire of the nation of Israel to see where Ephraim has gone because they are unaware.

They have found Hebew writings amongst the Cherokee nation and they now accept the Cherokee as being one of the lost tribes, They are also looking to Sheba in Ethiopia considering they might have found one of their brothers.

The prophecies state that in the last days Joseph will suddenly be found and the two will become one in that day and conquer the entire world.

They mourn for their brother for this reason.

In Zechariah the Jews see a Messiah of Joseph pierced and they admit that the whole nation will mourn for this Messiah but they also know that Joseph is in the hands of Ephraim and Ephraim is no more.

In the last day, the Tents of Joseph will be found suddenly in a day and the children of Joseph will gleam in pride for their fathers.

Suddenly, millions upon millions who were once dead are found and the stick of Ephraim will become one with Judah.

This has never happened.

Can you read all these names?

Read Hosea again and wonder to yourself why Paul quotes the Prophcy of Ephraim's resurrection concerning gentiles.

Read it slowly because what it says exactly is that God would kill and drive Ephraim{Ten tribes of Israel} into the nations and there they would become gentiles.

It says that they would have no children and God would not accept them back until they became gentiles.

They did become gentiles and as such, they have the right to return if they repent and do what is required of Ephraim to do.

This is why Paul explains how gentiles are grafted through the promised resurrection of the house of Israel called Ephraim.

Jesus called Gentiles from Galilee, from the land iof Naphtali and Zebulun and all the ten tribes specifically after his resurrection.

He sent his spirit before the disciples into the land of Gentiles which belonged to Ephraim to call forth the lost children of the House of Israel called Ephraim.

Only as Gentiles would Ephraim be accepted.

Even the Talmud speaks of it.

If you do not know that Joseph is lost, how will you be found?

If you do not know that the House of Israel is lost then how do you have a covenant?

If you do not know that Gilead has been threshed, how will you stand in the void?

If you do not know that Joseph's bones call out for you, how will you heed the call?

If you do not know the responsibilities of Ephraim on his return, How will you be gathered?

You wont, If you have not stood in the void and filled the gap in Joseph, you have no covenant because the covenants and promises are only given to Joseph and Judah and Joseph is in the hand of Ephraim.

Everything you quoted in the New Testament backs up the facts I am giving you.

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« Reply #36 on: April 07, 2012, 11:14:03 PM »
Yes, the lost tribes are today "grafted branches" onto the root of Israel. Rm.11;17

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« Reply #37 on: April 09, 2012, 03:17:47 AM »
Greece in it's entirety is the only Christian country (I think). A person can't even get a birth certificate without the name being approved by the church to make sure it is a Greek Christian name. Those lazy good for nothings are control freaks.

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Those lazy good for nothings are control freaks.

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« Reply #39 on: April 10, 2012, 10:36:35 AM »
Greece in it's entirety is the only Christian country (I think). A person can't even get a birth certificate without the name being approved by the church to make sure it is a Greek Christian name.

From what I can tell, there is a small but thriving Jewish community in Greece, numbering about 5000. That number (give or take) was echoed on a number of websites, both Jewish and secular.

http://www.chabad.org/news/article_cdo/aid/962378/jewish/Chabad-House-Opens-in-Salonica.htm

http://www.jewishmuseum.gr/en/information/jews_greece.html

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« Reply #40 on: April 15, 2012, 08:26:48 PM »
The lost tribes have today become grafted onto the European Gentiles as Paul teaches us in Rm.11;17  Each of the 12 European traditional christian cultures are today as one of the 12 grafted branches. In each of these modern "regeneration" tribes can be found and seen the traces of the adopted traits and heritage of that particular son of Israel that they were grafted onto. In the new book at www.christianidentityrevealed2012.com these Christian regenerated tribes are identified.

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« Reply #41 on: April 16, 2012, 03:32:33 AM »
Greece in it's entirety is the only Christian country (I think). A person can't even get a birth certificate without the name being approved by the church to make sure it is a Greek Christian name.

From what I can tell, there is a small but thriving Jewish community in Greece, numbering about 5000. That number (give or take) was echoed on a number of websites, both Jewish and secular.

http://www.chabad.org/news/article_cdo/aid/962378/jewish/Chabad-House-Opens-in-Salonica.htm

http://www.jewishmuseum.gr/en/information/jews_greece.html


I have family and friends that lived there and they are not allowed to speak any language other than Greek and they have Greek names, not allowed to have their ethnic origin names. People are persecuted there for being themselves. I will take what I have seen and known through experience as fact. When traveling there 12 years ago my family was persecuted on the boarder until I showed my American passport and my friend showed his Japanese passport, then we were allowed to enter and they stopped being mean to my family. Another time my father was pulled out of the car thrown on the ground and kicked in front of our family for having the wrong name, all he wanted to do was take us on vacation at the Aegean Sea and he had to be abused first because of our ethnic name and we didn't speak Greek, for some reason or another they expected us to.



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« Reply #42 on: April 16, 2012, 05:18:37 AM »
Don't forget the Bucharest treaty expires in 2012, I think God's plan for the Greeks is unfolding rather nicely.

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« Reply #43 on: April 16, 2012, 05:49:40 AM »
The lost tribes have today become grafted onto the European Gentiles as Paul teaches us in Rm.11;17  Each of the 12 European traditional christian cultures are today as one of the 12 grafted branches. In each of these modern "regeneration" tribes can be found and seen the traces of the adopted traits and heritage of that particular son of Israel that they were grafted onto. In the new book at www.christianidentityrevealed2012.com these Christian regenerated tribes are identified.
To quote Col. Potter from M*A*S*H: "Horse Hockey!"

Archeologists and paleo-anthropologists have tracked the 10 tribes going EAST following the Assyrian exile. None went to Europe.  They are scattered from the Khyber pass to Siberia to eastern China, then south and back west to the Burma India border.

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« Reply #44 on: April 18, 2012, 06:13:52 PM »
Yes, you might be right about Greece being a part of a plan. Greek Orrthodoxy is as Rachel to the regenerated Christian tribes of Israel. In the book at www.christianidentityrevealed2012.com there are charts and maps describing this.