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Title: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: BlessedCreator on Wed Apr 22, 2020 - 13:59:46
Edit: Please remember to do your own diligent research on doctrines/prophecies that God has given us. Make sure everything lines up with what God has revealed to you. I may be wrong and do not want anyone to believe something as not %100 true, so please do your further research of your own and let God teach you.

There is no literal physical third temple that will be built.
The third temple doctrine comes from 2 Thessalonians 2:4.
"Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so
that he as God sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God."

It indeed is speaking of the man of sin, the false messiah, the Antichrist.
But it is not speaking of a literal temple.

Here is commentary from Ellicott on 2 Thessalonians 2:4.
"Though the image is drawn from the Jewish temple, we may say with some confidence that
St. Paul did not expect the Antichrist as a prose fact to take his seat in that edifice.
Neither is the metaphor to be pressed into a mere synonym of "the Church" (1Corinthians 3:17).
The words, so far need not necessarily mean that the Man of Sin will make special
claims upon the Christian community as such. Rather, the whole phrase, "taking his seat in the
temple of God," is a poetical or prophetical description of usurping divine prerogatives
generally: not the prerogatives of the true God alone, but whatever prerogatives have been offered
to anything "called God." Though the prophecy might be fulfilled without any symbolical
act (e.g., of assuming any material throne), yet the spontaneousness ("himself") and the openness
("showing himself") seem so essentially parts of the prophecy as of necessity to imply that the
Man of Sin will make formal claim to occupy that central seat in men's minds and aspirations
which is acknowledged to be due to God alone. The formal making of this claim seems to be identical
with the apocalypse of the Man of Sin, the act by which he is manifested or revealed."

So what does this mean in layman's terms? It means that Antichrist is going to be revealed in
a very grandiose way, as the Lord Jesus Christ will when He comes in the clouds and every eye will see Him.
So shall the Antichrist come, everyone will see him and know of him. All those that are not the true elect
of God will be deceived by the false messiah, the Antichrist into believing that he really is the messiah, that
he really is God. In their minds, which is what the temple of God in this scripture is referring to,
the minds of men and women, in their minds the Antichrist will actually be God to them.

So there is no end time 7 year tribulation period, and there is no literal physical third temple.
What are we looking for? Were looking for the revealing of the false messiah, the Antichrist.
He will deceive many into believing that he is the messiah, that he is God.
God's true elect, those that strictly obey His word, His commandments, His will in this life, that
have made a sacrifice of their lives to devote it to God, to live for God and not themselves, these Christians
will be martyred for their faith. Very few will survive to the end of the world when the Lord returns to
be caught up in the rapture.
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: dpr on Thu Apr 23, 2020 - 22:24:16
The Daniel 11:31 "abomination of desolation" prophecy that Jesus quoted in His Olivet discourse for the end requires... a standing temple in Jerusalem in order to be fulfilled.

The coming of the "man of sin" to sit in the "temple of God" and proclaim himself as God, according to Apostle Paul in 2 Thess.2:3-4, also requires a standing stone temple in Jerusalem at the end for it to be fulfilled.

The Matthew 24:23-26 prophecy Jesus gave about 'a spurious Messiah' coming to Jerusalem and the deceived say 'Christ is here, or there', requires a temple be built in association with his coming, because per Zechariah 6 Christ is build the temple when he comes. The false Messiah/Antichrist will try to mimic that, and the orthodox Jews in Jerusalem will oblige.

The Revelation 13 Scripture about the setup of the "image of the beast" idol in false worship also requires a standing stone temple in Jerusalem for the end, because that idol is what the "abomination of desolation" in Daniel 11:31 is about. That "another beast" of Rev.13 is the same one Jesus warned of in Matthew 24:23-26 that is to come working the great signs and wonders to deceive the whole world with.

Thus there is PLENTY Bible Scripture to show the prophetic requirement of a standing Jewish temple in Jerusalem for the end in association with the false working of the coming Antichrist/pseudo-Messiah.
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: robycop3 on Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 16:00:43
  DPR is right.

  The Jews have plans to build a new temple in Jerusalem; they recently consecrated an altar to be placed in it, & are breeding the animals such as red heifers to be used in temple rites. The only thing holding them back is TIMING. They already have the materials gathered, & the instruments to be used in its rites made. They can erect it very quickly when the time is right.
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: BlessedCreator on Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 17:41:51
And what if they are just Satan's agents pushing the false literal third temple, teasing those that are watching and waiting and making them watch for false signs. When the real temple is already built, your mind. Ready to receive the antichrist if you aren't prepared in faith with God.
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: robycop3 on Sat Apr 25, 2020 - 07:37:05
And what if they are just Satan's agents pushing the false literal third temple, teasing those that are watching and waiting and making them watch for false signs. When the real temple is already built, your mind. Ready to receive the antichrist if you aren't prepared in faith with God.

  It's my faith in God and His word that shapes my belief about a new temple in Jerusalem. That temple must be built so the coming beast/antichrist can commit the AOD in it.

  There shoulde be no doubt those people are Jews, given their history. While the genealogies before the Roman conquest are gone, and many of them are of "mixed" ancestry, many of them have genealogies fromthe 1st century AD when there was no doubt they were Jews. remember, God is not finished with the Jews or the rest of Israel. He promised to restore them, and He will. This should be apparent by the rise of modern Israel from nothing !

  The Jews' rejection of Jesus as Messiah won't last forever. Jesus is gonna make Himself known to them in no uncertain manner.

  But, meanwhile, back at the ranch...

   Paul wrote in 2 Thess. 2:4 that the man of sin would sit in the temple & proclaim himself to be God. this didn't happen in the old temple, but, as Scripture is always 100% correct, it WILL happen, but there must be a temple for it to happen in. And the Jews will build it in Jerusalem.
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: lea on Sat Apr 25, 2020 - 14:17:07
And what if they are just Satan's agents pushing the false literal third temple, teasing those that are watching and waiting and making them watch for false signs. When the real temple is already built, your mind. Ready to receive the antichrist if you aren't prepared in faith with God.

There will never be another Jewish temple.  Most Christians believe that Christ was the forever ultimate sacrifice of Himself.  Thus,  NO Christian should be looking to the Jewish "LAW" ever again for salvation (forgiveness of sins).
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: robycop3 on Sat Apr 25, 2020 - 17:12:44
There will never be another Jewish temple.  Most Christians believe that Christ was the forever ultimate sacrifice of Himself.  Thus,  NO Christian should be looking to the Jewish "LAW" ever again for salvation (forgiveness of sins).

  Yes, there WILL. it must exist for the abomination of desolation to occur.
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: lea on Sat Apr 25, 2020 - 18:00:50
  Yes, there WILL. it must exist for the abomination of desolation to occur.

Yea, I know, with Israel surrounded by armies of horses too!  Here Mr. Ed!
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: robycop3 on Sun Apr 26, 2020 - 07:15:42
Yea, I know, with Israel surrounded by armies of horses too!  Here Mr. Ed!

  Nuffin in Scripture about Jerusalem being surrounded by hostiles when the AOD occurs.
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: lea on Sun Apr 26, 2020 - 13:52:22
  Nuffin in Scripture about Jerusalem being surrounded by hostiles when the AOD occurs.

Come back when you find enough professionalism to actually write out your views instead of ghastly making shorthand and abbreviations!

Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: robycop3 on Mon Apr 27, 2020 - 08:29:56
Come back when you find enough professionalism to actually write out your views instead of ghastly making shorthand and abbreviations!

M'am, I shall write in any style I jolly well choose, & you may either like it or lump it as you desire.
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: lea on Mon Apr 27, 2020 - 19:01:27
M'am, I shall write in any style I jolly well choose, & you may either like it or lump it as you desire.

Gossiping troll style. No content. Tries to tell us the future. rofl
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: robycop3 on Tue Apr 28, 2020 - 06:13:12
Gossiping troll style. No content. Tries to tell us the future. rofl

Know what "Bah ! Humbug !" means ?
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: dpr on Sat May 16, 2020 - 17:30:53
Why is this thread a double post??

I thought that wasn't allowed?
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: lea on Thu May 21, 2020 - 18:26:16
Why is this thread a double post??

I thought that wasn't allowed?
A standing temple was there in Revelation 11.  That's why you fools can't reconcile in the internal evidence in Revelation being written well before #2 temple was destroyed.
 Before AD70.






Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: robycop3 on Fri May 22, 2020 - 04:41:01
A standing temple was there in Revelation 11.  That's why you fools can't reconcile in the internal evidence in Revelation being written well before #2 temple was destroyed.
 Before AD70.

 Speaking of "fools"...

John was on Patmos, which had no temple of God's on it, so, obviously, the temple he was told to measure was in a vision & not the one in Jerusalem, whose measurements were known.
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: lea on Sun May 24, 2020 - 15:46:40
Speaking of "fools"...

John was on Patmos, which had no temple of God's on it, so, obviously, the temple he was told to measure was in a vision & not the one in Jerusalem, whose measurements were known.
Rev.21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.

10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

John was in the spirit. That's why you can't understand the prophecy.
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: robycop3 on Mon May 25, 2020 - 13:27:07
Rev.21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.

10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

John was in the spirit. That's why you can't understand the prophecy.

Yes, and his vision's fulfillment is still future, of course.
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: Rella on Mon May 25, 2020 - 14:17:44
M'am, I shall write in any style I jolly well choose, & you may either like it or lump it as you desire.

 ::applause:: ::applause:: ::applause:: ::applause:: ::applause::

Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: Rella on Mon May 25, 2020 - 14:22:50
A standing temple was there in Revelation 11.  That's why you fools can't reconcile in the internal evidence in Revelation being written well before #2 temple was destroyed.
 Before AD70.

Not the same temple.

But what will you call it when another temple is rebuilt as prophesied.

They are getting ready. They are getting ready because of their understanding of their religious writings.

What then.

You gonna say it will make for lovely weddings?
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: Rella on Mon May 25, 2020 - 14:33:37
 
Yes, and his vision's fulfillment is still future, of course.

 ::thumbup:: ::thumbup::
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: robycop3 on Mon May 25, 2020 - 15:27:11
  The Jews have all the material ready to build a new temple. They have the "blueprint" of the previous ones to guide them. They're breeding the animals to be used in temple rites, having already bred a supply of red heifers. They have all the instruments made. And they recently consecrated an altar to be placed in it. They will swiftly build it within a few days.

  Now, how they're gonna come by the fire God kindled in the tabernacle long ago, I don't know, but some clever priest will come up with a solution when the time comes.

  The Jews don't wanna start a huge war with Moslems, so they'll wait til the timing is right. One thing not everyone knows is that some professors from Hebrew University, illegally exploring some of the tunnels underneath the Dome of the Rock, found that the Dome is NOT built on the old temple site. it might be a little farther away than first believed. Jewish researchers are diligently trying to find its exact site. While police are preventing any more illegal exploration underneath the Dome, there are many other places where clues may be found without going into Islamic territory.

  It won't REALLY be a "temple of God" since JESUS won't be worshipped in it, but the world will view it as such. it'll be the place where the antichrist will commit the "abomination of desolation".

  When this temple is built, it'll be a huge gut punch for prets, but they'll make more excuses, as all purveyors of bunk do. Most won't abandon their false doctrine, even when faced with such overwhelming evidence against it.
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: lea on Wed May 27, 2020 - 18:45:16

If they try to build another Temple- God will curse it again!
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: robycop3 on Thu May 28, 2020 - 05:08:09
If they try to build another Temple- God will curse it again!

 Maybe so, as it won't be a REAL temple of God, as JESUS won't be worshipped in it, but the world will view it as a temple of God, & the antichrist will commit the AOD in it.
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: Rella on Thu May 28, 2020 - 07:30:50
Maybe so, as it won't be a REAL temple of God, as JESUS won't be worshipped in it, but the world will view it as a temple of God, & the antichrist will commit the AOD in it.

 ::thumbup:: ::thumbup::
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: BlessedCreator on Fri May 29, 2020 - 14:17:19
Please remember to do your own diligent research on doctrines/prophecies that God has given us. Make sure everything lines up with what God has revealed to you. I may be wrong and do not want anyone to believe something as not %100 true, so please do your further research of your own and let God teach you.
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: Rella on Fri May 29, 2020 - 14:44:03
Maybe so, as it won't be a REAL temple of God, as JESUS won't be worshipped in it, but the world will view it as a temple of God, & the antichrist will commit the AOD in it.

And  if they do a beautiful mosaic floor (as I had posted this elsewhere, https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/ancient-cultures/ancient-israel/jewish-worship-pagan-symbols/) with zodiac symbols the AOD seems a certainty.

The thing is. They will believe it is to God. And is honoring God.
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: robycop3 on Fri May 29, 2020 - 17:05:04
Please remember to do your own diligent research on doctrines/prophecies that God has given us. Make sure everything lines up with what God has revealed to you. I may be wrong and do not want anyone to believe something as not %100 true, so please do your further research of your own and let God teach you.

  Correct, & we must remember to consider ALL Scripture, not just Revelation when working to understand the eschatological prophecies. Some are scattered thruout Scripture.

  And learning history helps. That's why I ask preterists to show us irrefutable documented history for the prophesied events they CLAIM have already happened. So far, they're batting ZERO.

  To try to fill those gaps between their doctrine & reality, many prets mtry to reduce  "inconvenient" Scriptures to "figurative/symbolic" status. Sorry, Sportzz Fanzz, it doesn't work that way !
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: lea on Sat May 30, 2020 - 20:05:30

You're just jealous because you have no talents!
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: robycop3 on Sun May 31, 2020 - 05:40:04
You're just jealous because you have no talents!

  You have no idea what I have or don't have. But it's easy to see some things YOU don't have, and one is the belief of God's word.
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: lea on Sun May 31, 2020 - 13:12:15
  You have no idea what I have or don't have. But it's easy to see some things YOU don't have, and one is the belief of God's word.

All can see the fruit of the Spirit that you don't have!
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: robycop3 on Sun May 31, 2020 - 13:31:42
All can see the fruit of the Spirit that you don't have!

  This is a free nation; say what you want, even though it's a pack of lies. I spent 4 years in the USN defending your right to lie, & serve any apostate religious doctrine you wanna serve.

  But I, & the others here, have the right to not believe you, which most of us don't.
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: lea on Sun May 31, 2020 - 15:39:44
  This is a free nation; say what you want, even though it's a pack of lies. I spent 4 years in the USN defending your right to lie, & serve any apostate religious doctrine you wanna serve.

  But I, & the others here, have the right to not believe you, which most of us don't.

You stopped defending the country a long time ago pal. You were probably in it for the benefits anyway.
 You can't fool me.
 My father was in WW2 Navy as the Japs burned/sunk their carrier and 20 or so men went into the water. He was of only a handful rescued. He had to watch his comrades be torn apart by sharks.

That's who I have respect for.  You on the other hand just want recognition for "being in the military" out loud on forums!

What's the difference? You have no humility.

You should try it. People would like you better!

Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: robycop3 on Sun May 31, 2020 - 16:58:22
You stopped defending the country a long time ago pal. You were probably in it for the benefits anyway.
 You can't fool me.
 My father was in WW2 Navy as the Japs burned/sunk their carrier and 20 or so men went into the water. He was of only a handful rescued. He had to watch his comrades be torn apart by sharks.

That's who I have respect for.  You on the other hand just want recognition for "being in the military" out loud on forums!

What's the difference? You have no humility.

You should try it. People would like you better!

 Know what "You're full of baloney" means ?

  My dad was in the ETO in WW2, first as a tail gunner in a B-17, then, as a Quartermaster.

  Like him, I had no choice of when I was born, & what war occurred when I turned 18. (Vietnam)

  I served, same as your dad & mine. We all did different things. (I was a Corpsman.)

  But none of this has nothing to do with your posting garbage which you can't prove. Since you can't prove your quackery, you try to turn the readership's attention from that fact by posting what a jabroney you think I am, hoping the readers will overlook your lack of evidence & proof for your pret junk.
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: Rella on Sun May 31, 2020 - 18:35:59
There will never be another Jewish temple.  Most Christians believe that Christ was the forever ultimate sacrifice of Himself.  Thus,  NO Christian should be looking to the Jewish "LAW" ever again for salvation (forgiveness of sins).

Why do you insist that any Christian would be looking to Jewish law for salvation?

You are very misguided.

Jewish law has nothing to do with the "I am the way,the truth and the life"

Jewish law has nothing to do with "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:"

Jewish law has nothing to do with Matt 24:

 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you

For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. ( ie destruction of the temple in 70 AD)

For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

All these are the beginning of sorrows

Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many

 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

IN 70AD, THE GOSPEL WAS PREACHED BUT NOT TO ALL NATIONS IN ALL THE WORLD. Donotmake the mistake of assuming that a localized world waswhat was meant. If so, Jesus would have simply said And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached for a witness unto all nations.

He did not.He added in all the world.



Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: Rella on Sun May 31, 2020 - 19:17:40
You're just jealous because you have no talents!

Lea,

A question or two for you.

Lea, we all know how you feel and believe. You have a great disdain for anyone
who disagrees with you.

I am wondering if your husband shares your same beliefs.

Does he share your pret views and also your disdain for Zionists?

And does he also fell as strongly against Jews as you do?

You seem to zero in on them but what about other religions. After all... weare only down one leg of things promised by God when Abraham had son Ishmael and God promised he would become a great nation.

If so, why dont you have him come on with his own user name and shore up your views.

Perhaps he has some actual historical confirmation other then just Josephus.

I also wonder, being a preterist,what church you attend. Is their a denomination that teaches your beliefs. There could be some interested in learning more and wouldlike to join a congregation of like minds.
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: Rella on Sun May 31, 2020 - 19:42:39
  This is a free nation; say what you want, even though it's a pack of lies. I spent 4 years in the USN defending your right to lie, & serve any apostate religious doctrine you wanna serve.

  But I, & the others here, have the right to not believe you, which most of us don't.

@robycop3 Thank you, Thank you, Thank you for your service. I stand and salute you.

Enjoy this for is means so much to me and all patriots. I posted this elsewhere but in case you missed it

https://www.youtube.com/embed/2eBxVxO0nh4

And sir, I am with you on not believingher way.

Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: lea on Sun May 31, 2020 - 19:45:07
Lea,

A question or two for you.

Lea, we all know how you feel and believe. You have a great disdain for anyone
who disagrees with you.

I am wondering if your husband shares your same beliefs.

Does he share your pret views and also your disdain for Zionists?

And does he also fell as strongly against Jews as you do?

You seem to zero in on them but what about other religions. After all... weare only down one leg of things promised by God when Abraham had son Ishmael and God promised he would become a great nation.

If so, why dont you have him come on with his own user name and shore up your views.

Perhaps he has some actual historical confirmation other then just Josephus.

I also wonder, being a preterist,what church you attend. Is their a denomination that teaches your beliefs. There could be some interested in learning more and wouldlike to join a congregation of like minds.
Stop. Your first sentences has your ego trip in it.  I don't have disdain for anyone disagreeing with me Rella, just you and robycop3. Got it, get it, good.  I love me too!

And what do you care about my husband?  Stick to your own, if you have one.

Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: 3 Resurrections on Sun May 31, 2020 - 19:55:10
I have read that the truly orthodox Hasidic Jews have complete scorn for Zionism as a whole.  The implication being that somehow Zionism is mercenary at heart, and not truly concerned with following the Torah above all things.  In other words, non-Jews who rally to the Zionist cause would receive equal scorn by Orthodox Jews for being solely concerned with material worldly possessions instead of a heart for following their preserved laws.

Anybody else reading the same thing with some sources to back this up?
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: mommydi on Sun May 31, 2020 - 19:56:00
  This is a free nation; say what you want, even though it's a pack of lies. I spent 4 years in the USN defending your right to lie, & serve any apostate religious doctrine you wanna serve.

  But I, & the others here, have the right to not believe you, which most of us don't.

Thank you so much, robycop.
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: mommydi on Sun May 31, 2020 - 19:58:16
You're just jealous because you have no talents!

lea, you're coming across as extremely angry. What's wrong?

Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: Rella on Sun May 31, 2020 - 19:59:17
You stopped defending the country a long time ago pal. You were probably in it for the benefits anyway.
 You can't fool me.
 My father was in WW2 Navy as the Japs burned/sunk their carrier and 20 or so men went into the water. He was of only a handful rescued. He had to watch his comrades be torn apart by sharks.

That's who I have respect for.  You on the other hand just want recognition for "being in the military" out loud on forums!

What's the difference? You have no humility.

You should try it. People would like you better!

You are the most miserable so and so I have ever encountered.

Dont worry about answering my question about your husband...it is certain that you dont have one.

As to WWII

My uncle was in the first paratroopers to parachute into Germany.

And my dad was in the Army.

So keep your gutless opinions to yourself.

I am done replying to yourself.

@robycop3 and all other anti - Preterists I suggest the same for you also.

If she has no one to argue against she will have no reason to post unless she and 3 resurrections want to hold hands.
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: lea on Sun May 31, 2020 - 20:05:10
You are the most miserable so and so I have ever encountered.

Dont worry about answering my question about your husband...it is certain that you dont have one.

As to WWII

My uncle was in the first paratroopers to parachute into Germany.

And my dad was in the Army.

So keep your gutless opinions to yourself.

I am done replying to yourself.

@robycop3 and all other anti - Preterists I suggest the same for you also.

If she has no one to argue against she will have no reason to post unless she and 3 resurrections want to hold hands.

Takes one to know one.   BTW I do have a husband.

Chill out R!
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: lea on Sun May 31, 2020 - 20:09:04
lea, you're coming across as extremely angry. What's wrong?

Not I said the woman Preterist. I'm having a jolly good time!
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: RB on Mon Jun 01, 2020 - 04:29:53
BTW I do have a husband.
Does he have to raise his hand before speaking to get permission?
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: robycop3 on Mon Jun 01, 2020 - 04:53:13
lea, you're coming across as extremely angry. What's wrong?

 She can't stand to have her pret garbage proven false.
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: Choir Loft on Fri Jun 12, 2020 - 08:37:48
Edit: Please remember to do your own diligent research on doctrines/prophecies that God has given us. Make sure everything lines up with what God has revealed to you. I may be wrong and do not want anyone to believe something as not %100 true, so please do your further research of your own and let God teach you.

There is no literal physical third temple that will be built.
The third temple doctrine comes from 2 Thessalonians 2:4.

You have failed to recognize the description of a temple by Ezekiel (chapters 40-47).   

Many Christian scholars refer to Ezekiel's vision as the 3rd temple, while Jewish scholars refers to it as an allegorical representation of the Herod's temple (the 2nd temple).  In neither case does it describe any temple that existed or will exist yet many assertions of a third temple are based upon Ezekiel's temple.

On the other hand, I could be totally wrong since Christians deny the efficacy of the Old Testament except where it can be quoted to support their imaginary descriptions of the End Times.

If modern Israelis wanted to establish a center for sacrificial worship they would only need to reconstruct another Wilderness Tabernacle (see the book of Exodus), which in fact is what they've done already near the city of Eilat.  The construction is for scholarly reference as well as the tourist industry.   There is also a full size replica of the Wilderness Tabernacle in Tarpon Springs, Florida.  Christians visit the latter and Jews ignore the former.

Other assertions suggest the 1st AND 2nd temples were built in the City of David, not on the temple mount, because of the Gihon springs there (necessary for continual washing of sacrificial implements).   The temple mount has no water source as described in the books of I & II Kings.  The City of David is an extension of the old city of Jerusalem, but is presently owned by Muslims who refuse to relinquish their real estate to Jewish authorities.  Israel has no legal recourse to EMINENT DOMAIN such as is used by the United States to seize the private property of its citizens, a usurpation of the third amendment of the Constitution, btw. 

that's me, hollering from the choir loft.... 
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: robycop3 on Fri Jun 12, 2020 - 17:26:48
  Just as God caused modern Judah (Israel) to become re-established as a sovereign nation, with Jerusalem as its capital again, He will arrange for the temple to be built when His time comes. This is necessary for the "abomination of desolation" to be done in by the antichrist.

  Remember, the establishment of modern Israel was against all human odds, & the building of a new temple, while improbable now, will be done according to God's will. While it won't be an actual "temple of God", as JESUS won't be worshipped in it, the world will view it as such. The antichrist will set up his statue in it, & proclaim himself to be God while in it. That will be the AOD.
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: Choir Loft on Sat Jun 13, 2020 - 09:54:02
  Just as God caused modern Judah (Israel) to become re-established as a sovereign nation, with Jerusalem as its capital again, He will arrange for the temple to be built when His time comes. This is necessary for the "abomination of desolation" to be done in by the antichrist.

  Remember, the establishment of modern Israel was against all human odds, & the building of a new temple, while improbable now, will be done according to God's will. While it won't be an actual "temple of God", as JESUS won't be worshipped in it, the world will view it as such. The antichrist will set up his statue in it, & proclaim himself to be God while in it. That will be the AOD.

Read the Bible and throw your Christian novelizations in the garbage.

There will be NO temple for anti-christ to enter because Daniel predicted the desecration of the 2nd temple (it actually happened three centuries before Christ's birth) - word for word.  Jesus predicted the destruction of Herod's temple in 70AD.  Are you familiar with the predictions of Revelation 21 regarding New Jerusalem?  There will be NO NEW TEMPLE.  Read the Bible.

The anti-christ system is Roman Catholic as identified by Daniel and Revelation.  The leader of that system is the Pope as identified by Revelation and recent history.  Pope has his own temple, btw (that's why its called anti-Christ).

Christian opportunists have been bleeding money out of gullible ignorant Christians for decades without a stone or toothpick's worth of construction to show for it.  It is one of the greatest con jobs in religious history - second only to Vatican presumptions of holding religious artifacts (including the first vending machine that would dispense milk from the Virgin for a coin - one wonders how the milk was collected and preserved in the first place).

Christians, most of whom haven't read the Bible cover to cover, will buy any fake story that comes along as long as it follows the common theme of con artists.   There's a lot of money to be made in the god business and make no mistake about it.  Biblically illiterate Christians believe this nonsense because they don't study God's Word to verify it.

Are you familiar with Daniel's predictions of the Ptolemaic rulers of the Levant and their actions against the 2nd temple?

Do you know the motivations for the war of the Maccabees?  Simply put it had to do with the fact the Greeks entered the 2nd temple and desecrated it with pagan idols sacrifice and worship.  Daniel's prophecies have been criticized by many liberal scholars because it is so precise in its predictions.  What Daniel predicted came true in amazing clarity, but modern Christians are reluctant to READ and accept only comic book interpretations - suggested by the VATICAN following the Reformation.   This is one of the many reasons protestantism is in self-destruct mode these days.  Protestant Christians are in lock-step with Vatican doctrine and in many cases its liturgy as well.  The Reformation is a dead issue today mostly because today's Christians have no idea what it was about in the first place.  One of the issues was to identify Rome as the anti-Christ system and the Pope as leader of the beast.  Hello?  Ever heard that?  Probably not because modern Christians act as though stupidity is a virtue.  It isn't.

Biblically illiterate Christians have no idea what happened then because all they read is supermarket tabloid rubbish.  Such fools do not seek to educate themselves and the false shepherds that lead them aren't about to engage their flocks because they don't know either.   

The blind thus lead the blind into the ditch and thus easily accept doctrines of demons and idiotic predictions that don't have a snowball's chance in hell of being realized in fact.

"You have to work hard to be THAT stupid." - John Wayne

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: Choir Loft on Sat Jun 13, 2020 - 10:19:19
  This is a free nation; say what you want, even though it's a pack of lies. I spent 4 years in the USN defending your right to lie, & serve any apostate religious doctrine you wanna serve.

  But I, & the others here, have the right to not believe you, which most of us don't.

Actually the idea of the United States being a free nation is an illusion. 

I spent SIX years in the same Navy defending the right of our fascist government to invade and murder any country it desires in defense, not of liberty, but of major corporate interests and assets.  America hasn't defended the sovereign rights of any nation since 1945.

Additionally, the 1st amendment USED TO APPLY to the government, not private corporations and entities.  As of today it doesn't apply to government either.  Consider the following;

AMENDMENT I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
- Annuled by Federal restrictions against public prayer & IRS 501.c.3. 
- Religious assembly restrictions allowed by states according to SCOTUS ruling in May 2020.
- Peaceful assembly has been disallowed or limited by local authorities to an extent that such influence is negligible. 
- Private litigation against the US government is restricted by legal precedent rather than overt law.
(Source list of legal precedent is too lengthy to publish here.)

Bottom line is that you and I wasted our time in the military - 4 years for you and 6 for me.  We didn't defend anything except the government's right of aggression.

Still not convinced?  Read the following.

“Under dictatorship, people are enslaved but they know it. Here, the politicians constantly lie to people and they become immune to these lies because they have the privilege of voting. But voting is rigged and democracy here is a gigantic profusion of lies and clever brainwashing.” - Allen Dulles, first director of CIA

America is a fascist police state and we are proud of it.  Proof positive is the man we elected as POTUS.

We as a nation have turned our collective backs upon God, reinvented our religious system to support our hedonism and licentiousness and have gone our own way without the help of heaven.

We demand health and peace from the throne of God and have earned plague death and violence instead.   We have sown the wind and are reaping the whirlwind and in the midst of the storm NOBODY calls for CONFESSION OF SIN AND REPENTANCE OF IT.

God does NOT hear the prayer of SINNERS. (John 9:31)
For prayers to be heard they MUST be preceded by confession & repentance.  (1 John 1:9)


Until and unless we recognize these two spiritual principles of prayer our petitions won't rise above the ceiling.

Do our 'spiritual' leaders call the nation to repentance?  Certainly not.  America is too exceptional for such a humble activity.  Our leaders are too concerned about the possible decrease in donations if they demand repentance.

And so we enter a period of national darkness fully persuaded of our fantasies and in complete denial of the mind and Word of God.

We shall reap what we have sown and it will be a bitter harvest.

Watch and learn, pilgrim.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

   
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: lea on Sat Jun 13, 2020 - 13:31:47
Choir Loft,
I agree with you on the comic book "third temple" mindset, and the Daniel fulfillments, I don't agree with you instilling "Vatican" prophecies into the text of Revelation.

Protestants speak about "sola scripture" but do err in prophecy also.

Next, thank you for you service in the USN , but I do believe you are mixing too much church with state.

If anything, our country is now being led by a God-fearing president, and God fearing people have nothing to repent about (except maybe GW Bush who should ask for forgiveness, if you know what I mean) And president Trump is defending this country. He is NOT a war-hawk trying to change cultures through boots on the ground that cause massive wounded warriors!

When you use John 9:31 to for considering your points, I think you misunderstand the Bible there.
It's not about turning into a fascist country in politics and need of everyone to repent. It's about the unsaved being saved through repentance.

From:
Defending In-errancy


John 9:31—Does God hear the prayers of sinners?

Problem: John said here, “Now we know that God does not hear sinners.” Yet Jesus said God heard the publican who prayed, “God be merciful to me a sinner” (Luke 18:13). Does He hear sinners when they pray?

Solution: God hears sinners when they confess they are sinners and accept His forgiveness. For “whoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved” (Rom. 10:13). Jesus promised, “the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out” (John 6:37).

However, God does not promise to answer the prayers of sinners who are not serving the true God. Jesus said, “if anyone is a worshiper of God and does His will, He [God] hears him” (John 9:31). Even so, God’s grace exceeds His promise, and He apparently does on occasion respond to the prayer of an unsaved person as part of His overall providential plan to bring them to Himself (cf. Jonah 1:14–15). In this sense, God’s response to the prayer of the unsaved is part of the “goodness of God [that] leads you to repentance” (Rom. 2:4).

I say praying for this country and for Trump is the best course of action now.
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: robycop3 on Sat Jun 13, 2020 - 14:03:20
  Something you should do, Choir Left - look at God's BIG PICTURE !

  Remember, He told Jacob that A NATION & A COMPANY OF NATIONS would be descended from him. Now, old Israel and Judah were never great nations. Most of their neighbors had much-larger populations. But God said they'd be GREAT. And He also said the birthright would go to Joseph thru his sons Ephraim & Manasseh. Neither of those tribes became great or rich.

  Now, lemme say I AM NOT A "BRITISH ISRAELITE", altho I almost fell for Herbie Armstrong's hooey til the HOLY SPIRIT pointed out his heresies to me. However, we cannot ignore Britain's & the USA's role in world history. Could THEIR people be made up largely of Joseph's descendants? And who was largely responsible for the making of modern Israel ? BRITAIN. And who's been Israel's best friend ? THE USA. And what nation has the most Christian churches per capita ? The USA.

 Just something to think about!

  Sure, Britain & the USA have gone downhill as the New-Age-Liberals came to power, but there's nothing wrong for Christians to pray for God's blessing of their nation. I hope those liberals get their hats handed to them this November !
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: robycop3 on Sat Jun 13, 2020 - 14:15:39
Choir Loft,
I agree with you on the comic book "third temple" mindset, and the Daniel fulfillments, I don't agree with you instilling "Vatican" prophecies into the text of Revelation.

Protestants speak about "sola scripture" but do err in prophecy also.

Next, thank you for you service in the USN , but I do believe you are mixing too much church with state.

If anything, our country is now being led by a God-fearing president, and God fearing people have nothing to repent about (except maybe GW Bush who should ask for forgiveness, if you know what I mean) And president Trump is defending this country. He is NOT a war-hawk trying to change cultures through boots on the ground that cause massive wounded warriors!

When you use John 9:31 to for considering your points, I think you misunderstand the Bible there.
It's not about turning into a fascist country in politics and need of everyone to repent. It's about the unsaved being saved through repentance.

From:
Defending In-errancy


John 9:31—Does God hear the prayers of sinners?

Problem: John said here, “Now we know that God does not hear sinners.” Yet Jesus said God heard the publican who prayed, “God be merciful to me a sinner” (Luke 18:13). Does He hear sinners when they pray?

Solution: God hears sinners when they confess they are sinners and accept His forgiveness. For “whoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved” (Rom. 10:13). Jesus promised, “the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out” (John 6:37).

However, God does not promise to answer the prayers of sinners who are not serving the true God. Jesus said, “if anyone is a worshiper of God and does His will, He [God] hears him” (John 9:31). Even so, God’s grace exceeds His promise, and He apparently does on occasion respond to the prayer of an unsaved person as part of His overall providential plan to bring them to Himself (cf. Jonah 1:14–15). In this sense, God’s response to the prayer of the unsaved is part of the “goodness of God [that] leads you to repentance” (Rom. 2:4).

I say praying for this country and for Trump is the best course of action now.

  For once, I agree with you.

  I believe GOD caused "Desert Storm" because Saddam was trying to rebuild the city of Babylon, when God said it'd never rise again. (The "Babylon" of Rev is the city of Rome.)
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: Rella on Sat Jun 13, 2020 - 14:58:54
You have failed to recognize the description of a temple by Ezekiel (chapters 40-47).   

Many Christian scholars refer to Ezekiel's vision as the 3rd temple, while Jewish scholars refers to it as an allegorical representation of the Herod's temple (the 2nd temple).

Classic: Spin from scholars Christian and Jewish that tells of nothing that can be confirmed or disproven.


 In neither case does it describe any temple that existed or will exist yet many assertions of a third temple are based upon Ezekiel's temple.

Very detailed description for something that never was or ever will be. ::headscratch::  That is just odd, in and of itself.

On the other hand, I could be totally wrong since Christians deny the efficacy of the Old Testament except where it can be quoted to support their imaginary descriptions of the End Times.

Not true at all. But if one is a Christian, as in one with Jesus, the Christ at the center of their being, then it is the words of His and the writings about Him that
are at the center of our being. At least it is for me. As to OT efficacy .. not for end times at all...but definitely for historical references as to lineage and what has transpired leading  to all things New Testament....And even for proofs of certain ideas that take a certain amount of knowledge and intelligence to understand.

I do want to know what it is that you personally believe will be the end of the end of our age?

If modern Israelis wanted to establish a center for sacrificial worship they would only need to reconstruct another Wilderness Tabernacle (see the book of Exodus), which in fact is what they've done already near the city of Eilat.  The construction is for scholarly reference as well as the tourist industry.   There is also a full size replica of the Wilderness Tabernacle in Tarpon Springs, Florida.  Christians visit the latter and Jews ignore the former.

Other assertions suggest the 1st AND 2nd temples were built in the City of David, not on the temple mount, because of the Gihon springs there (necessary for continual washing of sacrificial implements).   The temple mount has no water source as described in the books of I & II Kings.  The City of David is an extension of the old city of Jerusalem, but is presently owned by Muslims who refuse to relinquish their real estate to Jewish authorities.  Israel has no legal recourse to EMINENT DOMAIN such as is used by the United States to seize the private property of its citizens, a usurpation of the third amendment of the Constitution, btw. 

that's me, hollering from the choir loft....

Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: Rella on Sat Jun 13, 2020 - 15:59:39
Read the Bible and throw your Christian novelizations in the garbage.

Oy, Yet another "interpretation" without reference.

There will be NO temple for anti-christ to enter because Daniel predicted the desecration of the 2nd temple (it actually happened three centuries before Christ's birth) - word for word.  Jesus predicted the destruction of Herod's temple in 70AD.  Are you familiar with the predictions of Revelation 21 regarding New Jerusalem?  There will be NO NEW TEMPLE.  Read the Bible.

We do. You simply do not understand...........

The anti-christ system is Roman Catholic as identified by Daniel and Revelation.  The leader of that system is the Pope as identified by Revelation and recent history.  Pope has his own temple, btw (that's why its called anti-Christ).

FINALLY... something we can agree on..... with out question! ::clappingoverhead::

Christian opportunists have been bleeding money out of gullible ignorant Christians for decades without a stone or toothpick's worth of construction to show for it.  It is one of the greatest con jobs in religious history - second only to Vatican presumptions of holding religious artifacts (including the first vending machine that would dispense milk from the Virgin for a coin - one wonders how the milk was collected and preserved in the first place).

Add into this mix the current pleading to extract money from Christians to feed those extremely old Jews in Russia and Israel who will surly die without the "Christian" to help, because their own just turns a back.  That is a major con for many years now.... obviously working as it is ongoing.

Christians, most of whom haven't read the Bible cover to cover, will buy any fake story that comes along as long as it follows the common theme of con artists.   There's a lot of money to be made in the god business and make no mistake about it.  Biblically illiterate Christians believe this nonsense because they don't study God's Word to verify it.

Are you familiar with Daniel's predictions of the Ptolemaic rulers of the Levant and their actions against the 2nd temple?

Do you know the motivations for the war of the Maccabees?  Simply put it had to do with the fact the Greeks entered the 2nd temple and desecrated it with pagan idols sacrifice and worship.


First: the Pagan symbols were there. Before the Greeks...

https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/ancient-cultures/ancient-israel/jewish-worship-pagan-symbols/?mqsc=E4114327&dk=ZE0352ZF2&utm_source=WhatCountsEmail&utm_medium=BHDDaily%20Newsletter&utm_campaign=ZE0352ZF2

So they were ripe for whatever happened.... "Beware of Greeks......" andall that .

Next: you must know that Maccabees are not in the Protestant bible,and therefore cannot and should not be in a generalized conversation about such as it is obvious no Protestant has read it within the four corners of their bible.

Why are you bringing Maccabees  into the mix. It is not in the Protestant bible, but in the Roman Catholic one. Perhaps by Jewish bible reference?

You will know this, but other reading may not....

As I understand things  the Jewish canonical Tanakh emerged after Christianity had started to spread, perhaps in reaction to it; and the Jews eventually decided to accept only those books which had Hebrew originals. This excluded some of the books that were part of the LXX (and presumably other collections of Greek translations). Presumably, that had a lot to do with establishing their identity as Jews as over against the Christians.

Now, during the Protestant reformation , the Protestant canon emerged with the Old Testament pared down to match the Jewish Tanakh. Besides removing seven books, this also meant using a different, shorter version of the Book of Daniel, as the LXX version is different from any known Hebrew revision. And the various Maccabees were removed is that they were part of the 7 books not part of Jewish canon.... therefore not part of the Protestant canon either.

Isn't it ironic that while Christians made their ‘Old Testament’ out of Jewish scripture, the end result was that the Jews established a canonical scripture that was different from that used by the Christians?

 Daniel's prophecies have been criticized by many liberal scholars because it is so precise in its predictions.  What Daniel predicted came true in amazing clarity, but modern Christians are reluctant to READ and accept only comic book interpretations - suggested by the VATICAN following the Reformation. 

Daniel and Revelation have been a mainstay in my studies ofend times.

But of course,you do not believe in endtimes , you believe the light switch will be turned off and your comic book will simply say, "That's all folks".

 This is one of the many reasons protestantism is in self-destruct mode these days.  Protestant Christians are in lock-step with Vatican doctrine and in many cases its liturgy as well. 

All religions are in self-destruct today.  Make no mistake.


The Reformation is a dead issue today mostly because today's Christians have no idea what it was about in the first place.  One of the issues was to identify Rome as the anti-Christ system and the Pope as leader of the beast.  Hello?  Ever heard that?

YES....

And if you have taken any time to read any of @Amo s posts you would know what is going on and it coming to life.

Neither he nor I can help what others believe....We can just present what we know and find.


 Probably not because modern Christians act as though stupidity is a virtue.  It isn't.

Biblically illiterate Christians have no idea what happened then because all they read is supermarket tabloid rubbish.  Such fools do not seek to educate themselves and the false shepherds that lead them aren't about to engage their flocks because they don't know either.   

The blind thus lead the blind into the ditch and thus easily accept doctrines of demons and idiotic predictions that don't have a snowball's chance in hell of being realized in fact.

"You have to work hard to be THAT stupid." - John Wayne

No, it is because of the stupidity of choir loft hollerers who accuse but do nothing to educate.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: lea on Sat Jun 13, 2020 - 16:02:43
Read your Bible. His kingdom (the age to come in the Bible) would never end.
Luke 1:31-
 31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name Jesus. 32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David. 33 And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.”
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: lea on Sat Jun 13, 2020 - 16:10:58
No Pope, no "Babylon" in modern times, no nothing.

1 Peter- He wrote to the dispersed Jews in North Asia AND those who didn't return from ancient Babylon to Israel.
However, read it and weep:
In Revelation, "Babylon" was spiritually called Sodom and Egypt. Rev.11:

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Recognize the literal in that vs. ...Was Jesus crucified in Rome?  Or simply Jerusalem?


 
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: Rella on Sat Jun 13, 2020 - 17:30:02
Read your Bible. His kingdom (the age to come in the Bible) would never end.
Luke 1:31-
 31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name Jesus. 32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David. 33 And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.”

Where is His kingdom?
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: Rella on Sat Jun 13, 2020 - 17:32:59
No Pope, no "Babylon" in modern times, no nothing.

1 Peter- He wrote to the dispersed Jews in North Asia AND those who didn't return from ancient Babylon to Israel.
However, read it and weep:
In Revelation, "Babylon" was spiritually called Sodom and Egypt. Rev.11:

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Recognize the literal in that vs. ...Was Jesus crucified in Rome?  Or simply Jerusalem?

Do you even understand what you write?

One thing has zero to do with the other. In the sense you are indicating.

And yes I know what you are saying and you are wrong.

Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: lea on Sun Jun 14, 2020 - 14:26:29
Where is His kingdom?

You're a Christian and you are asking me "where is His kingdom?"
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: Rella on Sun Jun 14, 2020 - 15:06:30
You're a Christian and you are asking me "where is His kingdom?"

A couple hundred threads ago YOU hinted that I was not a Christian.

Cant you make up your mind?

But I know about His kingdom .... I am not certain you understand.

Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: lea on Sun Jun 14, 2020 - 15:38:17
A couple hundred threads ago YOU hinted that I was not a Christian.

Cant you make up your mind?

But I know about His kingdom .... I am not certain you understand.

Can you show me that post?

Also, you say you "know" about His kingdom?  Tell us what YOU know about His kingdom then.
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: Rella on Mon Jun 15, 2020 - 19:48:06
There once was a woman who got very upset by me. Always attempting to one up me with idiotic questions and very forgetful of what she has said, that could be reposted if one wanted to take time to find and do that.... time I am not going to expend for there is far more of importance that needs worked on. Excessive bloviation is a waste of everyone's time.

By this time I am sure this woman knows who I am referencing.

She is the one who said:

Quote
I wasn't even replying to you, but you seem to make sure your voice is on every thread here anyway.
Is something wrong with you? Are you that ignorant to imply even that question or just trying to compete with me again?

So here is a little suggestion  with instructions for her, or anyone else I bother.

Block my posts from being shown to you.

To do so you go into your Profile. On your profile you click modify buddy list/ignore list. There you can edit who you want to ignore. In this case it would be Rella.

More specifically:  To block a user you go to your own Profile, then click the
Modify Profile button, from the drop down list click Buddies/Ignore list, then
 click the Edit Ignore List tab and paste the user name into the box, again Rella,
click add and you're done!

That way I will not be bothering this woman in any manner.... and I can continue on with my observations.

Of course... should she decide not to block me, let the gloves come off ~

As Miss Bryson would say..."A word to the wise is sufficient."


Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: robycop3 on Tue Jun 16, 2020 - 04:54:33
  Anyone may block themselves from reading my posts any time - I don't care. However, they WILL be read by others who will believe the blocker is clueless because he/she doesn't reply to the posts which refute the blocker's doctrines.
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: lea on Tue Jun 16, 2020 - 14:00:17
There once was a woman who got very upset by me. Always attempting to one up me with idiotic questions and very forgetful of what she has said, that could be reposted if one wanted to take time to find and do that.... time I am not going to expend for there is far more of importance that needs worked on. Excessive bloviation is a waste of everyone's time.

By this time I am sure this woman knows who I am referencing.

She is the one who said:

So here is a little suggestion  with instructions for her, or anyone else I bother.

Block my posts from being shown to you.

To do so you go into your Profile. On your profile you click modify buddy list/ignore list. There you can edit who you want to ignore. In this case it would be Rella.

More specifically:  To block a user you go to your own Profile, then click the
Modify Profile button, from the drop down list click Buddies/Ignore list, then
 click the Edit Ignore List tab and paste the user name into the box, again Rella,
click add and you're done!

That way I will not be bothering this woman in any manner.... and I can continue on with my observations.

Of course... should she decide not to block me, let the gloves come off ~

As Miss Bryson would say..."A word to the wise is sufficient."

Again, show us the posts, Rella, seekingHiswisdom!

You talk big for someone who's afraid of defending herself because she's afraid of the police arresting her!

I'm still laughing  ::crackup::
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: Rella on Wed Jun 17, 2020 - 12:39:06
Again, show us the posts, Rella, seekingHiswisdom!

You talk big for someone who's afraid of defending herself because she's afraid of the police arresting her!

I'm still laughing  ::crackup::


Ah, my PITA lea......  Has a nice ring don't you think??????   pita lea

Arrest???  Again with the riddles....  ::frown:: 

Well, laugh yourself silly over this, because this IS a violation of TOS IMHO.

In : Preterists, please show us historical proof !
http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/preterist-forum/preterists-please-show-us-historical-proof-!/msg1055164856/#msg1055164856

After you responded to Robycop with reply #62



That's why I am saved and yours is in question if you don't believe the gospel when Hebrews says He appears a second time , not to forgive sins, but to complete salvation.



To my: reply # 63

I know you were not responding to me.

Can I assume I am included in this?  The questionable end.

(no I won't be upset, I just want to get the count right under my user name.)



You replied reply # 64

::shrug::


That shrug is a tell.

You do question my salvation, and definitely questioned robycop's

So since you do not want to block me, as I was nice enough to instruct you how.

Bring it  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: robycop3 on Thu Jun 18, 2020 - 05:15:02
  Lea simply believes in pie-in-the-sky, a doctrine she simply cannot support with history, a doctrine drawn not from Scripture, but from the garbage written by such charlatans as Preston, Gentry, Alcazar, etc.

All talk, no WALK !
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: Rella on Thu Jun 18, 2020 - 07:25:50
  Lea simply believes in pie-in-the-sky, a doctrine she simply cannot support with history, a doctrine drawn not from Scripture, but from the garbage written by such charlatans as Preston, Gentry, Alcazar, etc.

All talk, no WALK !

Agreed.

For anything that monumental to have happened... and I am not talking about the temple destruction, most certainly there would be 1 sliver of something written, if not by an eye witness, then a son or a grandson of one.... even of talk handed down suggestive of parables or allegories....

But there is only Josephus. Who wrote only of the siege, as it were....

AND....

Publius (or Gaius) Cornelius Tacitus

c. AD 56 – c. 120) was a Roman historian and politician. Tacitus is considered by modern scholars to be one of the greatest Roman historians.[1][2] He lived in what has been called the Silver Age of Latin literature, and has a reputation for the brevity and compactness of his Latin prose, as well as for his penetrating insights into the psychology of power politics.

"The Histories
Main article: Histories (Tacitus)
In an early chapter of the Agricola, Tacitus asserts that he wishes to speak about the years of Domitian, Nerva and Trajan. In the Histories the scope has changed; Tacitus says that he will deal with the age of Nerva and Trajan at a later time. Instead, he will cover the period from the civil wars of the Year of Four Emperors and end with the despotism of the Flavians. Only the first four books and twenty-six chapters of the fifth book survive, covering the year 69 and the first part of 70. The work is believed to have continued up to the death of Domitian on September 18, 96. The fifth book contains—as a prelude to the account of Titus's suppression of the Great Jewish Revolt—a short ethnographic survey of the ancient Jews, and it is an invaluable record of Roman attitudes towards them.

( I have not found them to look into them YET!)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus

And also the Brittanica reporting of him

"Tacitus, in full Publius Cornelius Tacitus, or Gaius Cornelius Tacitus, (born AD 56—died c. 120), Roman orator and public official, probably the greatest historian and one of the greatest prose stylists who wrote in the Latin language. Among his works are the Germania, describing the Germanic tribes, the Historiae (Histories), concerning the Roman Empire from AD 69 to 96, and the later Annals, dealing with the empire in the period from AD 14 to 68.

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Tacitus-Roman-historian/The-Histories-and-the-Annals

Of other interesting reading....

This mentions Josephus and his instructions in " The Siege of Jerusalem in the year 70 CE was the decisive event of the First Jewish–Roman War, in which the Roman army captured the city of Jerusalem and destroyed both the city and its Temple."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(70_CE)

Got Questions has an extremely understandable article for the newbie on What prophesies were fulfilled in 70AD

https://www.gotquestions.org/AD-70.html

So now I have foud 2 actual historians who wrote of that time.

And nothing suggests Jesus in the mix ::tippinghat::


Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: robycop3 on Fri Jun 19, 2020 - 05:08:26
  Some say that Tacitus got some of his intel from Josephus. But plainly, the great trib will be worldwide, as Rev. 3:11 says. That trib will be the "hour of trial". it'll be even harder for Christians to survive, as they can't buy or sell normally , as they won't have "the mark", plus, all the natural disasters coming one upon another. But Jesus will return before all life on earth is destroyed, & swiftly "set things right".

  I believe the destruction of J & the temple were part of the "days of vengeance" Jesus declared against that generation of Jews in the Jerusalem area. (Note that Jews in other places weren't affected by the events of 66-70 AD.)

  But back to Tacitus. in nhis Annals, book 15, chapter 44, he wrote:
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But all human efforts, all the lavish gifts of the emperor, and the propitiations of the gods, did not banish the sinister belief that the conflagration was the result of an order. Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judæa, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind.

  Some inaccuracy is found there, as Nero didn't  blame Christians, but he blamed some Romans who were dissatisfied with his rule. Nero was in Antium when the fire started, but he hastened back & even helped fight the fire as part of a bucket brigade. Soon as it was out, he worked to bring in emergency supplies.

  We must remember that, after his death, nero was vilified by many Romans, especially over his debaucheries & sexual perversions. Thus, many tales were started blaming Nero himself for the fire, accusing him of sitting around playing music while Rome burned, & of his having "Christian cookouts" in his garden while Rome burned. But while he was a bad dude, he certainly didn't dilly-dally during & immediately after the fire.
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: Rella on Fri Jun 19, 2020 - 07:06:57
  Some say that Tacitus got some of his intel from Josephus. But plainly, the great trib will be worldwide, as Rev. 3:11 says. That trib will be the "hour of trial". it'll be even harder for Christians to survive, as they can't buy or sell normally , as they won't have "the mark", plus, all the natural disasters coming one upon another. But Jesus will return before all life on earth is destroyed, & swiftly "set things right".

  I believe the destruction of J & the temple were part of the "days of vengeance" Jesus declared against that generation of Jews in the Jerusalem area. (Note that Jews in other places weren't affected by the events of 66-70 AD.)

  But back to Tacitus. in nhis Annals, book 15, chapter 44, he wrote:
  Some inaccuracy is found there, as Nero didn't  blame Christians, but he blamed some Romans who were dissatisfied with his rule. Nero was in Antium when the fire started, but he hastened back & even helped fight the fire as part of a bucket brigade. Soon as it was out, he worked to bring in emergency supplies.

  We must remember that, after his death, nero was vilified by many Romans, especially over his debaucheries & sexual perversions. Thus, many tales were started blaming Nero himself for the fire, accusing him of sitting around playing music while Rome burned, & of his having "Christian cookouts" in his garden while Rome burned. But while he was a bad dude, he certainly didn't dilly-dally during & immediately after the fire.

Yes.... but again... we find zero recorded historical proof of what the Prets are hanging their heads on.

Come on people... You cannot expect us to keep looking for proof for you.  Get busy.

We are waiting.
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: robycop3 on Sat Jun 20, 2020 - 08:38:25
  I agree. As I said, the events of 66-70 AD were the "days of vengeance" Jesus pronounced against that generation of Jews, making them answer for all the murders of the righteous up til that time. It was the Jewish leadership of the Jerusalem area, & its surrounding villages who openly rejected Jesus & had murdered many who had believed Him or had actually tried to live as God had commanded earlier. That's why the Jews in other areas weren't affected too much by the Roman attack.

  The expulsion of the Jews from their land by the Romans under Hadrian in 135-136 AD was actually a much-greater punishment on the Jews than the 66-70 events. Not only were many killed, but the survivors were despised & persecuted wherever they went. Christians blamed them for murdering Jesus; many other peolles hated them for bringing the wrath of the Romans upon them, & others didn't want new peopletaking up their land or using their resources. This persecution lasted for over 1800 years, & was doubtlessly their punishment for their rejection & murder of Jesus. No matter what preterists may say, the history of this persecution is plain, & it culminated in the nazi holocaust. And even today, anti-Semitism still exists outside the Moslem world, as well as within it. It's only by the power of God that the Jewish people still exist at all, let alone having a strong & growing little nation !

  The preterists are constantly making up excuses for the existence of modern Israel, from saying it's just coincidence, to saying its people aren't really Jews.  I just simply BELIEVE THE BIBLE, where it says in several places that GOD will restore both Israel & Judah.

 (Now, about the rest of Israel, remember God told Jacob to say that the rulership is Judah's, but the BIRTHRIGHT IS JOSEPH'S. That birthright includes great national wealth & power. And instead of one tribe of Joseph, it's divided into Ephraim & Manasseh And Jacob eas told by God that "a nation, & a company of nations shall come from you". So, what nation & company of nations at one time controlled some 80 % of all the earth's resources. THE USA & THE BRITISH EMPIRE ! Something to think about, Sportzz Fanzz !)

  I believe the seals, trumpets, & bowls of plagues are all part of the great trib, & will be loosed upon the world very soon after the antichrist commits the AOD & implements the mark of the beast. No matter what prets say, those prophesied events have simply not happened yet, & there are no events that can be subbed for them. And all Biblical prophecy has been, or will be, fulfilled EXACTLY, TO THE LETTER, as God does not lie in the slightest.

  And partial preterism is proven wrong by the words of Jesus Himself, as He said He'd return IMMEDIATELY AFTER the great trib. And Paul wrote He wouldn't return til after the man of sin had come. So, if those events have already occurred, Jesus is long-overdue !

  Fact is - preterism is man-made & false !
Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: dpr on Fri Oct 23, 2020 - 09:19:13
A standing temple was there in Revelation 11.  That's why you fools can't reconcile in the internal evidence in Revelation being written well before #2 temple was destroyed.
 Before AD70.

I missed this, and will reply, since it was directed at me.

The Book of Revelation was penned by Apostle John while in prison on the Isle of Patmos in the reign of the Roman emperor Domitian, which was around 96 A.D. The idea that it was written before 70 A.D. is a Preterist myth, a false attempt to change history in order to support a false doctrine of men.

Title: Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
Post by: dpr on Fri Oct 23, 2020 - 09:32:57
Rev.21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.

10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

John was in the spirit. That's why you can't understand the prophecy.

But that is specifically why... those of us with The Holy Spirit can... understand what Revelation is revealing. Only those who don't have The Holy Spirit through Christ Jesus will be confused in it.

The temple shown in Rev.11:1-2 involves the time period of the latter half of the "one week" of Daniel 9:27. That is what the 42 months the Gentiles are given to tread the holy city is about, which also is the same 42 months of Rev.13 that the "dragon" is given power over ALL nations. And in that same Rev.11 chapter, when it is speaking of God's two witnesses, who are children of the day, the same time is given as 1260 days. This is very simple to understand directly from the Scriptures of God's Word without any doctrines of men touching it.

Even with the description in Rev.11:1, when John is told go measure that temple, using a reed that is as a rod, that in itself is a type of idea that appears in Ezekiel regarding those who went astray being told to go measure the temple of Ezekiel, which will be Christ's future Millennial temple He will build per Zech.6...

Ezek 43:10
10 Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern.
KJV

Thus Christ in Rev.11:1-2 is showing that specific temple there is for the last days during the coming tribulation, the latter half 1260 days, which is why He connected the idea of measuring it with the 42 months reign of the "dragon" by the Gentiles treading the holy city. Those are definite endtime markers.