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The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
« on: Wed Apr 22, 2020 - 13:59:46 »
Edit: Please remember to do your own diligent research on doctrines/prophecies that God has given us. Make sure everything lines up with what God has revealed to you. I may be wrong and do not want anyone to believe something as not %100 true, so please do your further research of your own and let God teach you.

There is no literal physical third temple that will be built.
The third temple doctrine comes from 2 Thessalonians 2:4.
"Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so
that he as God sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God."

It indeed is speaking of the man of sin, the false messiah, the Antichrist.
But it is not speaking of a literal temple.

Here is commentary from Ellicott on 2 Thessalonians 2:4.
"Though the image is drawn from the Jewish temple, we may say with some confidence that
St. Paul did not expect the Antichrist as a prose fact to take his seat in that edifice.
Neither is the metaphor to be pressed into a mere synonym of "the Church" (1Corinthians 3:17).
The words, so far need not necessarily mean that the Man of Sin will make special
claims upon the Christian community as such. Rather, the whole phrase, "taking his seat in the
temple of God," is a poetical or prophetical description of usurping divine prerogatives
generally: not the prerogatives of the true God alone, but whatever prerogatives have been offered
to anything "called God." Though the prophecy might be fulfilled without any symbolical
act (e.g., of assuming any material throne), yet the spontaneousness ("himself") and the openness
("showing himself") seem so essentially parts of the prophecy as of necessity to imply that the
Man of Sin will make formal claim to occupy that central seat in men's minds and aspirations
which is acknowledged to be due to God alone. The formal making of this claim seems to be identical
with the apocalypse of the Man of Sin, the act by which he is manifested or revealed."

So what does this mean in layman's terms? It means that Antichrist is going to be revealed in
a very grandiose way, as the Lord Jesus Christ will when He comes in the clouds and every eye will see Him.
So shall the Antichrist come, everyone will see him and know of him. All those that are not the true elect
of God will be deceived by the false messiah, the Antichrist into believing that he really is the messiah, that
he really is God. In their minds, which is what the temple of God in this scripture is referring to,
the minds of men and women, in their minds the Antichrist will actually be God to them.

So there is no end time 7 year tribulation period, and there is no literal physical third temple.
What are we looking for? Were looking for the revealing of the false messiah, the Antichrist.
He will deceive many into believing that he is the messiah, that he is God.
God's true elect, those that strictly obey His word, His commandments, His will in this life, that
have made a sacrifice of their lives to devote it to God, to live for God and not themselves, these Christians
will be martyred for their faith. Very few will survive to the end of the world when the Lord returns to
be caught up in the rapture.
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Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
« Reply #1 on: Thu Apr 23, 2020 - 22:24:16 »
The Daniel 11:31 "abomination of desolation" prophecy that Jesus quoted in His Olivet discourse for the end requires... a standing temple in Jerusalem in order to be fulfilled.

The coming of the "man of sin" to sit in the "temple of God" and proclaim himself as God, according to Apostle Paul in 2 Thess.2:3-4, also requires a standing stone temple in Jerusalem at the end for it to be fulfilled.

The Matthew 24:23-26 prophecy Jesus gave about 'a spurious Messiah' coming to Jerusalem and the deceived say 'Christ is here, or there', requires a temple be built in association with his coming, because per Zechariah 6 Christ is build the temple when he comes. The false Messiah/Antichrist will try to mimic that, and the orthodox Jews in Jerusalem will oblige.

The Revelation 13 Scripture about the setup of the "image of the beast" idol in false worship also requires a standing stone temple in Jerusalem for the end, because that idol is what the "abomination of desolation" in Daniel 11:31 is about. That "another beast" of Rev.13 is the same one Jesus warned of in Matthew 24:23-26 that is to come working the great signs and wonders to deceive the whole world with.

Thus there is PLENTY Bible Scripture to show the prophetic requirement of a standing Jewish temple in Jerusalem for the end in association with the false working of the coming Antichrist/pseudo-Messiah.

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Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
« Reply #2 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 16:00:43 »
  DPR is right.

  The Jews have plans to build a new temple in Jerusalem; they recently consecrated an altar to be placed in it, & are breeding the animals such as red heifers to be used in temple rites. The only thing holding them back is TIMING. They already have the materials gathered, & the instruments to be used in its rites made. They can erect it very quickly when the time is right.

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Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
« Reply #3 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 17:41:51 »
And what if they are just Satan's agents pushing the false literal third temple, teasing those that are watching and waiting and making them watch for false signs. When the real temple is already built, your mind. Ready to receive the antichrist if you aren't prepared in faith with God.

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« Reply #4 on: Sat Apr 25, 2020 - 07:37:05 »
And what if they are just Satan's agents pushing the false literal third temple, teasing those that are watching and waiting and making them watch for false signs. When the real temple is already built, your mind. Ready to receive the antichrist if you aren't prepared in faith with God.

  It's my faith in God and His word that shapes my belief about a new temple in Jerusalem. That temple must be built so the coming beast/antichrist can commit the AOD in it.

  There shoulde be no doubt those people are Jews, given their history. While the genealogies before the Roman conquest are gone, and many of them are of "mixed" ancestry, many of them have genealogies fromthe 1st century AD when there was no doubt they were Jews. remember, God is not finished with the Jews or the rest of Israel. He promised to restore them, and He will. This should be apparent by the rise of modern Israel from nothing !

  The Jews' rejection of Jesus as Messiah won't last forever. Jesus is gonna make Himself known to them in no uncertain manner.

  But, meanwhile, back at the ranch...

   Paul wrote in 2 Thess. 2:4 that the man of sin would sit in the temple & proclaim himself to be God. this didn't happen in the old temple, but, as Scripture is always 100% correct, it WILL happen, but there must be a temple for it to happen in. And the Jews will build it in Jerusalem.

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Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
« Reply #5 on: Sat Apr 25, 2020 - 14:17:07 »
And what if they are just Satan's agents pushing the false literal third temple, teasing those that are watching and waiting and making them watch for false signs. When the real temple is already built, your mind. Ready to receive the antichrist if you aren't prepared in faith with God.

There will never be another Jewish temple.  Most Christians believe that Christ was the forever ultimate sacrifice of Himself.  Thus,  NO Christian should be looking to the Jewish "LAW" ever again for salvation (forgiveness of sins).

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« Reply #6 on: Sat Apr 25, 2020 - 17:12:44 »
There will never be another Jewish temple.  Most Christians believe that Christ was the forever ultimate sacrifice of Himself.  Thus,  NO Christian should be looking to the Jewish "LAW" ever again for salvation (forgiveness of sins).

  Yes, there WILL. it must exist for the abomination of desolation to occur.

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« Reply #7 on: Sat Apr 25, 2020 - 18:00:50 »
  Yes, there WILL. it must exist for the abomination of desolation to occur.

Yea, I know, with Israel surrounded by armies of horses too!  Here Mr. Ed!

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Re: The "Third Temple" Prophecy Refuted
« Reply #8 on: Sun Apr 26, 2020 - 07:15:42 »
Yea, I know, with Israel surrounded by armies of horses too!  Here Mr. Ed!

  Nuffin in Scripture about Jerusalem being surrounded by hostiles when the AOD occurs.

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« Reply #9 on: Sun Apr 26, 2020 - 13:52:22 »
  Nuffin in Scripture about Jerusalem being surrounded by hostiles when the AOD occurs.

Come back when you find enough professionalism to actually write out your views instead of ghastly making shorthand and abbreviations!


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« Reply #10 on: Mon Apr 27, 2020 - 08:29:56 »
Come back when you find enough professionalism to actually write out your views instead of ghastly making shorthand and abbreviations!

M'am, I shall write in any style I jolly well choose, & you may either like it or lump it as you desire.

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« Reply #11 on: Mon Apr 27, 2020 - 19:01:27 »
M'am, I shall write in any style I jolly well choose, & you may either like it or lump it as you desire.

Gossiping troll style. No content. Tries to tell us the future. rofl

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« Reply #12 on: Tue Apr 28, 2020 - 06:13:12 »
Gossiping troll style. No content. Tries to tell us the future. rofl

Know what "Bah ! Humbug !" means ?

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« Reply #13 on: Sat May 16, 2020 - 17:30:53 »
Why is this thread a double post??

I thought that wasn't allowed?

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« Reply #14 on: Thu May 21, 2020 - 18:26:16 »
Why is this thread a double post??

I thought that wasn't allowed?
A standing temple was there in Revelation 11.  That's why you fools can't reconcile in the internal evidence in Revelation being written well before #2 temple was destroyed.
 Before AD70.







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« Reply #15 on: Fri May 22, 2020 - 04:41:01 »
A standing temple was there in Revelation 11.  That's why you fools can't reconcile in the internal evidence in Revelation being written well before #2 temple was destroyed.
 Before AD70.

 Speaking of "fools"...

John was on Patmos, which had no temple of God's on it, so, obviously, the temple he was told to measure was in a vision & not the one in Jerusalem, whose measurements were known.

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« Reply #16 on: Sun May 24, 2020 - 15:46:40 »
Speaking of "fools"...

John was on Patmos, which had no temple of God's on it, so, obviously, the temple he was told to measure was in a vision & not the one in Jerusalem, whose measurements were known.
Rev.21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.

10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,


John was in the spirit. That's why you can't understand the prophecy.

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« Reply #17 on: Mon May 25, 2020 - 13:27:07 »
Rev.21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.

10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,


John was in the spirit. That's why you can't understand the prophecy.

Yes, and his vision's fulfillment is still future, of course.

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« Reply #18 on: Mon May 25, 2020 - 14:17:44 »
M'am, I shall write in any style I jolly well choose, & you may either like it or lump it as you desire.

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« Reply #19 on: Mon May 25, 2020 - 14:22:50 »
A standing temple was there in Revelation 11.  That's why you fools can't reconcile in the internal evidence in Revelation being written well before #2 temple was destroyed.
 Before AD70.

Not the same temple.

But what will you call it when another temple is rebuilt as prophesied.

They are getting ready. They are getting ready because of their understanding of their religious writings.

What then.

You gonna say it will make for lovely weddings?

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« Reply #20 on: Mon May 25, 2020 - 14:33:37 »
 
Yes, and his vision's fulfillment is still future, of course.

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« Reply #21 on: Mon May 25, 2020 - 15:27:11 »
  The Jews have all the material ready to build a new temple. They have the "blueprint" of the previous ones to guide them. They're breeding the animals to be used in temple rites, having already bred a supply of red heifers. They have all the instruments made. And they recently consecrated an altar to be placed in it. They will swiftly build it within a few days.

  Now, how they're gonna come by the fire God kindled in the tabernacle long ago, I don't know, but some clever priest will come up with a solution when the time comes.

  The Jews don't wanna start a huge war with Moslems, so they'll wait til the timing is right. One thing not everyone knows is that some professors from Hebrew University, illegally exploring some of the tunnels underneath the Dome of the Rock, found that the Dome is NOT built on the old temple site. it might be a little farther away than first believed. Jewish researchers are diligently trying to find its exact site. While police are preventing any more illegal exploration underneath the Dome, there are many other places where clues may be found without going into Islamic territory.

  It won't REALLY be a "temple of God" since JESUS won't be worshipped in it, but the world will view it as such. it'll be the place where the antichrist will commit the "abomination of desolation".

  When this temple is built, it'll be a huge gut punch for prets, but they'll make more excuses, as all purveyors of bunk do. Most won't abandon their false doctrine, even when faced with such overwhelming evidence against it.

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« Reply #22 on: Wed May 27, 2020 - 18:45:16 »

If they try to build another Temple- God will curse it again!

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« Reply #23 on: Thu May 28, 2020 - 05:08:09 »
If they try to build another Temple- God will curse it again!

 Maybe so, as it won't be a REAL temple of God, as JESUS won't be worshipped in it, but the world will view it as a temple of God, & the antichrist will commit the AOD in it.

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« Reply #24 on: Thu May 28, 2020 - 07:30:50 »
Maybe so, as it won't be a REAL temple of God, as JESUS won't be worshipped in it, but the world will view it as a temple of God, & the antichrist will commit the AOD in it.

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« Reply #25 on: Fri May 29, 2020 - 14:17:19 »
Please remember to do your own diligent research on doctrines/prophecies that God has given us. Make sure everything lines up with what God has revealed to you. I may be wrong and do not want anyone to believe something as not %100 true, so please do your further research of your own and let God teach you.

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« Reply #26 on: Fri May 29, 2020 - 14:44:03 »
Maybe so, as it won't be a REAL temple of God, as JESUS won't be worshipped in it, but the world will view it as a temple of God, & the antichrist will commit the AOD in it.

And  if they do a beautiful mosaic floor (as I had posted this elsewhere, https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/ancient-cultures/ancient-israel/jewish-worship-pagan-symbols/) with zodiac symbols the AOD seems a certainty.

The thing is. They will believe it is to God. And is honoring God.

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« Reply #27 on: Fri May 29, 2020 - 17:05:04 »
Please remember to do your own diligent research on doctrines/prophecies that God has given us. Make sure everything lines up with what God has revealed to you. I may be wrong and do not want anyone to believe something as not %100 true, so please do your further research of your own and let God teach you.

  Correct, & we must remember to consider ALL Scripture, not just Revelation when working to understand the eschatological prophecies. Some are scattered thruout Scripture.

  And learning history helps. That's why I ask preterists to show us irrefutable documented history for the prophesied events they CLAIM have already happened. So far, they're batting ZERO.

  To try to fill those gaps between their doctrine & reality, many prets mtry to reduce  "inconvenient" Scriptures to "figurative/symbolic" status. Sorry, Sportzz Fanzz, it doesn't work that way !

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« Reply #28 on: Sat May 30, 2020 - 20:05:30 »

You're just jealous because you have no talents!

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« Reply #29 on: Sun May 31, 2020 - 05:40:04 »
You're just jealous because you have no talents!

  You have no idea what I have or don't have. But it's easy to see some things YOU don't have, and one is the belief of God's word.

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« Reply #30 on: Sun May 31, 2020 - 13:12:15 »
  You have no idea what I have or don't have. But it's easy to see some things YOU don't have, and one is the belief of God's word.

All can see the fruit of the Spirit that you don't have!

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« Reply #31 on: Sun May 31, 2020 - 13:31:42 »
All can see the fruit of the Spirit that you don't have!

  This is a free nation; say what you want, even though it's a pack of lies. I spent 4 years in the USN defending your right to lie, & serve any apostate religious doctrine you wanna serve.

  But I, & the others here, have the right to not believe you, which most of us don't.

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« Reply #32 on: Sun May 31, 2020 - 15:39:44 »
  This is a free nation; say what you want, even though it's a pack of lies. I spent 4 years in the USN defending your right to lie, & serve any apostate religious doctrine you wanna serve.

  But I, & the others here, have the right to not believe you, which most of us don't.

You stopped defending the country a long time ago pal. You were probably in it for the benefits anyway.
 You can't fool me.
 My father was in WW2 Navy as the Japs burned/sunk their carrier and 20 or so men went into the water. He was of only a handful rescued. He had to watch his comrades be torn apart by sharks.

That's who I have respect for.  You on the other hand just want recognition for "being in the military" out loud on forums!

What's the difference? You have no humility.

You should try it. People would like you better!


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« Reply #33 on: Sun May 31, 2020 - 16:58:22 »
You stopped defending the country a long time ago pal. You were probably in it for the benefits anyway.
 You can't fool me.
 My father was in WW2 Navy as the Japs burned/sunk their carrier and 20 or so men went into the water. He was of only a handful rescued. He had to watch his comrades be torn apart by sharks.

That's who I have respect for.  You on the other hand just want recognition for "being in the military" out loud on forums!

What's the difference? You have no humility.

You should try it. People would like you better!

 Know what "You're full of baloney" means ?

  My dad was in the ETO in WW2, first as a tail gunner in a B-17, then, as a Quartermaster.

  Like him, I had no choice of when I was born, & what war occurred when I turned 18. (Vietnam)

  I served, same as your dad & mine. We all did different things. (I was a Corpsman.)

  But none of this has nothing to do with your posting garbage which you can't prove. Since you can't prove your quackery, you try to turn the readership's attention from that fact by posting what a jabroney you think I am, hoping the readers will overlook your lack of evidence & proof for your pret junk.

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« Reply #34 on: Sun May 31, 2020 - 18:35:59 »
There will never be another Jewish temple.  Most Christians believe that Christ was the forever ultimate sacrifice of Himself.  Thus,  NO Christian should be looking to the Jewish "LAW" ever again for salvation (forgiveness of sins).

Why do you insist that any Christian would be looking to Jewish law for salvation?

You are very misguided.

Jewish law has nothing to do with the "I am the way,the truth and the life"

Jewish law has nothing to do with "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:"

Jewish law has nothing to do with Matt 24:

 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you

For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. ( ie destruction of the temple in 70 AD)

For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

All these are the beginning of sorrows

Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many

 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

IN 70AD, THE GOSPEL WAS PREACHED BUT NOT TO ALL NATIONS IN ALL THE WORLD. Donotmake the mistake of assuming that a localized world waswhat was meant. If so, Jesus would have simply said And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached for a witness unto all nations.

He did not.He added in all the world.




 

     
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